Yes, as a matter of fact, in 1976, Gerry Conway was heard having this conversation with Dc's and Marvel's editors. "Listen, I know the segmentwith the African tribes doesn't relly contribute to anything, but hear me out: imagine, for a second, in less than a couple of decades, computers all being linked together in a sort of interconected system that spans around multiple countries, a "World Wide Web", if you will. If such a thing happened, I'm sure that this joke about Superman being culturally insensitive will be the thing we need to secure this books success as a classic! Also, do you think you can reconsider your decision about cutting the two dick jokes during Sup and Spidey's fight? I really think it adds something to the overarching plot!"
This superman reminds me of the superman, justice league and justice league unlimited animated series, it was always my favorite how his character was more careful with his strength.
@@littlebitsofterror5788 Anyone who thinks Superman can't be cool, just look up "Superman world of cardboard." Superman is freaking awesome in that moment.
17:00 I kind of imagined them meeting in jail like this: Dr. Octopus: So what they get you for? Lex Luther: Giant robot, try to steal something, foiled by superhero. Dr. Octopus: *scoffs* Same. Lex: Superheroes am I right?! Doc Oc: Tell me about it.
Sketchman911 Mind you it was because Lex Luthor’s very first crime was stealing cakes from a bake sale in high school because from day one he liked to retaliate against institutions that don’t promote his brilliance, in this case the science fair
LOIS LANE: Thank you for agreeing to this interview Mr. Luthor. LEX LUTHOR: My pleasure, Ms. Lane. And please, call me Lex. LOIS LANE: Ok, why did you steal forty cakes, Lex? LEX LUTHOR: Allegedly? LOIS LANE: Allegedly. LEX LUTHOR: Allegedly, because I could. LOIS LANE: Allegedly? LEX LUTHOR: Allegedly.
The image of Luthor riding piggyback on Dr. Octopus was so memorable that it got worked into, of all things, Avengers Forever in a sequence about alternate universes. That's a book that doesn't even feature Spider-Man but Kurt Busiek couldn't resist having Carlos Pacheco draw them in.
I love the image of Superman just letting himself be punched until the other guy tires himself out. It's the sort of thing only Superman could or would do.
Wait a minute . . .The comic mentions NASA sending its first laboratory up into space, but then later we see the Injustice Gang's orbital headquarters. Forget the USSR nearly winning the Space Race, how depressing is it that SUPERVILLAINS beat NASA at building a Space Station.
Because DC and Marvel have what’s called a sliding timescale basically it DC and Marvel just refused to let their characters age past 20 or 30. This is the reason why Spider-Man and Robin the first one remain teenagers for so long and only recently allowed them to become adults as they did not want to age up their characters so much in the fear of having them be retired, so anytime DC and Marvel a redo characters origins but several characters from the 1940s such as for DC the justice Society of America and for Marvel the invaders are from the 1940s so when the question is asked of when did Batman and Superman debut and when did the marvel age began depends on the time the origins are being retold in marvel is said that 20 or 15 years have passed since the marvel age began as for DC. It’s been 20 or 30 years. The problem is when you have 60+ years of history it cause problems for marvel since it never had a reboot, a successful one you have to make recon certain things like for example read reacher and Ben Grimm fought in World War II in older tales well characters like Wolverine can get away with this well upper characters cannot so they have to make up new wars like with Iron Man who has to push it to whatever war is happening at the time this is most the reason why comics of the big two is hard to get into you have so much history and backed in the Internet did not exist
They are easier to treat in the real world too... Go figure, a gun blowing a whole through something tearing jagged chunks of flesh out as it goes isn't supes easy to stich up and slap and a bandaid on... Stab wounds CAN be just as lethal, but assuming we're just talking treating a non fatal wound, then a stab wound is WAY easier to treat than a gunshot wound
Honestly, JLA/Avengers is one of my favourite comics ever. It feels so...natural, so well thought out? and I love all of the fights-Especially the climax, the parts with the rosters changing from era to era!
