SUPERCHARGED Toyota GT86 Review - Problem Solved? (JDM Legends Tour Pt. 21) 

I hear ya buddy.

Same lol

the number 1 reason why the only made it with 200 hp. they wanted to avoid the lawsuits :D

Nice. Report back when the work has been done.

Mention me to Harrop, it's very useful for me to get my name out there!

ive never herd of them i was thinking edleblock ill have to look into that

Seriously you MUST go for it. It puts this car into what I call the giggle band. Enough power to get the "whoah easy girl" response. It's begging to be unleashed, all the time. Not so much power that you have to make any concessions. Nor does it need a nasty suspension to carve curves. Most of the time you can just be giggling at just being in this car. On the highway commute to work, downshift and overtake. Giggle giggle. Corners in the mountain's, turn in. Giggle. Power out... You guessed it giggle giggle. You can push it to the next corner without needing to get to sketchy speeds to enjoy it like many 500hp beasts. Sure there are other cars that can get you to shit yourself twice on a drive to a friends house. This car with a charger, nice brakes and exhaust had me turning off the highway a turn early. Just for 10 more streets of me grinning like a kid. GO FOR IT!

Never heard of Harrop before, but I've been eyeballing the E-force from Edelbrock for a while. I'll have to check into Harrop before I make up my mind. I've had mine since new, '14 FR-S. All it needs is some Dynamat and FI to become the perfect car.

I've recently bought one and am leaving it completely standard too! 👍

It absolutely was setup to be a fast car. It was designed from the very beginning to be modified.

I bought an immaculate one with 9000 miles on the clock, it's not staying standard. Already swapped the crappy standard wheels for some advans with Pilot sport cup2's which has transformed the car. Next step is swapping all the engine/gearbox/diff mounts for TRD ones which I've already got sitting around and I managed to get a set of the Performance Pack Brembos from the US . I also need to get an oil cooler to help with temps on track. Then I'll do a few trackdays like that and see what I need to do with the suspension. Most likely I'll be going with KW V3's, alongside verus LCA's and some eccentric topmounts for the front. After that if I feel like I'm wanting more power I'll do the usual manifold (with cat), catback and tune. But really the car feels fast enough for me on the road, even though it's definitely slower than my last car. If I plan to keep it long term then I may end up supercharging it, but I'll have to see really. Part of the appeal of this car is that there is a massive aftermarket for it, although there are definitely some questionably modified ones. But really I want this to be a car that can be used on track but still behaves itself on the road.

@A T Actually it's more of a Toyota because the parts are from Toyota. Body parts and engine parts. I know it is a boxer engine but the parts are from Toyota. And Subaru joined the Toyota group. So in my opinion i think it's more of a Toyota :)

@Fanos: Its a Subaru "design" boxer engine FA20, so even thought its engine parts are Toyota 4U-GSE, the design of the engine was from Subaru so its basically a Subaru engine with Toyota part numbers... No different than the 2020 BMW Supra, its design is 100% BMW but they put a Supra badge on it. So its NOT a Supra, its a BMW

Funny part is New Supra and GT86 both was designed and Engineered by the same person.

@@fane2000 The only engine parts from Toyota is the fuel injection, direct and port injection

@@saulespino2510 which is the best direct injected system on the market 👍

Matt Farah is obsessed with turning circles and ball powder.

Yet another reason I don’t watch his videos.

Thanks, I intend to!

How's the reliability of the HKS kit been? How do you like it?

Do you stil have the car and how is it now?

Did it blow the engine yet?

@@mr.wiggles7535 8000 miles in, no issues.

@@Luke_SkyWalk3r 8000 miles in, no issues.

How's that sprintex? Is it carb legal for California?

Hi! Don't know if it is carb legal in California. It has been on the car for about 60,000klm now, torque dip all gone, fairly quiet, 170kw at the wheels and nice torque. Only downside it does have its own oil reservoir which needs to be topped up every 500klm or so. Let it run low once and the charger spun a bearing so needed a rebuild....ouch

Will do sometime soon!

Why did you choose the 86 when for the same car you can have a BRZ which is the same car but comes at a cheaper price and with better infotainment?

