Supernatural 15x17 - Dean to Sam : "Jack is not family!" 

Depends ON the Viewer. Don't make assumptions like that.

@@narosedraconis2424 Well, weren't you shocked when Dean said that? Jack was probably the most innocent and humane of all of them. Dean was just salty about Mary's death, that's all.

@@samueljeshurunlamechp9894 Well, she her his MOM.

Sam can probably empathize better with Jack because he was one of the kids Azazel gifted his power too. Because of that experience, Sam can understand Jack's situation and probably sees his past self in him.

Why tf is everyone acting like they r writing about this scene for an English class

Oh my 😂😂😂😂

finally hypocrisy,by the way even Jack is more family than Adam

@@tanilesantos4479 hell yeah. They went through hell and back with jack. Adam wasn’t shit they never met him fr they only saw a version of him. The real Adam was DEAD. Tf they need to save him for? Blood don’t always make u family 🤷🏾‍♀️

The real reason they didn't go for adam was because lucifer made him into a mess in the cage like sam and even michael said that if he leaves adam will be a drooling mess

@@tanilesantos4479 Even Kevin, whom Dean also called family, was more family than Adam.

And what's the first thing they do after Chuck has been neutered and they have been removed from the hamster wheel and saved by Jack? They go on a hunt.

I loved when he said "Son of a bitch!" after he saw the Men of Letters file on Mrs. Butters, the Wood Nymph. Totally Dean. It especially reminded of Dean when he was reverted to his younger self by adult Hansel in Season 10, Episode 12 , titled "About a Boy." He was magically reduced to his juvenile age by Hansel using magic so he and that Witch could dine on American children, without abducting children. As soon as Dean looked at his reflection and saw himself as a kid, he said "Sunava Bitch," in his iconic tone; except it was a tween Dean saying it, not an adult Dean.

Except Jack didn't ruin his whole life. Jack came very late in the series.

@@KingNexusMOCs Perhaps I wasn't clear, I was referring to Chuck in that section, though I prolly should have done so by name

@@rorygiambalvo2955 but i kind of see where dean is coming from its lucifer kid lucifer the worst of the worst and the kid can easily be manipulated and turn against the boys just bc his heart is in the good does not mean that its magical ok for him to be lucifer kid plus when he was born the world almost ended by ripping a whole through reality so i see dean point here plus i would be pissed too if i found out god has been using me for his own amusement and would want him dead

In a way, AW Michael was right. He was family, but he was right when he told Jack that he wasn't as important to Dean as Sam and Cass were and are. Remember, though, Cass isn't Sam, either. The only person/family member whom Dean might love more than Sam, would be Mary.

I get your point, but there is a bit of a correction. Sam is the one who yells at Lily "He's our kid!". When Lily refuses to help Jack, Dean says "You know what I think? Burning all that soul? You're not even human anymore, not really. Otherwise, how could you ever, ever let anyone go through what you went through? The pain of losing a kid? Don't do this to us."

Sam was the one who said “He’s our son!”, Dean never referred to Jack as his son

@@neversleep7235 dean did say "youre family and we look after our own" to jack once, and told lily "the pain of losing a kid? dont do this to us.", told Belphagor jack was their kid "sort of" and didnt correct bobby when he called jack his son (though that one happened after this scene)

I blame the writers. It was not necessary for Dean to say that :/

Jack deserved soo much betterl

How’d you feel if your kid killed your mom

Pay with his life for killing Mary, according to Dean Winchester.

@@samueljeshurunlamechp9894 😭😭

Ehh, I'd still consider Dean a father, he did give Jack some of his best memories by taking him driving and fishing. No dad is a perfect dad all the time. I just wish Dean had taken it back and apologized for lashing out.

@@cctomcat321 He "thanks" him. Wtf, spn writers?

