Why Do Newcastle United and Sunderland FC Hate Each Other? | History of the Tyne & Wear Derby 

Calling the English Civil War the first Tyne-Wear Derby is hysterical, I love it Hilbert

I can’t believe the level of lore that exists behind sports teams’ rivalries.

I'm a Geordie and Toon Supporter, and our derby is solely with Sunderland, not Middlesbrough. The reason being I don't know any Middlesbrough supporters and if we win or lose a match it's just another result. However, I know lots of Mackems and if we lose a Tyne-Wear derby my life is a living hell for at least six months as they NEVER let me forget it. That's what makes a derby special, the fact that fans of both teams live and work in close proximity.

Never did I expect to hear Uncle Buzzcocks in a history video. Fair play Hilbert lad

The largest string of back-to-back victories is actually 6 by Sunderland between 2013 and 2015.

I am a Newcastle United fan from Kansas City, MO USA. Been supporting the toon since 2002!

Only lived in Newcastle for a year, but the geordies will always have a special place in my heart. Great bunch of ppl and i hope the club will finally start winning a few trophies for all the good ppl there.

Great video mate, most people look at Newcastle Sunderland as another local derby but it goes way beyond football it’s all our history behind it

I'm from Nottinghamshire and went to School with kids who were transplants from the NE ,Their parents came down South to work the Coal mines .I had one best mate with ties to Newcastle and one with Sunderland and was lucky enough to go to several of both teams away games down in the midlands and stand with there fans in the away section, Villa Park, the City Ground, Meadow lane and the baseball ground. And there's nothing like it in football,both sets of fans incredible you will never get a better support anywhere in football, god bless them both

You forgot to mention SAFC winning the last 6 matches. I smell gravy.

Great video and history lesson. Really shows how deep this regional rivalry goes!

Great stuff, my family moved to just outside Hexham when I was a child, the football fanaticism there was incredible, all the lads were Newcastle fans except for one, he was the only Sunderland fan in the area.

Sunderland have the record for most consecutive wins, 6 in a row and haven't been beaten in the last 9

Geordie, born in Wallsend but lived most of my life in Valencia, Spain . Here the main rivalry is between Valencia and Barcelona, like the British and the Americans, they are divided by common language. the rivalry between these two great Northern cities certainly goes beyond football! Thanks for your channel and making the North proud with your insights and knowledge.

Unfortunately, for us Sunderland fans, we do have to accept that Newcastle have had an incredible season. Sunderland will return to the PL - ha'way the lads!

Absolutely brilliant, love this type of history and how it shaped sports.

My Dad is 87 born in Newcastle and went to his 1st Toon match with his older brother aged 11 in 1947. He remembers being handed down to the front over the heads of the crowd so he cud see.He said back then a lot of people went to Toon match one week, Sunderland match the next as u supported all ya local teams. He didn't understand where all the rivalry came from

My two cents: I grew up in the east Durham coalfield in the Sixties/early Seventies. My brother took me to Roker Park and Hartlepool Utd for the footie. I can honestly say that I never heard the word Mackem in all the time I was there even though my brother was a mad-keen SAFC fan (still is). My dad and family spoke what we called Geordie (with a bit of Pitmatic thrown in). I think it's a post-1980s (I was long gone by then) derivation amplifying earlier written sources.

American newcastle fan for the last 15 years and I appreciate the video. This rivalry runs deep even overseas in the states there have been fights back when they were both in top flight

You failed to mention that between 2012 and 2016 Sunderland beat Newcastle 6 games in a row!

Interesting thanks. A point missed in more recent history, until the county boundaries were changed, in the late 1970’s if I remember correctly, Gateshead, south of the Tyne, was in County Durham, along with Sunderland. Newcastle was in Northumberland, north of the Tyne. There were a lot of Sunderland supporters in Gateshead. Though geographically closer to Newcastle it was a different county. The ‘county’ of Tyne & Wear did not exist until then. Consequently, a lot of people born after that time, living south of the Tyne, affiliate more closely with Newcastle than Sunderland. Both my parents were born in Gateshead & supported Sunderland. A small point perhaps, but I think an important one. Enjoyed the video though, thanks

Excellent explanation. Very well presented too

I grew up in Sunderland in the 60s, at that point we all called ourselves Geordies. The only time I heard the term Mackem was when my family in Co Durham called me that to insult me. Personally, I’m an NE patriot, yes I prefer Sunderland but I want Newcastle to do well. The “enemy” are south of the Tees. 😅

Great video! Very interesting. 👍🏻

Thank you subbed now . Very good . Learnt a lot today . Thank you

Never expected to not only see this, but also to get bonus Jacob Murphy and Uncle Buzzcocks spitting facts from horseback. Love it.

