Supernatural Vs. Verbzilla - Are these reverbs OBSOLETE?

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Ive wanted to try the Supernatural forever and I recently discovered the drippability of the Verbzilla, but how do they compare and do they hold up against modern alternatives?
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@AndyDemos 3 года назад

Nice to see the Supernatural still making the rounds with players! I still have a couple; one prototype that doesn't quite have the decay we wanted in Shimmer mode. This was a PGS exclusive and Aaron Miller and Digitech are sadly no longer around but they left a huge mark on the industry. BTW, the secret to max drip is to crank the liveliness.

@RyanSmith-op8wh 3 года назад

Hey, Andy! I'm reworking my board, and I'm bouncing around the idea of a Ventris, Mercury7, other more modern DSP pieces. But man....that Supernatural keeps calling out to me. 🙂

@davidedwardgrabowski1518 2 года назад

Cheers, Andy - you rock, brother

@winnipesaukee9252 11 дней назад

You made the Alter Ego, right? I love my V2

@AndyDemos 10 дней назад

@@winnipesaukee9252 Yes, it was a PGS exclusive first! Happy to hear you’re still enjoying.Thanks! 👍🏻

@wonderwomanguy 3 года назад

"Next up is the Hall setting." I'm here for the Oates setting.

@_-_Michael_-_ 3 года назад

Lol, not a lot of people appreciate this comment. One would say they are... out of touch.

@wonderwomanguy 3 года назад

@@_-_Michael_-_ they just a bit childish. The need some... adult education.

@JeffHendricks 3 года назад

"I don't have this pedal, am I gonna survive?"

@marekw7562 3 года назад

I've hear this tune while reading this... That's creepy

@doctorscoot 3 года назад

but does He Have The Box?

@NintenDub Год назад

I just gotta have this pedal.....

@JeffHendricks 3 года назад

Are they obsolete? Short answer: No. Long answer: also no, but with video.

@CraigFlowersMusic 3 года назад

I just got to have that pedal.

@theyreMineralsMarie 3 года назад

I worked for Pro Guitar Shop in 2012 when the Supernatural came out. The processor was so good that DigiTech actually based the PGS collab pedal Velvet Reverb on it. In fact DigiTech created some really cool software that allowed pedal manufacturers to create custom reverb tones using the pedal as a platform. Edit: I believe it was the Made in USA Hardwire version that PGS sold.

@Ghordo1 3 года назад

For what it’s worth: the Octo setting has a LOT more control than was shown here. The decay knob acts as a high/low octave blend and the time knob is the decay.

@MrRob33 3 года назад

the Supernatural has amazing Lexicon algorithms, stereo in’s and out’s, it is an awesome pedals for guitar and synths. I think the synth guys are helping keep the demand and price high on it.

@Superjet113 3 года назад

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks!

@johngorgis 3 года назад

it sits behind the dry signal nicely,not to overwhelming

@LeviBulger 3 года назад

Definitely. They're outdated for guitars, and honestly Boss does the modulated and shimmer thing way better in a compact size (not to mention EHX and MXR). But synth guys love the supernatural

@jimhart1959 2 года назад

I love my Supernatural, it will never leave my board! Sometimes I use a modulated sound with a shorter decay just to fatten up the sound a bit.

@doogdoogdoogdoogdoogdoog 3 года назад

"I've got something Josh Scott doesn't have, guys!" Eyebrows?

@UnremarkableMarx 3 года назад

They both don't

@Neilybob100 Год назад

I scored my supernatural for 100GBP used a couple of years ago and love it. Great to see it’s still in use all over.

@danduntz9112 3 года назад

I bought my supernatural 5 years ago and absolutely love it. It’s tremendous in stereo, however I’m mono, I have to boost it to get it to unity.

@redneckryan 4 месяца назад

That shine setting made me wish that I was not on the outside looking board.

@jsirius94 5 месяцев назад

The Verbzilla was my first reverb pedal, I bought it because of the pre-delay and tone knobs. I think I should have kept it, it still sounds great!

@Kovboi 3 года назад

What you’ve done is sold me me on that True Spring. I’m gonna buy one this week!

@60CycleHumcast 3 года назад

Its a fantastic pedal

@danjack-son4871 3 года назад

It’s amazing!

@TheFarout69 3 года назад

I can vouch for the Supernatural. Great sounding verb and great buffers if you need long cables to the amps on stage. I still use it in my small board. The plate settings are my favorite but the spring sounds are really good too. The spacey modern verbs sound better than most . I've hit it with HUGE pre-amp boosts and it hangs right in there with lots of headroom. Made in Sandy Utah, USA.