@@cctomcat321 Dean is still salty about Mary's death. That b*tch should have stayed dead...🙄

I think that him has say so because I still angry to him , but I don't think that think really so. Sam seem of had forgiven Jack

@@sonicEchris88 The way I'm having to read it to reconcile it with the Dean who just two weeks ago was saying he wouldn't let Jack get taken out by evil Mary Poppins is that he's basically having to distance himself from the kid in order to make it "ok" for him to sacrifice himself to save the world.... But it still doesn't make me any happier with him for it and that non-apology was *so bad*! He didn't apologize for saying he's not family- just that he *heard him say it*. And then thanked him for being willing to die to save the world- but also emphasizing that it'll finally free up him and Sam?! I mean- really? *That's* his idea of an apology?!

Also- how would *Cas* feel about his *son* not being considered family? After everything? "I'm a hunter, I'm a Winchester!... Except according to Dean when he's upset" doesn't have the same ring to it.

probably you haven't watched some episodes in this season which clearly showed,Chuck is organising the Winchesters especially in 15x04!and in this episode it was even more obvious, especially considering this scene was the same timeline when Chuck was telling Amara his version of the story and what he wants at the end!and it's also explained in the website that he manipulated Dean and all of them to finally force him to kill Sam or force Sam to kill Him (his beloved Cain and Abel story) and also Cas! didn't anyone see that Cas was also not trying to stop Dean?unlike S14? isn't that weird as well! it was all Chuck's manipulation and Billie's way somehow!so get over it!

@@altinaykor364 Yeah, I'm not entirely caught up, you're right there. And Chuck manipulation makes it make a lot more sense considering everything. But still... This hurt to watch.

I literally can comprehend what is with Supernatural and hating his love of their life kids.

It's not even subconsciously now, I got the feeling that he wanted Jack to die just to get his revenge not even to kill Chuck

I feel the same

On the fence about that one. I'm pretty sure that it's definitely about both of them.

Watch the show again and you'll realize how hatable his character is. No shade, but im just saying

That's what ended up happening though. Season 15 destroyed this great character.

@@chelecovers6893 it’s the writers’ faults

@@graygrimace1646 I blame it all on the writers. It was unnecessary to make Dean act that way MOST of the time

we are his family

The Winchesters fixed that 🥹

He's lossed way too much and has become hopeless He's desperate to get out the life

I'm sure you'd be just hunky freaking dory with the guy that killed your mom. Dean is angry, and rightfully so. Jack didn't have a soul, but it doesn't change the end result.

He's angry at Chuck.

Same

Same

Wow, why can’t y’all understand what he’s going through

I agree. I believe that Jack is family to Dean. I think that Dean is deluding himself into believing otherwise because he views Jack's sacrifice as the only way to defeat Chuck.

I disagree. That is not Dean at all. If he truly loved and cared about Jack he wouldn't fall through with killing him. What if it was Sam or Castiel? Would he do it then? No! Exactly. Because he LOVES them! He doesn't love Jack! Nor had he ever!

None of this is true by that I mean, it’s never been toxic all that happened yes but he did consider him family and it wasn’t just because it was convenient for him. Not to mention the two have literally made questionable decisions of their own and they essentially raised Jack

@Sons of Gaming Dean in season 13: threatened to kill Jack not because Jack had actually done anything wrong, but because Dean blamed him for killing Cas. I'm not saying Dean doesn't have a right to feel angry, but threatening murder on a week old child? Seriously? Dean in season 14: Planned to kill Jack not for the greater good, but because he killed Mary. Again, I'm not saying Dean shouldn't be allowed to feel angry about this, but he also never takes into acount Sam or Castiel's feelings either. Dean in season 15: Is totally cool with Jack killing himself if it means that he and Sam get "freedom" from Chuck. If that's not a toxic relationship, I don't know what is. Sure, in between all of that Dean takes Jack on driving trips and bakes him cakes. But as soon as he makes a mistake or Dean can sacrifice him for his own needs, he's quick to change his tune. That's what I mean when I say that Dean only cares when it's convenient for him. Dean's love is conditional, and in my opinion that doesn't make Jack a part Dean's family. Family = unconditional love and support. Dean's love for Jack is not unconditional and it never has been.

