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Super Mario Odyssey - It's No Masterpiece 

Joseph Anderson
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@JosephAndersonChannel
@JosephAndersonChannel 6 лет назад
Thanks for watching! I'll be streaming most of today if you want to stop by and ask any questions about the new video. You can find me here: www.twitch.tv/andersonjph This video took forever. Nier Automata was meant to be next but after playing Odyssey I decided I had enough to say about it that I should go for that next. The video was meant to be 45 minutes. You saw how that turned out. I realize parts of this may seem a bit excessive but it was important to prove my points. Most of what has been said about this game so far has had little evidence to support it--on the moon side of things. The movement system has had some good discussions already. Here are some more links. This video will likely get copyright claimed by Nintendo but that's okay. Patreon is doing well enough to support videos like this one now. And check out HeavyEyed's channel if you're looking for some more content. He's under 10k subs while I'm writing this. I hope he gets above that. ru-vid.com www.patreon.com/JosephAnderson twitter.com/jph_anderson discord.gg/8gSBsYC
@MasterRoyalSnow
@MasterRoyalSnow 6 лет назад
Joseph Anderson that 4:45 tho 😏👌🏻
@Toastrz
@Toastrz 6 лет назад
Looking forward to the next Nintendo video where they copyright claim it after you finish writing the first paragraph in your script.
@TheVeriOra
@TheVeriOra 6 лет назад
Joseph Anderson I saw that YES, you can't deny it
@intheairex
@intheairex 6 лет назад
Makes video on Odyssey and free DLC is released immediately after... Patience is a virtue
@MasterRoyalSnow
@MasterRoyalSnow 6 лет назад
My jaw literally dropped when you said Mushrom Kingdom wasn't the 1st world.... you're brilliant dude
@arthurperalta4097
@arthurperalta4097 2 года назад
Bringing up Chris Pratt in a Mario video. This man was ahead of his time.
@MegaZeta
@MegaZeta 2 года назад
Not just timing but breadth... I suspect more and more people will begin to question the current publisher-favoring _(not_ developer-favoring) definition of _"Is this single-player game worth full price?"_ as _"How many hours does it take to 'complete' the game in various ways?"_
@ros9764
@ros9764 2 года назад
@@MegaZeta What
@dawoodshah6460
@dawoodshah6460 2 года назад
he's not dead
@mattdrummond3552
@mattdrummond3552 2 года назад
@@ros9764 his comment actually made perfect sense and was well written
@ros9764
@ros9764 2 года назад
@@mattdrummond3552 It did, but what did it have to do with the comment itself? I feel like this should have been its own comment instead of a reply
@Kerdon91
@Kerdon91 6 лет назад
I must point out a severe flaw in your critique. 1:41:15 - The Kooper is not throwing hammers but pans.
@Pumperknuckle
@Pumperknuckle 6 лет назад
Kerdon91 absolutely dismantled him. Hats off to you
@whotoldyouthisurl
@whotoldyouthisurl 6 лет назад
ok, everyone head on back home, this video has lost its point, nothing to see here anymore
@Good_Praxis
@Good_Praxis 6 лет назад
I have lost all respect for Joseph, I now see him for who he really is.
@Starzoh
@Starzoh 6 лет назад
Kerdon91 You're doing God's work good job
@reganblasphamous7642
@reganblasphamous7642 6 лет назад
This deserves a moon
@brovideogaming9447
@brovideogaming9447 Год назад
You were so dead on about the Mushroom Kingdom thing, you almost gaslighted me into thinking it was actually the start, since I have not played Odyssey for years
@Wario_Guy
@Wario_Guy Год назад
Yeah that kind of sucked… I wish it was harder, and it’s probably the worst “real” kingdom.
@friendofp.24
@friendofp.24 11 месяцев назад
Same here, and goes to show how mediocre this game really is. As someone who is completely unbiased towards Mario, who's literally never completed a Mario game before Odyssey, I can say that there were rare truly enjoyable moments (mostly in the Metro Kingdom) and everything else gave either a lukewarm sense of enjoyment or outright cold.
@idlegameplayer3756
@idlegameplayer3756 2 месяца назад
i was like "huh i don't remember starting in mushroom kingdom"
@frozentanukii
@frozentanukii Месяц назад
I thought that maybe since I had played the game a while after release, the original version of the game started you in the Mushroom Kingdom and they changed it in later versions for some reason. But nope, it's just nintendo game design
@shrimpshufflr7745
@shrimpshufflr7745 21 день назад
@@friendofp.24 loud and WRONG
@jacklloyd4376
@jacklloyd4376 Год назад
is it just me that thinks its fucking hilarious that lady goombas will just fall in love with the first goomba to cross her direct eyesight
@TranslationHell
@TranslationHell Год назад
hard proof that mario is a male power fantasy
@mashedboiledfried
@mashedboiledfried Год назад
It's just you. I could go on a 10 hour long video about the societal norms of the Goombas, but I'll save you the time and just tell you straight up that the Goombette (lady Goomba) actually falls in love with the moustachioed Goomba wearing a red cap. That's no ordinary Goomba, that's not like every fish-Goomba in the Goomba-ocean of the Mario Universe. That's the only Goomba in the history of Goombas to rock that style.
@jumentoqueanima
@jumentoqueanima 2 месяца назад
​@@mashedboiledfriedYesir.
@kestanecihasanpubg
@kestanecihasanpubg 2 месяца назад
wahmen
@Helperbot-2000
@Helperbot-2000 Месяц назад
@@TranslationHell truuuUUUUUUuuueee
@jacoblovegrove4653
@jacoblovegrove4653 2 года назад
That analogy about Chris Pratt is a bit stranger considering he literally is mario now
@SadMan-um8yw
@SadMan-um8yw 2 года назад
God's Plan
@michaelsoftbinbows7580
@michaelsoftbinbows7580 2 года назад
"It's a me, Mario. That's not the voice, you're gonna have to wait for that."
@stibba4286
@stibba4286 2 года назад
AHHAHAHAHAHA
@sergiolucas2781
@sergiolucas2781 2 года назад
He's so cool!
@Savariable
@Savariable 2 года назад
As I read this comment I reached that point in the video
@mrs_trains_6213
@mrs_trains_6213 3 года назад
"Can I pick the movie tonight?"
@rufex2001
@rufex2001 3 года назад
Comment of the year!
@fortnitesexman
@fortnitesexman 3 года назад
Mr_Trains_62 his witcher review is basically two movies lmao
@Cyrus_got_verified
@Cyrus_got_verified 3 года назад
Underrated comment
@dportillo1
@dportillo1 3 года назад
Unironically i watch these before going to bed or while doing stuff, helped with my english
@SandsBros
@SandsBros 3 года назад
"Nope, not after last time."
@GARGANTUANMASKEDFISH
@GARGANTUANMASKEDFISH 4 месяца назад
I just wanted to come back to this video to state that you successfully turned "It's No Masterpiece" into one of the most overused RU-vid video titles in existence. Congratulations on being the first.
@JosephAndersonChannel
@JosephAndersonChannel 4 месяца назад
I'm sorry.
@icecea
@icecea 2 месяца назад
@@JosephAndersonChannellmao
@jerryrikki9466
@jerryrikki9466 2 месяца назад
@@JosephAndersonChannel witcher 3?
@bimblor7945
@bimblor7945 2 месяца назад
@@jerryrikki9466 bad
@Tocaric2
@Tocaric2 Месяц назад
@@jerryrikki9466 read the comment under the Lies of P critique
@shaww8721
@shaww8721 2 года назад
9:00 - Camera / Movement 16:09 - Lack of depth 20:34 - Uninspired exploration / Design 28:03 - Possessions 34:15 - Target audience 37:19 - Mushroom Kingdom 43:42 - Filler moons 1:24:57 - Bosses 1:32:22 - Post-game 1:55:32 - Conclusion 1:57:38 - Outro
@blaykay-4797
@blaykay-4797 2 года назад
Wow you actually sat through that? damn son
@gamermapper
@gamermapper Год назад
Wow the moon part really took a long time...
@ihavetheworldssmallestdick4568
I see you copied my comment
@trikuxabi
@trikuxabi Год назад
@@gamermapper He complained about repetition repeatedly for 40 minutes... I wish it was a joke.
@bruh9806
@bruh9806 Год назад
You should make a timestamp that mentions Chris Pratt
@vickim1319
@vickim1319 6 лет назад
Don't you hate it when youtubers extend their videos by the ten minute mark
@Zock-
@Zock- 6 лет назад
Ren Hoek it’s a joke silly
@Wigsinator
@Wigsinator 6 лет назад
Like this: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nlUAI984L1U.html 95% of the point that Joseph makes, in 6:45.
@Swartgaming
@Swartgaming 6 лет назад
Yeah, I hate that! They just do it for the money
@tim3062
@tim3062 6 лет назад
witnessing your profile picture has been the pinnacle of my existence.
@yellobello1
@yellobello1 6 лет назад
how many upvotes did you get LUL
@froofris1474
@froofris1474 3 года назад
No game review is complete without mentioning Dark Souls in the first five minutes
@filurenerik1643
@filurenerik1643 3 года назад
Yes. Dark souls is an excellent game
@samgomez9942
@samgomez9942 3 года назад
Well to be fair, Dark Souls was a really successful game, and it definitely popularized some things in gaming.
@Keeperr574
@Keeperr574 3 года назад
Dark Souls, such a good game.
@friedbacon6236
@friedbacon6236 3 года назад
Ahh yes, Dark Souls, the game.
@Elvenlijk
@Elvenlijk 2 года назад
Lol I thought I'd seen everything and then someone calls out Dark Souls in a Mario game review. Wtf?
@twin_victim
@twin_victim 2 года назад
I remember feeling accomplished after getting every moon in every area before beating the game... and then I stopped playing when I realized that several more would be scattered about in the places I just spent hours inspecting. I didn't feel excitement at that point - just exhaustion. You really put that into words when you said that it feels like no previous exploration goes unpunished. Very well-thought criticisms.
@Buffalo93
@Buffalo93 Год назад
I suppose it best to speed run to the end and then come back, right?
@twin_victim
@twin_victim Год назад
@@Buffalo93 I suppose. But I really don't find that enjoyable, y'know? I like to take my time exploring and getting familiar with all the ins and outs of each area. It wasn't fun going back through all those areas (that I had just poured hours into) only to find that I now had more thrown onto my plate and must completely re-explore.
@joelsytairo6338
@joelsytairo6338 Год назад
That’s 100%ing any game lol. It’s not really ever gonna be fun and exciting like beating the game. Pretty much every mario game the 100% is boring but it is rewarding if you have the time for jf
@Armo_93
@Armo_93 Год назад
I actually found it awesome to have more stuff to do after beating the game. You don't have to do it, you can beat the game with 124 moons and stop there but for the completionists and big fans of the game it’s really fun.
@joelsytairo6338
@joelsytairo6338 Год назад
@@Armo_93 if you haven’t yet look up the secret Luigi sprites and hunt for those
@kblade08
@kblade08 2 года назад
That target audience segment was such an eye opener for me tbh.. I played odyssey and put it down way before I could finish it. It just didn't have the magic for me. My son, however, has beaten this game multiple times and will routinely return to it for another run through. You helped me understand WHY he was so obsessed.
@jacksyoutubechannel4045
@jacksyoutubechannel4045 Год назад
It feels like there's an additional, lost demographic, as well. I genuinely don't know how kids that are the age I was when I first started playing Mario games are supposed to be able to play this. Having _options_ for moving around the world, completing challenges, and fighting is one thing, but _having_ to do them (or do them a specific way) for the base game is another. And if a core Mario game can't be a starting place for young kids, where on earth are they supposed to start? Mario doesn't need to be made for very young children, but it should be possible to at least make some decent progress in the game with practice and repetition--they always managed it on the legacy consoles. (I know he was saying that the target demo for this _is_ a new generation of young fans, but I'm talking about a younger age range. I would say that the kids I knew and went to school, soccer, camp, etc., with either had an older sibling with a console and started playing Mario at around age five, or _were_ the older sibling. And in this game, there are certain things, like controlling Jaxi on bridges, that the average five-year-old simply does not have the motor skills execute.)
