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SUPER RARE!! Dash 8

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In November 2010, I went up to Ottumwa to watch trains like I normally do. Waiting for Amtrak, I hear the dispatcher give Amtrak a warrant across the IC&E junction west of the station. That's when I hear the dispatcher address "Amtrak A-M-T-K 503 five zero three..." A DASH 8!! I couldn't believe it! Thank goodness I had my video camera along this time (I'd been taking still photos a lot at the time)! Sure enough, the train pulled in with Dash 8-32BWH #503 in the lead, followed by P42's #125 and #25. Apparently, after I briefly talked to the engineer who got off at Ottumwa, #503 was placed on the train after having problems with one of the Genesis units. I'm guessing it was put on the train in California as I seem to recall 503 is based there (?). Nevertheless, it was a sight to behold! It's extremely rare to see these engines on the Zephyr, not to mention leading. In fact, this was the first time I've seen a different engine besides Genesis leading an Amtrak train in at least 13 years. Since I mainly watch trains around the midwest, Genesis has pretty much been all I've seen since they replaced the F40's in the late 1990's, so this was a nice change!
This was my first video to top 100,000 views. Thanks everybody!
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@AS768 12 лет назад

Wow, that is harder to come by than a Dash-8 on the Chief, and that never happens. Glad you covered it!

@JNXT_Railroad 4 года назад

Cool! I have fond memories of #503 - she was the trailing unit behind Genesis #81 on the Empire Builder back in June 2013. Nice to see her leading!

@CoasterFan2105 13 лет назад

@AMTK510 "507 is on 798/799, as it has been for months" Well...maybe only 1 month ;)

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 12 лет назад

The engines are connected to eachother with MU, or "multiple unit", cables. Basically when engines are MU'd together, or "lashed up", all of the trailing units will do whatever the engineer is making the lead engine do, be it throttle setting, brake application, headlights, etc. In a lashup, all of the engines operate as one, and because of that the trailing units don't require an additional crew - they're all operated by the engineer in the lead unit.

@robfire820 10 лет назад

I have seen the Dash 8's on the Kansas City /St Louis Mule quite often when I get that way.

@tomlayton3062 8 лет назад

Didja notice? The previous engineer's gear disappears the second the nose door on the lead engine is closed. Magical!

@66NEETS 11 лет назад

-tones my voice to a K5LA-

@backstagebanana3054 11 лет назад

That's quite a sight to see! I've seen #505 come through San Diego a couple of times, but we mostly have the F59's leading our Amtrak trains.

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 13 лет назад

@jfsa380 The reason Amtrak has the Pepsi Cans is that Amtrak wanted some new engines before the first Genesis units' design was finalized. To make the engines ready to use as soon as possible, GE just used their already existing Dash 8 freight carbody and basically added HEP and other Amtrak specs. I agree the Dash 8's are awesome and it's too bad they don't come out of the yards more often. They surely can, though, because I believe all 20 are still in operation, somewhere on the Amtrak system!

@LostOzarkRambler 14 лет назад

Looks like you were in the right place at the right time. Nice job!

@saints093 5 лет назад

Nice K5LA horn on #503, love me some K5LA horn too :)

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 12 лет назад

Don't worry, I think we'd all like to see those again! During Train Festival last year in Rock Island, railfans flocked to see the Nebraska Zephyr's exursion train just as if it was a steam engine. You could barely get down the road that was along the tracks there were so many of them!

@AMTK510 13 лет назад

Nice catch! HaHa, this is a daily occurance for us here in Cali. We have 503, 505, 507, 509 and 510 based here. 503 is on #3 third unit right now, due into SoCal tommorow morning. 509 is 2nd unit on #11 due into SoCal tonight. 507 is on 798/799, as it has been for months. 510 is working Cascades Service in Oregon/WA. and who knows what 505 is up to. Nice Video!!!

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 11 лет назад

Two main reasons: One, this train (California Zephyr) eventually reaches mountains (Rockies and Sierras), so it will need two units once it reaches them. Second, thanks to Amtrak's "state of good repair" maintenance, the locomotives often fail en route, so many trains have two units to prevent a train from being stranded, even if the route isn't along mountains.