This was brilliant. Could you do one about the Sheffield Derby? Or maybe a history of Sheffield from the lens of football 😵‍💫

Great video. Much thanks.

The intensity on and off the pitch is unrivalled anywhere ,come the day of a Tyne and wear derby.. For that day it's all out war, for the bragging rights.. At the present time the gulf between 5under1and and Newcastle United in terms of talent on the pitch is worlds apart...🏁

makem and takem comes from the way people from sunderland talk

fascinating vid… could you look at the longstanding rivalry between the clapville specialists & blackbridge burnt ones?

As a Bristol Rovers fan, I think this is one of the top three in England

Referring to Sunderland and Newcastle being involved in a war in the 1600s as the first Tyne and Wear derby was enough to spill my tea lmao

Thanks for covering the little know background behind this.

You made this in PowerPoint!? Thats class mate its got brilliant production value!

I'm Uruguayan and my team is Peñarol. It was created by a British railroad company in 1891 as a cricket team and eventually began playing football matches eith the raileoad workers. Ita first rival was Albio FC (now associated worh Nacional's academy) which was a first football club in the country. When Albion became weak as true amateurism was coming to an end an 1899 team called Nacional rose to take its place and was primarily a team of university students ardent supporters of the nationalist movement going on at the time. It was a born as plebes vs burgoise derby 123 years ago and have played 561 games against eachother and its still as fierce as ever. Both teams have won 101 editions of the 121 championships so far. Furthermore, both teams have won multiple official international cups ( 8 cups each) including 3 world titles each.

Great great video ❤

we have the largest in Tyne and wear back to back with 6 wins in a row. Also we actually haven't played each other since the season before the one you mentioned as newcastle were relegated first in 2015/16, they then replaced us as we went down. And we have the record attendance in a tyne wear derby with 68,000 so not sure where you got 120k at st james from lol

Great video, it's really nice to learn the history between the two city beyond football. as Newcastle fan in Asia who love history I'm glad I stumble upon your channel

Before we were called Mackem we were known as Geordie's. I understand this was down to Newcastle's and County Durham's pits using the Stephenson Lamps.

A Geordie Here! Howay the lads!

The real reason for the hate is that Charles 1 denied the right to ship coal from Sunderland. Which led to poverty and extreme disenchantment

Fascinating! Never knew the term Jamie before!

Newcastle fan and wish all the north east teams all the best as the legend Bobby Robson said

Think you might need to check your stats Sunderland hold the record for consecutive wins with 6in a row

Geordie (Gateshead lad myself too) great video mate keep up the great work recent vids have been mint. But I've got a question for you mate, have you ever seen a Makem in Milan?

On the Gateshead/Newcastle rivalry part, I'd point out that, as someone from Heed, everyone classes themselves as a geordie anyways. Dunno how much weight that holds historically, but it's worth mentioning.

could you do a video on the origin of football club badges, some interesting iconography on badges of english clubs like the red devil of Man U, Liverbird, Everton's tower. As an AFC Wimbledon fan i would love you to cover my club's badge which has an interesting origin if you look into it, think the topic fits in well with the channel as there are some cool historical talking points looking at club badges.

Ere that Braveheart edit with the buzzcocks on as he’s talking has absolutely killed is off hahahahaha liked n subbed

As an American it’s hard to fathom a sports rivalry so old and intertwined with history. The closest things we have over here are probably the baseball rivalries of the east coast metropolitan areas, specifically New York, Boston and Philadelphia which go back to the late 19th century.

