Superheroes Are Lame Now 

It's not the superheroes, it's the bad writing, the increasingly bad CGI, and having to watch half a dozen TV shows to stay on top of everything. It's not fun anymore.

Comic book characters are lame again. We've come full circle!

I don’t think it’s “fatigue”, but rather we’re just uncomfortable with how they’ve continued to milk a series we felt was an excellent closing to a once-in-a-generation movie franchise.

The problem for me is I think the fact that the stories of superheroes no longer have a human side it feels like. Like in the first iron man, the story is about tony, and how the world forced him to become a superhero, whereas in newer marvel entries it feels like things only happen to move he plot, and there is major lacking in character development as they would rather have blatant fan service.

It's not about superhero fatigue. It's bad movie fatigue.

I think the biggest issue with the idea of superhero fatigue in general is that it’s mainly caused by the absurd momentum of the Hollywood train. Once they pick a trend, they will spend half of the gdp of the industry on it, and make it impossible to pivot for years and years. It always ends in an abrupt crash or nobody is onboard and they have to shut down service to stop wasting money.

Another factor is that for a lot of casual viewers, Avengers Endgame was a satisfying conclusion, and they didn't need more. They weren't interested in superheroes as a concept unto itself as much as they were those characters, and three of the most popular reached the end of their stories in that film. Marvel continuing the overall MCU can feel a bit like a comedian trying to spin along a joke well after the solid punchline landed, with the audience's laughter waning in sincerity with every stretched moment.

You calling out Multiverse of Madness as a turning point is spot on, at least for me. This is when I basically completely stopped caring about Superhero movies. Up till that point I had pretty much watched every Superhero movie in cinema and mostly on the opening week. I don't have Disney+ so I hadn't watched WandaVision but at least I was aware of the plot to some extent but honestly, even I had Disney+ I doubt I'll ever be able to catch-up anytime soon and I am saying this as someone who used to watch CW's DC shows with great interest.

Both the makers behind Spider-Verse, and James Gunn, have commented that people aren't sick of superheroes but rather emotionless films. Most superhero movies now are failing to be unique and have that emotion that can link to anyone, superfan or not. It's simply the fault of bad writing.

Part of the reason I just stopped seeing superhero movies is because I honestly can't be bothered to watch 15 other movies, or getting D+ to watch 50 shows, just to be able to understand a single movie that most likely won't even be good

Great analysis. One thing I think you forgot to mention is that at the time the MCU started the model of an interconnected universe was a new thing in film. You used to have sequels and sometimes prequels and that's it. Nothing like a shared universe outside TV shows or animated shows. So by the time Avengers 1 came around people started to keep up with these films to see where it was going. After Endgame wrapped it up the general public and causal viewers started to not really care that much anymore because of fatigue and dubious quality.

Yeah, you know there's a problem when you relate to the villain more than the rich powerful "superhero" with no weaknesses.

"China has alot of Chinese people, and some of those Chinese people, like to watch movies." The kind of riveting journalism the internet has been missing as of late.

Showing that Guardians of the Galaxy and Spider-Man are still doing well doesn’t make them outliers, it shows that when a character is used well in good movies people will care. Marvel isn’t playing to the fans anymore, they’re just deluded into thinking people will watch anything. People aren’t fatigued of all superheroes, they’re fatigued of the mediocre ones, which tends to be most of them.

I remember back when Avengers Endgame dropped and I said I had superhero fatigue, nobody believed me and I was constantly told I am bluffing and that the superheroes are the next big thing. Seems like I was a few years early lol

12:22 I really loved it when you used footage of Buzz Lightyear of Star Command in place of Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3. People really need to talk about that series more. 😅

It's not fatigue, it's disgust. These movies aren't movies, they drop you in sequel bait ridden half stories that somehow still manage to follow the same formula every time, and it's just a whiplash and a snorefest at the same time. Truly impressive. Not to mention that I honestly can't be fucked to prepare a doctoral thesis every time I wanna watch a goddamn superhero flick geez. IMHO engaging with a movie should come from a place of unpacking what it's saying and how it relates to you (or others) if you're into intellectual viewing, or its sheer dumb emotional spectacle if you're into that, both are valid. It cannot, however, completely depend on its own wiki for its hard-core fans to go "I know that thing!". That's an exam, not cinema. I'm so sick of self-referential auto-fellatiating half movies thinking they're doing something with this, because it is fundamentally built on gatekeeping as a form of engagement. I can't believe the MCU didn't see its endgame with this strategy.