@larryrwendelljr4465 11 лет назад

Nice catch

@jamesshanks2614 7 лет назад

The Amtrak 500 series GE 8-32 locomotive's are officially used as yard power, for MOW trains and on occasion to fill in for ailing P42 class engines. The 8-32 engines have the same HEP capability as the P42's do 1100 KW 800 horsepower for light heat and air conditioning on the trains.with only 3200 horsepower available that leaves 2400 horsepower to move the locomotive and train. Still better than a dead engine and a cold freezing train.they were the first modern power Amtrak purchased after the U30CH's they had so much trouble with. These have been relatively trouble free.

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 12 лет назад

@countrymusicgtavboy2 When they were in their original as-delivered paint schemes, they got that nickname because the Amtrak livery resembled the styling of a Pepsi can. The Dash 8's were the only units that were painted that way. Today they've all been repainted.

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 11 лет назад

Yes - it spreads more of the weight of the engine out along the wheels, making for a smoother ride and it also reduces wear on the track.

@TheRealGalaxyExpress999 10 лет назад

Amtrak dash 8's are beautiful!

@shariys1 12 лет назад

This is quite interesting. I don't know anything about train engines (this looks like a good place to learn), but it was cool watching this train since I've been on it quite a few times in the past, but not recently. Makes me want to jump onboard and go somewhere. I miss it!

@steamy1225 11 лет назад

You are right about being rare. Back in July 2011 I've seen 2 of the Dash 8's here in Michigan ,# 517 and 519. something i never seen in Michigan. Defanatlly rare.

@AmtrakTitan455 13 лет назад

Great catch. It would have been an even rarer catch if one of the AM Cal Dash 8s was leading the train.

@EMDSD14R 12 лет назад

i see the 512, the 513, and the 514 and a 4th unit almost all the time at 30th street..i even saw one of the units pull a cab car at 1 am past my house..it woke me up because the sound of these units is different then the P42's..if it was a P42 i would have stayed asleep..lol..awesome video!!

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 11 лет назад

Amtrak 512 is indeed a Dash 8. They are numbered 500, 503-519.

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 12 лет назад

@supersurfliner I think more of them are used in LA (507 and 510 are based there, I think). Not sure how many they have at Emeryville/Oakland. Caltrans has their two (2051 and 2052), and one of them actually led the Zephyr once years ago.

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 11 лет назад

Something went wrong with the first P42 (#125) that prevented it from leading, however it apparently could still run. I guess they didn't have enough time to swap #25 on to the front so they tacked the Dash 8 on instead.

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 11 лет назад

Thanks!

@singletrackmatt 12 лет назад

Ive seen a UP SD9044 on point with 2 P42's and all passanger cars, in Grand Junction, CO. One of the Genesis units burst a coolant hose near Green River Utah, so they picked up some well needed power. I worked for a hotel where I had to pick up the engeneers that were being switched out. Wish i could have filmed it. Gread vid by the way.

@jerrywilliams8292 5 лет назад

Nothing will ever look and sound better than a high wheel steam engine hauling a passenger train. This is my perspective after 46 yeasts in engine service, 8 of which were during the steam era. Jerry Williams retired S P engineer

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 12 лет назад

I believe it's a K5LA, just like on Genesis P42's. However, since the horn is in a different position on these units it sounds a little different.

@NorthlandTrains 11 лет назад

I saw #503 on the Empire Builder three different times, it wasn't leading when I saw it, but it was still a great site nonetheless! :)

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 12 лет назад

The California Zephyr needs two engines to get through the Rockies and the Sierra Nevada mountains - on a normal day there'd just be two engines, but once in a while you'll see three. A lot of times when you see three engines, one isn't running, and it's usually because it's being relocated on the Amtrak system, heading to Chicago for repairs, etc. In this instance, the Dash 8's engine wasn't running but was leading the train because the 2nd engine couldn't lead due to some sort of problem.

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 12 лет назад

There are two variations of the Dash 8. The six axle versions are the Dash 8-40C and 40CW's, four axle versions are the Dash 8-40B, Dash 8-40BW, and in this case Dash 8-32BWH. The "C" or "B" in the model designation tells you whether it's four axles (B-B) or six axles (C-C).

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 13 лет назад

@jfsa380 The Dash 8's only have 3200 horsepower, versus 4200 on the Genesis units, so they aren't quite as powerful and would be more suited to short-haul trains. In the past, though, before the Genesis engines arrived, they ferequently pulled long distance trains such as the Coast Starlight and Southwest Chief, so they certianly are capable. The cabs probably aren't much different as far as controls, they both have desktops which I don't think engineers like as much as control stands.