@Corrupted
@Corrupted Год назад
@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 Eh, when did we start playing SM64? I'd say around 8-11 - I don't think it's designed for under 7 year olds at all
@jacksyoutubechannel4045
@jacksyoutubechannel4045 Год назад
@@Corrupted My family definitely had 6 & 7 year olds playing the Christmas it came out. They definitely weren't beating it, but they were successfully playing levels, getting through the 30-Star Door, etc. ETA: Because it was the first 3D game, special movements (like those used in speedrunning) may have existed but weren't necessary for most things in the game, _and_ the game couldn't (and didn't) require a ton of finesse, so even the "slides" had pretty decent margins of error and Mario didn't respond super sensitively to controller inputs. Those are the things that I think of as insurmountable developmental barriers, things they just have to wait out, for most kids: requiring combination moves outside their processing capabilities and critical thinking, or requiring precision in movement that is outside their physical developmental stage.
@relaxn3918
@relaxn3918 Год назад
@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 the answer is quite simple; The internet. Most kids when they get lost or confused or don't know how to progress look up guides or videos on them. This way they continue. They also slightly adjust to the game more having these secrets here and there over time, allowing them to actually
@minnow1337
@minnow1337 Год назад
@@jacksyoutubechannel4045 The VR game gorilla tag has the most complicated movement I’ve ever experienced in a game and lobbies are full of 8 year olds bouncing around better than they can walk
@AudreyGalaxy
@AudreyGalaxy 3 года назад
you were so dedicated to the bit about mushroom kingdom that you had me actually questioning if i played the game wrong
@eligiguere8697
@eligiguere8697 2 года назад
Same I was so confused like what
@_eeeee_510
@_eeeee_510 2 года назад
You talking about it being the first? That had me confused too
@Phillyboi95
@Phillyboi95 2 года назад
Me too I was like naww did I miss something lol
@lyleinnoe2210
@lyleinnoe2210 2 года назад
So you cant think for yourself
@CrazyzzzDudezzz
@CrazyzzzDudezzz 2 года назад
@@lyleinnoe2210 that’s not how you use that expression
@dubiouswatermelon159
@dubiouswatermelon159 3 года назад
It would have been hilarious if at the end he said "with all of that being said this game is my favorite game of all time" as deadpanned as possible.
@jon-umber
@jon-umber 3 года назад
That would be such a classic RU-vid Video Game Critic Joseph Anderson Joke™ that I'm legitimately shocked he didn't actually do it.
@dubiouswatermelon159
@dubiouswatermelon159 3 года назад
@@jon-umber I know, right!
@suspiciousindividual2174
@suspiciousindividual2174 3 года назад
“It has a little something for everyone.”
@Hitherto90
@Hitherto90 3 года назад
Joseph knows nothing but deadpan.
@lordroy88
@lordroy88 2 года назад
That’s such a critic thing to do lol
@Schrodinger_
@Schrodinger_ 6 месяцев назад
This video was cathartic in expressing my frustration with the moons. I really enjoyed the Dark Side challenge rooms, and I really want to try the Darker Side. But I'm not collecting the remaining 200 fucking moons I need to do it. After running through 2 worlds already, I'm done with it. The best metaphor I can think of this is if I wanted to go rock climbing, and I wasn't allowed until I spent 3 hours playing hide and go seek with my 6 year old niece.
@grit1
@grit1 10 месяцев назад
What I think everybody needs to take away from this is "if an optional menial task has a chance to reward something, it now becomes required". Doing all these small things for a chance at a moon is now something encouraged thus mandatory if you want to complete the game.
@Konamiagent
@Konamiagent Месяц назад
I greatly enjoyed Mario odyssey without feeling the need to even grind for 500 moons.
@lospollosh
@lospollosh 4 года назад
You’re just jealous that you never had the world record for Bower’s Big Bean Burrito
@deadpoolmodelt-8009
@deadpoolmodelt-8009 4 года назад
And he did it blindfolded with a USB steering wheel while his brother was playing
@lukehahn4784
@lukehahn4784 4 года назад
Deadpool Model T-800 but his controller was lagging
@unlimited8410
@unlimited8410 4 года назад
@Gay Bowser So long
@GreatJinjonator
@GreatJinjonator 4 года назад
I actually really want to see what dunkey would have to say about Mr. Anderson's review. I always like the dunkviews because they always seem to be free of bias, but dunkey is a HUGE mario fan that praised this game for featuring so much mario nostlgia. Here, however, this mario fan counts it as a negative thing. Just goes to show how two people with similar tastes won't always agree. It also seems like dunkey only considered the main story line of the while Joseph included the loooong post game as part of the entire game.
@liluwuzivert1124
@liluwuzivert1124 4 года назад
Spelling Bowser wrong is the equivalent of spelling a thwomp as a “thomp”
@elcour
@elcour 4 года назад
Normal people: mario Joe, an intellectual: märio
@Quadraginta1337
@Quadraginta1337 4 года назад
Normal people: Brother. Me, an intellectual: Bröther.
@fernandoj8479
@fernandoj8479 4 года назад
@@Quadraginta1337 Lööp
@Quadraginta1337
@Quadraginta1337 4 года назад
@@fernandoj8479 sööp lööps
@shimizukebin
@shimizukebin 4 года назад
me: マリオ
@calebbaumtm1915
@calebbaumtm1915 4 года назад
Mærio
@matthewyacono1969
@matthewyacono1969 2 года назад
Ik this video is really old now but I really appreciate the amount of effort that went into it. Not only the intensive research but also the fact that you somehow made a feature film length video essay so engaging
@ArchibaldClumpy
@ArchibaldClumpy Год назад
Seriously the time in these videos flies by.
@toooydoeur
@toooydoeur Год назад
bro this guy is a clown
@wind2536
@wind2536 Год назад
@@toooydoeur I feel like by analyzing everything he sometimes misses the forest for the trees.
@cmonkey3698
@cmonkey3698 Год назад
Bro he didn't even show all of ruined kingdom, there is a whole sub area with extra platforming puzzles that gets unlocked after you beat the boss that he just acted like doesn't exist.
@awesomeguy268
@awesomeguy268 Год назад
@@cmonkey3698 He probably means on the surface it's small. Personally I wouldn't think sub areas like that one really count towards a kingdom's size, especially a sub area as small as the one in ruined kingdom.
@UniversalSketch
@UniversalSketch 2 года назад
People have probably said it hundreds of times by now but at 1:21:00 Mario looks at the right answer if you stop moving near the pipes, how would anyone figure this out naturally? Probably by failing 10 times in a row beforehand, so it's not impossible to do the first time but also it isn't designed in any way outside of that system that gives you the answer.
@JohnDoe-et5bq
@JohnDoe-et5bq 11 месяцев назад
so many games have the characters look at points of interest but this time its bad?
@bobbymcjoey9432
@bobbymcjoey9432 10 месяцев назад
​@@JohnDoe-et5bq No they fucking don't 💀. Name somes games that have the character looking at points of interest as the only clue for what you're supposed to do.
@xaf15001
@xaf15001 10 месяцев назад
@@JohnDoe-et5bq why would you stop moving in a platformer? and if I'm guessing and in my head looking for clues, why would I thought the clue would be on Mario, who just came here at the same time as me, and is mostly just my thoughtless avatar in the game world?
@roaringdino3000
@roaringdino3000 8 месяцев назад
@@bobbymcjoey9432 botw and totk
@highnoon7097
@highnoon7097 4 месяца назад
It's one of many examples of absolutely terrible game design. This just doesn't feel like a Nintendo game. It's like a third party game where they didn't have time to beta test and troubleshoot for flaws. A Ubisoft game then. They just threw a load of disjointed cack into a bin, spat in some hackneyed nostalgia and tried to serve it up as a Mario game. It's awful, genuinely one of the least pleasant game experiences I've ever had. The fucking useless joycon controller design didn't help things either. It shows how far Nintendo has gone from their own high standards when they churn out utter rubbish that is Odyssey and the Switch console in general. There's just abolutely no thought put into anything they release whether it's software or hardware.
@24FramesOfNick
@24FramesOfNick 6 лет назад
Okay but super Mario odyssey takes a lot from spongebob squarepants battle for bikini bottom and I stand by that premise
@chabbab6698
@chabbab6698 6 лет назад
24 Frames Of Nick the world 🌎 needs you to do a theory about this
@jaredwillebeek-lemair5298
@jaredwillebeek-lemair5298 6 лет назад
Im going back to play that game again thx
@jag3596
@jag3596 6 лет назад
boii this statement got my support
@Toastrz
@Toastrz 6 лет назад
I stand by Battle for Bikini Bottom being a legitimately solid 3D platformer. Sometimes nostalgia isn't blind after all.
@briancollins1296
@briancollins1296 6 лет назад
You speak truer than you know.
@GemSword347
@GemSword347 6 лет назад
Filler Moon is my favorite Sailor Moon character
@hicclesilly
@hicclesilly 6 лет назад
GemSword347 This comment made me feel better after realizing how stupid my favorite Mario game is, thank you
@SagesRS
@SagesRS 6 лет назад
Sounds like a bad porno
@runningoncylinders3829
@runningoncylinders3829 5 лет назад
Sounds like a bad inflation-based flash animation.
@cool_benji
@cool_benji Год назад
i saw so many challenge rooms in this video that i missed in my playthrough, even though those are by far the most interesting part of the game for me. which makes me realize a major issue with the game: unless you're a completionist, you're never incentivized to find the good stuff because you can easily get by without.
@aortaplatinum
@aortaplatinum Год назад
Agreed. I'm in the middle of 100%ing the game and this is my third time having simply finished it. So this time, since I knew about the moon rock Moons and knew I'd be combing every Kingdom in the post-game, I just didn't bother with much extra stuff and just beelined it to Honeylune Ridge with usually the least Moons needed to advance. And yeah, I was shocked how little there was on the main path. Just doing the required "story" Moons and some of the simple extra ones needed to go to the next Kingdom is only going to show you the very basic top layer of the game. It's a far cry from being able to skip a dozen Stars in 64 or even skip one or two full stages if you really hate them. Odyssey's structure and design is the exact opposite of Sunshine- "here's a few required collectibles and then just do whatever I guess"
@gsofficial
@gsofficial Год назад
The juxtaposition of such a bright, colorful, happy game with his unbridled rage make this video entertaining from start to finish.
@LiamPorterFilms
@LiamPorterFilms Год назад
Yeah, first it’s kinda obnoxious but it gets funnier the longer you watch.
@natemorin1416
@natemorin1416 3 года назад
Wow, typical of a “RU-vidr“ to always hit that 2:00:00 mark, smh...
@ess7573
@ess7573 3 года назад
ikr
@Spit823
@Spit823 3 года назад
And still doesn’t have ads until 1 hour in. What a legend
@fredrikgranstrom6743
@fredrikgranstrom6743 3 года назад
doing anything to push it beyond that 10 minute line
@Hitherto90
@Hitherto90 3 года назад
Obscene.
@pileofsand8756
@pileofsand8756 3 года назад
Only for the views, disgusting /s
@joyit6062
@joyit6062 5 лет назад
The part where you said mushroom Kingdom was early was hilarious I was completely fooled into thinking it was early game
@Gaming_Amateur
@Gaming_Amateur 4 года назад
I was literally questioning my memory of the game. Then I realized what he was doing.