@@GeekyNerdTheatre I agree with you but I'm going to point out that I can't think of a single relationship that Dean has that hasn't become toxic by this point, especially with Sam, Cas, and Jack.

@@MistressFearless 100% agreed. I focused on Jack because that's primarily who this scene is about, but the way Dean lumps himself together with Sam here is equally as frustrating. Even if Dean doesn't identify Jack as family, that doesn't give him the right to tell Sam how he should feel on the matter. Dean keeps saying "We" as if he and Sam are the same person. The amount of times he has said, "I get that you care about him," and then immediately dismisses Sam's feelings is infuriating. It's almost like he views Sam as property. I don't even think I have the stomach to talk about all of the crap Dean did to Cas at the beginning of this season.

@@GeekyNerdTheatre That's fair and completely true. Like you said, it shouldn't be a surprise for anyone that Dean is behaving this way. Although, I'm pretty sure it's also because Dean's toxic and abusive behavior is more blatant now than before. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of this is also because Cas and Sam like Jack even though Dean doesn't. That being said, I'm pretty sure that Dean does view Sam as property instead of a brother or a person with his own feelings. You can tell from how he constantly reminds people that Sam is his brother and his responsibility which he thinks gives him the right to make any and all decisions for him and then gets upset when that's not how that works or when Sam doesn't fall in line. Dean is a possessive spoiled brat after all. Can't blame you for not wanting to touch Dean's appalling behavior toward Cas, especially beginning of this season. Hopefully after this, the writers will leave Dean bitter, miserable, and alone like he deserves. But I'm not holding out much hope.

he never told Charlie that he loved her back, he said, "I know." Bastard!

That was actually supposed to be an I love you back bc that was the deal with them… before in another scene Dean said I love you to Charlie and Charlie said I know… if was like their way of saying I love you to each other in response… kind of like whenever Dean says bitch or jerk Sam has to say either jerk or bitch… soo I’m not angry about that…

@@paoladiaz6527 I missed that part. I take it back then.

@@IlianaGuadalupe You should know Dean isn’t the type to share his feelings

​@@IlianaGuadalupe Pero si Dean le dijo a Cas "Y yo a ti" y cuando su madre se unio a los hombres de letras la corrio sin piedad el siempre fue cruel no solo con Jack y a Kevin lo obligaba a traducir las tabletas todo el tiempo era frio con el pero lo queria Dean siempre fue asi con todos

He was treating him nicely so he could kill God and get them out of the life

@@Davidscomix he didn't know about Billie's plan when he made the cake

This whole season has Dean acting out of character. Just bad writing honestly.

THAT’S WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING

@@RitrishaRC this is their worst season

He absolutely should have but the problem there is he doesn’t blame dean for thinking that because he believes he deserves to die

That's before he killed his mother I'm sure after that you'd be hunky dory right?

Yeah they really screwed that up but I’m blaming Chuck for that Since he’s essentially the writer 😂

David s. comix right and how many questionable decisions have they made in their life not to mention Sam when he had no soul and yet he never gave up on him, I mean they essentially raised Jack

@@DgardsGaming that's because he can't give up on Sam as there bond is way stronger

I hate that they had him say that too. I love Dean but I hope he apologizes and makes it right with Jack.

He was just speaking out of hurt. He did the same thing when he told Cass that he was dead to him.

I get taken out of it when people talk about the writers

@@thedogwoods5716 same

@@blakedevitt6948 also he told Sam that he's better off dead than Charlie in season 10. After seeing that I got relieved. It just shows that this is Dean's thing whem grieving. It's wrong yeah but atleast he does it to literally everyone and not just Jack. If that time the mark influenced Dean's behavior. In this episode, Chuck is influencing him. Chuck said it himself to Amara that he knew everything that was going to happen at that moment. Simply because he wrote it. Chuck is desperate at this moment.