I don’t think people are necessarily tired of superheroes, just tired of cinematic universes. Instead to trying to tell coherent stories, the movies in these cinematic universes spend more time advertising each other

I think Superhero films are more going the way of the Zombie media where there is still a committed audience but ultimately it'll only be watched by the public at large when its only thing on TV or with the few exceptions where the word of mouth manages to spread far enough to actually reach the average joe.

Personal Opinion, Super-hero (and to a certain extent general cinematic fatigue) is a combination of the following: - Superhero movies are almost always CGI heavy which massively inflates the budgets. However, CGI spectacle isn't a major draw anymore, especially when it's as rushed and poorly conceived as is apparent in many of these projects. Avatar 2 is probably the only recent film that has an actual draw based on CGI (and substantially less compared to the first film). CGI is often employed to compensate for poor visual design and the visual effects studios can only do so much to compensate for that directorial failure. - Superhero films aren't generally well written or profound. They've usually been ok-mediocre on the scale of quality (with a few better written exceptions), but have been dipping into bad more frequently. They've tried to cover for that flaw with spectacle, but there have been diminishing returns for spectacle since the mid 2010s. - Part of Marvel's popularity was that seeing the films was a way to be with the cultural in-crowd (something DC films never really had). However, that isn't the case anymore. If anything, it's become the opposite. - Movie tickets are too expensive now. Superhero films are, at least theoretically, typically aimed at families with tween-teen children. Being with a family only compounds the pricing issue. - Streaming or watching a DVD is more convenient, cheaper, and is done on a person's own terms. This is not to mention that RU-vid and Gaming also are competing for watch time. - The Internet has led to an era of media saturation, where everybody has access to a massive amount of past and present content. This means that it is much harder for individual pieces of media to stand out now. Books have suffered massively from that trend as a media source, followed only slightly less profoundly by music. Video Games and TV series weather the pressure better simply because people spend more time with them. Movies would already have to stand out to succeed in this cultural environment, but it seems like hits are becoming more uncertain, including from the nostalgia well. And one also has to wonder what nostalgia looks like with anyone younger than a millennial, or if it'll even exist with the speed of media and trends being milked to disillusionment. 🧐

I think it's two problems: 1. Bad writing 2. So many interconnected movies and shows coming out on an annual basis that it feels like homework to keep up. You can say this is a superhero fatigue of a kind but it's about the total number of superhero shows and content on an annual basis, not the movies themselves

Giving characters from shows nobody has seen their own spin offs to combat dwindling viewing figures is an interesting strategy

The other problem with Wanda Vision and Doc Strange 2 is that neither production talked to eachother. For evidence, Wanda in Wanda Vision learn an important lesson in the show when it cane to using her powers... which seemingly she either forgot it or said F* it for the movie. Theres more out there, just mentioning this one.

It's starting to turn into what comics are like now: depending on which movie (comic) you grab, you may or may not have to watch(read) or research this other movie (comic) to know why this Spderman is actually Doc Oc who possessed and took over Peter parker's body.

I would become thoroughly invested in the MCU again if they announced projects like Terrance Howard and Don Cheedle fighting over the War Machine title

It's very easy to close yourself off in the fandom bubble and think everyone outside it thinks like you. Been heavily into discussions about the MCU, but this video was a pretty big reminder that most people aren't on Twitter or RU-vid discussing movies after they watch them. They just return to their lives and are pulled in soley by marketing and past experiences, so these flops are regular disinterest

Westerns usually come up in any discussion of Superhero Fatigue for obvious comparisons, but it would be interesting to look at an economic analysis of the decline of Western films, televisions shows and fiction. As far as the Hollywood Western, it wasn't simply audience fatigue that affected it. It was also the fact that the locations where these movies and shows were produced were more valuable as property than as locations. So, either the studios needed to pay more or they needed to start making shows and movies with much more affordable settings and locations. In the late 60's and early 70's, when the studio system fell apart and it looked like cinema was dying, the contraction basically killed most major expensive productions. It wasn't simply that audiences were fatigued by Westerns, but they were not interested in cinema in general. Also, there were a lot of alternative options for entertainment as well. However, at the time (and maybe even to today), the most financially successful Western in Hollywood history was produced in 1974 - BLAZING SADDLES. Just a year later, the popular television show GUNSMOKE would go off the air after 20 years pretty much ending the dominant Western genre on television. So in regard to Superheroes, green screen and special effects have replaced the location problem. Heck, almost all shows use it. If there was a popular Old West series on television now, I imagine it would be just as effects heavy to recreate the 1800's period setting as science fiction shows today use effects to create a futurist setting centuries from now. At the same time, though, there is a lot of economic pressure to exploit effects houses. The effects are a big part of what people go to superhero movies to see and in (post)production budgets, they are the most squeezed and really depend on maintaining heavy competition between effects houses to force them to provide higher production value and diminishing costs (and almost no profit). I think in financial and economic terms, that is where the fatigue manifests most greatly as some big-budget movie series are looking increasingly worse as the industry is destroying a big segment of its own fundamental infrastructure.

