Super Saiyan 4 VS Super Vegito Isn't Close 

It really wouldn't make any sense that Vegito would be stronger than him anyway, since Goku in GT is far superior to bother Vegeta and Goku from the Buu Saga and what's with the hate of GT too

The hate for GT is insane to the point of a man making a video saying that a DBZ transformation is stronger than the sequel at the time. Ill be the first to admit the flaws in GT but damn it man, when I say most ppl bandwagon hate GT because of Super im proven right every passing day.

Absolute truth.

I am kinda glad to hear SSJ4 is so strong. I never got deep into GT or Super. But I prefer SSJ4 over Blue in terms of design.

Personally I think gt was amazing, almost better then z, its really dumb to hate gt. Like if u agree.

GT haters back at it again. A more logical discussion from his part would be discussing if a Vegito from the Buu Saga would be stronger than a theoretical Goku that achieved SS4 during the Buu Saga. These downplayers are actually fucking stupid. They ignore scaling to suit a narrative they already built

Geekdom and another guy made a video talking about this some time ago. I’m glad it was made, as I am with this video. Saiyan Scholar has that distinct humour unique to only him.

The fact that this video had to be made AT ALL really shows how much die-hard fans will twist information for their own gain. No one complained when Gohan was stronger than Freeza, and no one complained when SSG Goku was considered stronger than Vegito. GROW UP. Even without guides and powered scaling, it's so obvious that SSJ4 Goku is stronger than Vegito that it's blinding. That's just the way power creep works in anime.

Crazy how people actually believe ssj4 is weaker

I'm glad this fan spits out the facts

Bruh, the SSJ4 feats were incredible during the GT saga, I mean not all the time, but still powerful, kinda reminded me of super Broly. But, Any character from Z or any form from Z, is severely left behind by GT, or even the End of Z Goku. Love this

You shouldn't really have to debate something like this though, right? Wouldn't all of Goku's progress in GT feel redundant if he was still weaker than Vegito? It should be a question of character development or story progression, not scans and statements. Great video tho

The crazy part about this guide is that if you use it strictly for multipliers and not as a Vegetto vs SSJ4 Goku comparison but just Potara vs SSJ4, this would make SSJ4 relative to fusion while SSJB has been shown to be weaker then it. Yet I bet these people would claim SSJB > SSJ4 and use this as evidence.

Vegitto needed Super Saiyan to break Boo's dimensional collaps attack. Super Boo with Gohan absorbed is like 3 times Boo considering Boo and Gotenks were about even and Gohan couldn't do shit against Bootenks. In GT Goten was confident he could beat Baby who he stated to be stronger than anyone he faced. For the sake of argument, let's say that's Super Boo only and Goten still needed Super Saiyan. When Baby took over Goten's body he bacame about 2 times as strong as Super Boo at minimum and he was still not able to push Gohan to Super Saiyan. They were about even. Gohan had to turn Super Saiyan when Baby threatened to destroy the planet. Now you have GT Gohan in base who is stronger than Goten who is about as strong as Super Boo and he transforms into a Super Saiyan. And then teams up with Goten against Goku. Goku schools in Base 51 Super Boos. How many Super Boo's can Vegito beat as a Super Saiyan in the Boo Saga? Like does that seem like Vegito can beat a Super Saiyan 4? Baby Vegeta in just Super Saiyan was giving SSJ3 GT Goku a fight. And said Baby transformed twice absorbing ki far greater than 51 Super Boo's on top of his at least 51 times 400 Super Boo power. And Super Saiyan 4 Goku took his strongest attack without a scratch.

No doubt GT goku fighting a whole force of SIGMA's, already puts him above anything Vegito has done. To defeat that many people who are Sigmas is insane. RIP Sigma grindset

no GT hater is safe from the sayan scholar.

I’m proud that at least one DB RU-vidr has a brain

i love ssj4 the primal power... SSJb is such a joke same with UI...

