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Supercharged Micro Radial Engine: Making of (New Project coming soon!) 

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I made this engine back in Summer 2016 and finally, there is a video of how I made it.
There will be another video in a few weeks or so, as I am currently working on a new project. It is a variable pitch propeller drivetrain for a very large RC-airplane. It will be the biggest, most sophisticated RC-Airplane propulsion system I have ever made.

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@rcdogmanduh4440
@rcdogmanduh4440 3 года назад
1974 I made a twin opposing cox .049 . I single pointed the crank case bores in a southbend lathe turning the chuck by hand. Used the reed valve the same as Cox but engine only ran on prime then quit. I was 16 years old in trade school. This was so much fun the watch!
@vumba1331
@vumba1331 9 месяцев назад
Was the engine set up in a boxer configuration or did they run on the same bearing 9n the crankshaft, i.e. dounble throw versus single throw? If the latter it would've run only on the prime as there wouldn't have been any pulsing in the crankcase to operate the reed valve. Also they very very sensitive to the sealing on the front of the crank as that would also influence the gas tight seal. Well done on trying though, personally I was into the making of the RC gear from kitsets, that's how long I've been modelling!
@tanzanos
@tanzanos 3 года назад
I built a 5 cylinder cox radial and I also had to make my own die. This was back in 2000. I got over 12,000 rpm on a 9x4 prop.
@vespass225
@vespass225 3 года назад
This is soooo impressive...! The pinnacle of traditional engineering.
@K3Flyguy
@K3Flyguy Год назад
As much trouble as we had with em as a kid I would only hope 5 at once would not mean 5 times more trouble! Thanks for sharing, very nice video and excellent piece of work!
@NoneNone-gk9wt
@NoneNone-gk9wt 2 года назад
You go man your living my childhood dream. I always wanted a Cox radial. I thought that up in the late 70 s but never did it
@TestECull
@TestECull 3 года назад
heh. That thing runs pretty good. And a nice, simple, robust way of solving the issue of scavenging on a radial two stroke where there would be no natural pre-compression. Technically speaking the engine is naturally aspirated; it draws heavy parallels with the Detroit Diesel 2-stroke truck engines and EMD 2-stroke locomotive engines scattered across America, mostly in how they breathe. Like this engine, they lack natural pre-comp, so they use a supercharger to force feed the cylinders, and are considered N/A when there is no boost device feeding into that supercharger. Can't wait to see it fly!
@tom5051666
@tom5051666 2 года назад
the engines you speak of have an exhaust valve in the head so it can stop the charger blowing unburnt gases out of the exhaust, like is happening in this video
@TestECull
@TestECull 2 года назад
@@tom5051666 Ye the supercharger would be wasting a tremendous amount of fuel/air charge in this engine, but it's also the only way a common-crankcase single row radial two stroke could function.
@chrishenniker5944
@chrishenniker5944 3 месяца назад
I want to see this one on a four stroke engine, where it’s supposed to be and where it would work.
@guntherpommer6433
@guntherpommer6433 3 года назад
2 stroke cox radial....simply awesome building skills...my respect!
@antoniodellaragione6091
@antoniodellaragione6091 3 года назад
Sei un ARTISTA , non ho mai visto una opera tanto PERFETTA e FUNZIONALE . I miei complimenti 🎉. Continua SEMPRE così 👍👍👍👍👍
@Del350K4
@Del350K4 10 месяцев назад
My goodness - what an extraordinary piece of work! The precise drawings were an encouraging sign from the beginning. I was concerned that if the crankcase volume were too great, there could be a risk of the downward movement of a piston failing to boost crankcase pressure sufficiently to send a charge through the transfer ports, but I guess the compressor neatly obviates that potential problem.
@serpentcobra1717
@serpentcobra1717 3 года назад
Ich freue mich schon diesen Motor in Action zu sehen! Hut ab von dieser genialen Arbeit!
@donchristianson3153
@donchristianson3153 3 года назад
Excellent engineering and construction!!!!!! Ya should market this !!!! Believe me it would sell !!!!!