I was a self described MCU fan (Not a "super fan" by any means) , but my experience is pretty much exactly as you've laid it out. I got tired of trying to keep up with everything happening between ten different movies and TV shows. Which sucks because I actually enjoyed Wanda Vision, they just really should've picked a lane and stuck to it.

I'm not tired of superheroes. I'm tired of bad writers and directors

Best part about this video is the very last sentence. "I'll write a better script next time, I promise." This sums up basically every superhero movie in the last 4 years with very few exceptions

I do think it's not just the quantity of super hero content, the back catalogue as it were, that's leading to fatigue. But the sheer tempo of it. It was pretty cool to go see a marvel film when they only came out once a year and were basically self contained stories. Now it's once a quarter along with two limited series a year. Never has capitalism found a thing that makes money and then not tried to make it make infinite money, after all.

This also shows how miraculous it was that the first Avengers’ “arc” of movies succeeded. The margin of error was reeeaal thin for any entry lest the momentum of the franchise sputter out. I am happy we got to Endgame without total collapse.

The fourth phase of the MCU should've been the Epilogue phase that brings the stories of the remaining superheroes to a close. Some of the movies kind of accomplish this like Dr. Strange and Spiderman.

13:12 "Spiderman is an outlier" Exactly, Spiderman is in a league of his own. He's Stan Lee's boy. Never forget Stan Lee's last words: "God bless. Take care of my boy, Roy."

Thank you for getting me caught up on these movies. As someone who hasn't seen a superhero movie in 20 years, you've really laid out a whole world I did not understand. I'm that casual movie goer you're talking about, and all I know is that I can't see any movie without having seen a dozen other movies. eventually, no one will be caught up and this fad will collapse. I would be game to watch a good movie about a hero if i was standalone. I did watch kickass and enjoyed it.

Yeah. I got tired enough of superheroes after Infinity Wars. I thought Captain Marvel was going to be needed to be seen to understand End Game and I lost my job/home around that time so didn't have a whole lotta' money kicking around. Then I saw just how many friggin' phases they had planned and I noped out.

You touched on some good points. The MCU got boosted by two things... the fan rivalry with DC and China's box office. Then, it got complicated with the multiverse and D+ shows. A lot of the MCU felt like supplemental material leading to the event movies anyway, the TV shows even moreso. Superhero movies became like comics themselves, less accessible the more you get into them

The wakeup call for me was seeing Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania. Not only was the movie poorly written, but it was hard to understand who Kang was, since I never watched Loki before seeing the movie, yet the writers never elaborated on his backstory for people like me that aren't subscribers to Disney Plus.