Honestly this person not to be disrespectful but he likes to downplay on GT characters Like Vegito being stronger than ssj4 goku or ssj god goku Be more superior than ssj4 gogeta

What a dumb take

The only point I disagree is the 200x multiplier from end of Z to GT... That's not how it works, if goku turns 400x stronger from boo saga to EoZ it means he was close to 2x a year (about 1.82x to be axact) because he gets stronger on top of his current power, and It grows exponentially. So if goku was evolving the same rate as before, in 5 years he would be about 20 times stronger... Yes, just 20 (and It makes sense because this is 5 years, and 20 X 20 is 400 wich is the 10 years multiplier) it works like this because it exponetial. But still ssj4 goku from gt is clearly stronger than boo saga vegetto, the gyide is just talking about The multiplier and a hypothetical ssj4 in the boo saga.

Yea I think it's easy to just forget that there's a time difference of like 15years between Buu Saga and start of GT. In 15years base Goku would have jumped miles beyond Super Vegito in Z. That said, if they were on the same playing field. Obviously Vegito would be stronger, not only because there's 2 beings, but also that at that point Vegito would also have access to SSJ4 making it entirely destroy SSJ4.

I believe fusion is like x100 of the fuse users into one. In DB Legends, 2nd anniversary story mode, Super Full Power Saiyan 4 Goku (GT) was able to move at least fast as Fused Zamasu. Assuming if the Full Power SS4 is x10 of SS4, then SS4 Goku (GT) is definitely much stronger than SS Vegito (Buu saga).

Fun fact : GT Goku is way older than Super Goku

Bro people still say naruto solos dbz you’ll never escape this battle

True, even despite you've proven it to them, they'll still refuse it and defend their own to the death. Probably they might hurt their ego.

And yet look at ppl now trying to make it seem that ssg goku would beat ss4 goku lmao

Half way thru the vid and I can see now that dbs goku doesn’t stand a single inch of a chance against gt goku, I always knew gt goku was stronger but I didn’t he was this much stronger

Dragon Ball Super is a casual continuaty.

This comparation makes no sense as Vegito is a fusion between Goku and Vegeta. For starters, why would we even compare Buu saga Vegito with GT Goku ss4 which is after the Buu saga? It's like you compare Vegito with ssb Goku which again makes no sense since that's in DBS and Goku already has god ki. Now that part... why would you compare Vegito with Goku instead of Vegito with GT Vegito? I know you ain't got one but since we're talking theory, just invent one, based on ss4 GT Gogeta, so the comparation actually makes sense because technically DBZ Vegito post Buu saga would be much stronger than ssj4 GT Goku. But again... you're making a comparation which makes no sense, it's like saying DBS ssb Goku is stronger than Buu saga ss3 Goku ... it's omega obvious. Absolutely no response was necessary imo.

i just started the video and first 10 seconds in and dude making the claim that vegito is equal to super saiyan 4 goku is way off... ultra vegito would give ssj 4 a challenge though.

Ssj3 lowballed GT Goku is already stronger than base Z Vegito at the very beginning. If base z is 125x stronger than ssj3, and base gt = base ssj3 (at beginning) then...actually no, an ssj3 END OF Z goku would be stronger than base z vegito. Not taking into account even the first arc of GT. In fact, if he got 200x stronger by the start of GT, he'd already be stronger than an ssj3 vegito in ssj3. (200x ssj3 goku/EoZ goku, then 400x for ssj3 = 80,000x Z ssj3 goku) Ssj3 First Episode GT Goku > Ssj3 Vegito (using the estimates)

Everyone including me often forget the huge time jumo between thr end of DBZ and start of GT and that goku been training ubb whole time, so question is how much stronger has goku base become in that time jumo from end of Z to start of GT? W example in my mind of fusion strength be kefla when kale and kalifla fused during the TOP and fought goku neither of them were beyond super Saiyan 2 powers alone, both were about were goku and vegeta were when they fused against buu as far as forms go and they at max were able to beat up super Saiyan blue goku and force him to ultra instinct sign, and even then they hung in there against a divine form of the angels, so telling me a maxed of vegito cant hang with ssj4? Hard time believing it , unless u telling me SSJ4 is on par with the power of super Saiyan blue or ultra instinct sign? I highly doubt that, then that saying omega shenron is as powerful as jerin and equal to many of the weaker destroyer gods during the TOP. I dont believe that as he was taken out by a spirit bomb thrown by kid goku, and jerin pushed back and overpowered and 20 times kio ken super Saiyan blue goku spirit bomb and was nowhere near max power doing it.