@deonteharris4089
@deonteharris4089 4 года назад
Joyit I thought the game just got updated because I only played through it once
@joyit6062
@joyit6062 4 года назад
@@AC-qu9ng I didn't buy a switch until recently and I didn't know which games to buy with it. Tbh there's not much that I hadn't seen in parts from other stuff and I was interested in someone's opinion that didn't like such a popular game. I admit it was a kinda weird decision tho hah
@notmyfirst
@notmyfirst 4 года назад
@@AC-qu9ng What is there to be spoiled? Mario games are purely about the gameplay and watching someone critique it won't ruin it
@somnia3423
@somnia3423 4 года назад
@@joyit6062 damm and now they will release an switch 2.0 with double the battery life, i feel bad for you
@aesynk3537
@aesynk3537 2 года назад
Honestly, even after all this time, I have to say I enjoyed this game a lot. But this video is a good perspective on why many people don’t like it the way I do.
@leeartlee915
@leeartlee915 Год назад
I find this fascinating. So it sounds like you acknowledge (or at least recognize how others could see this game) but still like it a lot. How is that possible? Is that you disagree with the criticisms? That, despite the issues, you still enjoy exploring the worlds? For me, I found the worlds really cool, Mario’s move set incredible, and (at first) the possessions really neat. But it didn’t take long for the bad moons to start tainting the entire experience for me. Like for every “good” moon, there were 3-5 not great moons, followed up by a few “wtf” moons. I’m very very curious what your thoughts are.
@Jewce24
@Jewce24 Год назад
@@leeartlee915 I’m currently trying to 100% the game and the thing that keeps me coming back is the movement and traversal options for Mario and Cappy. If not for the movement I would’ve dropped the game a long time ago.
@leeartlee915
@leeartlee915 Год назад
@@Jewce24 lol, talking about butting into a conversation. Aren’t you already bitchin’ at me in your original post about how “I haven’t played the game in 5 years”? Apparently that’s bullshit as you’re playing it right now.
@aesynk3537
@aesynk3537 Год назад
@@leeartlee915Hey! I’m a bit late responding to you here 😄 Mario Odyssey is a good game. A great game, even. Even after you beat it, there’s still so much things to do, the worlds are well thought out and its style is really reminiscent of Mario Galaxy and Mario 64. The soundtrack (while it’s not the best if we compare it to older Mario games) is delightful to me and to be honest, I’m glad that was the first game I played on switch! Mario Odyssey is a colorful, nostalgic, gorgeous game, and while not being super hard, it’s fun. And that’s what makes it so cool. It wasn’t made to be a masterpiece, nor be the best super mario game, it was just made so you sit back and have fun. ❤️ I do have one or two negative points, but in no way it outweighs the excitement I had playing this game for the first time.
@leeartlee915
@leeartlee915 Год назад
@@aesynk3537 Hmmm, yeah, I could see that. I like how you framed that too. “It’s not the best Mario game but just meant to be fun”. I think if THAT was what I saw more frequently, I wouldn’t be so shocked by the general opinions on the game. But to see people call it the BEST Mario game EVER, yeah, that just blows my mind a little. Thanks for taking the time to reply. I appreciate it.
@reev9759
@reev9759 Год назад
"Your heart should sink so low that your thong should get heavy." That was the weirdest most out of place thing I've ever heard Joseph Anderson say in a video.
@verybored1261
@verybored1261 3 года назад
Just spent two hours watching a man say Mario in Canadian while talking at length about 800 moons in Mario. And I enjoyed it, too.
@captainraft2633
@captainraft2633 3 года назад
Here in the uk we crucify those who don’t say it “Canadian”
@tootz6697
@tootz6697 3 года назад
@@captainraft2633 Why thats the wrong way to say it😭
@machinaeZER0
@machinaeZER0 3 года назад
Definitely the most Maerios I've sat through in my lifetime, haha
@verybored1261
@verybored1261 3 года назад
@@captainraft2633 Lmao pin me up on that crucifix
@pepi7404
@pepi7404 3 года назад
Username checks out
@EdmacZ
@EdmacZ 4 года назад
Long story short summary of the video. The game’s biggest accomplishment is the control and movement, but the game doesn’t build around that and just tosses you into a playground where you get rewarded for doing the most basic rudimentary stuff. That would be fine, except every reward is the exact same. No matter what the challenge or goal. No unlockables, no extra modes, you just get the thing and move on. There are no lives, and thus no real punishment or danger, resulting in a game that is repetitive and a chore.
@lukehahn4784
@lukehahn4784 4 года назад
I don’t really feel that way about this game but I still enjoyed this review even though it was 2 hours long
@theotherbeatle707
@theotherbeatle707 4 года назад
Except buying hats
@lukehahn4784
@lukehahn4784 4 года назад
Martin Henebury Buying hats is the only reason this game isn’t a 0/10 because I can have Mario only in shorts in freezing weather.
@nimcie8377
@nimcie8377 4 года назад
EdmacZ I agree, the movement of that game is what makes up for it.
@marcelorockman
@marcelorockman 4 года назад
Getting lives in videogames lost all meaning since 10 years ago. There is no real punishment in getting a game over, just do it again. Losing coins here on the other side is a good punishment since you need them for hats, suits, collectibles and extra moons.
@StarchieHalo
@StarchieHalo Год назад
It's by no means a bad game but I was taken back by the absurd amount of moons in the game, especially with how many were just: break this rock, ground pound here, use this capture for 2 seconds, talk to this npc.
@tortoisewarrior4855
@tortoisewarrior4855 Год назад
This is why I am begging they don't release an Odyssey 2. 3D world and the galaxies were so much better in every way
@geno8742
@geno8742 Год назад
@@tortoisewarrior4855 um if they made odyssey 2 actually really good and creative level design, keeping the movement options or expanding upon it then it would be a masterpiece
@user-hb7hg2zh7n
@user-hb7hg2zh7n Год назад
To me that exact reason why it is a bad game, the content needs to be engaging enough to want to continue, there was no way I was doing all that obviously repetitive stuff, compared to other Mario games - Galaxy, 64, Sunshine in particular this is INCREDIBLY lazy
@JoeMama-yd1ve
@JoeMama-yd1ve Год назад
the moons felt like the "Collect ten direwolf pelts," of platformers. Just stupid busy-work, like no give me something to platform! I don't want just pointless, brain-dead tasks for the sake of completing tasks.
@josiahbaumgartner7643
@josiahbaumgartner7643 Год назад
@@JoeMama-yd1ve I want busywork in between my big quests 🤷🏻‍♂️ I like getting distracted by little 30 second detours
@absollnk
@absollnk Год назад
I spent 50 hours collecting every single moon in the game, and watching this footage, I barely remember any of it. This helped me a lot in pinpointing why odyssey was Just Pretty Good to me instead of the 10/10 it feels like everyone says it is
@ralphiecifaretto8961
@ralphiecifaretto8961 Год назад
Who told you to get every moon in the game? That's on you.
@absollnk
@absollnk Год назад
@@ralphiecifaretto8961 sorry I thought the big collectible count they were advertising would be fun and interesting as that's the standard expectation for a video game. Next time I'll go into a game to have no fun instead
@ralphiecifaretto8961
@ralphiecifaretto8961 Год назад
@@absollnk Why do you feel the need to get EVERYTHING when it's not needed to beat the game?
@absollnk
@absollnk Год назад
@@ralphiecifaretto8961 because I'm a completionist and I value getting the most out of every game I play
@ralphiecifaretto8961
@ralphiecifaretto8961 Год назад
@@absollnk That sounds like OCD to me.
@mayhoinville9687
@mayhoinville9687 5 лет назад
"Also, I'm sorry if that was tedious to go through for anyone who's already played the game already, but I figure if you have, then you're used to tedeum already and shouldn't be bothered by it." The salt is real and I absolutely love it
@HollowedEyeHounds
@HollowedEyeHounds 5 лет назад
Yet he loves and praises the god awful, tedious, uninspired, and blandly put together chalice dungeons in Bloodborne. Dude should get a clue.
@francomarrocu7430
@francomarrocu7430 5 лет назад
@@HollowedEyeHounds roasted
@mikado6407
@mikado6407 5 лет назад
@@HollowedEyeHounds bloodborne isnt perfect but i like the chalice dungeons Tldr: stfu
@marnsdnfois7006
@marnsdnfois7006 5 лет назад
@@HollowedEyeHounds What is: Opinions?
@lum26akua28
@lum26akua28 5 лет назад
@@HollowedEyeHounds You're comparing content that is extremely on the side...to the main content of another game. Like, please, if you take a second and think, you'll see why you're wrong.
@Kela1031
@Kela1031 4 года назад
I feel like you didn't focus enough on the moons in the game.
@gibbydoessniffy4463
@gibbydoessniffy4463 4 года назад
Kenny Larsen I agree too I think the moons are pretty fun and extremely creative
@natecortese1189
@natecortese1189 4 года назад
Yeah he only spent an hour and a half talking about them... how dare he
@MrSerpico145
@MrSerpico145 4 года назад
Yea, it's not like the game revolved around them or anything.
@sonicmeerkat
@sonicmeerkat 4 года назад
guys it's sarcasm, that's why the comment has hundreds of likes because it's poking fun at the focus of moons.
@natecortese1189
@natecortese1189 4 года назад
sonic meerkat yeah I realized that I’m just really stupid
@LordnuggetorxD
@LordnuggetorxD 2 года назад
Honestly, despite this video being controversial, I wholeheartedly agree. I personally found all of the game mechanics to be excellent but the challenges Odyssey makes you do are just so... tedious. You only spend about 1% of your playtime actually platforming, the rest is just whatever minigame they felt like adding in there.
@morbideddie
@morbideddie 2 года назад
In fairness I think exploration is worthwhile and a big apart of the appeal of older titles aswell and is one of oddesys strong points. The issue is that instead of side content like blue coins or Korok seeds exploring gets you heaps of mainline content making the actual challenges seem pointless.
@K3V01
@K3V01 2 месяца назад
Lordnuggetor has probably never tried superstar mode
@PenguinLord10
@PenguinLord10 2 года назад
Oh my god I thought the "look at a flying taxi" thing was a parody thought up by ProZD. That's an actual thing. Holy shit.
@fakenamerealchungus9851
@fakenamerealchungus9851 6 лет назад
But Joseph You can *be a goombas*
@yeahmike3847
@yeahmike3847 6 лет назад
Christopher Kanski YOU CAN BE A TREE
@NotQuiteHere
@NotQuiteHere 6 лет назад
You can be a tree.
@alexdetlas2661
@alexdetlas2661 6 лет назад
U CAN BE BOWSER! said enough...
@squibbdibb
@squibbdibb 6 лет назад
YOU CAN BE A GOD DAMN CACTUS!
@ArmoniteQL
@ArmoniteQL 6 лет назад
What if he already is?
@magna4227
@magna4227 5 лет назад
This video in a nutshell Merrio: *Breaths* YOU GOT A MOON *Angry Dragon sounds*
@spade3779
@spade3779 5 лет назад
Mario: *exists YOU GOT A MOON
@Username-1939t9
@Username-1939t9 5 лет назад
better not stop
@movedgunner1695
@movedgunner1695 4 года назад
did any of you even play Super Mario Odyssey?
@sontho6995
@sontho6995 4 года назад
@@movedgunner1695 I 100% Odyssey, and I didn't enjoy it playing as much as previous 3D mario games.
@coffeebrown9371
@coffeebrown9371 4 года назад
Ok this is a joke but to be honest there’s that many moons that I’m ok with it there’s still plenty where you need to use skill
@hueoskar4877
@hueoskar4877 Год назад
I can agree with most of your criticism. I played every 3D Mario and loved 64, 3D world and galaxy 2. But I still had the most amount of fun playing odessey. Most moons aren‘t unique and it‘s too easy most of the time. But for me the movement just fixed it all. Although there are 880 moons, grabbing them in „unintended“ ways with trick jumps was so fun! It really isn‘t a perfect game but for me the experience was great.