I completely agree with you that the DCAU "World's Finest" is the best way to pull that off. I loved that movie as a kid and I still do now. They need to get the writers behind that to direct the new DC movies
@@JinxProductions Well while I think for what it is it has better execution, a few things to remember. First, it's basically an extended episode, and as such it's animation quality is that of cartoons of the time (not they are much better now but still), but what suffer the most is the directing. It's.... kind of basic. The same goes with the writing. It's tight, but it lacks ambition. It's just "two popular superheroes fighting a villain", it lacks any sense of themes and ideas. Now, don't get me wrong: I think Batman V Superman UTTERLY FAILS at executing it's ambition, and despite some impressive shots, the directing also suffer from a lot of issues. I'm not trying to say it's any "good", nor that the TV special was bad, I'm just saying that comparing the two seems....... Out of place. They clearly do not have the same ambitions, and the most we can say is that one fails while the other succeeds.
@@tylerbertram7065 I would as well but if we're going by their 90s shows, it has to be Barnes and Daly. Personally, I'd like a Batman vs Spider Man movie with Conroy and Keaton as their characters.
That reminds me of a crossover idea I had, what would WW2 be like with the superheroes of the 40s from Marvel and DC that were around at the time. I was thinking, the first super hero team, Justice Society of America with Captain America, Wonder Woman, Human Torch, Blue Beetle, Namor, The Flash, Wolverine and Green Lantern. First people to have those names by the way.
"Notice how I didn't make any Superior Spider-Man references here" .......Because that was actually a pretty okay story-line that just had some dumb story bits here and there and the main reason people hated it was because it was in the main Spider-Man books and not some alternate universe Spider-Man or some indie comic with Spider-Man and Doc Ock stand-ins?
a teacher i had in high school offered me not the comic boom in spanish but the opportunity to read it. i could have enough time. i regret it i know octopus and spiderman get the short end of the stick. but considering his spiderman has been on mainstream media for barely a decade, they could have him rescuing civilians while superman handles the big threats. is not helped the luthor and superman are in their silver age levels of power. still this is a good comic
I agree with you, Linkara. I hate it when superheroes spend the whole time fighting each other rather than the villains. Particularly Batman and Superman fighting because they have "different ideologues" when that is strait crap. They have different (methods), yes but they have the exact same ideology. A symbol to strike fear in to the wicked and inspire hope in the good and innocent. Just because they go about it in different ways, Bats though the shadows and Supes in the light if day, doesn't mean that their end goals are any different and I am sick of bad writers and dumbass fanboys thinking that it does.
I don't think Superman aims at striking fear, most of the time he gives speech about the villains being better than they are and rethink their life while Batman simply break bones, and knowing that a guy dressed as a bat punch criminals at night isn't really inspiring hope. They might respect each other but with all the kryptonite traps and superbots army in the fortress of solitude they will have conflict between the two
+alucardyoici Well superman does strike fear because he's unstoppable. Batman can't engage people with guns as easily as supes can so he has to knock them out and that means breaking bones in the process in some cases
+alucardyoici That and Gotham is different that Metropolis. Gotham is that bad part of the neighborhood you have to stay out. So batman helps by being ruthless. If anything I like that phrase from the Noland movies. Batman is the hero that Gotham needs as it needs someone to clean up crim ans act better than the police bit it's not the one it deserves as batman's methods can be a bit harsh
Zxzero36 yes Batman needing to break bones because he is weak kind of stopped making sense when he made a battle armor that can spar with superman. And if if being unstoppable was all it took to strike fear every heroes including batman would scare criminals after the third time they beat darkseid
***** Oh yeah cause batman is impervious to bullets and can just whisk the villains away with out harm can he? Its allways better to make sure your opponents cant fight back. Thats why beanbag guns are used sometimes they also can break bones mostly ribs. Tear gas is horrible but it gets the job done with out loss of life. Power armor is bulky and is an easy target. Batman works in the shadows.Remember the hell-bat armor can kill him which is why he doesn't use it. Not everyone in comics is smart you know
I do think the team up/fight is actually very natural; they're both newsmen who use their investigative jobs to find crimes, and their most famous enemies are mad scientists; it's going to be a very smart thing considering that Spidey is a scientist and Supes is pretty damn smart.