@ahryn81 3 года назад

got my supernatural when PGS was selling them and love it, I live for that ambient soundscape and like to use the shimmer but turn the mix knob with my foot to adjust it on the fly. 100% wet with swells into it is an amazing experience. the lexicon algorithm is so worth it. Only thing that tempts me to replace it is the Chase Bliss CXM 1978. cause again, Lexicon algorithms.

@marcomelillo4590 3 года назад

Really good both. So up to now I assume that the drip king is the Surfybear and the drip king in pedal format is the Source Audio True Spring?

@sumyupee 3 года назад

The secret is out now. I'm glad I got my Verbzilla a while back. I notice your tone setting is around the same place I keep mine.

@davidescozzi9885 3 года назад

I wonder, what it has changed, concerning the new reverb pedals. The tech, circuits changed? What makes a difference between an old and a new Reverb Pedal?

@trunks828 3 года назад

Fun fact my verb patches on my helix is called verbzilla. I bought the verbzilla brand new in the 2000s for 150 dollars. Still one of my favorites to date almost twenty years later! I leave it on the cave setting almost exactly what you had it on it’s huge! Also thanks for rising the prices on them hahah!

@spookyverb 3 года назад

When the Supernatural released I just had to have it. I'll never get rid of it. I still use it for really creepy, ghostly sounds, metal chaos. Fun for surf too.

@thegeardad 3 года назад

I owned a Verbzilla twice. It’s definitely been the sleeper of versatile/cheap/well-made digital reverbs... I guess until now

@zadtheinhaler 3 года назад

I have the Line 6 Space Chorus that a shop owner gave to me for free (!), and it's one of the dopest chorus pedals I've ever owned.

@benwebb7698 3 года назад

@@zadtheinhaler i got one for $30 when a local shop was closing down. I find that line too bulky to put on my pedalboard, but it's a GREAT sounding pedal.

@borealico 3 года назад

Which is the difference between the supernatural made in USA brand and the other one regarding sound? Thanks for the video!

@LeviBulger 3 года назад

The FRV1 is still a great standard for spring emulation IMO. Not for the drip, but for the very authentic inherent tone it imparts in the highs. It has a bounciness to it. It's crazy how much it sounds like my 6g15 minus a great drip - although it's definitely usable.

@sonoransurfer1434 3 года назад

I had the Echo Park Line 6 delay at one time - that was a great pedal. The tape delay setting was top notch. I have the Supernatural Reverb - It was ahead of it's time regarding shimmer and modulated reverbs in a stompbox.

@orchidmalevolence9726 3 года назад

I wish I could afford an Echo Park haha. I love it.

@URTH-yb5xh 3 года назад

I have a Verbzilla bought it for a different reason You’re absolutely right though vintage digital or whatever is usually ridiculously priced

@strangequark420 3 года назад

My Verbzilla is an always on pedal. Had it since they came out. Never found the need to replace it with anything else.

@AdrianDMarti 3 года назад

@60cyclehum Hi! Would you recommend the Verbzilla over the Oceans 11 as an all-around reverb? Kind of thorn between those two. By the way great episode @JHS Pedals !

@MrDeanDog91 3 года назад

I wanted to buy oceans11 but didnt have the cash, so i bought verbzilla and im happy with it.

@danieljohansson1938 3 года назад

Line 6 m5 has the verbzilla algorithms according to the manual and those are still available.

@foxmeisteruk 3 года назад

The Line 6 HX/Helix "legacy" reverbs are also verbzilla algos.

@elemkay5104 2 года назад

Just got one for £50 delivered. Absolute bargain for all the different options it gives.

@davidedwardgrabowski1518 2 года назад

Have a Supernatural, love the Plate and Shimmer settings on it

@arbitermatt Год назад

Supernatural has been on my board for years, it's fantastic and don't see myself switching it out any time soon. The shimmer isn't as harsh and bright as some similar pedals, which I love about it.

@guitfidle 3 года назад

I would be really curious how the Electro Harmonix Oceans reverb compares. I own the Oceans 11, and the spring setting on it is phenomenal! Definitely one of the more accurate ones out there, WAY better than the Boss Fender ones. The 12 does even more.

@Mr.Steve-O 3 года назад

beautiful Jag Ryan

@sassycat 3 года назад

Recommendation for the best reverb for Twang? Enjoyed this video immensely.

@wakjob961 3 года назад

Spring...either a real tube unit in front of the amp...or the "True Spring" pedal by Source Audio.

@orchidmalevolence9726 3 года назад

Verbzilla with an Echo Park sounds heavenly.

@JuanArias-xr6je 3 года назад

wich one do you say is the best of best between this: oceans 11, supernatural digitech or hall of fame 2?