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DBGT Goku is GOAT: And SS4 Power Boosts through the Series Proves SS4 would Surpass Vegito.

10:16 If anything, this proves just how powerful SSJ4 actually is.

I am so glad you debunk his video even when I was in 3rd grade I always knew SS4 Goku can beat Vegito.

To me, it always was "if Goku and Vegeta fuse into vegetto right now they become stronger than a ssj4 goku or vegeta right now"

Idk why these videos are made who cares who’s stronger both of these forms are epic why can’t we jus enjoy the forms and no turn everything into a video or a debate

I think vegito in z is as strong as gt ssj4 only if you use pre multiplier retcon for portara Being fighter A times fighter B

This Hass to stop I made a lot of videos of it to super Saiyan four goku would even stomp vegito even if vegito went ssj3 I just suggest some of you guys watch geekdom101 and broku 75 They go in a lot of detail into this as well

GT GOKU was an absolute beast as ssj4. I didnt like the "kid goku" angle, but i liked GT

Yeah I agree with you but I see a bigger problem here and it's a problem that surfaced when Dragon Ball super came out it's all about super fans trying to squash GT I mean first of all they called GT non Cannon when it is Canon it is an official continuation of Dragon Ball and this whole Dragon Ball Z Vegito would win against the Super Saiyan 4 Goku from GT it's just another one of those ridiculous statements to play Down GT the super fans and some fans of Dragon Ball want so badly for super to fit into the original continuity of Dragon Ball when it never will Dragon Ball Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT we're all written in stone and there's no changing that at best super is at its best is a skew off timeline like a back to the future reference it doesn't fit into the original continuity of Dragon Ball despite fans wanting it too so badly even though super was a complete flop but I guess I can't blame super solely Dragon Ball Z abridged started this they created the monkey wrench that's super would soon throw into a already working fine engine Dragon Ball Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball GT we're already a great series but in the end fans of super and some Dragon Ball fans will reach out for any bad information or try to twist things or take things that are context for their liking and I noticed a lot of what if scenarios on Dragon Ball that some RU-vidrs use always have Super Saiyan 4 Goku losing out two beerus when that would not be the case Baby Vegeta was way stronger than beerus so a Super Saiyan 4 Goku would squash him I just really wish fans would pay attention to the fact that it was beerus that sealed Elder Kai in the Z sword and in GT Elder Kai said that Baby Vegeta was the strongest presence that he had ever felt so if super fans really want to acknowledge that super is an actual part of the continuity then they must acknowledge GT as well and face the facts that beerus wouldn't stand a snowballs chance against Baby Vegeta let alone Super Saiyan 4 Goku but glad that you debunk a lot of these bold statements that carry no weight you have great videos and content on your RU-vid channel been watching your RU-vid videos for a long time now so keep up the great work.

If vegito appeared instead of gogeta in the shadow dragon saga than yes he would be stronger than gt ssj4 goku but since this is super vegito from buu saga, then no he isnt stronger than gt ssj4 goku. Potara is perhaps stronger than ssj4 form, not stronger than ssj4 Goku.

Why we debating this..ssj4 goku I much more powerful

" Buu sage " don't think other wise Gogeta fans😒

It is easy if Goku in base could beat rildo, then Goku in base could beat kid Buu, then in SSJ Goku would be 50x times stronger than Kid Buu, and in SSJ2 would be x100 times stronger than Kid Buu, and in SSJ3 is 400x times stronger than kid Buu, and in SSJ4 4000x times. surpassing SSJ Vegito for sure.

Kid GT Goku in base was already stronger than the Buu saga cast.

Dude compared 50k kid buu power with 6 sextillion 💀

Something tells me this guy is a SSJ4 fan boy (Profile is a bit of a easy guess) 😐

SS4 Goku stomps the entirety of Z. It's only when people start mentioning DBS that Base Goku post BOG arc solos all of GT.

Didn't Goku used the dragon fist as a SSJ3 in one of the movies with Tapion? I guess not cannon, but still before GT so he knew it.

OHHHH YEAAAHHH OOOOOOHHHHHHH YEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHH OHHH YEAAAAAHHH SSJ 4 Guy!