Destroying his character and development. It's called bad writing

what do you mean? Dean has that shitty attitude since season 1

@@neversleep7235 exactly lol

It’s in continuity with Dean’s writing ever since Season 8.

Well he's lived a crappy messed up life sooo it's expected he'd be a little twisted

you're stupid for saying such a things!none of the things he did since S6 wasn't self-centred at all!blind!ready to sacrifices so others can live happily and don't be forced to sacrifice,isn't self-centred!he never lived for himself and even while he was super pissed at Jack for Mary,he accepted to die alongside with killing Jack and in this episode,it was Chuck's writing!the same way Cas didn't tried to stop him,unlike his real self in S14 and his love for Jack!

@Edril Padayhag I agree with you. I was okay with Dean until he became a hypocritical, selfish, toxic asshole.

@@Davidscomix both of them have. Sam had it the worst but y’all constantly look over him for deans constant pity party. He is the biggest hypocrite and has the audacity to be a jackass when Sam is trying to save his family. He’s the reason they got into all the drama in season 15 anyway because he is so egotistical and prideful. So cocky thinking he could kill GOD and amara. He was doing way too much and it nearly killed him and SAM in the process. Dean has shown y’all time and time again why HE is the problem. Not god, not Billie or any of the other supernatural creatures, HIM.

I mean go figure since season 6. After Kripke left the writing has been bad nonstop. This is why people only recommend seasons 1-5 for SPN to watch lol. Everyone's personalities have become warped except the new characters. I heard the writers even screwed over Mark Sheppard so they made Crowley pointlessly kill himself.

Bobby Singer a.k.a. their real dad!

They always find a way.

I’m saying. Ian think it was possible for me to hate him more than I did for already being a crappy brother but I did 😂

But think about it if you were in his place wouldn't you feel the same way?

David s. comix Absolutely not, Especially considering that even though Jack Accidentally killed there mother Who might I add how do I already died once and also he had no soul. Do you think they could relate considering they have done a lot of questionable decisions themselves, Dean with the Mark, Sam with no soul, etc. I mean even when Sam had no soul Dean didn’t give up on him and not to mention they essentially pretty much raised Jack Plus he is technically only like three years old

Jack killed his mom

Right? I've been a Dean girl for 15 years and I just can't get past this behaviour of his, he's pissing me off so much lately. So selfish.

@@Unfiltered494 I think that both Sam and Dean can be very selfish. Someone mentioned souls. Would have been nice for Jack to have restored Donatello's soul.

This is SPOT ON!!

SAY IT LOUDER!!!

dear stranger, i love you so much for writing this.

@@patriciakarenlo SPN Will return but in what format? We Really need to say the past is fluid we. Need Sam and Dean and Cas BACK alive and active along with Jack fixing the messes that Chuck made ( and might still be , even as a human , making).I am willing to be patient. I have tried and tried to get into Walker and I regret that I can't- I miss Sam Winchester! He's got more stories to tell and not as a dying old man!