@Rob_B_93 3 года назад

Although the helix hx stomp has all of the verbzilla algorithms, I ended up holding on to it, because it does nice dark reverbs. I particularly like the hall with the mix set over 75%.

@Crypt0Ref 3 года назад

That supernatural is superb. Always been a favorite of mine.

@CraigFlowersMusic 3 года назад

Yeah, but will it do reverb into reverb into reverb into reverb into two reverbs into reverb?

@gigaha 3 месяца назад

Anyone else notice that some Supernaturals say “Hardwire” and some say “Digitech?” I dug around some discussion boards and no one seemed to have a definite answer as to what the differences might be, if any.

@jacopobani565 3 года назад

I've got the supernatural, got it second-hand for something like 100€. Amazing purchase.

@caro_lam 3 года назад

i wish i'd never sold my Echo Park from the same line as the Verbzilla. one of the best delays i ever used. beats the El Capistan hands down. prices on the used market are crazy tho. whoever bought it from me got an absolute steal.

@davidwernsing8795 3 года назад

If you can't find a decent deal on a Echo park Behringer made a clone called the echo machine.

@danjack-son4871 3 года назад

I owned both the Verbzilla and Echo Park and regret selling them both.

@GuiltySouls 2 года назад

Yep same here, the line 6 Echo Park is amazing, totally regret selling that and my Verbzilla. The used market is crazy. Still hoping to find one at a reasonable price.

@GuiltySouls 2 года назад

@@danjack-son4871 same here.

@thegeardad 3 года назад

Oh yeah, the cave setting is the jam on the Verbzilla

@awc5uk 3 года назад

I had the Supernatural for a while and it is a nice reverb. Very classic and professional sounding, but I did move it on when the new generation of ultra drippy reverbs started to appear.

@jdcollins5076 3 года назад

I don't know how closely you read these comments but Does the new Keeley Reverb/Trem drip?

@HenrySchecker 2 года назад

holy... that verbzilla! I have a malekko spring (the final update of the chicklet pedal) and I thought that was the best spring I ever heard. I must have that verbzilla

@regaudieguillaume 3 года назад

I bought the Verbzilla to have that Atlas sound heavenly sound. Loved it! (But not really the same octo delay)

@JohnnyGuitaristOfficial 3 года назад

I've always been a fan of the Verbzilla, its a fun pedal.

@raceface_m2579 3 года назад

I should’ve waited to sell my extra verbzilla after this video lol.

@MrRob33 3 года назад

right? I had a stack of Supernaturals but sold off all but one to get the CXM 1978. Should have waited...

@Tommyalpaca 2 года назад

Bastard, I bought the verbzilla after the jhs show now you got me wanting the supernatural too😭

@TheFarout69 3 года назад

The reason the Supernatural is not responding with stereo is because you are using both inputs and it's now dual mono.

@ShaighJosephson 5 месяцев назад

True... A good point that some don't realize about the pedal...

@andrewnuzzo7919 2 года назад

IDK MAN RYAN, BUT IM LOVING THE SUPERNATURAL HARDWIRE FROM DIGITECH. I BEEN RESEARCHING REVERBS ALOT(ONE REASON I WATCH YOUR CHANNEL) AND OUT OF ALL OF THEM I LOVE THE SOUNDS OF IT AND STEREO IN N OUTS IS KILLER AND I LOVE THE SO HARD TO FIND "DARK" SOUNDS OF THE PLATE REVERB ON IT. THATS MY FAV REVERB. YEARS AGO I HAD A FENDER TUBE DRIVEN SPRING REVERB(ABSOLUTELY THE VERY BEST OF ANY REVERB I'VE EVER HAD OR HEARD) BUT THIS SMALL STOMPBOX REVERB IS TOTALLY AWESOME N IMA FIND ONE FOR MY BOARD.

@johngorgis 3 года назад

i wonder if the digitech polara is comparable to the supernatural

@gbaren 3 года назад

The Plate on the Supernatural in superb when pushed for a stinging blues (ala Clapton Beano). I'll never sell mine :)

@joythief 3 года назад

Glad I bought the Verbzilla before this video came out!

@davidwoods358 3 года назад

I keep a Verbzilla hidden in the back of my Katana 100 MK2 in the effects loop (always on) and is used is conjunction with the Katana's internal hall reverb. It really helps to fill out the tones I am going for. Other than it being a really strange looking and weighty pedal it does have a few great sounds. I've had it since new and see no need to replace it, ..... yet.

@GregStraub42 3 года назад

Glad i got my Verbzilla when I did.