@@reapystn1052 because it's not and it doesn't.

@@5thgearouttahere But it is.. you clearly didn't compare both car. Sorry . But I guess if you buy Japanese mag without even knowing what they say.. it's pretty telling about how you buy stuff ! Go look in person and on their websites.

Suppose I should consider myself lucky having gone at least this long online without encountering a troll.

@@5thgearouttahere I'm not a troll, I just did my research. Now you are in denial.. too bad for you.

Rev hanging is due to emisssion regulations. Pretty sure it does not happen in our version as you can shoot whatever you want out the tailpipe emissions wise here.

do it. I promise you will not regret it.

I've got the 6 speed 2018 TS and the wife can't drive a manual it has UL tomae E 85 and now an edelbrock supercharger, I'm waiting on it's return after tuning with ecutech it should be fantastic it was purely fun before

Oh yeah forgot to add it has a borla Axel back touring exhaust

You don’t have to justify buying an Automatic

he said it did it before the supercharger so that debunks your entire theory. If only people would just listen

If you haven't already watch my V6 mr2 review

TBH they aren't REALLY underpowered. You can do 60 in around 6 seconds in the manual if you put grippy tyres on it (official times were done using the slippy primacy tyres, which is why they look slow). That's not bad for only 200hp and really surprises people.

@@BlatentlyFakeName Don't get me wrong I love the car stock and its easy to drive around the torque dip everyone hates but it has the capacity for so much more and they built it to beg for it I think on purpose lol. It met the factory goal of having enough power for a high revving fun reliable drive with room to mod. 2k in exhaust deals with the dip and adds ~20+HP/TQ tuned. Outside tune and exhaust a mild positive displacement supercharger @~7-9psi boost ~275HP really seems like a good stage 3 fit for this platform without ruining the balance of the car and staying reliably daily drivable. Turbos and bigger blowers are stage 4 because the stock engine internals are reliable to only ~11psi boost and ~375HP which is plenty in a 2700lb car. The stock compression ratio and head gasket makes it risky for turbos and centrifugal SCs to unlock their max power so they have to be limited. It's kind of a waste of money unless you upgrade internals to 2.1L too. The payoff is huge in HP if you do. I have seen these ran out to 22psi boost ~450-500HP on built motors reliably. I agree about the 0-60 numbers being BS. The testers drive them weakly I think to mimic what the very average consumer will expect instead of hard core divers. If you are trying to drive fast after you take off in 1st you should not be in the torque dip again until you are stopping lol. IMHO this car truly is the successor to the old AE86 and a great car that does not need big HP to have fun but it can go as far as you want to spend. This car teaches the driver and can grip or drift at will stock. Having said all that if I could only ever do one mod to this car that would be the tire/wheel fitment.

Yep it's the Aero Edition. The extra modes come with an ECUTek remap to map the Harrop kit sing.

Nick Drouet thanks for the info. Lovely car and great to hear about the Super Charger.

@@Joolz1982 Thanks - it has really transformed the car - for comparison I've owned both an Elise (and James is correct that it steers just like one), and also a 996 C4S - which this would keep up with now. The boosted 86 is a lot more fun day to day than the 911 - far more nimble :-)

Nick Drouet Great to hear, you have owned some nice cars to compare Super Charger GT86 too. I was also considering a 350Z next, but sounds like GT86 then later add a Super Charger is much more fun :). I’m sure I’ll love losing the back end too in Tesco car park or a quiet Round about in the future.

@@Joolz1982 350Z and the 370Z were on the list - I was on the way to look at a 370Z when I saw the 86. It's very tail happy with the extra power - hence the winter mode! The chassis on the 86 really is wonderful - a grown up Elise and without the running costs of a 911 - about 300bhp is just perfect.

Fatter stickier tires.

if you're talking stock, the 86 is known to be bulletproof (this can change if you put in the supercharger of course)

Hey - it's a Harrop kit - so contact a Harrop dealer over there and they should be able to sort it

@@nickdrouet1502 Thank you my friend, love the channel BTW!...

The new final drive in the 17+ seriously helps the car feel peppier too!