I’m sorry, I don’t usually do this, but this made me really mad. You’re right, ok? Dean didnt treat Jack right. He was out of line and that’s it. But he’s not abusive. He has been raised by John Winchester. That dick taught him that what’s bad needs to die. No questions asked. So yeah, when he first met Jack, the son of Lucifer, he didn’t trust him. Then he saw who Jack really was and he loved him like family, like his own son. Dean didn’t stop considering Jack family because he wasn’t useful anymore or because he made a mistake. Jack killed his mom. That’s hard to forgive and forget. His mom was his hero and he just got her back after 33 years of being basically an orphan. (John wasn’t a father, I’m sorry). And yeah, that’s something Dean didn’t like, but news flash, no one who has that kind of relationship with their mum, or any person, wouldn’t like that. Even Sam didn’t like that. And yeah, Sam reacted in a different way, but because they are two different people. Sam is more forgiving, Dean is not. He’s hurt and he has the right to be. And let’s be honest, I’m completely aware of the trauma Sam went through with his dad, I am, but Dean got the worst of John. Im sorry, but that’s true. John treated him like shit and Sam left him for god’s sake. He grew up thinking he was worth less than the dirt under his shoes and that’s a pretty big thing. You can’t just shake that off that easily. Especially if you are a person as closed as Dean. Sam made it, because he had his brother’s love. He learned his worth because Dean made him feel worthy. Dean didn’t have that. Yeah, Sam loved Dean, but he left. Not because he wanted to stay away from Dean, but because he wanted freedom. And how do you think a boy who grew up feeling like he wasn’t enough takes his only brother leaving because he wants freedom? Not well. He surely thought He wasn’t enough for Sam to stay. I’m saying this because you say that Sam made it out, loved people unconditionally and used the trauma he went through as a strength. And I agree and I love him for it. But y’all forget Sam had love when he was a child, because Dean loved and loves him more than his own life. Dean didn’t. As Cas said himself, Dean feels thing more than any human being, so when he feels anger or fear, he just lashes out. He doesn’t expect people to understand that, because he doesn’t either, as he said himself when he was apologising to Cas in purgatory. And he doesn’t hold other people’s mistakes over them for the rest of their life. He literally forgave Cas more times that I can remember, and let’s not talk about Sam. And that’s a fact. AND he’s not his dad. He’s just not. he is a better man John could ever been. In 15x14, he still hadn’t forgiven Jack but he told him he was trying, because he cares about him. John wouldn’t have even tried to forgive Dean, or Sam. He never did. Dean has a hard time forgiving people, yes, but he tries. And that’s not only honourable but also amazing and it shows his beautiful heart trying to fight his anger. In 15x17, he says this, not meaning it, because he’s scared and yes, also because he still hasn’t completely forgiven him. He loves Jack, he just does, later he also gets protective over him, but Jack broke his heart in the worst way and in a situation like this, in which he feels like a fucking hamster running in a circle, he says stuff he doesn’t wanna say and that’s human. I understand him. I do. And I’m not trying to excuse him for what he said, because he’s wrong, but he is not abusive

Well he killed his mother...would you treat him like family after that? What made him more mad is that he called it "the accident"

Dean doesn't feel anger towards Jack!in 15x01 Dean told"he was our kid" and that wasn't even to Jack or Sam or Cas so anyone can call it pretending!it was a freaking demon who was wearing Jack's face!that was Dean's best time to lash out and say all kinds of craps but instead just said "our kid" and that time Chuck wasn't even around or with ideas of writing and in E14 they had days!I mean literally days while Chuck was busy!and during that holiday both Dean and Jack seemed to be completely forgot about Mary and all the tough stuff and were happy!a person wouldn't be that happy with his mother's murderer!especially Dean!and Chuck even in S14 tried to manipulate him to kill Jack using his fresh anger and grief!and in this episode,it was made clear that Chuck wanted all of this!Becky reacted to his writing in 15x04 and in that episode,after he started writing,both of the brothers were like not themselves and organized! and this episode proves that!

@@altinaykor364 exactly

Okay. Thank you for this. 👏👏👏 I really needed someone to say THIS. Because going through crappy situations is not an excuse for anyone, especially not Dean, to be a shitty person.

Yeah sure, let's keep little Antichrist here safe until he loses his soul again or snaps and starts killing people.

My heart is broken that he never did that :c

Dean can be very emotionally immature.

@Rajeswari Ghosh Alexander is my non-biological twin, as we have the exact same birthday and are the exact same age; Date, Month, and Year. He (and I) is 30, believe it or not.

From some Canadian lumberjack I guess?