This is one of my favorite reviews just for how incredibility amazing it is to have both iconic characters come together. Lewis is spot on as usual and it's great that he was able to spotlight a team up that has really unfairly been tossed aside by both companies. Speaking of which, while I prefer Spider-man to Sups, even I know that he would've been beaten pretty easily by the Man of Tomorrow, and I like how the red sun gun or whatever it is, gave Spidey a leg up in the fight.
Wonder what Linkara thinks about the new ongoing Spider-Man book which has Peter and MJ and Mayday all fighting crime with powers. DC Rebirth is a nice shot in the arm for DC's characters, I really enjoy it.
I want DC and Marvel to do another crossover, hell I'd even write it myself, they need to stop this nonsense where they can't get along, fans and kids alike want another crossover.
I like how the warehouse Sups smashes through is owned by the ACME company. It’s like this comic knew DC and Looney Tunes would later be owned by the same people. And before anyone corrects me I did my research. Warner Bros did not own DC in the 70’s.
Andrew Bull I am not really a fan of this cross over team up, I feel that Supes pulled all the weight while Spidey was just there to occasionally shoot webs.
Maybe it's my Marvel - bias talking, but I feel that the story isn't very good once you get past the novelty of Superman and Spider-Man meeting. After his fight with Superman, you could digitally erase Spidey from every panel and the story would be more or less the same. All the obstacles and problems the duo faces are solved by Superman, while Spidey just stands there and drools over how awesome Superman is. The scene with the computer even completely ignores both spider-sense and the fact that Spidey is super-genius. What is even the point of making the story a crossover, if one of the heroes is going to be completely useless? Also, a fun fact. In the Finnish translation of this comic, Clark Kent's workplace was changed to Daily Planet and his boss to Perry White.
Well, if they just shot Superman with the red sun radiation... yeah, that'd temporarily depower him, but then there wouldn't be someone distracting Spider-Man. Making Spidey able to match blows with Supes for a while keeps them both busy with each other and thus out of the villains' hair. And there's the added bonus of the fight potentially damaging the heroes' cred.
Except that there's no need to distract Spidey because they're both hidden and Spidey has mad on for Superman. My biggest question is, if Luthor has so much red sun radiation at his disposal, why is Superman still such a problem?
GeneralKenobi75 "They're both hidden" doesn't mean that Spidey wouldn't try to FIND them, idiot. They obviously wanted to both distract and bait Spidey because, if you'll recall, the *reason* Spidey has a mad-on for Superman is because of Luthor-disguised-as-Supes seemingly vaporizing Mary Jane!!!
ZeldaTheSwordsman No need to get nasty. Also, Spiderman wouldn't go after them because he doesn't know they're behind it, he's still going after Superman.
I would like to see a Dragon Ball Z/Superman crossover where Supes and Goku work together from the start and the question of them fighting each other never even comes up.
Hell, pretty sure Goku would know that Supes is a good guy from the get go..though he would point out that he looked like that weird guy from Penguin Village..also, what's your poison? Mxy combining Darkseid with Majin Buu? Frieza with Mongul...or Cell with Doomsday? So that Goku and Superman would do the fusion dance?
I hope this happen, not only because I love crossover and the two franchise. But aslo for SHUT FUCK UPING this assholle who want to know who is stronger.
I could picture the crossover starting off on a very bad start. Superman friends & Goku's friends are scattered across a battlefield. Some are dying or severely injured, Superman & Goku are fighting a new villain. Who is this villain? I can't think of a name, but the new villain is more than a match for Superman & Goku. Goku & Superman look at each other & (without uttering a word) wonder if this will be the one fight they wont win. After a series of events, Superman & Goku triumph. With senzu beans & Dende's help, everybody is healed. Goku: Before me & my friends return home, I would like to say that its been an honor to fight along side you. Superman: Likewise. Goku: Though we come from different worlds, let us part as brothers. Superman: I agree. Superman & Goku shake hands & the credits roll.