@@mr.wiggles7535 Don't think we got that in the Uk..

I have a 2017 86, stock. I find it a joy to drive, wringing it out at high revs to get the most out of the engine is just part of the fun.

Did they really change that much?

It's coincidence in part, there are only so many ways to shoot a review

@@JayEmmOnCars ahh right its just it reminded me of the old top gear days. its not a bad thing, i actually like it and your reviews feel very genuine

@@Dockhead thankyou

For me I couldn't buy it because of the price and because I don't have access to fuel higher than 95 octane gas... I think running forced induction on FA20 motor with anything less than 98 octane is a suicide... If I'm going to upgrade the engine internals I might as well go with a lower compression pistons and a decent size turbo kit.

Or an MR2 😉

I'd be more tempted by an older 981 or 987 Cayman S

Cayman's are 2.7l? so worse mpg? but then you might not be interested in that if you're looking at these cars.

@@e1337prodigy 2019 Cayman Comes With A 2.0 Turbocharged Engine

@@ahrred3127 but we are talking about used Cayman's and used GT86's. If you're buying a 2019 Cayman that's £44k+? The older Cayman's are 2.7l I believe?

The Lotus one? Not really much to see yet

And I bought it there!

No - the standard internals are good with that setup

yeah you're meant to be rock solid up to almost 300hp, the rods are the first to go.

Where the hell can you buy a standard one for under 10k?????

Stiffer anti roll bar

Nope. If you want the back more planted you need a softer setup at the rear and a bit more negative camber (with adjustable control arms or Powerflex bushings). The stock alignment is known to be very weird at some cars. Get a KW V3 suspension, dial it to your needs and get a proper alignment from an expert. That together with Michelin PS4 or Continental Sport Contact 6 can give you a proper everyday street handling of 300 hp compressor power (I don't speak of track use, that's another cup of tea). I've done that with my HKS-compressor-powered GT86 and can highly recommend it - no need for aftermarket roll bars front or rear.

@@Fastvoice Very interesting, certainly felt to me like the rear was rolling too much. Nice to know you can get a KW kit for them, I have V3 on my M3 and they are great

If you watch your cornering from the outside, there is actually not much of a rolling (especially in relation to a Mazda MX5). And of course a bit more rolling and a softer suspension can give you more grip (if everything else is dialed correctly - like the alignment).

Unless you're a real petrolhead, don't go with the RX8. I say that as a rotary fan myself. Rotaries are high maintenance and hard to work on. Bad combination for someone who just wants a track car. If you know what you're about with a rotary, I'd still go with a BRZ/86. It's just a better chassis.

@@redlion145 I disagree... The RX8 has an extremely competitive chassis considering its a miata's. But, I totally agree with the rotary statement: but I was looking for more of an in depth look to the advantages which a big port high flow renesis turbo engine would give on tracks and on the road without looking at its disadvantages. But yeah, owning an RX8 (especially turbo'd) is a full time baby.

@@maybelive765 I used to think the 50/50 weight distribution on the RX8 was king as well. But honestly after you're done adding a turbo and a radiator and perhaps an oil cooler, the weight distribution is about the same if not more front biased than the 86. But of course, if you're not looking at the disadvantages, it's fairly easy to talk yourself into pretty much anything :P

@@redlion145 the RX8 has a good chassis none-the-less, but weight reduction is key. Also, if you rebuild the fuel system in the back for better reliability, I bet the turbo and intercooler in the front wont be so bad 😂😂😂

Me too, if they neverade the ND I would be interested in this even without the supercharger.

maciekthepole what about a boosted ND

@@supamonkey25 🤔 Yeah, but I would love one of the tin tops though

If It was convertible I think they would steal a lot of MX5 customers. I'd like to see it in a folding hard top.

I have HKS V2 supercharger on my GT86 with a restriction plate in the intake to make it street legal here in Germany. On the dyno it makes about 290 PS and 250 lbs ft torque at the crank (or 340 Nm as we say here). Without the plate it's no problem to get 310 PS and 270 lbs ft - I guess this was also the case with the sharpest mapping in JayEmms test car. Up to this power there's no need to upgrade fuel pump and/or injectors. So no hoax IMHO. But maybe you speak of power at the wheels and not the crank in the case of your Civic? Now that would be a completely different calculation.