@saints093 10 лет назад

I've seen the Dash 8 locomotive on the Crescent a few times, but I do like the P-42 diesel locomotives, but I wish the P-42's had the flashing strobe lights on top like the F40-PH diesels had, that would be cool. :)

@jaysmith1408 9 лет назад

After significant protest from the engine crews, they were removed. Apparently they got headaches from the strobe effect all day.

@NRP589 12 лет назад

@roccotoothycombs i know, i just love the different look of the dash 8. They look like they took a freight locomotive and just painted em' silver and blue!

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 13 лет назад

Yeah I know - what's interesting is I remember seeing a picture of one leading the Zephyr west out of Chicago a few years ago, so it is known to happen!! That would be sweet!

@CoasterFan2105 13 лет назад

@AMTK510 C'mon, just havn' a bit of fun mate!

@JungleYT 5 лет назад

Even as a kid, it was kind of scary walking up toward the Engines... Still, get that weak feeling in my knees, even today! - 3:34 Those old Santa Fe F-9's could fire off the pneumatics without warning. Like a shot gun!!!

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 13 лет назад

@HoosierLine They might be. From looking at the video, the gates were only fully down 13 seconds before the train hit the crossing. What's even worse is that sometimes people STILL go around the gates in front of the train. The same day I filmed this, I got a BNSF work train and a car went around the gates right in front of it.

@1stComidy 10 лет назад

saw a few days ago a dash 8 leading the 2012 anniversery loco

@NSWSteamFan 5 лет назад

Lily from Rails of Meadow Hill/Tales on Springfield Railroad? YES!!!

@funkmasterbeavis 3 года назад

What is rails of meadow hill?

@ripwtc91101 10 лет назад

the Dash-8's were used a lot in my neck of the woods on the Keystone Corridor last year theyre still using a couple of them

@schrap72 12 лет назад

Love those Dashes!!!!

@briggsjos 12 лет назад

I still see F40's making round trips between Chicago, IL and Pontiac, MI via Wolverine line

@aidennies7966 12 лет назад

2:27- Awesome shot! Nice video cool catch.

@Cnw8701 12 лет назад

Yeah, I've actually seen one of the only remaining Phase 4-painted B32-8BWH units in New Orleans!

@gentryrailroadvideography2990 6 лет назад

I love those Dash 8's!

@jonathanburrowaz 12 лет назад

Train crews usually carry some type of suitcase or luggage with them when on the road. I see this all of the time when train crews change.

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 13 лет назад

@theorangelemons I agree. I think now that there are more trains on Amtrak's corridors (like California, midwest, Pacific NW, etc) that the Dash 8's are working passenger trains more often. Really, they're just as good as the Genesis engines except they only have 3200 horsepower, but that's plenty to run a short train.

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 11 лет назад

Yep, they were numbered in the 500's and 600's.

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 12 лет назад

Yes, that's what Amtrak calls them.

@TEMAOHI2787 13 лет назад

L-O-V-E Dash 8 Amtraks!!!

@bwood-en8by 3 года назад

Fun fact, this is the first video I watched on RU-vid, and the first train video I seen on RU-vid

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 13 лет назад

@TheMattsbro Yeah they look pretty cool. I've always been a fan of Genesis myself but the older F40's and Dash 8's are awesome too.

@briggsjos 12 лет назад

I see a Dash 8 at least once a week pull into the Pontiac, MI yard. Amtrak is slowly phasing out the Dash 8's across the country due to fuel efficiency and speed improvements.It's be nice if they could keep a few trains and just add them on a heritage route schedule.

@JoshuaTheTransitProdigy 6 лет назад

**Subscriber #16,505** Nice catch and continue doing what you do best!

@AsthMattic 8 лет назад

Hey there! Just wanted to drop you a comment because Im here at San Diego Downtown (old Santa Fe depot) and the 503 is sitting right here in front of me. I looks it up and found your video, its so cool to know how long this loco has been in service and how far its traveled away from home! Still looks great and sounds great! Ill take a picture on Instagram - username is AsthMattic over there too, thanks for this video!