@Superjet113 3 года назад

That guitar is the bomb!

@DJKr15py 3 года назад

I bought the supernatural for all the synthy octave and modulated settings but ultimately ended up using it on the plate setting 99% of the time.

@jennekke 3 года назад

So for drip the surfiest amp you can get is a rickenbacker tr-25. It’s a little solid state amp but has more spring reverb than you could ever use. Also it’s ok to turn down the tone knob every now and then on your pedals.

@mortatoneamplification3565 3 года назад

Edge of drip! Excellent.

@scottyvalero3691 3 года назад

Beautiful jaguarrr

@bmckee5430 3 года назад

I know you like "drip"...I have a '60s Ampeg Gemini that is ridiculous...check one out if you haven't already!

@donkick2622 3 года назад

I know what you mean. I bought one in the late 60's.

@isaacramirez2238 Год назад

Can you try the reverb machine?

@nicolasmoulin8782 4 месяца назад

Hi ! how is it recorded ? Are the reverbs connected to an actual amp ?

@60CycleHumcast 4 месяца назад

Yes

@UngKristen 3 года назад

There is no obsolete there is only hype cycle

@WRCzATL 3 года назад

It's worth noting that Behringer still makes a Verbzilla clone (the RV600) that can be had for $75-$100. I bought mine for $20, because the 9V battery plug was shorting out. I keep it on a PS and been using it for 4 years now.

@raceface_m2579 3 года назад

The RV600 has been discontinued for a while.

@WRCzATL 3 года назад

Well, there are lots available it seems.

@eddy67 5 месяцев назад

I never used to use the octo algorithm on the verbzilla. Cave was where it was at

@channtastic 3 года назад

Dude I used to have that supernatural. Bought it used from Guitar center used for maybe like $30. It was awesome but I didn’t really need it anymore. Sold it to a homie and haven’t followed the prices since then. Cant believe how expensive they are now.

@makarimvitro3107 2 месяца назад

I'm still using Verbzilla... tbh thats really Cool Pedal

@jessiesratrods1210 3 года назад

Imma pick up a Supernatural. Its perfect for me.

@telekhal 3 года назад

Does anybody know if the Digitech Polara has the same algorithms as the Supernatural in it?

@TheBenb1999 3 года назад

Supposedly yes but with different tunings for control ranges and different behavior for reverse and halo.

@Ghordo1 3 года назад

I have both and the major difference is that Supernatural goes fully wet. But if that’s not the sound your going for then the Polara has you covered. Of course supernatural has the flanged reverb and the Flerb / Polara has reverse. Can’t go wrong with either. No need for both 😬😬

@benwebb7698 3 года назад

The Polara is more akin to the RV-7 from the digitech Hardwire series. I have read its almost a direct port with 1 algorithm change. Polara has Halo (shimmer) where as the RV-7 has Gated. E: fixed a bit of wrong info.

@chaledal-kadri9978 3 года назад

Interesting discussion. If it's really a 1:1 port, then there is no need for these high prices for the Supernatural. The only thing I don't understand is that the Polara (which I have) doesn't go 100% wet. Wouldn't be more expensive if they had made it 100% wet. But would have given the users more flexibility, especially when used in a send/return of a mixer, or for ambient stuff.

@billnelson9413 3 года назад

The Line6 Tonecore pedals got marks against them in Guitar Player when they came out, especially the reverb. I think that’s why they were shorter lived than the bigger pedals that won Editor’s Pick Awards.

@GuiltySouls 2 года назад

I love the Verbzilla, I regret selling it even though I’ve replaced it with the M13 and HX Stomp.

@thecaveofthedead 3 года назад

Yeah. That verbzilla is definitely ahead of its time. Sounds better than the FRV1 for sure.

@carlpeczynski896 3 года назад

"that's a fun little extra treat!"

@LuisRFeliu 3 года назад

You can get an Ocean's 11 for less money than all of those 4 pedals, get a good drip and a bunch of other different effects.

@60CycleHumcast 3 года назад

Yep! I pick the true spring a f-stop over the oceans 11 for drip because it can be a bit brittle sounding, but it’s still an excellent option.

@stevieknighten 3 года назад

Yo! When you change algos on the Verbvilla adjust the settings! Might make a difference geez

@do-beebrothers2550 2 года назад

Yes

@michaelbevins2405 Месяц назад

I use the supernatural and the polara ,dont see a need for any others ,one set to room one set to spring or plate ,I like them better than the spring tank in my fender hotrods

@burntumber 3 года назад

You forgot the TC electronic T2 reverb. Hook all 3 together!