Z vegito is only comparable to pan from GT XD don't worry she shall kick his ass easily

I knew that Rooster Teeth got it wrong they pitted Fusion Dance Gogeta vs Potara Vegetto. Gogeta should have totally won that fight in SSJ4.

@Saiyan Scholar - As always great video, love seeing these GT shutdown these stupid DBZ Vegetto Fanboys :D GT always gets downplayed where in reality its even more broken than Super.. But apparently im not a proper fan right? because SSJ Vegetto ofc is stronger than SS4 Goku so what do i know...?? LOL But dragon ball fans just cant read and prob never even watched GT and they spout random crap like that :D

I’m a huge ssj4 fanboy it’s my favorite design of all but everyone heavily down plays Vegito potential.. he didn’t need to go above ssj1 against buu. Vegito was about even with buuhan in base, 50x multiplier from ssj1 he was just toying around imagine SSJ3 Vegito going all out. I still think ssj4 goku from GT would win but not easy it would be a good battle

Super is like a separate universe. Which is why bardock and the saiyans as a whole are so different.

They should make another kakarot style dbz but with gt story and add what if scenarios as dlc

Its hard to debate when dragon ball is never consistent. We have clear facts from dragon ball that a BASE vegito was toying with a fused BUU + GOHAN. And Gohan was already on ss3 level since he was dominating buu, so Buhan is way stronger than ss3. That means easily Base vegito > ss3, ss2, ss1. So a SS Vegito should already be way stronger than ss4 and atleast on the level of Saiyan god. Same thing for Gogeta. If dragon ball was consistent, a SSB Gogeta should be too much for even Broly.

Yes I do agree that it pretty much confirms hypothetical Buu Saga SS4 Goku or SS4 Vegeta Would Rival SS1 Vegito. Which Pretty Much confirms that Super Saiyan 4 has a massive multiplier considering that Buu Saga base Vegito was already Dozens of times more powerful than combined the power of Super Saiyan 3 Goku and Super Saiyan 2 Vegeta.. a fusion in Base would always surpass the combined Peak power of the two Fusees. We also have to remember that according to Dragon Ball GT Journal 43, Super Saiyan full power/Grade 4 is stated to be just as powerful as Super Saiyan grade 3 without the drawbacks.. is therefore Super Saiyan grade 4 is actually a 500 times multiplier. 2: I'm well aware of Base Goku being strong in GT but we don't really know how powerful he was in the beginning of Gt.. By Time Rildo Showed up Goku was already Much more Powerful then he was at the beginning of Dragon Ball GT. Even we do not factor ignore buhan and buutenks, because kid buu much Weaker... does not change the fact that Kid buu was clearly much more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 Goku, the fact that he was able to push back the Spirit Bomb supports the Daizenshuu Of Kid Buu Being more powerful then SS3 Goku.. he was simply toying with Goku.. Therefore Gt base Goku when he encountered Rildo would be more powerful than the Buu Saga Spirit Bomb.... either Kid Buu was holding back or he was exponentially adapting and Getting Stronger as He Fought SS3 Goku.. it's interesting to note that the only time kid buu was struggling/Panicing when he was handling the Spirit Bomb before he pushed it back.

Isnt GT noncanon? If that’s the case. SSJ4 Goku ISNT STRONGER than merged fused Ultra Ego Vegeto. Or can we talk about 2013 more?

Vegito could touch super saiyan 4 goku if Vegito turns into super saiyan 4.

People hates GT because it's boring for them so yeah but the sad thing is that funny they try to say GT goku is a glass lvl but he destroyed a whole void but nobody cares... show some attention to GT..

Another theory I have, is the fact that we should take a count that this guide was realise in the late 90's, back in the day, the only reference people got for a potara fusion multiplier was the Daizenshuu's from Toriyama. So by that time, watching Vegito as Goku x Vegeta, instead of Goku + Vegeta x100 (like you say now) it was the most reliable power up from a fusion they had. Now we know it's probably not the case and was not coherent we what we saw, specially in the modern Dragon Ball, but again, if we think in the context of the guide (late 90's) it does make sense that Super Vegito is around the power of Super Saiyan 4 Goku. Just let's take your power levels as an example. If instead of Vegito being the addition plus a 100 times boost from Goku and Vegeta, you multiply their power (again with your own numbers in power, being Goku and Vegeta around 11 Billion) that would make a Super Vegito from the Buu Saga having a power level around 250 Septillion, and when you do compare this power level with the scales the made for DBGT, it's not that far, it's not that crazy. So yes, now in the day with all retcons about fusion and all the new information we know in the modern Dragon Ball franchise, Super Saiyan 4 Goku is far, but like REALLY FAR ahead from Vegito even in Super Saiyan 3 from the Buu Saga, but back in the day, again, with the context on it, I think the guide made sense.