He does it every 2 seasons

Dean only loves Jack when he's useful. Dean's love is highly conditional. That is not true love, that is not just "being pissed/hurt", that is ABUSE. Dean is abusing Jack in the same way John abused his own sons, especially Sam, and doesn't even see anything wrong with it.

Season 15 Episode 17, Supernatural

Jack wasn't Born in season 12

@@tilulizacharias3161 I thought I wrote 13

@@tilulizacharias3161 he was born at the end of season 12

Sam has always been that way, and Dean has always shown how much of a prejudiced, self righteous asshole he is, even to his own brother. Dean really just never grew past the abuse he suffered as a child, but that is no excuse, because Sam DID actually manage to grow past it in many ways. The one thing I wished for Dean in terms of character development was that he would finally manage to grow past this ugly side of him, but he never really did and that is fucking devastating.

Probably Archangels

@@unicorn69 Apparently it's been "confirmed." It's 1. Archangels 2. Leviathans 3. Eve 4. The Mark of Cain 5. Horsemen Now there is most likely a 6th thing it doesn't kill-Jack.

And yet he forgave Sam for trying to kill Bobby when he was soulless. Jack killed Mary when he was soulless by accident whereas Soulless Sam intentionally tried to kill Bobby. The only difference is that Soulless Sam didn’t succeed.

I wouldn't either. I mean, the guy is pretty much the Antichrist. Who the hell would choose him over his actual family?

Dean doesn't feel anger towards Jack!in 15x01 Dean told"he was our kid" and that wasn't even to Jack or Sam or Cas so anyone can call it pretending!it was a freaking demon who was wearing Jack's face!that was Dean's best time to lash out and say all kinds of craps but instead just said "our kid" and that time Chuck wasn't even around or with ideas of writing and in E14 they had days!I mean literally days while Chuck was busy!and during that holiday both Dean and Jack seemed to be completely forgot about Mary and all the tough stuff and were happy!a person wouldn't be that happy with his mother's murderer!especially Dean!and Chuck even in S14 tried to manipulate him to kill Jack using his fresh anger and grief!and in this episode,it was made clear that Chuck wanted all of this!Becky reacted to his writing in 15x04 and in that episode,after he started writing,both of the brothers were like not themselves and organized! and this episode proves that!

@@Bmhtsos18 technically not, remember? When Cass said that the half demon child Jesse is considered the antichrist? Jack is a half angel.

@@Bmhtsos18 jack was never evil, not even when he was soulless. The kid was desperate to fit in and be loved, he was just 3 years old, one of the most powerful creatures to ever exist, only of his kind, and little life experience. I get that it was their mom(who by the way would chose a lot over them in a blink lol) but the kid didn't even mean it. He deserved to be forgiven and Dean just became a character I couldn't stand. He used to be my favourite, but he's just self centered-always right-arogant kind of guy. He didn't deeply care about anyone but Sam and treated Cas as if he was his employee or worse, just some kind of disposable thing even after Cas lost pretty much everything for him and sam

But what about Cas? Will he die too ? 😥

@@snowchips9596 matter of fact cast is going to die in episode 18 the next episode saving Jack an empty take cas. But either way Castiel is going to die next Thursday episode 18 110% guaranteed

@@LittlebittheChihuahuaKennethT. Where are you getting this from??

@@DANGJOS it's confirmed that he's not gonna be in episode 19 and 20

@@Davidscomix Really??

That was an accident. That bitch was already dead, and was brought back for no reason other than emotional conflict. I don't hate Mary, but it's just unnecessary

Yeah, Dean is still salty about Mary's death. That b*tch should have stayed dead...🙄

That's because Dean, who was everyone's favourite started becoming very different and he sure wasn't like he was before. And most people started liking Jack as he was a comfort character like Cas. So putting two and two together, yes this scene is hated by people.

@@samueljeshurunlamechp9894 he didn’t seem different to me, and do people not realize Chuck is writing this? He even says it later