Great analysis. One thing I think you forgot to mention is that at the time the MCU started the model of an interconnected universe was a new thing in film. You used to have sequels and sometimes prequels and that's it. Nothing like a shared universe outside of TV shows or animated shows. So by the time Avengers 1 came around people started to keep up with these films to see where it was going. After Endgame wrapped it up the general public and casual viewers started to not really care that much anymore because of fatigue and dubious quality. Another factor is that for a lot of casual viewers, Avengers Endgame was a satisfying conclusion, and they didn't need more. They weren't interested in superheroes as a concept unto itself as much as they were those characters, and three of the most popular reached the end of their stories in that film. Marvel continuing the overall MCU can feel a bit like a comedian trying to spin along a joke well after the solid punchline landed, with the audience's laughter growing less sincere with every moment. I do think it's not just the quantity of superhero content, the back catalog as it were, that's leading to fatigue. But the sheer tempo of it. It was pretty cool to go see a Marvel film when they only came out once a year and were basically self-contained stories. Now it's once a quarter along with two limited series a year. Never has capitalism found a thing that makes money and then not tried to make it make infinite money, after all. Your calling out Multiverse of Madness as a turning point is spot on, at least for me. This is when I basically completely stopped caring about Superhero movies. Up till that point, I had pretty much watched every Superhero movie in cinema mostly during the opening week. I don't have Disney+ so I hadn't watched but at least I was aware of the plot to some extent honestly, even if I had Disney+ I doubt I'll ever be able to catch up anytime soon and I am saying this as someone who used to watch CW's DC shows with great interest. Back in the 2000s, it was fun to go to the cinema to watch superhero movies. As you would get one every few years. Seeing movies like Spiderman 2, Batman Begins & The Dark Knight in the cinema was a great experience. Now, not only is there fatigue over superheroes due to their being too much content, but the writing for many Marvel TV shows & movies is now abysmal. Thank you for getting me caught up on these movies. As someone who hasn't seen a superhero movie in 20 years, you've really laid out a whole world I did not understand. I'm that casual moviegoer you're talking about, and all I know is that I can't see any movie without having seen a dozen other movies. eventually, no one will be caught up and this fad will collapse. I would be game to watch a good movie about a hero if I were standalone. I did watch Kickass and enjoyed it. Comic book characters are lame again. We've come full circle! One thing about this is that the general public, being that they aren't as invested in superheroes, they're not seeing every movie that comes out. They're just seeing ones that either personally appeal to them or whatever is available when they need an excuse to go out of the house. So I don't think that fatigue will really set in for them, they're just going to wait for that or something with actual hype. The group that is more likely to suffer fatigue are middling fans, those who got into superheroes, want to commit to keeping up with or getting into these interconnected stories but aren't necessarily die-hard fans, are going to see all these similarities, uneven polish, and general issues that are inherent to a connected universe that will become burnt out. The fact that Guardians 3 and Across the Spiderverse have been successful, I think disproves superhero fatigue. I think you’re right about Marvel having too many shows and alienating casuals. Kahn also hasn’t been set up as well as Thanos. The wow factor of having all these movies connected faded away after Endgame. Poor writing I think is hurting superhero movies more than fatigue. I feel like the examples were a bit strange because basically what you said was “The bad superhero movies did poorly and the good superhero movies did well” which… is like every other film ever. I started getting superhero fatigue when outside of the last Avengers film it was always the same circular story. Hero is introduced It's not fatigue, it's disgust. These movies aren't movies, they drop you in sequel bait-ridden half-stories that somehow still manage to follow the same formula every time, and it's just a whiplash and a snorefest at the same time. Truly impressive. Not to mention that I honestly can't be fucked to prepare a doctoral thesis every time I wanna watch a goddamn superhero flick geez. IMHO engaging with a movie should come from a place of unpacking what it's saying and how it relates to you (or others) if you're into intellectual viewing, or it is sheer dumb emotional spectacle if you're into that, both are valid. It cannot, however, completely depend on its own wiki for its hard-core fans to go "I know that thing!". That's an exam, not a cinema. I'm so sick of self-referential auto-fellating half-movies thinking they're doing something with this because it is fundamentally built on gatekeeping as a form of engagement. I can't believe the MCU didn't see its endgame with this strategy. It's starting to turn into what comics are like now: depending on which movie (comic) you grab, you may or may not have to watch(read) or research this other movie (comic) to know why this Spiderman is actually Doc Oc who possessed and took over Peter parker's body. "I'll write a better script next time, I promise" could be the tagline for every movie that has suffered from "superhero fatigue" It is not just superheroes that I am tired of, I am tired of franchises. Almost all of them are so cookie-cutter nowadays. There is hardly any experimentation happening in the big studios now. Even Nolan is high on his own farts nowadays, which is sad to see. Our only hope is now with small studios and independent creators. 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“China has a lot of Chinese people” “China isn’t America” “Anthony Mackie is black” This the apex of RU-vid’s educational content.

Is it just me, or does it feel like a lot of superheroes don't even have cool, unique powers anymore? They all just run fast and punch really hard for the most part, a few can fly. I want to see heroes with weird powers.

I was already disappointed by Eternals and Doctor Strange multiverse of madness. But for me, the breaking point was Thor Love and Thunder. As I was watching the movie, progressively I felt more and more astonished at how dumb it was. When it reached the scene with the son of Heimdall I felt so insulted by the terrible acting and especially the horrendous CGI that I stopped watching it and never watched again another new MCU movie. Maybe I will make an exception for Guardians 3 only because many people told me that is good.

I feel like the examples were a bit strange because basically what you said was “the bad superhero movies did poorly and the good superhero movies did well” which… is like every other film ever.