...NO! Next week, a book I despise as much as many despise "One More Day" or "Cry For Justice," the book that heralded the Crisis Age of the 2000s and brought an end to so many glorious comics. Tear it a new one, Linkara.
Thanks for this, I bought this comic when it first came out. Parents threw it out with my collection long ago. Loved the big pages. Couldn't find it anywhere till now.
Yes and no, I was reading up about Superhero crossovers with real life people when I heard the news of his death, I had already known of the crossover so I naturally decided to learn more about the crossover and it sounds glorious in a way that Linkara would enjoy.
The Booster Gold issues with Ronald Regan are in the DC showcase presents Booster Gold vol one, which just so happens to be the first comic book I ever bought because of Linkara.
Luthor: Teleoperation can sometimes be somewhat unsettling, I know. Linkara: If you can teleport, why did you take the shuttle up. Me: Uh, I think you already got your answer Lewis. Luthor clearly feels uncomfortable about using it on himself but doesn't care how it effects his captors. Also, I now imagine Lois and Merry Jane as some Cronenberg monstrosity that resulted from being teleported and Sups and Spidey have to stop them and find a way to reverse the effects.
23:00 You obviously haven't read many of the storylines dealing with MJ's past. Long story short, she's a total gadfly who enjoys getting a rise out of people as a way of hiding her personal pain. She was just kidding around with Lois.
i dont remember when it turns out she found out peter's identity.especially considering this is 3 years after the 1° step into the end of th silver age of comic books (the night gwen stacy died, the others were Crisis/Secret Wars and the final step Watchmen)
The whole thing of heroes fighting other heroes rather than fighting bad guys and wrong-doers is just kinda pointless until there is a good reason why (looking at you, Marvel Comics). And yeah doing fun crossovers between two different franchises is fun like the Jimmy Neutron and Fairly OddParents crossovers, the NickToons video games, the Batman/Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles crossover, the Avengers/JLA comic book crossover mini-series, etc. than the whole dumb thing of "heroes vs. heroes rather than villains" is so repetitive and uncreative (looking at you, Neo-Saban Era by splitting an single PR season into two parts and making the second part as "Super" seasons which is so GOSH DARN STUPID AND I FLIPPIN' HATE IT!!!
I'd like to believe that Universe 616 is where all the original comic book universes (& other franchises) exist: the original DC & Marvel Comics, the Mirage Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles comics (it's implied the same accident that turned Matt Murdok into Daredevil also created the TMNY) Generation 1 of Transformers & GIJoe & the Spawn comics (because Marvel now owns the rights to the Spawn character Angela) & possibly others (Spawn appeared in Soul Calibur 2, the Soul/Tekken series crossover with Star Wars, God of War, Nier, the Witcher, Assassin's Creed & the Nintendo verse)
***** I thought it was Batman V Superman when I believe atman comments that the harbour is abandoned on Sundays, meaning no civilian casualties. And it just comes off as silly.
29:24 okay that part in the comic actually made me laugh, i mean not everyone in a tribe follows all of it, they can study other cultures and knowledge of other countries, baby steps toward a literal united nations
Jimmy Olsen in 1976 was a junior reporter, he wasn't a photographer, and had been since 1940. This is probably due to one thing, Superman: the Movie! Jimmy Olsen was introduced to a very large non comic reading audience and his career was staff photographer. One would think that this change would influence the comics somehow, being that it seems to be the thing, to do these days to make the comics more movie like, with the comics these days constantly revamping the looks and attitudes to better match their on screen counterparts. This didn't happen here, from 1978 and on, Jimmy was a reporter for the Galaxy network and while occasionally grabbing a camera and snapping photos, it would take 15 or so years and one comic reboot for this to become his most remembered and closely associated career. It wasn't until 1991, when Jimmy fired from the Daily Planet due to budget cuts, and living out of his car, found a camera, and took pictures of a battle occurring, that Jimmy found his calling, a photographer.