@Saiyan Scholar I agree with this 1 thousand percent and no im not being a hype man but the facts you stated where straight facts but ofc your videos are always facts but this makes since because if gt at the time was a contunion of Z it makes since Ssj4 goku wins why well look at the Transformation Goku in ssj4 is relaxed and has completely control over it never once was he knocked out of the from which makes since since this is the same goku who made super saiyan his base from 10 days before the cell games meaning if he can do that he'd already know how to control ssj4 and ssj4 is Also more of a saiyan from more of a back to the roots kinda from so this makes since why he would not only be stronger but could easily hold his own but also great video I loved it and learned qllt keep it up

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Facts are facts, sequel characters are and MUST be stronger than their previous incarnation so the story can progress and amaze the audience, nuff said

Face the music all you GT haters because guess what..... with Dragon Ball there is NO SUCH THING as NON-CANON. Everything is Canon. Yes. Everything. DBZ/GT/Super/Heroes. It's all canon to their own timelines/stories. Non-canon doesn't exist for Dragon Ball. Deal with it. I like it better this way. It's great. The only thing non-canon is Dragon Ball Evolution and the much older film you should never watch; Dragon Ball The Magic Begins.

My personal view is that SSJ4 should basically be titled as something akin to an ultimate Saiyan form. 'God' if its necessary. Everything else to me is essentially a super saiyan form, and most are needless, they're never adequate as they always need a higher / stronger form. The transformations maybe cool animation and dramatic but as master Roshi did say to Goku in Dragon Ball, 'there's always someone stronger ' so learn humility. SSJ4 often implies throughout the story is that he 'has no limits ' - the indomitable.

People seems to underestimate and forget that base gt goku ( without a tail) in base form is comparable to goku ssj3 in z if not stronger. When gt goku got his tail grow back he achieved a saiyan true potential and boosted all his super saiyan forms. Gt goku ( with a tail) would be much stronger than a ssj3 in z but only half of ssj god as base form x 4000 times when he is a ssj4. I doubt ultra instinct can beat ssj4 unless it become master MI

SSJ3 Vegito > SSJ4 Goku

Look, I'll make an even easier debunk. Goten states Baby when he arrives on Earth is the strongest guy they've faced so far. Goten saw Super Buu. Base Goten > Baby > Super Buu. Buu's absorbtions are additions to his power, so Buuhan is Super Buu + Ultimate Gohan + Piccolo + Goten & Trunks, which effectively totals up to 2.5x Super Buu. That means SSJ Goten when he fought Baby is well over 20x stronger than Buuhan. Base Vegito is relative to Buuhan. Base GT Gohan is stronger than SSJ GT Goten by a significant amount (as Gohan states in subbed that he needs to hold back to not kill his brother). That means Super Vegito is relative to Base GT Gohan. Base GT Goku slapped SSJ GT Gohan. It's not even close. Even taking info from *just* the Baby saga would put Base GT Goku above SSJ3 Z Vegito, nevermind comparing Super Vegito to SSJ4 Goku. Oh, and to top it all off, Goku suggests in the fight with Golden Great Ape Baby that SSJ4 at full strength > a weakened SSJ4 + SSJ3 GT Gotenks, and Base GT Goten / Trunks are *way* more powerful than SSJ3 Buu saga Goku. Plus if you suggest that Kid Buu is the strongest Buu, that digs Vegito's grave even more since that means Base GT Goten is stronger than Buuhan and Base Vegito!

Now Ssj3 Vegetto, can prove trouble for Base Gt Goku though...

I thought everyone agreed using guides in any debate past 2016 was a dumb idea? Apparently not.