"I thought the whole thing was stupid." -The lady behind me in the theater after Age of Ultron ended

This is why I like The Spiderverse movies so much. You don't need to watch any deep lore shows, mediocre streaming filler, or watch a bunch of recaps to know what's going on. Knowing about all that stuff just makes the experience better for Easter eggs, but you can still grasp the majority of the movie going in blind.

It’s called “Bad Movie Fatigue.”

I don't want to be required to do homework in order to enjoy a movie.

It is not a problem with the genre. If you ever noticed recently, both movies, TV series and even anime produce more sequels and spin-offs than actual new original movies. As a member of the general public that have never seen (intentionally) a Marvel or DC movie, I will always give a try to something new and interesting. That's how you become a fan. Watching a sequel or a spin-off with a lot of internal references provides no value if you are not a fan already. The second problem is the genre itself. A superhero is a superhero because of an superhuman ability. Using that to handle regular human criminals won't be that interesting, you need a supervillain to make it interesting. First few times we saw this formula, it was interesting. You can be successful with the same formula if you make the qualities of the hero/villain more interesting. For example, Dr. Octopus in Spiderman have been interesting villain the first time, but you needed to make Joker a way more interesting and different kind of villain to make the same formula work for the second time in Batman (otherwise, people that have seen Spiderman won't be that astonished in Batman). The problem is, if you see something new and expected the first time, it will always be more entertaining than something you have seen before. A good story must not exactly match a genre, it must redefine or even create a new genre on its own. A good new and original story will be difficult to define on existing genre.

I think it’s less people are sick of superheroes and that people are sick of every superhero movie having the same plot

I thought I had an understanding of what the general public's knowledge was about these things, but I actually got a little surprise regarding that a little while ago when I found out my parents thought The Mandalorian took place before the prequels.

Back in the 2000s, it was fun to go to the cinema to watch superhero movies. As you would get one every few years. Seeing movies like Spiderman 2, Batman Begins & The Dark Knight in the cinema were great experiences. Now, not only is there fatigue over superheroes due to their being too much content, but the writing for many Marvel TV shows & movies is now abysmal.

Its not that they are lame now, its that they're being handled by lame writers now

Batman is the best hero in the Darkhorse Universe. When he teamed up with Kirk and the rest of the Guardians of the Galaxy to take the magic amulet to the Deathly Hallows to destroy the evil Darth Mordor it brought a tear to my eye.

I can kind of agree with this. Most people just go and watch a movie because their friends say it’s good or not. Everyone winds up hopping on a trend. It happens in games, books, movies, etc. And the superhero trend is dying out because everything feels the same and, as you outlined, forcing people to watch Disney+ to understand what’s going on does not work. It’s a similar problem to the comics. People might like a certain character and read their stories and maybe a few others, but mostly they’re not going to give a shit until there’s a crossover event which just leaves them confused. Honestly, I’m decently invested in the Marvel stuff, but there’s some shows I still haven’t bothered to watch like She-Hulk or Ms. Marvel because they didn’t matter at the time to any overarching plot. But now to understand The Marvels, I have to watch Ms. Marvel. Which is just annoying that I need to watch something in another medium for so long to get why she is a thing and what she’s going through. I feel like half of Marvel’s projects will get canned (looking at you, Echo) or just have their plots added to something else. It’s even been said Armor Wars was a TV show and now is being reworked into a movie. Honestly, if something just isn’t working, they’re better off just cutting it out before they spend an obscene amount of money on it. Like with The Flash. After all the trouble with Ezra Miller, they should’ve just vaulted it and cancelled it. Blue Beetle is coming out soon and even in some of the DC fandoms I see online, no one cares about that movie. I certainly don’t. Sure, he’s also in the Injustice games, but how many normies have played that? Also, the CGI increasingly looks like shit because the artists are too overworked. Which then hurts the next bunch of movies because if one movie has shoddy CG, then the next ones after will be presumed to be the same.

To be honest, we all also hate those "main character is a teenager and he balances his superhero life with his school life" TV series, because they're just... they've been done so many times! Like who wouldn't be tired of the same concept for so many TV series?! They're all the same!!!

The fact that Guardians 3 and Across the Spiderverse have been successful, I think disproves super hero fatigue. I think you’re right about Marvel having too many show and alienating casuals. Kahn also hasn’t been set up as well as Thanos. The wow factor of having all these movies connected faded away after Endgame. Poor writing I think is hurting superhero movies more than fatigue.

I dont think the problem is that there's superhero fatigue, but its that there's lots of extra shows that are forced down your throat and the new movies being made are bad/mid and they have bad CGI, lazy writing and mid acting.