@rednidedni3875
@rednidedni3875 Год назад
The thing that killed it for me was that those trick jumps just were never necessary or really rewarded. You can do some really cool tricks and get to places in ways that feel unintended... but then you're still just collecting a moon you could have gotten the normal route, but slightly faster. It felt like wasted effort - why bother, when you don't get anything out of it? The game has all this movement and tech, and then it just refuses to ask you to use it. Perhaps it's on me coming to a kid's game looking for challenge
@EvilPapagali666
@EvilPapagali666 Год назад
@@rednidedni3875 You are right this is a kid game. The way they did it it was perfect. Easy for anyone but those who know how to play can do cooler and faster. Mario games are like that. The problem with this game is that there is no diference in the harder and the ridiculous gifted moons. Same problem with Zelda botw, lot of content but nothing seems unique besides the main story
@thatitalianlameguy2235
@thatitalianlameguy2235 Год назад
@@EvilPapagali666 except galaxy was also for kids and not this easy
@EvilPapagali666
@EvilPapagali666 Год назад
@@thatitalianlameguy2235 You absolute can defeat the final boss only doing the easier levels. Same with Mario 64 where you can defeat Bowser with 70 stars and isnt that hard to get that number, but to get the 120 you need to pass some challenges. Galaxy have some reused levels with timer or only 1 bar life that is harder, but to pass planet to planet colecting only the necessary to proced? Not hard at all. But yes, Odissey is a bit easier, but that is with every new games..
@thatitalianlameguy2235
@thatitalianlameguy2235 Год назад
@@EvilPapagali666 most of the content is original more meaty and always more challenging because there's less variety and the progression of worlds means that they are allowed to increase challenge while odyssey cannot because you can miss the first version and therefore all challenges are of the same difficulty regardless of world, a fundamentally flawed game
@rcket6057
@rcket6057 2 года назад
Returning to this review after some time, I still have some troubles understanding how I feel so differently about it. I really get most of your points, but I had so much fun exploring and finding those hidden coin stacks in spots that I really didn't think any developper would have thought of putting there. I loved to have any excuse to go back and explore again to find the new moons in the kingdoms I already did and explored every corner of. I loved the movement even though I don't like to always throw cappy neither, I can't deny it is so fun and still got enough depth for me to get better still after years. I really see you as THE reviewer that I go to for in-depth game critiques, but on this one, this makes me feel like I got poor tastes in platformers. Or maybe trying to learn those speedrun tricks gave the game the depth it lacks in the first place? I mean, when you talked about trying to skip stuff in your 2nd playthrough, that's what I did, and there is so much jumps and tracks that you, the player, decide to take, and they can really up the challenge. In any case, I would love to see nintendo do another Mario in the 64/Sunshine vein, with the movement of Odyssey, but more complexity in the level design too.
@highdefinition450
@highdefinition450 2 года назад
Don't beat yourself up over it, just because one guy on the Internet dislikes this game doesn't make it the objective truth. I love this game and by the looks of it, so do you. That just means you get to enjoy more stuff than this guy haha
@bigbluebuttonman1137
@bigbluebuttonman1137 2 года назад
I mean, I played through Odyssey again and had a wonderful time. I think he brings up many good points, there really is just a bit too many of these moons that don't require much effort and aren't very distinct. I still think the overall game provides an experience that in the aggregate makes for a very good game. A flawed game. But a very good one.
@e1iteyoshi998
@e1iteyoshi998 2 года назад
From what i read up on most people don't agree with the review cause it feels like it's structurally flawed. Putting the controversial opinion before why he believes this to be the case. The way objectivity keeps being brought up this way makes the review comes off as unintentionally pretentious. And if you're making a review and do this it's gonna make people not want to listen to what you have to say.
@LaserBungalow
@LaserBungalow 2 года назад
You DON'T have bad taste! The mechanics in this game are absolutely incredible & the worlds are vibrant and fun. It offers plenty of simple moons so most people can get through the game, while also offering challenge moons and tech skips for people with higher skill.
@frauleinzuckerguss1906
@frauleinzuckerguss1906 2 года назад
I agree. I think it really depends on your gameplay style how you enjoy this game. I also just really love exploring the worlds with Mario's moveset and finding things even after I've already been there. Sure, I see how his takes are valid. Having so many moons just laying around does kinda decrease their individual value but it just doesn't bother me. I still enjoy the way to getting (most of) them and it gives me a burst of happiness when I find something new and get rewarded for it.
@islandboy9381
@islandboy9381 6 лет назад
Of course its no masterpiece.. That title goes to: SUPER MARIO BROS 2 BAYBEEE THE ONE AND ONLY TRUE MASTAPIEECEE #objectivefacts
@GR33DMUSIC
@GR33DMUSIC 6 лет назад
Garfield kart*
@gamerchief7740
@gamerchief7740 6 лет назад
Homer J. Simpson what?! You dunk KNACK 2 IS THE REAL MASTAPEECE
@knightnight0108
@knightnight0108 6 лет назад
#everybodyelsesopinionsareshit
@HouseClarkzonian
@HouseClarkzonian 6 лет назад
SUUUUPPPPERRRR MAAARRRIIOOO BROOTTTHHHEERRSS TWWWWOOO BAAAYYYBEEE
@nobodylife6085
@nobodylife6085 6 лет назад
Ah i see, your man of Dunkey as well.
@justvibin1087
@justvibin1087 5 лет назад
Guys I watched the video *wheres my moon*
@eliasklein2580
@eliasklein2580 5 лет назад
For the time it took to watch the video you should get more moons (maybe 30)
@assassincharmander390
@assassincharmander390 5 лет назад
VerboseQuestion 🌙
@ramenated7244
@ramenated7244 4 года назад
Holy shit clicked on this video thinking it was 20 to 30 minutes. I was really fucking wrong
@axelholm319
@axelholm319 4 года назад
Duh du Du DU, Du DU *DU*
@pixelsheep8939
@pixelsheep8939 4 года назад
Pfft just clicking on this video would give you a moon
@erikm8373
@erikm8373 7 месяцев назад
Honestly, your points about many of the shrines feeling like they were thrown together in a basic level editor makes me think that some kind of Odyssey Maker game would actually be great.
@klrowdean
@klrowdean Год назад
I think this game hit two target demos pretty well 1. Young kids 2. Parents who don't have much time to play or energy to want to grind difficulty. Both of which kinda fit the Switch and Nintendo's vibe. There's plenty of Elden Rings maximizing complexity. Fair analysis.
@pintatatphpaobe9563
@pintatatphpaobe9563 Год назад
I think you can expand that last one to far more than just parents, but yeah. There are plenty of people who grew up gaming and still love it but can't really afford the time anymore (I am one of them). The switch was in many ways designed to be a casual "urban" console with games you can just chill out with in the hour or half hour you have spare. Being able to knock out 20 minutes of a lighthearted, consistently rewarding game like Odyssey or Zelda is all a lot of people really want from gaming nowadays, and I think to some extent they were both designed around that.
@klrowdean
@klrowdean Год назад
@@pintatatphpaobe9563 yeah, good call on my over-generalization to "parents". In my flawed view of a very narrow slice of humanity it feels like me and my fellow parents don't have time and other people do. But that's a me problem and neither fair nor accurate.
@arisumego
@arisumego Год назад
elden ring isn't complex lmfaooo
@woodrowwant6216
@woodrowwant6216 9 месяцев назад
Nintendo is known for targeting kids what’s with the shock?
@shay_3859
@shay_3859 7 месяцев назад
I honestly think it's disrespectful to say that it's for young kids. Young kids are not stupid.
@nopatiencejoe6376
@nopatiencejoe6376 4 года назад
I can't understand people in this comment section saying "It's a guy complaining for two hours about a video game, this is just a waste of time". Do these people understand that games take years to develop? And video game design is a broad topic and has the potential to be discussed for hours and hours on end... Specially when you talk about the legacy of 20+ years old franchise like Mario.
@b.u.r.n9175
@b.u.r.n9175 4 года назад
Bro nobody cares about this shit. Videogames are just videogames, you don't need 2 hours to talk about a game, they're just pastimes, YOU are the one who should be enjoying them, not listening to some guy talk for 2 hours about a videogame for kids
@hubblebublumbubwub5215
@hubblebublumbubwub5215 4 года назад
Half the video is just him describing things I've already played while missing the point. KingK got the same opinion across in a third of the time.
@catalystgreenhorn9184
@catalystgreenhorn9184 4 года назад
@N n You mean Nintendo fanboys. Just like their baby BOTW, don't you dare point out the flaws.
@pileofsand8756
@pileofsand8756 4 года назад
@@hubblebublumbubwub5215 What does it matter how long a video critique is? It's not a game who can say the most in the least amount of time. I really appreciate the fact he goes out of his way to do an in depth critique and I am not the only one. I even think the video could have been even longer and I still would have enjoyed it just as much. But I guess you don't have the attention span to appreciate it.
@hubblebublumbubwub5215
@hubblebublumbubwub5215 4 года назад
@Pile of Sand Didn't you have the attention span to read my comment? I don't need to hear a long description of a game I've already played. I guess there's an audience for it but I think he gets too much credit for going "in-depth" when he actually goes in-length. "It's not a game who can say the most in the least amount of time." It kinda is "generally, the fewer the words that fully communicate or evoke the intended ideas and feelings, the more effective the communication" -Mark Twain
@ericrobertbradley6591
@ericrobertbradley6591 3 года назад
Seeing Peach in a different outfit is one of those rewards that aren't moons
@stevecosmolove1045
@stevecosmolove1045 3 года назад
@Adam Senzai dang I missed that on my first playthrough but tbh I don't think I would have been ready to handle that anyway🥵
@mariothemii
@mariothemii 2 года назад
@@stevecosmolove1045 Grow some mushrooms man. I believe in you.
@TopMostFlavor
@TopMostFlavor 2 года назад
This guy gets it
@ericrobertbradley6591
@ericrobertbradley6591 2 года назад
@Rob Shabibo WHAT
@ericrobertbradley6591
@ericrobertbradley6591 2 года назад
@Rob Shabibo peach had a outfit for each level
@superflashyariel3835
@superflashyariel3835 4 месяца назад
Before watching this video, after finishing Odyssey and doing a lot of the after game content I would talk about how Odyssey is this massive game with so much stuff in it and so much content. But this video made me realize just how much recycled filler moons there were, how small the kingdoms actually were, and how linear some parts of the game are. I still enjoy the game, but my perspective on how “massive” it is and my overall opinion has definitely changed.
@nyoverse
@nyoverse Месяц назад
A great and authentic review. Shows the shortcomings of this game. This game could've been way more.
@evanpsarakis1757
@evanpsarakis1757 5 лет назад
As a massive Odyssey fan, I normally laugh at negative Odyssey reviews. But this was really freaking good. While I may disagree with you I respect everything you said. Every point you made makes sense and although I still love the game, my eyes were opened to Odyssey's flaws and I can see why people were disappointed. This was an amazing video, thanks man
@idontcheckmynotifications
@idontcheckmynotifications 5 лет назад
I just have to come and actually say thank you! Not just leave a like. There are too many Odyssey fans are honestly disgusting about it. Not all, but too many. Look how many people are going "you don't like fun" in these comments. T_T
@Taziod
@Taziod 4 года назад
You gotta respect the guy that spends 2h to give a negative review lmfao.
@endwalkr
@endwalkr 4 года назад
@@Taziod imagine being mad at a game reviewer for reviewing games and surprise surprise! not always liking them lmfao
@Taziod
@Taziod 4 года назад
@@endwalkr I'm not mad I don't even have this game. I just like this guys style
@endwalkr
@endwalkr 4 года назад
@@Taziod FUCK I misinterpreted your comment, I thought you were hating on Joseph lmao I'm so sorry!!!
@MrRedstoneready
@MrRedstoneready Год назад
11:25 they wanted long jumps to be easier, but didn't want long-jump-wall-jumps to be easy, so getting rid of it altogether makes sense. Also with cappy wall jumps can get crazy, so they had to reign it in a bit
@Wario_Guy
@Wario_Guy Год назад
I’ve seen some people denouncing the guys at Nintendo, calling them stupid. This is the most polite negative review I’ve ever seen. While I don’t really agree, I really have to respect the argument.