What a biased video. There was never a recorded 130,000 attendance at that match in the 1900s at St James' as newcastles highest recorded attendance is 68,000. You also mentioned something about the 5 beatings newcastle gave us. But went straight on to our relegation in 2017 but no mention of the 6 beatings we gave newcastle and the 9 unbeaten we went from 2011 until present.. Also the comment about scoring 5 goals against Spurs and thinking you'd do it against Sunderland was a bit cheeky as well 😂 But the history bit was pretty spot on. The battle of Boldon Hill happened (I'm from Boldon myself)

Me personally, for a few reasons I'm neither. I live close enough to Newcastle that I'm well inside their umbrella and there are Newcastle fans EVERYWHERE. One thing I did find interesting is Sunderland's history with ships. So I definitely need to go over and have further in depth look into that. I know Newcastle's history with ships quite well. The Elswick yards and the various warships and other vessels that they build. Oh and the massive betrayal of our government in the 1970s and 80s which one of the reasons why we absolutely HATE our government and I wouldn't be surprised if Sunderland shares that opinion as well.

Really nice video. I love this history summaries between rivalries. And what better than the north east derby! Great work. I'd like to point out an inaccuracy. Sunderland's most consectutive wins against newcastle was 6. As for other points, they aren't as clear cut. Sunderland at one stage became the biggest ship building town (before Sunderland became a city) in the world. However, it could still be argued that Newcastle were the bigger ship building port out of the two, I can't find enough information to have a more conclusive answer. Furthermore, "We mak'em, they tak'em" seems to be a bit more muddled and is debated. I'm led to believe it meant Sunderland made the ships, then newcastle used them for their export (possibly in the late Victorian era though.)

The main problem for mackems is that bad smells always carry downwind. The soap dodgers live 11 miles north of us!

Great video thanks for making it

5 in a row.......what about 6 in a row!!

Sheffield Wednesday VS Sheffield United would be a good one, there's some very interesting history between the two clubs, as well as a lot of footballing history overall

Big history fan as well as a mackem. I knew about the historical rivalry. Although Jamie is new to me.

This would be a fun series. Like the relatively unknown but honestly fiercest rivalry. Like everyone knows el Classico and the old firm etc but like the history behind wolves west brom or st Pauli hsv

At University years ago, I shared a house with a girl from Sunderland - she & her brother used to post "FTM" ('F**k The Mags') stickers everywhere 😊

Hello Hilbert. I watched this a couple of weeks back. It seemed like mackem and tackem down off RU-vid. My native Bradford City's only FA Cup win was 1911 against Newcastle, when Bradford was still prosperous enough for the FA Cup to have been remade there that year. They were originally a Rugby League team, called Manningham, who won the first RL championship and were named after the area I grew up. They recently lost in the playoffs of the fourth English division to Carlisle United, a northern club which you failed to mention, but who were briefly a first division team when I was a kid. City's local rivals went out of the league at that time in 1970s, that being Bradford (Park Avenue). They are potentially the only team with brackets in the name, their location having been added to distinguish them from City. Bradford City's claret and amber Manningham colours were copied by Motherwell in Scotland and Harry Potter. Park Avenue adopted green and white after a player from Celtic came to the club. Their other colours are black, amber and red of Bradford, like Bradford's remaining RL team, who were known for most of their history as Northern, after the Northern RL, their Odsal stadium, being in South Bradford, having nothing to do with it. However, it was the site of the biggest RL crowd for many years at over 100,000 for a Challenge Cup final replay. Of the football teams you named, Middlesbrough are a Yorkshire club, so I would always pick them in a derby match. For a video on what it is like at such games, here and in Europe, see StuntPegg channel. For local Civil War and RL see Catherine Warr channel.

20 minute video and no mention of the 6 in a row saga. The man punched a horse

10/10 on the buzzcocks reference

would be very interesting to see a brit tackle the whole "dictator's club" thing from portugal. good vid!

12 miles isn’t far enough in my opinion hahahahahah great to see this video mate

My Dad told me that because Newcastle UTD player at home one week( Sunderland away) and the next week Sunderland were at home ( Newcastle away) that supporters would visit both St James's and Roker Park. The rivalry is very tongue in cheek, but expected after a bad result. There is not workplace by in the North-East which doesn't have a mix of supporters.

Wasn't expecting this from history with Hubert, rate it]

It would be cool to see a video on the rivalry between Manchester and Liverpool (as a ManU fan lol)

Im from Gateshead and it was very nice and odd to hear my area get a mention so cheers Hilbert

i from manchester area and yes the newcastle v sunderland rivalry is well known. i suspect it is in most places

The City of Sunderland (/ˈsʌndərlənd/) is a metropolitan borough with city status in the metropolitan county of Tyne and Wear, North East England.

