As much as I am in love with the Dogma....I'd have to say I'd choose the Cube...7500£ here in Canada is 13,200.....this definitely is a dream bike for me.....great review..truly enjoyed it...👍🇨🇦
I truly admire and appreciate Pinarello’s dedication to craft and component engineering although realistically Cubes equal performance and price point wins out with me, Excellent presentation of two exceptional aero bikes as always great video...
Both bikes are T1000 or T1100 framed bikes, and are only worth 3k at the most with di2. Names matter little when its all coming from Chinese suppliers. You have to be crazy to buy either of these bikes.
With Cube you get what you pay for. I have a Cube frame, yes they are cheaper than competition, but if I look closely at my Cube frame you can see that the manufacturing quality is not that great when compared to some other frames.
Sergio B. Get the Bike you love to ride and that makes you happy. I ride the F12 and love riding it more than any bike I ever rode. I never rode a cube and don’t want to tarnish what they do. Having £3k more in my wallet wouldn’t give as much extra happiness, as this bike has, so for me, the Pina was the right Choice.
Being a lifetime cyclist and getting up there in my age. I no longer compromise on cost like I use to knowing that I maybe have only less than a couple decades of riding before I have to hang it up.
I've been converted to "cubism". Attain with a sora groupo still gets me the odd pr on local hills while my agree with a compact set has never let me down against more expensive bikes. I'm planning on the litening next,maybe not the slt but the entry version should be a blast and cost less than €5000. All round great value for money.
@@arianewell6252 well…as it turns out and so I am told, money doesn’t grow on trees. Just got hit with big repairs on the agree. Litening on the back burner but I think there’s a long waiting list at moment anyway. As soon as I can though!!
Yeah i agree with the previous statements i would probably take the cube based on the price point, and i dont live in super hills area so i can deal with a little more weight
Can I direct this question directly to Editor Warren Rossiter? I'm assuming Pinarello asked what size frame you needed for this test. I know it's a 57.5cm, but I was wondering how tall you are and what your inseam measurement is. I'm considering a Pinarello for my next bike and I've found that their geometry and sizing is a bit different from most other manufactures with an especially tall stack. I'm 193.5cm tall with a 94.2cm inseam. Thank you.
Does anyone else find paintjobs on modern bikes boring and cheap looking? I remember my bike from 2005 had 3 shades of metallic grey and for 10k today you get what looks like red vinyl wrap.
I'd personally go for a Cube C:68x Race teamline + better wheels (Hunt 48) & GP5000TL (28/32c) It's the exact same frame, 12 speed wireless, and most importantly, not a black colored bike (again). The only problem is, I like clip-on aero bars...
Sorry but these DTSwiss wheels are too thin, the tire protrude and kill any aero benefits. They need to revise them for the 25+ mm tires currently used. No comment on the Fulcrum an insult in your face for the price with these exposed nipples. Lastly disc wheels have a much higher spoke count resulting in weight increase (rotational at that) and shite aero. You can keep both of these, I need a bike that performs not one that looks good, sorry.
Get better fork compliance on a rim brake bike as well because doesn't have to be able to take all the braking force at the end of the fork. Nice to have a fast, simple and light road bike that cost a tenth of this Pinarello. Got discs on everything other than my dry weather road bike though.
they are one of the fastest wheels out there, also if you want aero why the hell would you ride 25mm, another bullshit by the bike industry like the discs, 23 front every time
@@janeztomazic5546 25mm with an appropriately sized wheel width is not only more aero but also has lower rolling resistance (adsorbing road irregularities better), hence faster.
@@st939 you see, they got you to but its just not true. Also lower rolling resistance is only if you put the same pressure in 25 like you do in 23 but you would never do that. We have tests for everything. www.hambini.com/testing-to-find-the-fastest-bicycle-wheels/ www.bicyclerollingresistance.com/specials/grand-prix-5000-comparison Read this and you will get it, I also believed the propaganda before I did my own research. 23 front 25 back is the best combo for aero and comfort, this is what pros ride in time trials and also recommended by swis side which are one of the fastest wheels out there
@@janeztomazic5546 All this depends on the actual width of the wheel more than the tire. In no case should your tire have a bigger width than the wheel. This is not contested.
I bought a cube litening c68xpro late November 2020. I was instantly very impressed with the finish of the bike. Putting the obvious things aside like the reliable and trustworthy Ultegra Di2 to one side, the finish of the frame is extremely impressive. I had just sold my Tarmac SL6 pro disc to get one of these, and I hear many of you asking "wtf" but I had my reasons. So far I am not disappointed one single bit. I know of nobody in my neck of the woods with a cube this cool, I like the finish of the matt carbon weave and stealth black and white get up. It goes with any kit and isn't in your face. The integrated set up is awesome too, I had been desperate to finally get on a machine with no cables flapping about and no botched heat shrink tubing. I was pretty set on getting myself a set of Hunt 50mm wheels for this, which I did almost immediately. I sold the Newmen alloy wheels which came with the bike, but after doing so actually thought to myself "they were actually half decent wheels" anyway my new Hunts look the mutts nuts on this weapon and just cant wait to get out in some decent weather. I have had it out on a couple of dry winter rides in Scotland and have been super impressed all round, really does feel quick on the flats and certainly didn't feel like I was missing my Tarmac on the climbs either. Im heading off to Spain in a couple of weeks with it, so will look forward to really putting it through its paces. A couple of things I would mention though are that Cube seem to be a bit of a nightmare to get a hold of. I sent numerous e-mails through their website and still have not had a reply. Fortunately the shop I bought the bike from (rutland cycling) have been pretty helpful. I wanted to get hold of a spare hanger should the worst happen and they got one sent within 3 days of my e-mail. I should also mention that I have invisitaped the frame. There is no pre cut mould for this frame from invis so I just bought a generic road bike kit which has been perfect for covering the underside of the downtube, top tube, forks, chainstays and bottom bracket area. I know my version isn't the SLT model but for £3999 (I paid £3699) with a discount at rutland, nothing out there can touch this spec. keep in mind I added a set of £850 Hunt wheels and changed out the saddle for a pro turnix carbon rail saddle I think I am sitting on a lot of bike for the money. Here is to some happy riding!