@baronyfan
@baronyfan 3 часа назад
Care to elaborate on why? You're allowed to obviously I just like hearing both sides of the argument.
@InnocuousRemark
@InnocuousRemark 6 лет назад
Oh no I'm gonna listen to Joseph mispronounce Mario for two hours
@glennmatthews758
@glennmatthews758 6 лет назад
mAYrio
@HoboborgBigBorgStreams
@HoboborgBigBorgStreams 6 лет назад
meechhhhhreeoh
@FreezerBurnMC
@FreezerBurnMC 6 лет назад
This triggers me to no end
@MasterRoyalSnow
@MasterRoyalSnow 6 лет назад
Mair-e-o 😅 lmao if it was anyway else I couldn't watch. Does anyone know why he does that, like what region he's from or does he provide an example because it seems like a conscience effort more than an accent or whatever. It's as if he honestly believes we're the ones pronouncing it wrong.
@lovablecylinder2524
@lovablecylinder2524 6 лет назад
Well, he says "sorry" like a Canadian, so that's something.
@OsscarBones
@OsscarBones 6 лет назад
I clicked the like button but didnt get a moon, is this a bug?
@joefish5689
@joefish5689 6 лет назад
Yeah you’ll have to make a new account and try again
@codacious14
@codacious14 6 лет назад
You got a Moon! "Liking the video"
@mistermassi95
@mistermassi95 6 лет назад
You have to click it 50 times.
@magentasound_
@magentasound_ 6 лет назад
Have you tried turning it off and turning it on again?
@danstraight9350
@danstraight9350 6 лет назад
Some like buttons gives moons some just give one more like to the video better check all the like buttons though!
@NigerianArchitect
@NigerianArchitect 2 года назад
29:55 My one counterpoint here is that there IS a drawback, in that all of the Mario powerups prevent you from being able to enter the smaller, one-unit spaces that little Mario can. You might be like, oh that's barely relevant, but I'm certain there are at least a couple levels in SMW that require this Also: this should have been a Kirby game. or a Wario game?
@bigbluebuttonman1137
@bigbluebuttonman1137 2 года назад
Speaking of Kirby games, Kirby and the Forgotten Land. Looking forward to that one.
@thebestnarcissist5464
@thebestnarcissist5464 2 года назад
@@bigbluebuttonman1137 car
@thenoseguy
@thenoseguy 2 года назад
@@bigbluebuttonman1137 Can't wait for the... interesting... fanart.
@AA-tz2bm
@AA-tz2bm 2 года назад
@@thenoseguy leave clawroline alone wtf
@AA-tz2bm
@AA-tz2bm 2 года назад
rip clawroline lost to rule 34
@orange_turtle3412
@orange_turtle3412 Год назад
I think a big problem with odyssey is the lack of variety and originality in its objectives. The movement system is basically perfect and the worlds are (almost) all very memorable. But the game has like 999 moons and probably 3/4 of that is uninspired filler that exists only to artificially extend the game’s length. If they had kept it down to a more reasonable level, spaced objectives out more, and made more unique challenges for them like 64, sunshine, and galaxy, I would be much happier. Those 3 games get by on having only 120 objectives with galaxy 2 having 240. Each feels like its own distinct challenge to obtain.
@leeartlee915
@leeartlee915 Год назад
Agreed. One point I kinda disagreed with is about the “out in the open moons”. Every 3D Mario game has had this set up. From Mario 64 to Odyssey, there has always been a percentage of moons that are just “there”. But what makes this game different is just how out in the open some moons are. Like, some of them are just on the ground floor as you’re walking around. But there are a lot of them that are pretty comparable to “out in the open” moons in previous games. Other than that, I think this review is spot on.
@kennethcamp8730
@kennethcamp8730 Год назад
It’s crazy ppl say the movement system is so perfect, with the motion controls being an obvious flaw and how the ZL button is used to do so many actions that’s it’s easy to, say, ground pound when you really wanted to leap thru the air.
@leeartlee915
@leeartlee915 Год назад
@@kennethcamp8730 That’s a fair criticism. The controls are far from perfect. What I think people mean is that, when the controls work, Mario moves so smoothly in Odyssey. But I agree, I have ground pounded accidentally more times than I can count… but that also use to happen in Mario 64.
@JohnDoe-et5bq
@JohnDoe-et5bq 11 месяцев назад
@@kennethcamp8730 just hit the button at the right time dummy?
@shay_3859
@shay_3859 7 месяцев назад
If you watched the video, he objectively showed that it's actually closer to 7/8s being uninspired filler.
@blarneystone38
@blarneystone38 3 года назад
I think the moon vs. korok thing is the crux of the issue here. Korok seeds were kinda dumb and really repetitive, but the entire point of them was that you were never meant to get all of them. Your final reward is for collecting half of the total korok seeds in the game, which makes sense since BOTW has a massive world map and everyone is going to take a different path through it. Moons are designed like korok seeds but given the weight of the stars in the other games, which makes very little sense. In all of the other 3D Mario games, it's not unreasonable to collect every single star to get the full experience, but collecting every moon is just dull and repetitive. I think you can have a good time with Odyssey if you simply collect enough moons to complete the main quest, and maybe enough to reach the 500 moon ending. But there's really no reason to collect all of them, and that's a serious departure from what we've learned in all of the other Mario games to this point.
@JP-sd7di
@JP-sd7di 3 года назад
I feel the same way. There are almost as many Power Moons (880, or 999 if you count the ones you can buy) in this game as there are purple coins (1000), which is just ridiculous
@connorp3764
@connorp3764 3 года назад
You know, I don't think the moons were that bad of a concept. It's like, say, ketchup. Would you eat from the bottle straight? No, I don't think so, I hope not at least. But would you eat ketchup on a burger, or with fries, whatever your preference(don't think into the comparison too hard, it's a condiment widely used in this manner)? Most people would. What I'm saying is the moons needed something to pair with, that aren't as numerous or easy to get. Keep the moons, but add "stars" or whatever, and keep it to around the usual 120, or maybe less. it doesn't even need to be in the base playthrough. Literally just keep it as it is, and when you finish the base playthrough, just add challenge levels and objectives like sunshine and 64 to really challenge the player. The ketchup now has a burger to accompany with it, complementing each other.
@blarneystone38
@blarneystone38 3 года назад
@@connorp3764 I think this is a good idea, and the funny thing is that previous Marios had exactly this, in the form of 1-ups. Many 1-ups are designed the same way as most Odyssey moons - sitting out in the open in slightly hard-to-reach places, or the reward for a simple challenge. These accompanied the more significant rewards, stars/shines. The issue was that 1-ups ceased to be extrinsically rewarding as time went on, because game overs stopped meaning anything in the more modern titles and because the games gave you so many lives that you would never really be in danger of getting a game over anyway. Moons are nice because they do give you an extrinsic reward (one step closer to a new area), but because so many of them were so easy to get it made the more challenging ones less meaningful. I really like the idea proposed in this video (at least I think it was this one, I watched a few) of partial moons - half moons, quarter moons - for the easier challenges. That allows you to make everything rewarding in some way, preserve the importance of the bigger challenges, and it even thematically fits with the idea of moons.
@woah5333
@woah5333 3 года назад
Such an easy fix too? The korok seed moons just don't be moons coz they dilutes the moons rewarded from beating challenging levels
@General12th
@General12th 3 года назад
You only need 500 moons to unlock the last bit of content, and there's no counter telling you how many moons you have left after that point. The game is deliberately designed to _not_ convince you to get them all. If you feel like you have to anyway, just because "it's a Mario game", well, that's on you.
@TwitchFailsandWins
@TwitchFailsandWins 6 лет назад
"If you played the game you're used to tedium and wont be bothered by it" Damn.
@eanderson9599
@eanderson9599 6 лет назад
Twitch Fails I haven’t watched the whole vid so don’t know the context of that quote, but I wouldn’t consider Mario Odyssey’s main campaign tedious at all. The only tedious part of the game imo are the moon paintings where you have to go somewhere else to get that moon (but that’s less than 5% of the whole game)
@progfoxmusic
@progfoxmusic 6 лет назад
Came to the comments just to see if that quote was here. Brilliant.
@MisterHeroman
@MisterHeroman 6 лет назад
He just wanted likes because someone posted that line before he did and got way more. Ironically that line hits hardest at joe himself because he did 2 playthroughs and spent all that time getting moons.
@SuperAvocadoo
@SuperAvocadoo 6 лет назад
Which is ironic since he said that Stephen's Sausage Roll is one of the best puzzle games he ever played.
@SaintSC05
@SaintSC05 6 лет назад
People still don't know what ironic means.
@IcanReadCanYou
@IcanReadCanYou 7 месяцев назад
That mushroom kingdom bit got me, I really thought that was a tutorial level, I'm glad I only watched Dunkey play this.
@Arlae_Nova
@Arlae_Nova Год назад
As someone who really likes to complete their levels systematically and hates coming back to a stage to complete them after playing different stages, this game was soooo exhausting. I like it when I can complete a checklist, but not one where you go randomly through it and have to do things in the most inefficient way possible. Also, the gameplays was horrible, it didn't feel as clean as the mario galaxy games which I absolutely adore. I wish I hadn't spend the money on this one honestly, and it took me a long time to admit that.
@leeartlee915
@leeartlee915 Год назад
Yeah, I recently went back to this game after putting it down years ago and I was shocked to find that many of the moons required me to bounce back and forth between levels. That e would be fine if I was gaining abilities or something but no, it’s just designed to pad the game.
@josiahbaumgartner7643
@josiahbaumgartner7643 Год назад
The game incentivizes you to leave to the next level as soon as you finish the story and only deeply explore every inch of each kingdom after beating the story. You not playing in the way the developer intended made the game less fun for you, not the way the game was made.
@leeartlee915
@leeartlee915 Год назад
@@josiahbaumgartner7643 If you played the way the developer intended, you’d beat the game in 3 hours.
@haruhirogrimgar6047
@haruhirogrimgar6047 Год назад
​@@josiahbaumgartner7643 The developer should make their intention more clear then. Have some in-game dialogue (if you aren't a Nintendo fan you should have the ability to read) about it.
@butterchicken9912
@butterchicken9912 6 лет назад
I think he didnt like the moons
@ilexdiapason
@ilexdiapason 6 лет назад
Sebas Rom99 really?
@wispy9859
@wispy9859 6 лет назад
Did he? I mean, he did enter professor mode for 2 hours. HMMMMMM.
@xDARKSHADEx
@xDARKSHADEx 6 лет назад
you misspelled blue coins
@JOVAHK11N
@JOVAHK11N 6 лет назад
Yeah, it's like he doesn't like the core of the game, I'm 67 moons to 100%ing the game and there is an execive lot of variety to not get bored collecting moons, he however seems to be angry at the game for giving him something to play. The game is better than Zelda BotW in my opinion, and I honestly would consider myself more of a Zelda fan than a Mario fan. Don't get me wrong, BotW does some stuff in ways than no other gane has done before, but Odyssey is an overall better experience.
@butterchicken9912
@butterchicken9912 6 лет назад
Jesus Osvaldo Broch well he makes some very good points, in the end you just feel like you enjoy it or not, i didnt play it and i dont know if i would like the game
@MayerEO
@MayerEO 6 лет назад
Dude... that bait and switch spiel about the Mushroom Kingdom being a beginning level.... friggin blew my mind. I'm one of the 2 people on earth that still haven't played the game yet, so that really took me by surprise!
@a10cgaming67
@a10cgaming67 6 лет назад
I played the game and I reaaally wanted to correct him in the comments but then he pulled that card and BAM FLABBERGASTED
@DMBisAwesome
@DMBisAwesome 6 лет назад
>I'm one of the 2 people on earth that still haven't played the game yet Um no, the vast majority of us haven't played and don't give a fuck about Nintendo games.
@Whispernyan
@Whispernyan 6 лет назад
If you listened to the tone of his voice and the words he was using you could make out how sarcastic he was being with words like "i guess" alot.