Its more like a bad movies fatigue. Bad movies always existed, but in this age of information, people can see if a movie is bad or good, or in another words, if their investment will worth, before really watch it. The movie industry is suffering the same problem as "live service games", people only have a limited amount of money and time to spend on anything, so people will chose more carefully their options. Also, because of the Herd behavior, and people's necessity of "belonging" to a group, only a small number of movies will drag any attention, the rest of the industry will fail hard.

Disney cant be excused by Super hero fatigue, not with The Boys and Invincible doing pretty well. But they choosed a model that just cannot work. I think they're only chance is to do X-Men, but they need a good plan and actually make something that people will be hyped about.

Maybe superhero fatigue is real but poor writing is definitely real and more important to me. Good movies, shows, books these days are rare

Thank you for talking about the general public and their relationship to these films. Glup Shitto not returning was not the reason this movie was a box office bomb

I haven't seen the video yet, but I've heard this before and I will repeat it here. People aren't tired of superheroes, they're tired of mediocrity, People can't be "tired of superheroes" while simultaneously buying enough tickets to see The Batman, GotG 3 and Spider-Verse that they're all massive successes. Heck, Invincible and the Boys are both superhero shows and they're also massive successes. If it's good, people will watch it. I don't think it's more complicated than that.

It's the 90s all over again. It's like these companies didn't learn from the past. In the 90s collectibles (sports cards, Comics, CCGs) over printed everything. Essentially making everything from that era worthless because it was rushed out and over produced/printed. It almost killed multiple industries. This is the same but in cinematic form.

14:45 DO IT!

I think people are mostly just sick of bad writing, the studios refuse to let their characters develop at all, so every now and then you get an endgame or guardians of the galaxy 3 in which the characters are at risk of dying, growing and ultimately leaving because the actors playing them have just grown tired of the same gig for 12 years

It's true that the tickets sold to the comic geeks alone aren't enough to make a successful blockbuster, but I think the people behind these franchises have severely underestimated the value of their support. Not only will they buy tickets on opening weekend if they're excited, but they'll hype up the movie to all their non-geek friends and coworkers. When those people are looking for a movie to watch on the weekend, they'll remember that new Marvel movie and figure it's probably a good one because Tim from accounting said so and he's the guy who knows about comic book stuff and the superhero movies he says to watch are always good. Free publicity and grassroots support helped make the MCU into the zeitgeist it became and I think that turning off the superfans is costing them more than they think.

"I'll write a better script next time, I promise" could be the tagline for every movie that has suffered from "superhero fatigue"

Barbie making $700M in its first week sort of puts the nail in the coffin on the "go woke, go broke" idea that some superhero fans think. It isn't "go woke, go broke". It's "superheroes are boring. what's new?"

I completely agree, people do have Super Hero fatigue. I think the issue comes from greedy execs who have a product they want to sell rather than a good story to tell.

The only two superheroes that I believe are exempt from the current superhero fatigue are Batman and Spider-Man. While Batman wasn't enough to carry the Flash to success, "The Batman" did really well and a lot of people enjoyed it. Holland's Spider-Man seems to be doing well and obviously Spider-verse is going crazy, so I agree with many people when they say they aren't tired of superheroes, they're tired of interconnected worlds and spin offs and having to keep tabs on every little thing in order to know what's going on.

Will always love old Superhero movies though such as Superman, Superman II, Batman (1989), Batman Returns (1992) Dark knight trilogy etc

This is why people love The Boys and Invincible

The fact that currently one of the few decent superhero shows is The Boys (a show which explicitly satirises the genre) shows just how far these franchises have been pushed past their prime.

This is what happens if something as nerdy, geeky, or underground as superheroes become so streamlined and casualized to the point where they're no longer a special thing to like anymore.

Its kindof ironic that you talked about the comic book superfans not causing high ticket sales and then said its not a good comparison between Western's and superhero movies becuz the old cowboys were watching out of nostalgia. Actual old cowboys with direct experience, and even those with secondhand direct experience (children of cowboys, etc), would have been in the minority of the contemporary audience just like the superhero genre and it's analogous superfans. The nostalgia that Westerns inspired in it's mostly non-cowboy audience is the same as the nostalgia that the superhero genre inspires in it's mostly non-superfan audience. All in all, I think its actually a great comparison. NB. that was painful to write, KnowledgeHusk... your welcome (11:31)

I remember listening to a radio show(ironic since super heroes are starting to become old fashioned) and they had on the new rockstars as a guest, no joke since the host duo loved the movies. Around 2020 ish and they all were saying "man just wait till covid is over and phase 4 or whatever it was starts up" the host goes "Do you think they will ever go the way of the western movie?" and I think about that convo a lot lol

I actually like how laid back this video felt, and I’m glad someone gets it. I think the time has come to either let it go or take a nice long hiatus and come back with something new/ interesting or to continue what was in an interesting manner.