@scottobrien3484
@scottobrien3484 Год назад
What a wonderful piece of engineering and such a creative idea!….brilliant!
@ryancadwallader2049
@ryancadwallader2049 2 года назад
Congratulations. I thought I was in for another " look what I drew and got the cnc to make me" very nicely done. I like the supercharger
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426 2 года назад
Thanks!
@yashilghazi5948
@yashilghazi5948 3 года назад
Beautiful craftsmanship!. Well done Sir.
@brianbarnabee2317
@brianbarnabee2317 4 месяца назад
What a sweet build. Fantastic.
@parqld
@parqld 3 года назад
That is a work of Art. Amazing. Well done !👍
@skyshipam
@skyshipam 3 года назад
Awesome! I envy your talent and skill!
@cliffcorbitt9494
@cliffcorbitt9494 Год назад
AN ABSOLUTE MASTERPIECE!
@kennethconnors5316
@kennethconnors5316 3 года назад
this is genius ,, you did something really cool AMAZING it seems to be a runner
@mylesjarvis7571
@mylesjarvis7571 3 года назад
Incredible workmanship! Love it!
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426 3 года назад
Thanks man!
@aSpyIntheHaus
@aSpyIntheHaus 3 года назад
Marvellous work there! Great video too.
@modelmakerz0690
@modelmakerz0690 3 года назад
Beautiful work and video. Well, done!
@CSHUNT83
@CSHUNT83 3 года назад
Thank you for completing my childhood dream!! Awesome work!
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426 3 года назад
Thanks man!
@HenryL161947
@HenryL161947 3 года назад
truly amazing , congrats and thanks for the video
@bac1995
@bac1995 Год назад
Un grand bravo! votre travail et votre savoir-faire sont tous les deux fantastiques, extraordinaires! Encore bravo pour ce magnifique moteur en étoile! Thibault
@qownson4410
@qownson4410 Год назад
Hey! I didn't realize someone was doing the same thing as I am. My friend and I are working on this exact same kind of project!
@craigywaigy4703
@craigywaigy4703 3 года назад
Nice! Always loved the Cox engines!
@aileronmodelismo
@aileronmodelismo Год назад
Awesome job!!! Impressive result.👏👏👏
@renaissanceman5847
@renaissanceman5847 3 года назад
very nice work... not easy to pull that off. all radial 2 strokes with a master rod need that air-fuel pump to work... technically not supercharged (you cannot supercharge/turbocharge a 2 stroke from the inlet side), but here the pump is required for transfer and scavenging to keep the crankcase at a positive pressure to the combustion chamber ...
@rigididiot
@rigididiot 3 года назад
Yes you can, it is done all the time, and up to 3 bar boost pressure even. Not in this small size though...
@renaissanceman5847
@renaissanceman5847 3 года назад
@@rigididiot you cannot boost a 2 stroke from the inlet side... when the crankcase transfer ports open up to the combustion chamber, the exhaust port has already opened letting the burned mix out. when the piston is at bottom dead center... both the exhaust port and the transfer ports are open, while the inlet port from the carb is closed. when the piston is moving back up the transfer ports close first... then the exhaust port last. this is why we use tuned exhaust pipes. they provide a back pressure pulse of some of the air fuel mix that escapes out the exhaust port (pushing it back into the combustion chamber) just before the exhaust port closes, effectively adding more fuel air to the combustion chamber under pressure. look it up yourself as to why you cannot effectively turbo/supercharge a 2 stroke.
@rigididiot
@rigididiot 3 года назад
@@renaissanceman5847 Aehm... I am a marine engineer, and having worked for decades with turbocharged 2-strokes (and with a degree in engineering) I seriously beg to differ... Google "turbocharged two stroke". The turbocharger acts not only as a charging device, but also as a backpressure device, resulting in some serious boost pressure (personally I have worked with up to 3 bar boostpressure).
@renaissanceman5847
@renaissanceman5847 3 года назад
@@rigididiot show me the link...