As a bairn there seemed to be a strong dislike of Newcastle in Sunderland, but now the 2 seem to be more friendly. Maybe because its been a while since a derby has been on, maybe due to a decrease in the hooliganism, but the rivalry seems less intense now

I did not expect history with Hillbert to make a video about this, personally i love Newcastle United, its my favourite english team.

Love to see Norwich Vs Ipswich one? It's like the longest distance between a local derby

Back in the sixties there was more banter ( name call ling ) and some fighting but over the years it's got worse, gang fights turned into ordinary supporters been attacked.

Spent 5 years growing up in Whitley Bay just north of Newcastle. The Sunderland game was a massive deal for my class mates. I stuck with my team Rotherham.

It was granted city status in 1992, the Ruby Jubilee of Queen Elizabeth II's accession to the throne. The borough had a population of 275,400 at the time of the 2011 census, with the majority of the population (174,286) residing in Sunderland.[2]

Spurs fan here. I always tell folks who are only slightly, or not at all, familiar w/ English football and its rivalries, if you can't watch a Spurs-Arsenal match, then watch a Tyne-Wear derby match. Sheer madness, intensity through the roof and tons of fun for a neutral guaranteed. Too damn bad there won't be another one for at least a year or two.

You had requested ideas on other rivalry/derby videos. I was on a football trip a few years ago watching matches in the Blackburn, Preston and Bolton area in England and was surprised by the fact everyone seemed to hate Burnley. I've always wondered why has Burnley drawn the ire of so many?

I’m from sunderland and i love this mate! But the thing is, didn’t we not make them and the mags took em out to be fitted?

At this precise moment the Toon aren't even the biggest club in the North East,check out league titles won(equivalent to winning the Premier League)Forever in our shadow Toon.HWTL.

West Ham v Millwall might be an interesting topic to discuss

I went to a Leicester City v Sunderland match, both in the Championship then, Newcastle were in the Premiership. A typically boisterous group of Sunderland fans arrived in the pub pre-match, they got on fine with the Leicester fans, and they mainly sung rude songs about Alan Shearer.

Coventry City, our rivalries always feel forced because it depends on who we're in the same division as at any given time. It's usually Villa or Leicester but at our worst it was Walsall

Sheffield Wednesday v Sheffield United is just 4milles apart in Englands 4th largest city of Sheffield There is a real hatred between the fans, which often goes into violence and serious disorder when they play each other

Hilbert, further to previous comment, you may have seen Carlisle United won their playoff game at Wembley to get promoted to the third English division.

I live in Newcastle and I wonder if Jamie mightve been Jammie? A slang term. Interesting video thankyou.

Heated rivalry and yes hatred, but, its also good to point out that both clubs supporters have set aside all that in the face of tragedy. Sunderland fans raise thousand for the two Newcastle fans killed in the MH17 disaster. The floral tributes outside ST James park were a mixture of both teams colours and shirts, it was touching to see.

You should Darlo versus Hartlepool (Monkey hanging bastards) next

This is absolutely total nonsense…it doesn’t take in to account the shared hardship that brought the whole of the north east together……honestly its the hooligans who created this .. and you giving it credence with ridiculous historical simplifications is a joke ..I worked in a factory alongside Many FRIENDS from Sunderland for over 40 years ..there is no hatred amongst the majority..just friendly banter…

Wonder if it wasn't Jamie as in James, but Jamie pronouced as Jammy as in a jam sandwitch, which if was the mostly used Strawberry jam, it would have been Red & White like the Sunderland colours?? Just a thought.

I think in the next few years once Sunderland get back into the prem both us and Newcastle will be top 10 staples and the derby will only increase in popularity which is good for the area

NEWCASTLE!!!! am thrilled for the first time in my adult life to be a fan! HOWAY THE LADS

Newcastle utd fan from hartlepool 45 mile down the road been a fan for 36 years am 43 now

It is my understanding that it goes we makem takem and brakem as a reference to the building and dismantlers or breakers of ships. In layman’s terms they make them take them and break them. It was through this saying they get called makems.

Geordie boy hear great video mate not alot of people know how far back the hate between the toon nd Sunderland goes good work

Imagine beating someone to the point of permanent brain damage over a football rivalry...

Hilbert: "George the first who came to the throne after William of Orange and his wife Queen Mary died..." Queen Anne: "I am a joke to you?"

Didn't expect this topic from an already class history account, UTM ⚫️⚪️

How come you didn’t include Sunderland’s 6 in a row 2013-15?