@Whispernyan
@Whispernyan 6 лет назад
Also Dmbisawesome, i'm pretty sure that makes your the the second person.
@glungusgongus
@glungusgongus 6 лет назад
DMBisAwesome Its good tho
@crinklyonion1410
@crinklyonion1410 19 дней назад
One thing I have to mention is that in the section where you talked about the reviews of Odyssey and were surprised that people were rating it based on how much fun people had as adults rather than how much fun a kid would have if they played it. Games can be fun for adults even if they are “made for kids”. Just because it’s aimed towards entertaining children doesn’t mean that adults should be judged or looked down upon for enjoying the game.
@nickk3077
@nickk3077 Год назад
1:28:30 You can actually jump on him while he is in his spikey phase and end it early... There's a reason the spike on his head disappears while he's jumping around.
@monsieursp00ky44
@monsieursp00ky44 6 лет назад
"I'm sorry if this seemed tedious to anyone who already played the game, but I figured if you have then you're already pretty used to tedium and shouldn't be bothered by it." GOD DAMN
@V_y-r_e
@V_y-r_e 6 лет назад
WHA-WHAAAT?!!!
@MasterRoyalSnow
@MasterRoyalSnow 6 лет назад
Shots fired 💀
@spookydonkey42
@spookydonkey42 6 лет назад
Seems kind of reductive to me when presented like that. Any game can be boiled down to its repetitive elements. Move right and jump. Strafe and shoot. arrange puzzle pieces. Dynasty warriors and street fighter are tedious if u consider its one gameplay type, but we go back to them for many reasons. Mario also. Its "tedium" perhaps for sake of cynicism here? Still a dope af video btw
@josephulmer5208
@josephulmer5208 6 лет назад
In good games, those repetitive elements are built around a solid core. usually this is an interesting narrative, a gradually escalating difficulty, more complex level design, a gradual introduction of new mechanics that force you to rethink your initial impressions of the core mechanics... but his point is that SMO does none of these things and simply recycles the same "chalenges" over and over again.
@chosenundead3174
@chosenundead3174 6 лет назад
Thanks noob-noob. This guy gets it
@northernloss
@northernloss 4 года назад
“It’s like having Chris Pratt as your online boyfriend” is my favorite analogy ever
@ArylBarrel
@ArylBarrel 3 года назад
SAME.
@Tom_Quixote
@Tom_Quixote 3 года назад
I guess it was his way of coming out of the closet?
@EchoDissolve
@EchoDissolve 3 года назад
Analogy, not simile.
@northernloss
@northernloss 3 года назад
@@EchoDissolve My bad, ty
@Sunaru6914
@Sunaru6914 Год назад
Some people like doing mundane tasks (picking up unique moons) to achieve a satisfying goal (500 Moons, 700 Moons etc) and for them collecting a single moon isn't fun but getting every moon in a level until it has nothing to offer is engaging, and satisfying.
@ralphiecifaretto8961
@ralphiecifaretto8961 Год назад
You're describing a mentally ill person.
@saturdaykiro945
@saturdaykiro945 2 года назад
I totally agree on the part about how they handled moons & fine tuning some of the controls/movements, however I can't agree with the negative views about the worlds... I feel like we've gone numb in this day and age, when I see the worlds in this mario game, I see experiments on tropes never explored before: Tostarena for mexican desert and latin america ruins, New Donk for big metropolis, Bowser for Japanese architectures, Shiveria for Norvegian/Irish pubs, Forbidden Island for Indonesian/jungle vibes... Sure, you could absolutely say that the "desert" theme has already been done in a mario game, but that's like saying that a city has already been done in gta, that's just a byproduct of the scope of the game, taking inspiration from real places in our world, with a twist. I would definitely agree on the "arena" kingdoms, just because I see a lot of lost potential and missed ideas, I'm sure however that was made because of development crunches. With game mechanics fine tuned and the structure of the base game already there, Odyssey 2 will be the masterpiece you were looking for, no doubt. Nintendo showed technical prowess, a great understanding on map design and variety with this game, not mentioning the attention to detail and the willingness to challenge what they have established with the past 15 years of mario games.
@AydarBMSTU
@AydarBMSTU 2 года назад
Let him be a crybaby about it
@jonathanferreira6682
@jonathanferreira6682 2 года назад
tropes never explored before deserts and cities
@AydarBMSTU
@AydarBMSTU 2 года назад
@@jonathanferreira6682 with that kind of attitude, every place is a boring explored-before-already setting/environment
@jonathanferreira6682
@jonathanferreira6682 Год назад
yeah and that's why we dont use that kind of wording, what you can say is that those are interesting takes or mashups with mario but really those aren't
@saturdaykiro945
@saturdaykiro945 Год назад
@@jonathanferreira6682 You can simplify everything thinking that way, like the gta example I wrote above, or every map in every metroidvania ever, like "oh wow just a bunch of interconnected corridors with a new coat of paint" ... It's pretty simple: you must think of the artstyle of a game, especially in a long-running franchise like Mario, and how the new game can push those boundaries. I think that specifically to Mario Odissey, it is the least "platformy" and most world building i've seen in recent Mario games, the whole concept behind the game is traveling the world, and you know, in the world there effectively are deserts, snowy places, volcanoes. The thing is how Mario games can use these concepts and create interesting outcomes without stepping on too safe grounds, and I think this game did it. In Tostarena you go from an iced mexican city with funny skeleton guys to some ruins nearby and all ascends into the climax of the inverted latin america pyramid, in my eyes that's something that pushes Mario away from just a linear platforming challenge, and it's desert with interesting twists (you ride a lion statue, pretty cool). New Donk, a realistic city with realistic people who worship Donkey Kong? That's pretty cool if you ask me. In Luncheon Kingdom there are fork guys who live in an italian low poly place with a volcano that they use to cook soup? Thats pretty cool. But I guess you could just say "Ah well, it's just a lava level". And that's a pretty dumb statement if you ask me. It's like playing Hollow Knight and saying "Ah well, it's just another Brinstar with different graphics and bug people". So yeah, I continue to not agree with this. Just because a specific theme / ambient doesn't click with you, it doesn't mean that it is "safe" or "seen-before". A mechanical forest where cleaning robots protect flowers, with overgrown mechanical facilities, and all culminates in a flower robot fight? That'a just really good for a Mario game. And I could go on and on
@kalanielibrenoklinke9440
@kalanielibrenoklinke9440 3 года назад
This video is just an excuse for Joseph to confess his crush on Chris Pratt.
@jeromealday614
@jeromealday614 3 года назад
I died at the that moment. So many comparison to make and he chose that 😂😂
@NightRogue77
@NightRogue77 2 года назад
But you don’t need excuses to love the Pratt
@wanupafterhours4063
@wanupafterhours4063 2 года назад
Oh man this chris Pratt comment…
@CakeLord7
@CakeLord7 2 года назад
HOW DID YOU KNOW
@SleeperJauffre
@SleeperJauffre 2 года назад
Jesus Christ
@ryanc2788
@ryanc2788 6 лет назад
Just had to push it to the ten minute mark huh smh Edit: Holy shit thank you for so many likes
@wispy9859
@wispy9859 6 лет назад
In the end, he won. Money is power.
@RekizFilms
@RekizFilms 6 лет назад
Nintendo will de-monetize it anyway
@robloxazo
@robloxazo 6 лет назад
Are you all being sarcastic? Sorry for not identifying sarcasm very well
@ryanc2788
@ryanc2788 6 лет назад
Azoe yes, just a joke
@robloxazo
@robloxazo 6 лет назад
Oh, alright, thx.
@diodamke1007
@diodamke1007 Год назад
I agree that just being given some menial task to do in exchange for a collectable isn't fun when the task is just busywork and isn't challenging and engaging in some way, and in general I'm not a fan of the "if you don't like it don't use/do it" argument in game design... but I have to say I do think it somewhat applies to at least some of the filler moons in this game. The ones like "Bench Friends" I mean, the ones where you interact with some random object, get a moon for it, and from then on have to interact with every similar object in the game just in case it gives you a moon. You only have to do that if you're going for every moon, which you don't have to do. If you aren't going for every moon, then once you come across a moon like "Bench Friends" you can just make a mental note along the lines of "I might find more moons by sitting on every bench in the game, but that sounds tedious so I'm not going to do it. I'll get the moons I need elsewhere instead." This is something you can do with them that you can't with other bad moons, because you know beforehand that these moons aren't worth it, which you won't for every bad moon.* Now this still isn't an excuse for them, mind, a bad moon is still a bad moon, but they're not *as* bad as you made out because they're only an active detriment to players who are unable to resist their completionist urges, of which admittedly there are many. To everyone else they don't add value, but they don't really detract from the game either. It is a shame though that completionist urges are punished for what's probably the first time in a 3D Mario. Of course there were lacklustre stars in previous Mario games, but I think most people would agree it's generally worth going for all of them in 64, Sunshine, Galaxy etc. whereas that doesn't seem like the case in Odyssey. Between this and gathering all the korok seeds rewarding you with a giant pile of shit in Zelda, I have to wonder if somebody at Nintendo has it out for completionists. I also think it's interesting you note some of the hidden moons in this game would probably have been 1-ups in previous Mario games, but since the lives system has been removed now they're moons instead. I think a lot of people nowadays consider lives to be a holdover from arcade games that have no place in modern game design, something I disagree with, and this could be an example of their removal having a negative effect on the game. *There is a slight caveat to this, which is that you might still want to check every bench on the off-chance one of them doesn't just give you a moon, but leads to a separate challenge. However I don't think most people would assume any of them would, and even if you did think that a few might, you would probably still come to the conclusion it isn't worth bothering to check.
@Cleide3326
@Cleide3326 2 года назад
I picked this game right after its launch. I played almost all of it, but after my 500th moon, I just lost interest. I was never able to put into words why it felt so disappointing for me, while it was just a masterpiece for almost everyone else, and this video does just that. Thank you for that incredible analysis. Probably will dig for more of your content (and seeing this is from 2018, I hope you still make it lol).
@unquestionableexistance8704
@unquestionableexistance8704 2 года назад
Yeah same here Around snow kingdom is where my interest started to fall before plummeling down a hole at bowser's kingdom and just kinda rushed to finish the game I picked up postgame stuff when I got really bored and I was still bored
@Kirbystarallies1
@Kirbystarallies1 Год назад
Same
@avocadeous
@avocadeous 11 месяцев назад
@@unquestionableexistance8704ikr. The later kingdoms almost feel rushed in a way. There are so many kingdoms that have barely any substance. The snow kingdom is a good example. That one is just boring; it’s just snow. No cool themes like Tostarena or the luncheon kingdom, just snow. I feel like the moon kingdom is also pretty boring since it’s very empty. The only things that are really carrying it is the novelty of being on the moon and the fact that bowser is there.
@DanielMazahreh
@DanielMazahreh 3 месяца назад
There’s no “incredible analysis” to be found here. You’re just an incompetent player lacking efficient exploration.
@jacobosborne9936
@jacobosborne9936 6 лет назад
As someone who hasn't played the game the bait and switch with the Mushroom Kingdom WAS a masterpiece.
@Schwallex
@Schwallex 6 лет назад
As someone who hasn't played the game, you are an idiot for watching this video. And of course by the standards of an idiot a very basic writing technique is a masterpiece. While by the standards of a Joseph Anderson it was meh at best.
@ethanmathoo2117
@ethanmathoo2117 6 лет назад
Schwallex Calm the fuck down
@MrMetalforever5
@MrMetalforever5 6 лет назад
Look at this faux comment-section critic flexing his intensely minuscule intelligence, good on ya Schwallex, you're a certified idiot.
@setomanda3272
@setomanda3272 6 лет назад
+Schwallex What did this man do to you?