Would be interested to hear your thoughts comparing the Tarmac and Cube after your test rides. The Tarmac being a pretty light and aero bike itself will be hard to beat I guess.
I have bought the exact same model. It will be delivered late March here in Denmark. (3.245 £ at the local bike shop) A wheel and saddle swap and I got myself a top notch bike for half the price of the most expensive brands. What about the sizing? I am Specialized size 58. (I have a Crux and an Allez) and have ordered a Cube in size 58.
@@csigersted great choice, you will not be disappointed. I am currently out in Spain on a training camp and have been riding some fantastic roads and big climbs and this bike is handling everything with ease and style. I upgraded to carbon hunt wheels and changed the saddle also. I was a 58 with my Tarmac SL6 and have gone 58 with the Cube and fits perfectly. Enjoy it when it arrives.
Hey Alistair! Just found your comment randomly. Been looking for Litening C68X myself, have you had any problems that have just occurred, like within' this year? Would you still recommend buying one? Your text was awesome and answered many questions that I was thinking. Good stuff!
I'd like to know more about the front end on the Cube. After that, I'd go with the Cube because for the difference in money I can do a lot more with it.
Personally if you're not racing you don't need a super bike. However based on the video and as a cyclist that prefers comfort over speed (actually comfort equates to speed really) I would have to go with the Cube respectfully over the Pinarello. I like the idea of having a bike that is more compliant to the rider. Sure stiff is great but compliant makes takes the day.
No doubt at all, the F12 has the passion for cycling... cube, giant and any other brand, almost!, are so fare from completing and combining the bike design AND speed. I know it's a lot of money. No doubt...F12!
As we're nice, here are the weights. Cube 7.73kg, size 58 without pedals. Pinarello 7.83kg with 2 bottle cages, garmin mount (as supplied), size 57.5 without pedals. Hope that helps from your friends at BikeRadar!
Why is the saddle, the drive train and even the wheels an important part of the comparison? Any Pinarello Dealer will allow you to go full custom on all of these things. My pinarello has neither that saddle, nor does it have a shimano group, and als not those wheels. You can go full value or all out performance.
There are only three types of people that will buy such a bike . 1- pro rider 2- rich sport rider 3- idiot rider that has the bike repossessed in a few weeks .
Its tube shapes has to comply with UCI 3:1 rules. So can't go any deeper on the seat tube unless it also flares out like the Canyon Aeroad. The smaller sizes below 56cm so no have this oversized gap.
Well, the big difference between a German Porsche and an Italian Ferrari is easily experienced. The Porsche is reliable and in use every day, while the Ferrari is there to be seen (unless he is at the car dealer for frequent maintenance).
Fantastic bikes at fantastically overpriced values. Both are only lottery winning purchases.... It's incredible at this price with no secret motor lol. I do like this format let's have some more bike face offs👍. Ps I think it's slightly unfair for the cube to go up against a pinarrello though as anyone with that sort of layout of 10k is clearly not going to consider a cube as an alternative. ps. Also at 10k i'd expect to be riding the team equivalent which is the F12 XLight not the F12 and let's not talk about the poor wheels on the pinarrello...... And imho the cube is not a Porsche equivalent...😇 Also need to know full weight as tested of the bikes.
What do these bikes actually weigh? When I'm climbing up a hill the weight of the frame is irrelevant, it's the weight of myself & the bike that matters. The way you gave a sigh said it all, you were embarrassed about the weight and you tried to hide it by talking about the frame weight, nice try...
Hahaha, not quite. As we're nice, here are the weights. Cube 7.73kg, size 58 without pedals. Pinarello 7.83kg with 2 bottle cages, garmin mount (as supplied), size 57.5 without pedals. Hope that helps from your friends at BikeRadar!
ExMachina see I like that. To me it adds a bit of style instead of the normal straight top tube. Which is what drew me to the giant Anyroad a few years ago and still one of my favs. Typically from structural standpoint by doing that it should theoretically add stiffness.
The wins on the F8 -F12 are not a result of the bike. It is the result of a team with a massive budget that can hire the best talent. If Sky/Eneos had been on the Cube with everything else being the same, you would be praising the Cube for those same wins. But, then the prices would be swapped because it isn't cheap be a sponsor of Eneos.
Frame weight, is the weight of the frame only. The firm weight is normally quoted separately. A very lightweight carbon frame is around 650g! There a probably lighter ones than that but they are not many!
i don't know about Cube, but Pinarello sure aint from Italy. It comes from CHINA!!!, i think its just painted somewhere in Europe. Only colnago and cipollini are made in Italy. please be precise in what you say.