@JeffHendricks 3 года назад

Dude... Supernaturals going for $300??? Why?? Used to be able to pick up Hardwire pedals all day long for $75, including the RV-7 and Supernatural...

@TheFarout69 3 года назад

Limited run. The Supernatural is an extensive tweaked version of the RV-7. The RV-7 is pretty much straight up Lexicon Reverbs. I bought mine new back when it came out. Around 200 bucks.

@Whiskeyklone 3 года назад

Interesting. I sold my Verbzilla after buying an HX Stomp. I A/B'ed the Zilla against the "Legacy" reverbs and found them to be exactly the same. The only difference appeared to be noon on the Zilla controls did not precisely match 5.0/10 on the HX controls, so I had to dial in my favourite sounds by ear.

@picksalot1 3 года назад

What amp/signal path are you running? Your guitar sounds absolutely epic, the best I've ever heard the audio by far - massive, clear, full! The Verbzilla sounds great. According to "Helix Help - The Unofficial Guide" at helixhelp.wordpress.com/ "12 of Helix’s 17 reverbs originally appeared in M-Class processors and Verbzilla. As such, they’ve been moved into the new “Legacy” subcategory within the Reverb category"

@jacksmith4460 2 года назад

I have a Supernatural, never will it leave my board. Bought it for £80 ($90) and these days they go for £/$200-250 used lool used market is crazy. They are unique. I got mine cheap but they were usually 100-120 £/$

@Dreamoftheunwealthy 3 года назад

VERBZILLA OR RV6 ??

@manny1406eb Год назад

What if the Supernaturals ran around $140-150? I own one since 2012 😬 and now I’m considering replacing it so I came to your video for perspective 😂

@doctorscoot 3 года назад

BTW, you can (probably) totally play Miserlou without the copyright strike ... it’s a folk song and the earliest recording of it is 1927.

@60CycleHumcast 3 года назад

I dont play good enough to get copyright strikes.

@doctorscoot 3 года назад

@@60CycleHumcast that Russian guy is in charge of copyright enforcement on you tube?

@therealracer135 Год назад

I bought the verbzilla new for 500AUD back in 2008 lol

@jefferson4245 3 года назад

He didn't stack them. HE DIDN'T STACK THEM! Ryan is a solid surf player. That guitar sounds great! (Edit: He did stack them and I'm an idiot.)

@sacuna3333 3 года назад

25:48 he stacked the spring reverbs for a quick bit

@jefferson4245 3 года назад

@Christine Ikeda I'm not sure what's going on here. He is and everyone else are totally entitled to do what they like with their stuff. I admit that I missed the bit when he actually did stack the reverb. It's always a treat to me when he does stack multiple pedals of similar effect and purpose. It's the same kind of curiosity I have, the same thing I would do in a similar situation. Who knows what will happen? Inspiration can be found by exploring the unknown. Just like the damaged speaker cone sound became its own thing. The Vox AC30 was developed by a guy who was hard of hearing. The solid body guitar was created when Les Paul was trying something new and seeing what was possible. There's absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever when Ryan stacks pedals. It's just fun to watch because I want to see what happens, and every single time that I cringe at the result I also accept that someone might find some use out of that. To each their own, and godspeed.

@jefferson4245 3 года назад

@Christine Ikeda I'm sorry if you felt that I was attacking you. My comment was erroneous and not directed at you or anyone else. I made it without ever seeing that you had previously remarked on the fact that he did stack them. I lacked the context to understand where your grievance was coming from, which I see now, and I apologize. Your comment was insightful, wholly deserving to be here, and one with which I actually agree having gone back and watched the part I missed. In a community such as the guitarists', where getting better at our sound and playing is our entire purpose, I never want to be someone whose actions and comments detract from another's pursuit of guitar and happiness.

@jefferson4245 3 года назад

@Christine Ikeda it's cool. You still stuck up for yourself. I respect that, even though it caught me off guard. Ryan stacking pedals is part of why I like this channel, and I got excited when I thought he hadn't. What's your favorite thing about guitar?

@jefferson4245 3 года назад

@Christine Ikeda You should totally design and market a pedal called Dark Reverb that does just that! I thought about it all day, and I think what I like about guitar is that it is a kind of people's instrument in that it is widely available and can be suited to anyone's abilities, talents, emotions. It doesn't require finesse and mastery to be appreciated or deliver the intended message. Coming from a brass instrument background, I love that I can sing along with the instrument in my hands. Songs for any mood, audience, or personal pleasure. I think there's a reason we don't see many "folk French hornists", or folk trumpet models for sale in the marketplace. The guitar is ultimately much more empowering, and a great outlet for people like me with diverse tastes and no shortage of strong, earnest emotions.