Speaking as a member of the general public on this one. I've never been extremely into superheroes, but I did enjoy some characters and followed their progression through different franchises in the past. Lately, I feel that way TOO MANY superheroes have made their appearance on screen and some of them seem completely useless, so watching each of the new ones become main characters with their own franchise over and over ... is tiring. For me it became a chore to try and keep up with all the superheroes and try to understand which ones are part of the same universe and how their stories connect. I haven't watched a superhero movie in at least 4 or 5 years and I don't plan on watching any soon.

Its just adults wearing costumes trying to act badass with corny one-liners reenacting the same plot over and over and over again. Been tired of the genre since iron man 3

It's basically the same principle as the comics, bad writing, care, and accuracy. I could watch every Marvel and DC movie, but the less they've tried, the less I've cared. Started to consider not watching stuff since Captain Marvel. So having all these shows and books that can be confusing, dont matter, and are too many just don't work like all these different versions of things. Spider-Verse is great, but the comic characters and story suck and haven't seen the 2nd one, but more present feeling bad seeing all of them in the 2nd ones trailer. Great writing saved the 1st one, 2nd one not sure. I've been saying it for a while, I think people not picking favourites and following everybody, hurt it even more. As long as they stay general fans, you could see a decline. Don't have to pick a favourite, but if they don't start caring more, then I think you're correct. It's kind of like this vicious cycle, you become more a comic fan, both are pretty much terrible. You had these decent periods, with some great stuff in between, but since a few years ago bad. There's been fatigue in the comics, so why not other media if they continue to be really terrible. They're also not putting their best foot forward, DCs great with the shows, Marvel no. Didn't put the best heroes out first in their shows and movies since Agents of Shield for the shows and Captain Marvel for the movies, and DC in a way since the DCEU with Suicide Squad. Didn't have to have every hero have solo films, strange picks. Just start with the best heroes to lesser bests or follow how the books introduced them, DC's actually better in that sense, for the DCEU with Superman and Batman. Also Flash mans still cool in my eyes ha, followed pretty much everything about him Barry that is. Movie was decent, coulda been better. Know you're just saying, but the Spidey films and Iron Man's appearances have been consistently great. The top tier guys if handled well, should be fine.

I've seen many of the newest superhero movies myself, and it isn't a fatigue for these types of films that makes me tired. Even as a general audience member, I can see when a movie isn't good and never support it again. It's only now that the number of bad movies are increasing that the tiredness began to set in. You would rather just stop watching stuff than be disappointed and have a poor experience.

'Superhero fatigue' means "Oh shit, we actually have to try and not half-ass it anymore as a studio."

MCU should have ended with Endgame, trying to extend it without knowing what they’re doing or where they’re going just to keep the capital coming is doing more harm than if they wrapped it up and did started new with focusing on an Xmen cinematic project. It’s not only greed but laziness as to why they’re in the position they are, and it will only get worse for them as they use AI and scabs to continue their lukewarm series. They won’t understand how much their empire is about to fall all because they prioritized money above art.

You are spot on. The only way for someone passionate about something to see the true scale of how much other people care for that one thing is to get offline and live in the real world. You will see how little other people talk about that thing, how short promotions like billboards and special deals last, and how little people even talk about the medium your beloved passion is on in general. This is media, politics, physical goods, trends, people, etc. The vast majority of people don't even recognise when some actors are recast. I didn't know the Reggie character in Riverdale was different from the first season until I looked up the dude I saw in the other show he did that I forget about and wanted to know why he looked familiar. I just never paid attention to the dude enough in the show. Most people aren't Liberals or Conservatives and just think of people are incredibly mentally ill or incapable of keeping religion out of other people's lives. I hadn't even known 'Supreme' was a thing until a few months ago and apparently it didn't last long. And I'm just now learning about people who were meant to be the next big pop star five years ago from retrospective videos here on RU-vid. For fuck's sake, I didn't even know K-pop was popular here until last year, I just thought Gagnam Style came and went and that was it. All of that is the case because I don't live online. I mentioned most of it (all of it being true, though) because I'm sure some of you will be amused by one or two aspects of it. You're welcome for the laugh. But it goes to show how warped everything is online and how little any of it actually matters to someone not only disconnected from your passion but who puts their phone down for more than half an hour. So, I guess my advice to ground yourself back into reality would be to turn off your phone and go live a little. I'm just now wondering whether or not there was a point to this comment. Alright, thanks for letting me ramble, I suppose. 🤘

To correct a minor point, people who remember the ending to Endgame would know Falcon is the new Captain America, since he was named that at the end of the last film. The show was made to basically leave the characters in the same position as when the show began to use them in future movies without doing what Wandavision kinda did

You don't need to write a better script. This video is exactly what certain individuals needed to hear.