@rigididiot
@rigididiot 3 года назад
You could google it for yourself, way more convincing, but if you insist: www.snowmobile.com/trails/polaris-working-on-turbocharged-2-stroke-snowmobile-engine-65385 www.snowmobile.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Polaris-two-stroke-turbo-patent-US20200182139.pdf www.ski-doo.com/2021-whats-new-ski-doo.html But you could also google for "MAN B&W two stroke" or "Sulzer two stroke"
@pierangeloquaglieri4860
@pierangeloquaglieri4860 3 года назад
Complimenti, very beautiful work
@yodasbff3395
@yodasbff3395 2 года назад
Beautiful workmanship 👍.
@palacita135
@palacita135 3 года назад
Give it a shot in air, will love to see it fly
@johntenhave1
@johntenhave1 3 года назад
Wonderful effort! Very impressive.
@Jimmyzb36
@Jimmyzb36 Год назад
Art in motion! Well done.
@jmt2727
@jmt2727 3 года назад
Great work! Can't wait to see and hear a V12 version of this!
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426 3 года назад
That would be awesome.
@getehrwolf6111
@getehrwolf6111 2 года назад
I will work on a V4 or a V6, V12 it's a massive engine for an RC plane, I rather do it on an actual sized engine
@faras5426
@faras5426 9 месяцев назад
Beautiful work!
@interman7715
@interman7715 3 года назад
Fantastic engineering!
@zoegnappe
@zoegnappe 3 года назад
beautiful project!!
@gibbyrockerhunter
@gibbyrockerhunter 3 года назад
I love everything about this. Even down to that kick ass Swiss VictorI knife.
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426 3 года назад
Thanks man!
@Africatwin93
@Africatwin93 3 года назад
Einfach nur klasse!
@user-ji7pz2rb2b
@user-ji7pz2rb2b 3 года назад
Это превосходно! Не просто прямые руки - а золотые!!! Побольше бы таких интересных видео и материалов в интернете а не всякие там котики или глупые челленджи.... УСПЕХОВ тебе МАСТЕР
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426 3 года назад
Thank you!
@joseisraelramirez9251
@joseisraelramirez9251 День назад
Marvelous work. I tought a radial engine 3 stoke was not possible. Due to the canceling effect of the pistons on the crankcase not contributing to scavenge the fuel properly
@tonywright8294
@tonywright8294 3 года назад
Superb looking engine A+
@miketee2444
@miketee2444 2 года назад
Sounds great. Those little cox motors were fairly agrivating as a kid. Maybe it was the kid part but the multiple cylinders sure seemed to smooth them out.
@stardust6066
@stardust6066 3 месяца назад
Totally awesome mate 💪👍😄
@avitekw
@avitekw 3 года назад
Really well done. i love the idea with the compressor. i have built the V2 20ccm from VTH verlag but it has problems running. maybe ill give it a try with the compressor as well
@juliocesarmonsalvo7442
@juliocesarmonsalvo7442 3 года назад
Excellent project,
@alexgoldstein7553
@alexgoldstein7553 3 года назад
Wow fantastic!