I dunno man... Ultra Super Vegito is really kicking my butt when I use SSJ4 Goku in Legends, so maybe there's some truth to it...

im not gone watch this video but there is no form of goku or vegeta stronger then goku x vegeta x more

超サイヤ人4以上の強さかも!? ("Perhaps even stronger than Super Saiyan 4?!") It's a sinless, extra little note just making a point of how vastly awesome and strong Vegito is. Certain fans like to use this to twist arguments for whatever their particular strength debate needs are (saying Buu arc Vegito/Super Vegito ≥ Baby arc SSJ4 Goku), but there's really no sense in getting hung up on it. It's a statement formulated as a question just to be hyperbolic in the actual sense of the term. This kind of stuff is purposefully written vaguely and they're not even committing to the question they're asking.

So ur talking about me

How strong would Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan 4 be?

Canon in super is a funny thing. Toriyama isn't as involved in DB series as he used to be, he just tells Toei and Toyotaro what is the goal of the story and they make anime and manga how they imagine Goku gets there. Half of DBS anime isn't canon, and the same goes to half of the manga. We have things that overlap which we can guess are the instructions Toriyama told both, but everything else isn't canon.

Nice mention of GT vegito.

22:05 Technically, Goku knew Dragon Fist in the Tapion movie

WAIT SHOULDN'T THE FUSION MERGE ONLY THE POWER OF THE BASE LIKE VEGITO =1(base goku) + 1(base vegeta) X100=200 (base vegito) X50 (ssj) =10000 X8(SSJ3 COMPARED TO SSJ) =80000 multuplayer for ssj3

I Dislike Kid Goku in GT. The Goku-only type of fans are the WORST in the franchise.

Power levels fucking suck and make anime/stories/debate boring.

"(A+B) x 100" might be easier to read/understand. There's someone who might skip doing the A+B part first.

Why did they even make that Goku ssj4 model when they didn't wanna make it a playable character? 😭 It looks SOOO fricking good!

Ryu's been on this weird and stupid guides>direct material wave and it's pretty idiotic.

GT timeline kid buu> buuhan=fat buu Uub EOZ>=

You know what dragon ball Gt it's so beyond Because more story it's Hide the dragon ball GT That's why i like dragon ball GT like one all peace series is good Before new gear 5

I don't even like GT and I think the way people downplay the power-scales in it is stupid and ignorant. But wow saying SSJ Vegito is stronger than SSJ4 Goku is ridiculous, still not as ridiculous as this guy who said Krillin (my favorite character) was stronger than SSJ3 Goku since he was able to fight Kid Buu in a filler episode. Those braincells still haven't recovered.

Super Vegito has blonde shiny spiky hair and SSJ4 Goku has black hair though

Here is the thing simple base Goku GT is 10x more powerfull then super vegito

I mean its definitely stronger than buu saga vegeto that dude probably couldn't even do anything against black, this is like saying ssj goku is stronger than kid goku from og series.... like duh?

Easy man easy Ssj4 the multiplier of that form is not just =ssj3 ×10 It is ssj3×10(power of ozaru+ anger ) ×50( the power of golden Ozaru) ×2 = ssj3×500 Ssj3= 400 Ssj4 = 400×10 ×50 ×2 Ssj4 =200.000 Vegito.= A×b×100 Goku 5 Vegeta = 4 Vegito= 5×4 ×100= 2000 myyyyyyy heeeeeeeaaaad😂😂😢😢 Goku gt >vegito z Goku gt ssj >> vegitoz Goku ssj gt > vegito ssj z Goku gt ssj2>> vegito ssj z Goku ssj2> vegito ssj 2 z Goku gt ssj3>> vegito z ssj 3 Goku gt ssj4 >>> vegito ssj3 Goku gt ssj4 >>. Vegito GT Goku gt ssj4> vegito kaioken 20 Goku gt ssj4< vegito gt ssj Goku gt ssj 4 full power

Amazing into bro keep on the great work

Much appreciated.. how do I don’t quite agree on all the loveseat to go from two. They fall in line with everything you said to attend for the most part. Thank you for the video I really needed this to recover from the super movie

Simple answer just play db final bout and you play with vegito and your opponent is ssj4, let ssj4 hurt you with 10x kamehameha and you counter with final kamehameha you will see 10x kamehameha is do more damage

Look at the super saiyan vegito no much super saiyan 4 look at the hair of vegito like ordinary super Saiyan