@LloydRhodesBrandon
@LloydRhodesBrandon 6 лет назад
+Schwallex Holy fuck you're horrible
@davidheinrich7641
@davidheinrich7641 6 лет назад
I love your sarcastic comment in your vids. Personal fave in this one: "Sometimes you're... a stretchy onion thing; the dream of every child."
@jimbogreen7029
@jimbogreen7029 6 лет назад
what about "If you played the game you're used to tedium and wont be bothered by it"
@benlink202forever
@benlink202forever 6 лет назад
Jimbo Green pretty hypocritical, but none the less savage.
@xEric1993
@xEric1993 6 лет назад
omg that one killed me lol
@squeaks5677
@squeaks5677 5 лет назад
Eevil I Calm down. He likes a joke, so what?
@el_fucko
@el_fucko 8 месяцев назад
I like to imagine that all the dislikes are because of the way Joe pronounces Mario, not because he criticized this historically overrated game.
@99splashing77
@99splashing77 8 месяцев назад
Aye
@cabbagepotato2421
@cabbagepotato2421 5 месяцев назад
I'm rewatching this video after watching a lot of other Joe's critiques and streams, so I understand Joe's style and personality better. The bait and switch at about 42:00 is just great, it's THE Joe thing to do, and I love it
@joshschultz1237
@joshschultz1237 4 года назад
This video summed up as simply as possible Why are two shrines devoted to throwing hammers at cheese
@chuggaa100
@chuggaa100 3 года назад
moon
@Aleks-hp8pr
@Aleks-hp8pr 3 года назад
Hammer Bros are lactose intolerant maybe?
@huefelix556
@huefelix556 2 года назад
C H E E S E
@j03man44
@j03man44 2 года назад
16:33 "it would be like having Chris Pratt as your online boyfriend" This line had me stunlocked for a full minute. I had to rewind the video because I couldn't stop thinking about how amazing that comparison is.
@covereye5731
@covereye5731 Год назад
And how has this feeling evolved during these Mario Movie days?
@diegog1853
@diegog1853 2 года назад
I think this is a case for me of charm and very solid controls being all that is needed. I see and agree with your point of this game not being challenging, and not offering interesting gameplay scenarios. The game for me was more of a mario relaxing and charming adventure, than a platforming masterpiece. I would argue that instead of imposing challenging tests of skill the game incentivizes player expression, starting from playing dress up, but most importantly by not locking the player from geting moons outside of the intended method. And that is probably the most fun I had with this game, exploring the levels and trying to find ways of getting into difficult places using the tools available. It is a platforming sandbox, and in most sandbox games expression gets priority over challenge. It is funny how you compare it to breath of the wild, because I kind of have the opposite look on the games, I find breath of the wild to be more filled with padding, because most of the gameplay is walking or riding a horse, holding the stick up to the next shrine or to a bunch of repeated enemies from a surprisingly small pool of options. At least in mario Odyssey, even with the most simpler objectives of moving from point A to B, I am still engaged in the acrobatics and there are little improvements I can do to my movement to make it faster and more fun. In BOTW you are lucky if there is some terrain to slide with your shield or to glide, which is also not very mechanically engaging with little variation or optimization possible. I agree that this is a master piece of a kids game... but I don't think it is necessary to mention the target audience or to expect reviewers to specify. Each one measures success in their own terms, and critics in particular should strive to measure success beyond what they like and taking developer intention in mind. I can see how the marketing sold you on a different idea to what the game was, but I am not entirely sure if that is something to hold against the game.
@fisheatsyourhead
@fisheatsyourhead 2 года назад
the point about odyssey compared to botw is spot on!
@diegog1853
@diegog1853 2 года назад
@@fisheatsyourhead I agree with almost all of his points but I think he is kind of missing the forest for the trees. While the objectives are admittedly easy and simple, they are in a way an excuse for the player to explore and platform around the world in whichever way they want. The movement is so good that the objectives almost feel secondary, the means to an end. While in Zelda the majority of the gameplay is often uninteresting and the player is rewarded for wandering around with eventually something interesting to do. Which is not necessarily bad, but it is the opposite approach to mario odyssey. In mario looking for the objectives is the fun part, going from A to B is the fun part.
@bigbluebuttonman1137
@bigbluebuttonman1137 2 года назад
I think you've finally managed to express what I felt about Breath of the Wild when I played it. I am a movement guy. I grew up on Mario and Sonic. I chose to beat Super Meat Boy because I got to blaze through hard levels in neat ways. So when I played Breath of the Wild, it was neat. But it started being hard to hold my attention, because there were long stretches of climbing and running around where that was...all that was happening. And it didn't feel particularly charming, like it was *the best walking or running I've ever done in a video game,* whereas in Odyssey that was not true. It was peppy and fun to just do any of the moves I could on the way through these kingdoms. And while I certainly noticed that so many of the moons were kind of lazy, or just stomping on a piece of ground reliant mostly on paying attention...it was a ton of fun just getting there in my way. Whereas in Breath of the Wild, I wasn't having that same feeling of just being totally free.
@diegog1853
@diegog1853 2 года назад
@@bigbluebuttonman1137 Yeah absolutely, I think he misunderstood the mission statement of the games. Sure breath of the wild had far better rewards for exploration with the shrines, but in contrast you spend the majority of the game holding up on the stick, of course the rewards have to be huge, otherwise the game would be almost a complete waste of time. Grab to random playthroughs of mario odyssey and BOTW and compare random times in the playthrough and most likely mario and the player are doing a whole lot more that what link is doing
@diegog1853
@diegog1853 Год назад
@@draguOdoT I would say that a problem I have with both of these games is the sheer enormity of them that killed replayability and also undermined most of the objectives, making them feel somewhat pointless in the grand scheme of things. A thunder sword might be a cool reward the first time, the tenth time might not even be worth picking up. But yeah, now that you mentioned it, I may have been a little too harsh on how you control link for most of the game. Sure you mostly press up and do simple things. But the experience is supposed to be engaged mentally not only mechanicaly, you are supposed to contemplate these awesome vistas full of secrets and feel inclined to visit and explore them, even if the action itself of going there is bland and repetitive. Similar to in real life, you can be walking down the street and walking through a dense forest and eventho you actions are virtually identical, the experiences are not, one can be commuting to work, the other one an exciting day of vacation. Either way I still think that BOTW could have made its moment to moment gameplay more exciting (for instance with a larger cast of enemies or more traversal options to unlock throught the game). And despite the fact I do think both of these games are heavily padded with pointless objectives, I can recognize that this is part of BOTW identity, having a huge world to explore, if you make BOTW smaller you risk creating an entirely different experience, while Mario Odyssey I think it would only benefit from cutting the number of moons in half or even lower. Definetely feels more padded for the sake of playtime, while BOTW is padded for the sake of world building and a sense of freedom.
@Krypto121
@Krypto121 11 месяцев назад
Mario Odyssey, a game where butt stomping the ground is considered "good enough" by Nintendo standards to reward the player with a collectible. What happened to Nintendo when their games actually felt rewarding to play? Now they're even worse than Ubisoft used to be with the korok seed "puzzles" in Breath of the Wild being as taxing as... lifting up a rock.
@infinityheart_tm9270
@infinityheart_tm9270 8 месяцев назад
Quantity over Quality.
@user-zw3on4bx2t
@user-zw3on4bx2t 13 дней назад
And then Forgotten Land happened. Have fun collecting all the Waddle Dees without a guide.
@Sightss_
@Sightss_ 4 года назад
RU-vid is fascinating. There are a bunch of relatively recent comments from people apologizing for disliking prematurely, and respectfully disagreeing. A lot of people doing that from the get go. Some are saying its horrible, while others argue it's ok at best. So many opinions. And then you have people who just dislike instantly never to come back. Possibly leaving a comment saying the video is ass... Goes to show how many different people there are, and how they can change and reflect on what they're being told. Wierd how a vid about a mario game could bring this out so clearly
@infinityheart_tm9270
@infinityheart_tm9270 3 года назад
Also the realization like 5 minutes after 100%ing the game that the best part about the game is just skipping over it(Speedrunning it)
@Mqstodon
@Mqstodon 3 года назад
Ok but, leaving a dislike is not bad? Leaving a dislike cause you disagree with a video isn't bad. People that disliked and said they didn't like the video aren't dumb or fanboys, they just didn't like the video
@marcocognome1835
@marcocognome1835 3 года назад
This Is the sad magic of t the internet "insert magiacale effect"
@leonconnelly5303
@leonconnelly5303 3 года назад
Yeah people think things. We got a fucking Aristotle over hear
@ayazyaman6506
@ayazyaman6506 3 года назад
@@Mqstodon leaving is a dislike isn't bad leaving a dislike because of the title is bad I remember when this video released in about an hour there were 3 thousand dislikes
@Devilmangu
@Devilmangu 6 лет назад
I think a lot of people are disliking the video without even watching it first, I've already read too many comments complaining about "how mushroom kingdom is not the first level".
@Furionic696
@Furionic696 6 лет назад
Most people do other things while watchng this kind of content,verbally implying for 3 minutes that Mushroom Kingdom was the first stage was kind of obtuse and longwinded as a point and confused the shit out of me until he got to the 'punchline' It just wasn't very effective whether due to tone or writing it fell flat.
@Devilmangu
@Devilmangu 6 лет назад
Yeah it's not the first time that's happened, in his bloodborne analysis he pretended for 20 minutes? that an invisible alien that grabbed you was a glitch, now I'm used to it but I understand everyone's first reaction to a joke like that.
@Furionic696
@Furionic696 6 лет назад
I just feel that in this kind of content it can be ill fitting because I know I've done similar when trying to make a point in the past and completely lost people on what I was trying to say sometimes simple it better I guess haha, I personally think video reviews have a good room to be jokey and non-serious at times but due to the nature of the medium I think it's also wise to make those moments clear to the viewer as if it depends on a visual or audio cue they might not always be holding enough attention to see when those more subtle plays happen :)
@Area2209
@Area2209 6 лет назад
I thought it was very effective because I have not played the game. All the moons he described seemed like it would be from the first tutorial level. Then he reveals it actually isn't and the whole game is that tedious, really struck me and makes me never want to play it.
@SOMEGUY7893
@SOMEGUY7893 6 лет назад
+Fireaxxe Well, it's made like that purposely though, it's supposed to be an endgame reward type of thing. It's not meant to be difficult. In fact one of the moons he praised was from a sub-world of that level.
@bathatcatscat
@bathatcatscat Год назад
We can all agree that the ost is good, right?
@StrawberryShartCak3
@StrawberryShartCak3 Год назад
Some were good
@zamalamahama4894
@zamalamahama4894 11 месяцев назад
For sure I love wooded’s theme
@jjkthebest
@jjkthebest 2 года назад
"It's more about exploration" always feels like a cop out to me. My favourite games that I enjoy for their exploration (for example: souls) still have a lot of challenge to them Small kingdoms with only a hand full of moons wouldn't be a problem for me if that meant the rest of the game is full of interesting content, but it isn't. Compact kingdoms with lots of moons crammed into a small area I would actually like a lot, if those moons were challenging to get, which they aren't. Worlds changing after a trigger point can be done well, I think, but it wasn't great in odyssey. Your idea of having the powerups saved seems like a great idea. I also love the idea of having the researcher be harder to reach with the possessed enemy. Would've loved to have seen something like these ideas. I played this game once, and I didn't collect all the moons. I never even got to 500 moons. And I don't intend to touch the game again. My least favourite mario game, and from now on, if a new mario game releases the first thing I'll ask is whether it's actually fun or if it's like odyssey.
@gavinwilson5324
@gavinwilson5324 2 года назад
It's a common misconception that Odyssey is about exploration. It's actually about collection. 3D Mario games have always been collectathons with platforming elements and challenges, not the other way around.
@jjkthebest
@jjkthebest 2 года назад
@@gavinwilson5324 for oddyssey, yeah that's true, but I wouldn't say all 3d Marios are like that. The galaxy games had considerably more interesting challenges
@shadez123
@shadez123 2 года назад
Your problem is thinking that challenge necessarily improves a game. If you only enjoy games to be challenged, your appreciation of the medium is so narrow that it's laughable.