@Ozzy3333333
@Ozzy3333333 26 дней назад
Thanks for sharing! ~25 years ago I was flying U-control 1/2A with 3 up combat with a super simple basically indestructible home brew planes with 049 black widow motors. My third black widow motor I got was a dud, would barely get 14K rpm, where my other two 049's was in the 18K rpm range with 10% nitro, thimble drone 5x3 prop. Troubleshooting the dud, a friend showed me how to lap sand the case at the carb/tank mount (1500 grit sandpaper put on glass and sprayed with wd40 and sanded in a figure 8 pattern), it knocks off the bulge of the 4 course carb/tank mounting screws (a black sharpie put on before the sanding will show the progress). This did not seem to help the dud motor,,,,but I got an idea. Why not try it on where the cylinder screws in (effectively changing the timing). I passed my idea by a buddy that road raced the two stroke Yamaha RD400 (and was a auto/diesel mechanic), he said I should raise the exhaust ports (so not remove material, but add to it), so I made a 0.010" base gasket, this made it a super dud motor, lol. To scientifically gauge what I was about to attempt I measured the height of where the cylinder screws in to the case (see picture of the red lines where I measured - from case to where cylinder screws in), I call this deck height, my normal two good motors was 78 thou (0.078"), the dud was 84 thou, instantly a big grin appeared. With the precision these cox motors are built to, wth was going on with this spec, 0.006" too tall. I started by taking 5 thou off (glass/sandpaper/wd40, same as I mentioned above) and retesting, result was better, another 5 thou, even better, another 5 thou and was getting hard to start. Then I thought why it was hard to start, hmmm, way to much compression, perfect, the head gaskets were 5 thou, I can compensate with head gaskets, so for every 5 thou I removed from the deck, I added 1 more head gasket. After continuing this process a few more times (I went down to 53 thou from 84), it turns out, 15 thou off the good motor (was 78 thou, now reduced to ~63 thou with 4 head gaskets (1 original +3)) was the best. Results are with 10% nitro, Thimble Drone 5x3 balanced prop and plastic reed valve. Bone stock good motor with 78 thou deck height = 17-18K rpm, Bone stock dud motor with 84 thou deck height = 14K rpm, Best was reducing to ~63 thou deck height (on all motors), with a total of 4 head gaskets, 25Krpm and one hit 26Krpm. A gain of 7K rpm! For pictures and discussion, google search coxengineforum black widow tuning
@marcnissen578
@marcnissen578 3 года назад
A work of art I should say a running work of art
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426 3 года назад
Thanks!
@gamajulio1
@gamajulio1 10 месяцев назад
Great job 👏
@homienat3374
@homienat3374 Год назад
Nice job mate well impressed 🤙🤙
@davidcameron8819
@davidcameron8819 Год назад
OK this is absolutely amazing!! really 👍👍 thumbs up 10 out of 10 Instead of the music I would actually just rather hear you talking about the machining process maybe some of the parts that gave you some trouble or things that you may be had to do twice because you made a mistake but really absolutely astonishing great craftsmanship and I’m glad there are still machinist in the world
@fromgermany271
@fromgermany271 2 месяца назад
Good that the shape of the compressor rotor is hidden behind an aluminum case. 😂
@Lozzie74
@Lozzie74 2 месяца назад
Nein!
@crrc45
@crrc45 3 года назад
Brilliant!
@doglegjake6788
@doglegjake6788 4 месяца назад
Excellent video
@NicosProjects
@NicosProjects 3 года назад
Die guten alten Cox-Motoren! Hab auch noch 2 PeeWee zu Hause. Tolles Projekt!
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426 3 года назад
Danke! Die PeeWees sind lustig. Die kleinen Wurfgleiter von Multiplex gehen ganz gut damit ;)
@harrybobb6927
@harrybobb6927 3 года назад
@@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426 hi I want to know if you can make me one like this is pay u to make me one
@eskayler66
@eskayler66 3 года назад
Very nice!
@pedalcarguy
@pedalcarguy 2 года назад
Awesome! A 4cc five cylinder radial engine! Instant subscribe!
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426 2 года назад
Thanks for the sub!
@outlawflyer7868
@outlawflyer7868 3 года назад
Now that's very cool...
@didierneeferc
@didierneeferc 3 года назад
put this beauty on an plane!!! its awesome!!!
@ahmedalmuhana6686
@ahmedalmuhana6686 3 года назад
Où puis-je trouver ce design mon ami .. si possible répondre
@JB-br4zs
@JB-br4zs 3 года назад
Cool I saw a 5 cylinder home made cox radial bring $1,800 on ebay about 2 or 3 years ago.
@davethrussell6794
@davethrussell6794 3 года назад
beautiful.
@donlawrence1428
@donlawrence1428 2 года назад
Very nice work. You are very talented
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426 2 года назад
Thank you!
@adanmirapedrol8703
@adanmirapedrol8703 3 года назад
really cool AMAZING
@josealfredoespanolyapor3751
@josealfredoespanolyapor3751 3 года назад
Impresionante,felicidades,muy habil.