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@Millenniumforce 12 лет назад

I enjoyed your video. Subbed you!!!!

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 12 лет назад

A lot of differences. First, the ES44AC is uses AC traction motors while the Dash 8's are DC. The newer Evolution diesels also are equipped with a GEVO-12 engine, and the Dash 8's had the older FDL-series. The technology is also somewhat dated, since these particular units were from the early 1990's.

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 13 лет назад

@trainmad345678 They're mainly used as switchers in Chicago, Los Angeles and maybe the Auto Train terminals as well. When they are put into service on regular Amtrak trains, they usually run the Coast Starlight, occasional midwest corridor trains and sometimes the Auto Train. They hardly ever operate around where I watch trains, so that's why I hadn't seen one in such a long time around here.

@radanju2 11 лет назад

So freaking cool!

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 13 лет назад

@TheMattsbro Most people would probably say an F40, but since Amtrak doesn't run any anymore that's not an option. I don't know whether the Dash 8's have had reliability issues like Genesis or not.

@WideWorldofTrains 10 лет назад

Very cool train video

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 11 лет назад

True, the engines themselves may not be rare, but besides the Coast Starlight, it's pretty unusual to see these leading a long distance train, especially the Zephyr. I don't think one has led the Zephyr since I shot this, and that's been almost 3 years ago.

@highmountainflyer 12 лет назад

dude thats really beast and lucky! my dad has dash 8 #505 from atlas in ho scale

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 13 лет назад

@jpsmith81 Also, Amtrak's Dash 8's have HEP, but not the freight varients like the Dash 8-40BW.

@kennethattenhofer4967 6 лет назад

Amtrak needed engines so bad, when these were ordered,they agreed to accept modified freight engines until the proper passenger engines could be delivered. I saw these powering the City of New Orleans and the Sunset, when they first came out.

@0927145 10 лет назад

I would love to see an F40PH do the same thing once and a while!!!!

@jaysmith1408 9 лет назад

Except amtrak does not even own a single F40PH that still has an engine in it.

@wyliesdiesels1 12 лет назад

Just had a Dash 8 pull my San Joaquin train from Modesto to Emeryville last week. DOnt remember what # it was :/ I was quite surprised to see it pull into the station when i was expecting the usual F59(i believe). It was awesome!

@douglasalan5783 6 лет назад

That's a LOT of power on this train. I wonder if one of the P42s was deadheading.

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 6 лет назад

Actually, the Dash 8 was "deadheading" in a way. Something happened to lead P42 #125 in California to the point it couldn't lead anymore. I guess they thought they wouldn't have time to swap the 2nd unit to the front, and the Dash 8 was nearby so they put it on the front instead. Although the engineer is operating the train and running the horn and bell from the Dash 8, the actual engine in the locomotive isn't running. The P42's are still doing all the work.

@Redeagle52000 12 лет назад

Because there are only 25 of these on the entire system and they tend to be be congregated for certain assignments. However, they sometimes are to be found leading or in trail on the Zephyr here, or the Southwest Chief...as stated above in the photographer's comments...a RARITY among the generic GE P42DC Genesis units. Generally this is done on account of power failure, or, of course, "positioning moves" when they need to head back east to Amtrak's Beech Grove Shops for scheduled heavy rbld, etc

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 12 лет назад

I'm pretty sure it was the engineer's that was getting off (I edited it out I think)

@aidennies7966 12 лет назад

4:10 cool shot too.

@evanwaters1074 8 лет назад

Awesome! Amtrak seems to have these stationed in large cities, with some in Chicago. AMTK 500, the first one, is stationed in Chicago, where it goes on the Hiawatha. IDK where the others are, but I do believe all of them are still running.

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 8 лет назад

You are correct, I believe all 20 are in operation. A few other places I know that they're stationed: Los Angeles, the Pacific Northwest (Cascades), the Northeast (they operate on the Pennsylvanian quite a bit), and the Auto Train terminals (Lorton, VA, Sanford, FL). Also, the state of California owns two, 2051 and 2052 (former Amtrak 501 and 502) for operation on the San Joaquin and Capitol Corridor in the San Francisco area.