@aolson1111
@aolson1111 Год назад
@@shadez123 No need to get angry at somebody for an opinion. If a game isn't challenging, then it needs to find another method of engagement. Boring, mindless chores are not engaging, but I guess that are for you.
@AlexanderWilithinIII
@AlexanderWilithinIII 5 лет назад
Oh wow, that Mushroom Kingdom bait and switch blew my mind. I saw the comments during your jab in the God of War video and didn't get it, but now I understand. WILD.
@GibusWearingMann
@GibusWearingMann 5 лет назад
I saw those same comments, and came here looking to find more. Instead, I found your comment, which makes me happy.
@brazencoronet17
@brazencoronet17 5 лет назад
Me too.
@brazencoronet17
@brazencoronet17 5 лет назад
@@Mertanian The thing is, he claimed that the Mushroom kingdom was the first level to trick people who haven't played the game into thinking the tedium was just teaching mechanics, but then showed them it was one of the last levels in the game to show just how underwhelming and easy the game is.
@planescaped
@planescaped 4 года назад
I played the game and thought throughout him listing all the Mushroom Kingdom moons "Did I miss something?" "Was I supposed to go back there?" XD Odyssey was such a painfully mediocre game. Truest 4/10 I have ever seen.
@mrcarrothead99
@mrcarrothead99 3 года назад
Considering how Mario Odyssey was one of the early Switch games, I think it was designed in a way to showcase the portable aspect of the console. By that I mean that the game is probably meant to be played in short bursts of time. I play Odyssey in the same way I play Animal Crossing, in a very casual manner. I turn on the game for about 30 minutes just to kill some time, collect some moons and play around with its fun movement mechanics before turning off and heading out to do something else. Not that I think your points are invalid, I actually agree with most of them and I am not trying to make an excuse for poor videogame design, but I think that playing the game on a slow pace can make the moon collecting aspect of the game feel much more tolerable and less of a mindless and tiresome chore. Anyways, great video! I don't usually watch long reviews, but this one made 2 hours feel like nothing
@wariolandgoldpiramid
@wariolandgoldpiramid 3 года назад
Yeah, he streamed the game for 12 hours straight on launch. Which is NOT how the game is meant to be played. And it actually makes me wish more games could force limits on how you play at once.
@shamringo7438
@shamringo7438 3 года назад
@@wariolandgoldpiramid Forcing limits is stupid People should be able to play games however they want. Why would a game, used for entertainment, want people to stop playing because "it's not meant to be played like this"?
@haruhirogrimgar6047
@haruhirogrimgar6047 2 года назад
@@wariolandgoldpiramid You are part of the reason Splattoon and Animal Crossing can intentionally f"ck over players.
@MegaZeta
@MegaZeta 2 года назад
This comment doesn't seem to engage with one of the video's main points: that "short challenges for short bursts of activity" is one of the series strong suits, and that's *_not_* what happens here. Instead, you're given too many rewards for doing things that don't rise to that level-incidental and insubstantial.
@robkies
@robkies 2 года назад
@@wariolandgoldpiramid i played the game and finished it in a few hours it's short as hell yes, it was a rushed run, but that's because i wanted to see more worlds, but the game basically punishes you for being curious and leaving worlds too quickly other mario games don't make you leave levels too quickly, requiring X stars to continue, while here if it says like "10 moons for the next world" the game will last a lot less if i collect the stars required to just end the game in mario 64 the game wants you to collect at least 70 stars to finish the game and it's still gonna take a while for casual players, while mario odyssey, for casual players, it's gonna last a few hours only (i finished it in like 5 or 6 hours, a casual player)
@switchgeer6519
@switchgeer6519 Год назад
i think the captain toad moons could've been so much more interesting simply by copying the idea for the levels from 3d world. When you talk to toad maybe you play as him as he recollects how he got to where he is now from the start of the kingdom. the kingdom may have to be built slightly differently but it'd be a nice bit of theming to his moons.
@sweetssandbox3526
@sweetssandbox3526 5 месяцев назад
You could even have separate specific mini levels that look like a simplified version of the main level but fit a treasure tracker style gameplay for this. Since it would be a recollection in Toad’s imagination simplifying could definitely work and could bring some of the fun 2.5d Mario stuff to the 3D stuff. (Miyamoto has been ignoring my calls)
@michaelkindt3288
@michaelkindt3288 2 года назад
@2:01-.-One could say… MaRiO NeVeR qUiTe MaDe ThE jUmP tO 3-D!!!!! (Internal Sonic fan crying.)
@thecondescendingjosh4257
@thecondescendingjosh4257 3 года назад
The problem with Super Mario Odyssey, that isn't painfully obvious on a first playthrough, is that the game feels unfocused. The first time around(when the game launched) I wanted to collect everything, and so I did. The second time I picked up the game(about 6 months ago) I started playing and was enjoying my time, but there was something off that eventually made me stop playing. I then realised that most of the moons(except for a very, VERY few exceptions) aren't memorable. As long as you find enough, you're able to move forward. I haven't played Super Mario 64 in quite a long time but I still remember racing Koopa the Quick, fighting King Bob-omb, the monkey that steals your hat, helping the snowman get his body...the list goes on, and I can barely remember the rabbits in Odyssey. The game gives you a lot of freedom, but that freedom makes the game feel unfocused and somewhat uninspired. Sure, there's a gazillion moons to collect...but you can stumble upon one and that's that... mission accomplished, I guess - except it didn't feel like a mission, nor an accomplishment. Super Mario Odyssey is still a good game, don't get me wrong, but better than its predecessors...it is not.
@pileofsand8756
@pileofsand8756 3 года назад
Well said.
@Mqstodon
@Mqstodon 3 года назад
I mean that could also be becaue odissey has more moons, which makes it more difficult to remember them since you collect so many.
@carlotta4th
@carlotta4th 3 года назад
You have to keep in mind that some of that is nostalgia, though. Sure no one is going to remember the "jumprope forever" moons, but kids will remember other ones and how tricky they were to get to. And they may be just as nostalgic about those as you are about the games you grew up with.
@Swampert444
@Swampert444 3 года назад
I disagree with most of these points and think is has great moon design past some filler ones and is very inspired and well made and the best Mario game ever made and created too
@Salieri01
@Salieri01 3 года назад
Muddy120 well you are fucking wrong
@Vinimous
@Vinimous 6 лет назад
"Its Like having Chris Pratt as your online boyfriend" that's *REALLY* specific Joe, you want to talk about something?
@jayvee5686
@jayvee5686 Год назад
I agree that it goes for nonstop positive feedback, and that it isn't challenging. Those Dark of the Moon stages are a bit of a challenge though. It's really though just a refinement of Mario 64, whereas Breath of the Wild was something new. In Ocarina, every item was just a key. The boomerang hit switches that opened up doors, hookshot enabled the player to reach previously unreachable ledges and paths forward. BotW made the overworld the game, not just an interim between dungeons. You could climb anything. It was a breath of fresh air, and I had a better time with it than Odyssey. Odyssey really wasn't anything revelatory. It was Mario 64 with amazing controls and some visually fun areas. I will say that I felt very upbeat and great while playing it, but that was mostly due to the controls. That cap throw, air lunge forward, air cap bounce, air lunge forward combo move felt great to perform. I don't know how they do it, but Nintendo really makes it feel good to run and jump. Their physics engine or whatever you'd call it just feels really easy to use
@luiegiii
@luiegiii Год назад
The only move I’m aware of that requires motion controls is the upwards hat throw. I have tried various input it s but could not trigger it. The spin throw can be triggered by doing a 2-3 turns of the joystick and then pressing Y. He should start spinning then you can throw the hat and he will do a 360 degree hat toss. You can use the spin whenever you want and jump and it will give a super spin jump which has a slower fall speed. There is a hat toss where he throws cappy straight ahead but cappy is on its side which can be triggered by doing a butt slam followed by a hat toss during the same frames you would normally trigger a super jump. You can’t be holding crouch though or it will just trigger a roll. If you do it correctly you can trigger the variant of the forward throw. Lastly, if you hold crouch during the butt slam, hold forward on the joystick, then press Y as soon as you hit the ground you can trigger a super roll which goes twice as fast as usual and is pretty amazing for getting around quickly.
@DanielSantosAnalysis
@DanielSantosAnalysis 6 лет назад
Just finished the video, it was worth a moon.
@ClassicKrusty
@ClassicKrusty 6 лет назад
Shintai Just one? U can trip over ur shoelaces and find one moon.
@GermanPeter
@GermanPeter 6 лет назад
You also posted a comment, that's a moon as well.
@gamerchief7740
@gamerchief7740 6 лет назад
Shintai exactly just one A filler one
@hubblebublumbubwub5215
@hubblebublumbubwub5215 6 лет назад
Started the video, got a moon Something appears on screen, got a moon Joseph starts talking, got a moon Joseph has completed a sentence, got a moon
@DeadSpaceWing
@DeadSpaceWing 6 лет назад
I watched this 2 hour video for one stinking moon? Not worth it. Disliked.
@Gehab
@Gehab 6 лет назад
Absolutely amazing video. I don't agree with 90% of what you said, but it's very interesting to see your point of view in such a well written manner.
@hej2k3
@hej2k3 6 лет назад
Who, or better yet, WHAT are you? I am hesitant to believe that a human being in 2018 would meet an opposing online argument with such a mild temper and open-mindedness. Take a hike robutt.
@KimiJimiJames
@KimiJimiJames 6 лет назад
My thoughts exactly. I disagree with most of the video but I learned and became able to contextualize so much more about Mario games and how they compare.
@Fispell
@Fispell 6 лет назад
You're an inspiration to humanity everywhere
@spirit_504
@spirit_504 6 лет назад
what is this creature, being nice?! nAnI???!!
@Tubular_dude_20y_ago
@Tubular_dude_20y_ago 6 лет назад
I agree he was pretty harsh on odyssey but it was a good video
@YouLoseAgain812
@YouLoseAgain812 Год назад
16:30 when you notice Joseph Anderson predicted the voice actor for the Super Mario Bros Movie
@cubiccentral4480
@cubiccentral4480 11 месяцев назад
You make a lot of valid points but goddamn you're hard to please
@baronyfan
@baronyfan 3 часа назад
My main issue is when he starts talking about the Yoshi posessions, bounding races, "secret moons" or minigames being filler and then he has fun with the RC car one and is disappointed in himself for having fun? I'm currently majorly ill but at least even in this state I am not that cynical.
@FrancisGX
@FrancisGX 6 лет назад
At first I was like “why is he spending so much time on the moons?” And then I remembered that’s the whole game o_O
@DuskLegend
@DuskLegend 6 лет назад
Francis Gabriel Xavier exactly so why even play it if you’re going to have such a problem with getting them
@minihjalte
@minihjalte 6 лет назад
Dusk Legend because the game can still be interesting to critique and analyse?
@user-or1xu7fy1s
@user-or1xu7fy1s 4 года назад
@@DuskLegend He explained that.
@antimatter3084
@antimatter3084 5 лет назад
The video went over every type of moon but that wasn't good enough, I want a detail analysis of every 880 moon, the location, and how to get the moon.
@ghamdi477
@ghamdi477 7 месяцев назад
I played/beat/enjoyed this game during my time working on an offshore drilling rig.. it was my escape from the harsh environment.. had I played it at home though I would have not enjoyed it as much due to your observations which I totally agree with
@Iggy_Dogg
@Iggy_Dogg Год назад
man I'm ngl when I first watched this video off the heels of finishing up odyssey and I rage-clicked it. the video pissed me off. the past 4 years have been very informative to me and now this is one of my favorite video essays. Both BotW and Odyssey disappointed me in a huge way even though I had a lot of fun throughout. Your essays rock, probably the best ones focused on video games on all of youtube. Thank you.
@aturchomicz821
@aturchomicz821 Год назад
Mature moment
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