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426 3 года назад
Thanks!
@reginaldluycx6700
@reginaldluycx6700 Год назад
Fantastic work and no cnc used !
@dangamsby6612
@dangamsby6612 3 года назад
very cool build. I would try and use dave sullivan heads and better glow plugs and you may get the reliability that you seek. I remember using them with throttle rings on mine .....and I could slow em down to make the sound of an electric fan!!!!!! then open er up and let the black widow scream.
@GoingtoHecq
@GoingtoHecq 3 месяца назад
obviously this is amazing.
@larryblanks6765
@larryblanks6765 Год назад
I like it!
@kevintheblacksmith
@kevintheblacksmith 2 года назад
Amazing
@BensWorkshop
@BensWorkshop 3 года назад
Very nice.
@mam1627
@mam1627 3 года назад
AWESOME!!!!!!
@charlesmoore456
@charlesmoore456 3 года назад
Awesome!
@bannisterengines
@bannisterengines 3 года назад
Very nice job thanks for sharing
@walterg4025
@walterg4025 3 года назад
Well done!
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426 3 года назад
Thanks!
@thehanger3436
@thehanger3436 3 года назад
I would definitely buy one. The look of it is so cool
@jtuttle11
@jtuttle11 3 года назад
I've got a few of these little motors laying around including ones that were 'Factory built throttalble'
@colemanbinyon7063
@colemanbinyon7063 3 года назад
you deserve more views
@f76gg
@f76gg 3 года назад
Good job, like 7
@Jimbo-in-Thailand
@Jimbo-in-Thailand 3 года назад
+1 Christian - Excellent project and had to leave a 667th like as _666_ likes has scary connotations. Haha! A suggestion is to try to find some earlier 1960s era Cox cylinders that don't have the horribly restrictive exhaust ports. The previous version had 2 large slots (one on either side) and were much more powerful than the anemic ones you have. I'm sure they would provide quite a power boost to your little radial. The trade-off would be they're much louder, which is probably why Cox revised that design way back when. Merry Christmas from Thailand!
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426 3 года назад
Thanks for your comment! That's a great Idea. I think these cylinders are still available from coxengines.ca
@jdsstegman
@jdsstegman 2 месяца назад
No way. Just came across my feed. Im half done with the same build. Never thought about supercharged tho....
@Ozzy3333333
@Ozzy3333333 26 дней назад
Ventom cylinders/pistons and high compression heads are the way to go.
@LCMNUNES1962
@LCMNUNES1962 Месяц назад
EXCELENTE SERVIÇO 👍👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 🇧🇷
@craigcoghlan546
@craigcoghlan546 2 года назад
Lovely work mate, can I suggest a flat 4 next
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426 2 года назад
Thanks! Why not... I have a few other projects now but a flat 4 is a good idea as it will be lighter.
@chrisbirtle2124
@chrisbirtle2124 3 года назад
Absolutely brilliant chap, Well Done. You need silencers or the people would complain, its like a symphony to me but others would moan! Is it all en 8 did you have to use any v155 on it?
@OkiThumper
@OkiThumper Год назад
Just curious, but have you made any further progress in putting this engine to use in an aircraft. I found your video posted on Cox Engine Forums dated Dec. 28, 2020. If you have, we'd all be interesting in hearing about your endeavors. Thanks for sharing!
@rigididiot
@rigididiot 3 года назад
What an absolute BRILLIANT piece of engineering... If it were for sale, I'd buy it... (but I know it's not for sale... :( )
@rockcrawler3119
@rockcrawler3119 3 года назад
For the right price ANYTHING is for sale....
@rigididiot
@rigididiot 3 года назад
@@rockcrawler3119 I bet it is... but what is the right price... :p
@rockcrawler3119
@rockcrawler3119 3 года назад
Depends how bad you want it haha.