Here's a tiny side-note regarding this Comics title in other countrys: They actually renamed Spider-Man in Germany for this comic. Yes. Just for this one comic he got renamed. Just look up "Super-Man VS Super-Spider". Again, yes, I'm not kidding. Sadly there are no official informations why this change was made, but if I would have to guess I think that the German editorial maybe had a similiar problem with Spideys adjectives and then decided to even it out in some way. Still very weird, esspecially when you consider that Spideys name was already changed up to beginn with in Germany. Nearly ever published Marvel Hero got a translated name for the German speaking market. For example, Spider-Man was changed to "Die Spinne" (Which translates back just to "The Spider") and Iron-man was known as "Der Eiserne" ("The Iron-One") until the mid-90s.
Let's see Spiderman Has Reflexes, Agility, Webbing, Spider Sense, Speed, Strength, Durability, Balance, Wall Crawling, Combative Skills, Genius Level IQ, Healing Factor, And Stealthiness Superman Has X Ray Vision, Super Hearing, Heat Vision, Freeze Breath, Strength, Speed, Durability, Flight, Healing Factor, Reflexes, Stealthiness, Brains, Microscopic Vision, And Solar Flare. Overall Superman has more edges most of the time
Normandy and Britain? Seriously, not Stalingrad and Kursk? I would say those two places were far more historically important than D-Day and the Battle for Britain.
You know I just realized something about the DC and Marvel Universes. In the DC universe every superhero (or at least every big named superhero) has their own city where they fight crime in. Batman Gotham, The Flash Central City, Superman Metropolis. And another thing about they have in common is that, with the exception of Metropolis, their all fictional. Compare that to the Marvel Universe where all the big shot superheroes are all station in New York City. Fantastic Four, Avengers, Spider-Man. And to top it all off I don't think New York City is ever mention in the DC Universe. At least from the comics I've read.
What's your beef with JLA/Avengers? *SPOILERS FOR THOSE THAT DID NOT READ IT!* I thought it was pretty good, the heroes acting irrationally made sense given the device centered around their confrontations was based on their ability to take the most powerful macguffins of the opposing universe, so everyone being more on edge and quick to act made sense, not to mention that not all the heroes were going for each other's throats, Batman and Cap knew something was wrong, and even teamed up. And the big team up battle on the Galactus fortress with all past incarnations and members of the respective teams was awesome, Thor and Superman tag teaming, Wonder Woman having the chance to battle alongside her mother against Surtur, Supes weidling Cap's Shield and Mjolnir to break down Kronas' fortress. I know with how much you hate Cry for Justice, you would get a kick out of Cap pummeling Prometheus like nobody's business. Hell, the opposing philosophies that drive the Avengers and the Justice League almost literally go head-to-head. With Supes seeing the Avengers as ineffectual and almost neglectful (the Avengers trying not to meddle with the lives of citizens) while Cap sees the Justice League as just another Squadron Supreme (with how much more involved the JL is in their world), ready to take over another Earth. It was actually the book that got me into reading comics.
I think the biggest problem was they threw too much in.....They could have just done a book with the biggest of the big instead it threw in everyone from D-man to Aztek ...like the artist was paid by the character
Well, they DID have George Perez in charge of art. I’m also willing to let JLA/Avengers get away with that since it’s the last crossover Marvel and DC have had and it’s almost 20 years old
17:40 really funny you say that cause this universe dubbed the crossoververse talks about its own version of the clone saga it’s only talked about not seen but it had not only Ben Reily living but Peters Daughter May as well
as someone who is from St louis, I noticed the Busch stadium in that panel was under construction. at the time this comic came out, that ballpark would've been completed for over a decade
Hey I read this at the library back when I was a kid. It was in a giant trade, collection of DC and Marvel Crossovers; that also has the X men team up with the New Teen Titans, and Hulk vs Batman.