With movies like Joker and The Batman being a success, I say its more people tired of bad movies that are more busy trying to sequel bait than telling a full entertaining story that doesnt need to connect to a hundred shows.

Tyler your day long stream yesterday was legendary .. on par with glitching through h2 campaign .. sometimes you have to have a friend to make a glitch work. You and Cody killed it!,

The topic of superhero fatigue is basically universal at this time. It feels like a waiting game.

The ideia of pressuring the public to watch a mediocre tv series to understand a mediocre movie didn't worked the first time, I don't know why they tried another 10 times. Even worse, some blame the fans for it not working

Imagine what the last 20 years felt like to somebody like me who actually hates superhero movies. And Zombie movies too. I mean, seriously: Adult people in children's fancy spandex costumes behaving like lunatics. I can stomach that in a comic book, and maybe animation - but movies?! I have been to the cinema like 3 times since 2000. Jane Austen, Dune and I don't even whatitwas. :P

Superhero writing is what I'm tired of. The style of dialogue, the tropes, the cinematography, they're all something I'd like a break from.

I was hit with Gilgamesh fatigue for a while when it was popular, but now I’m pretty nostalgic for it and I’m glad the 2100bc aesthetic is coming back

I had a mental twitch when you called AUNT May "Spider-Man's mom". I know it makes sense in context, but still.

The first part of the video, when you list who oblivious some film goers are about the Superhero fandom reminded of 2012, when, as I recall, some people were pondering why isn't Batman in The Avengers (or even TMNT lol)

It less superhero fatigue and more the fact that the people making the movies stopped caring about making good movies

The only heroes I need are Bionicles

It is not just superheroes that I am tired of, I am tired of franchises. Almost all of them are so cookie cutter nowadays. There is hardly any experimentation happening in the big studios now. Even Nolan is high on his own farts nowadays, which is sad to see. Our only hope is now with small studios and independent creators. Some of them have can be truly exceptional in their craft and deserve our support.

MCU after Endgame was so lame that even my normie friends have lost 100% interest in anything Marvel now. They don't even want to talk about it for 10 seconds.

This video raises some valid points about the current state of superhero movies, particularly within the MCU and DCU. It's clear that there's a sense of fatigue setting in among audiences, and this is something that both franchises need to address. For the MCU, one of the main issues seems to be the interconnectedness of their films and TV shows. While this strategy has been successful in the past, it's starting to alienate casual viewers who don't have the time or interest to keep up with every piece of content. A potential solution could be to create more standalone films that don't require extensive knowledge of the MCU's complex timeline and character relationships. This would allow casual viewers to enjoy the films without feeling like they're missing out on important context. As for the DCU, the main problem seems to be a lack of consistent quality and direction. James Gunn's involvement could be a positive step forward, but it's crucial that he's given the creative freedom to execute his vision. The DCU needs to establish a clear identity that distinguishes it from the MCU, rather than trying to replicate its success. Perhaps focusing on darker, more mature themes (as seen in standalone films like Joker) could be a viable strategy. In terms of intellectual properties, both franchises need to be careful not to over-saturate the market. It's important to give audiences a break between major releases to prevent fatigue. This also allows for anticipation to build for upcoming films. The success of standalone films like Logan, the Dark Knight trilogy, and the Spiderman trilogy shows that there's a market for superhero films that break the mold. These films succeeded because they prioritized storytelling and character development over spectacle and franchise-building. Both the MCU and DCU could benefit from taking a similar approach. In terms of revitalizing the superhero genre, it's crucial to remember that innovation and creativity are key. Audiences are drawn to fresh, unique stories, so it's important to continue pushing the boundaries of what a superhero film can be. This could involve exploring different genres within the superhero framework, focusing on lesser-known characters, or experimenting with unconventional narrative structures. Ultimately, while the current state of superhero films is concerning, it's far from disastrous. With the right approach, both the MCU and DCU have the potential to bounce back and continue captivating audiences for years to come.