@rigididiot
@rigididiot 3 года назад
@@rockcrawler3119 True...Or how badly he wants to keep it :D
@bojangle3712
@bojangle3712 3 года назад
Very cool, amazing, nice. BUT...what is the power to weight ratio? Looks heavy. Looks like it would fit another cylinder. And yes, I'm a critic who would be hard pressed to build an engine that cool.
@brucebaxter6923
@brucebaxter6923 3 года назад
Did you consider using the master rod assembly as half of a scroll compressor?
@randyleazenby2351
@randyleazenby2351 3 года назад
I think there would be a moderate market for such items. Especially for upgrading Guillow and dumas kits. Give it a shot!
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426 3 года назад
My plan is to buy a cnc-mill by next summer and then, we will see ;)
@rigididiot
@rigididiot 3 года назад
@@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426 If that ever happens, I would be willing to run glow fuel again (gasoline only nowadays) and definitely buy one.
@halseyknox
@halseyknox 4 месяца назад
That is friggin cool....even the making of a tap was impressive in its own right....just curious what keeps the main bearing oiled, pre-mix like typical two stroke?
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426 4 месяца назад
Yes, typical nitro RC-pre-mix with plenty of oil and some nitromethane to help cool the engine.
@rondaniels9974
@rondaniels9974 2 месяца назад
Very cool project! I'm curious as to why all of your connecting rods float in the main con-rod carrier. Doesn't one con rod usually serve as a master con-rod to control the rotation of the con-rod carrier?
@mariodanna4798
@mariodanna4798 2 года назад
Nice work, excellent result! Do you supply the project?
@modellboerse
@modellboerse 3 года назад
5:50 "ein Schelm, wer Böses denkt" :-)
@derekinbritishcolumbia1449
@derekinbritishcolumbia1449 3 года назад
Impressive build. What performance are you getting? What fuel blend are you using? Would like to see the model you fit this to. Perhaps, a WWI Sopwith Camel, Waco or Stearman?
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426 3 года назад
Hi. I have never measured rpms. I use a 30% nitro, 5% castor and 15% synthetic blend. If I get it to run more reliably, a Stearman woul definitly be an option.
@crankhandle
@crankhandle 3 года назад
Amazing work! Is sounds very smooth? Its there much vibration?
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426 3 года назад
Thanks. Surprisingly not. It runs much smoother than a comparable single cylinde engine. It's quite heavy which helps and it seems that I got the crankshaft counterweight just about right.
@cesarestefanini1299
@cesarestefanini1299 3 года назад
Beautiful and impressive without any CNC! Congratulations. One question: how you made the master connecting rod not rotating with respect to the spider plates? Thanks and cheers from Tuscany
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426 3 года назад
Thanks mate! Good question as this was the most difficult task. First, I brazed the master rod to the spider plates. This worked for some time but then I bent the master rod as it was weak due to the heat from brazing. Then I soldered the arts together. This also worked for some time but then failed again due to the solder getting soft. Then I tig-welded the parts together with a good tig welder that can do tiny spotweldings. This workd until now.
@cesarestefanini1299
@cesarestefanini1299 3 года назад
@@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426 very good! Congrats for the final result! Tig should work well in my opinion. Some time ago I designed a similar system and for the master rod I chose a 3D slot fully enclosing the connecting rod up to 1/3 of its lenght, then brazing the (already well constrained) joint. But tig welding is of course also a valid approach!
@TestECull
@TestECull 3 года назад
1:05 I live in the not-metric part of the world and I wouldn't be able to find one either. Leroy Cox used a really bloody oddball threadform for those cylinders.
@michaelrehmus
@michaelrehmus 3 года назад
The taps are available but I paid $60 about 6 years ago.
@Surestick88
@Surestick88 3 года назад
I'm guessing the forced induction was necessary as there's no pumping from the pistons going up and down with the cylinders firing one after the other like that giving you a constant crankcase volume?
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426
@christiansprojects-cgmanuf1426 3 года назад
Correct. It wouldn't run at all without any pump.
@michaelmcfeely6588
@michaelmcfeely6588 3 года назад
Thank you for asking. I was going to ask this.
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