@evanwaters1074 8 лет назад

Bobby Harvey It surprises me that a locomotive of 103MPH is allowed to go onto the NE Corridor. They don't operate the section between Harrisburg and Pittsburgh, they operate the whole thing. And I believe the Dash-8 in the Pacific NW is located in Seattle, since The Empire Builder, Coast Starlight, Cascades, Sounder North and South, Rocky Mountaineer, and Link Light Rail all have their termini at King Street Station. So if anywhere, it would be there.

@nessrinekabbani7027 7 лет назад

The Aviating Railfanner

@Joepenstein 11 лет назад

Amtrak also has electric locomotives? Nice video by the way!

@znerks1 12 лет назад

the Pere Marquette from grand rapids to Chicago for years has had Dash 8 pulling the train and yes it had superliner cars

@PaulMauser 10 лет назад

One goes by my house everyday and has a new paint job too.

@MrOLearyoftheTug 13 лет назад

love that horn

@adrianneils2727 7 лет назад

About the only difference from the freight haulers are the trucks, bolsters and wheel setups on these. Normally they have 3 axle per. The body looks pretty much the same.

@ratladyroch 8 лет назад

Do you work at Amtrak? Are components of this train's engine/locomotive similar to the Dash 8 plane?

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 8 лет назад

I don't work on the railroad, just a fan :) The Dash 8 locomotives are totally different from the Dash 8 plane. The locomotives were built by GE in Erie, Pennsylvania and are powered by a 12 cylinder diesel engine. The Dash 8 planes were built by Bombardier.

@EWM27 14 лет назад

Nice catch bro!

@sahidullah 6 лет назад

Amtrak P32DC #503 with P42s #125 and #25 near highway bridge stops for minutes at the station.

@sahidullah 6 лет назад

Amtrak P32 train leads locmotive P42s and and baggage car and superliners at Ottumwa, IA with another highway bridge.

@CJ_Voorheesville Год назад

Also we mostly have P32 ACDMs Leading Mostly all Empire Service Trains in the 145 Paint scheme And also leading the Ethan Allen Express and P42s Leading the lakeshore limited

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 12 лет назад

This is true, but it isn't every day you see one leading the Zephyr, that's what I meant by "super rare".

@blackstone1a 12 лет назад

i saw a tripple header amtrak with this as the 3rd engine

@TrainsNStuff 6 лет назад

Nice! Although, those dash 8's are trash runners, they look and sound amazing!

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 13 лет назад

You'd probably need two, becasue the Amtrak Dash 8's only have 3200 horsepower. I'm sure the 6400 horsepower of two combined would be plenty to pull a long distance train, though. It would also be a little more economical than two P42's. In actuality, Amtrak really only needs one Genesis on most long distance runs, but there's always at least two in case something happens to one of them, which happens a lot. Some trains like the Texas Eagle and City of New Orleans only run with a single unit.

@Tremolux59 11 лет назад

I was once on an Amtrak Capitol which was powered by a Dash 8.

@Engine201 13 лет назад

what a great K5LA

@ThatCanadianGuy-e1p 10 лет назад

Ottumwa! The birth place of Radar O'reilly.

@ThatCanadianGuy-e1p 13 лет назад

Great video.

@jaysmith1408 13 лет назад

@theorangelemons agreed, i think that the Dash-8's look absolutely gorgeous, and give Amtrak a very utilitarian look. kinda like, 'y'all french people got your streamlines, we Americans have this, and we mean business'

@joeymccoy2314 7 лет назад

I still don't know why does Dash 8s never lead any other trains besides The Coast Starlight, and the Pennsylvanian??? And sometimes on the Silver Meteor.

@BobbyHarveyVideoProductions 7 лет назад

I think it's because these trains originate in places where there aren't as many extra locomotives like, say, Chicago for instance. Fewer locomotives means these units will occasionally pull trains because at times there may not be any other choices. There are several Dash 8s in Chicago, but they don't get out as much because there are plenty of P42s around, instead they're mostly used for switching.

@UnionPacificfilms 11 лет назад

Nice Catch!

@66NEETS 11 лет назад

AND I saw a video with that kind of engine behind of P42DCs on the silver meteor in tampa backing up...you heard me right...THAT KIND OF DASH 8 BEHIND P42S and those types of engines used to be called pepsi cans

@k5elevencinc0 13 лет назад

@randomguy652 thats the sound of the belt that drives the air compressor, i love that sound to, "WHOOOPP"...*then compressor comes in* dDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD lol.