@@Fastvoice I would assume a dyno measures wheel horsepower?

@@jimmyfarley5581 Yes, but at least on this side of the pond we add the estimated or measured drivetrain loss (about 15 to 25% depending on FWD, RWD or 4WD) to the result to get the crank (or flywheel) power numbers. The stock GT86 has only about 155 hp wheel power, but ca. 197 hp crank power. JayEmm also spoke of crank power for the supercharger at the beginning of the video. Carmakers here publish only crank power numbers for their new products, not wheel power (I guess it’s the not much different in the U. S., right?).

@@Fastvoice I believe all car makers detail their power outputs based on crank horsepower right? The EP3 Type R produced (in Europe) 197 bhp. Am I right in thinking that BHP is a measurement of total crank power? Because WHP is less due to various factors the car company would rather state the power at the crank because it's a higher number? Its easier to sell the crank power than the wheel power? Am I correct?

@@Fastvoice FYI I live in the UK! 👍

For weekend fun, Elise. For daily duties and fun, GT86

Bryan Holmberg why do you prefer n/a ? I have a stock brz

the car really doesnt need boost its a great car to just drive. i have been boosted for 11k miles now and yes i love the hell out of it but the outcome you spend to get it there its not really worth it. with the car plus aftermarket im in the 55k of investment. its widebody, full suspension, and extra and suportting mods for the S/C. i make 253hp and 210lbstq. i can make more but i dont have e85 where i live. my advice is leave n/a and due final drive gear and trans gear and a itb kit or turbo it. if you are looking for a drag car this is not the platform. but if you just want to build then yes. plus with my 55k into i would be lucky to get 23k if i sold it

I have a stock 86 too and Idk why one prefer it N/a :/

Im surprised you've spent 55k and only ended up with 253hp, what about headers? And also delicious makes a tune to get atleast another 20 hp, and still run cool enough with the supporting mods and have 293 HP and if you really wanted to run a smaller pulley, I have a 2018 and I'll be in 35k with bigger wheels and tires, coilovers, catback, headers and a harrop kit with either E85 or the delicious tune and pulley

Robert Kilar I am with you re the 996; exactly what I thought when the outlay is £18k. Very good mod of the GT86 though

It's what I remembered from the Gran Turismo games

You could get 2 or 3 for that price!

Some people appreciate RWD over FWD.

If you have a GT86. You already don't care what people think. I can't imagine how many people say something like "why buy such a slow sports car". So just get the wing if you want it. You only live once

It's the Aero rather than TRD. Biggest giveaway is the Aero spoiler and no quad exhaust tips as the TRD has.

Thanks chap!

i think you can get an app for your phone now that allows you to use your camera and it scans and translates the text for you. im not sure what its called or if its android or IOS only.

@@Dockhead Do you speak japanese well? Are you qualified enough to tell that those translation devices/sites/apps are good enough? I don't think you're aware about how bad most of these translating apps/sites are. These translation services often restructure the sentences in an unnatural way or take what you wrote to a completely different meaning.

​@@Dockhead I'm not going to answer your question because you didn't answer my questions. When did I say that its YOUR problem that he has Japanese car magazines? You're just being a butthurt armchair critic who clearly claims to be an 'expert' by putting words in my mouth you hopeless shitstain. You're just a delusional dumbfuck who's so gullible with these shitty translation services you ignorant gaijin.

Thanks *laboured intake of breath, thanks evil hayfever*

@@JayEmmOnCars damn that's rough , I hope you find some better tablets soon .

Six thousand pounds and this isn't some old chevy

Cost of develpoment are pretty high, buy you can't argue it's pretty steep especially if put in relation with the original cost of the car. I love this car but justifying this cost is pretty hard.....

Mr. Wiggles I have it on mine with the smaller pulley. Super fun and attracts attention at meets because of the name lol

@@RowdyGT No

My bad. I believe Lotus also used the TVS1320 on the first gen Evora

rao27_ wouldn’t think so...