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Supertrickler Vs. Autotrickler: The Ultimate Scale Shootout! 

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@gearguidesguns571
@gearguidesguns571 Год назад
I've had a V4 for about a year and it is so much better than the RCBS Chargemaster Pro. I often load the same type of "coffee" as you were using here and when I calibrate the scales before dispensing a new brand of coffee, I find very few over charges (maybe 2-3 in a 50 round batch). Also, if a charge goes over weight, I just dump like 1 or less grains back into the hopper, put the cup on the scales and it loads the final grain much faster than if you dump the entire charge. The app works well and is easy to adjust up or down 1, 0.10 or 0.010 grains, etc. i have not used the Super trickler, but I don't think there is big advantage over the V4. It seems the Super trickler is a bit more high tech, but less easy to use for over charges, spills and loading/changing powder. Keep up the good work.
@jetthreat5000
@jetthreat5000 Год назад
I’ve run both extensively, the ST has massive problems. The V4 works well and is easy to tune, gotta use the buffer on the apps new update. If you had that many overthrows you didn’t tune correctly
@CorwinBos
@CorwinBos Год назад
Both are great investments! Still running the V3. The only time Ive ever had an issue with it was when load long stick stuff like Retumbo with it maybe cutting kernals. Ill stick with it for now, its served me well, and if I ever would sell it, it would be gone in a heartbeat for what I paid for it.
@brucegillespie654
@brucegillespie654 Год назад
Great comparison Pete . I have the V-3 and very happy with it . I don’t have the same over flow percentage as you but I may be running it slower. I will stick with my V-3 as this sport is becoming very expensive and I have know reason to up grade .Components are my main focus .Keep up the great work
@colinward1581
@colinward1581 Год назад
I was previously using the Lyman Gen 6 dispenser but now have the supertrickler. I have only loaded with it 4 times. When it arrived I set it up quickly, upgraded the Firmware to 2.0 and loaded 100 rounds of 300 PRC using H1000. It did a nice job and learned to powder quickly. Next I used it with CFE 223 for some 224 Valkyrie. It did well again but CFE223 was very messy and required a lot of cleanup throughout the loading process. Then I updated the Firmware to 2.3 and loaded 20 rounds 2x about 2 days apart. It was a bit of a nightmare and I think I will downgrade back to 2.0 (unless they have sorted out 2.3). Bottom line when it works I love it. If you don't plan to be an enthusiast you may not like this one. But for me I think I will eventually come to love it.
@backfire
@backfire Год назад
Thanks for the vid. I'm liking my Super Trickler. I think it's probably the best option out there right now at least for my preferences. The interface is awesome and I love the big touchscreen. I do still feel like powder throwing is the slowest part of my process, so I'm considering getting a second one.
@IMPACTSHOOTING
@IMPACTSHOOTING Год назад
Two cups might be a option? Should be a big speed bump for minimal spend? Im going to try adding a second cup soon
@hotfarts6731
@hotfarts6731 10 месяцев назад
I have the V4 and it is quite accurate with the powders that I load. One timesaving trick is to buy a cheap tweezer with a sharp tapered tip. If the V4 overthrows, just use the tweezer to pull out a grain and put it back in the hopper. Takes maybe 3 seconds. There is no need to dump and dispense again.
@fwod1867
@fwod1867 Год назад
Piet using black rifle coffee😉 in his 6.5 CRM-Cups. Nice joyce sir 👍 100 coffees 🤔 wow 😊
@peppertreecabins7377
@peppertreecabins7377 Год назад
I have both i find i use the V4 for small lots eg load development. And when im changing powders often . Otherwise the supertrickler for bulk lots ( I do have more coffee spills with the supertrickler )
@Youknowthetruthdontyou
@Youknowthetruthdontyou 7 месяцев назад
Great comparison. And beautiful daytona.
@IMPACTSHOOTING
@IMPACTSHOOTING 7 месяцев назад
Thank you Sir! She is my fav by far!
@shanelibeau9040
@shanelibeau9040 Год назад
I’m using the super trickler, very happy. Have not used a v4
@jameshalpin1580
@jameshalpin1580 Год назад
Great vid I have a chargemaster lite but if I had the money then the supertrickler is where I’d spend it
@rak7101
@rak7101 10 месяцев назад
Have been leaning towards SuperTrickler with Bold Black Rifle Coffee Great video r/
@briansupermag3918
@briansupermag3918 11 месяцев назад
Just wait till you get used to the supertrickler gen2. When you start adjusting the pulse rate and bulk charge speed. You will also not only speed up but your accuracy jumps way higher. Good luck
@Jb_2108
@Jb_2108 Год назад
I love this coffee for the Creed. Works well.
@ssswdon
@ssswdon 5 месяцев назад
Nice review and demo. BTW Where did you get that loading block?
@beeniebeenie4794
@beeniebeenie4794 Год назад
Been using the chargemaster link and it is ok. not nearly as precise as i was hoping for, so i have to grind light and hand grind the rest. which adds to the total time, and when time is $ sometimes its best to dish out the cash for the better machine that you can just throw and go. Definitely been looking at the super trickler, might pick one up soon.
@milesgonzalo6575
@milesgonzalo6575 3 месяца назад
Best coffee trickler comparison video ever.
@IMPACTSHOOTING
@IMPACTSHOOTING 3 месяца назад
Wow, thanks!
@RMM--uv7uk
@RMM--uv7uk Год назад
Man you have some fancy Coffee machines!!! 😂😂
@roman11051983
@roman11051983 Год назад
Great, I was totally attracted to the project from Rex and made an early order. I am happy with it. 😊
@rascaille3792
@rascaille3792 Год назад
The v4 needs to be calibrated, it shouldn't overcharge that much.
@Mrjaspgu
@Mrjaspgu Год назад
I agree. I rarely have an overcharge.
@beresheeth
@beresheeth Год назад
I might get 2 out of 50....over on H4350 or varget
@robertowens4068
@robertowens4068 4 месяца назад
I agree I rarely get more than two over charges out of fifty with my v4, definitely needs to be calibrated properly
@peterfritz8390
@peterfritz8390 Год назад
I have both , just got super trickler , I load only long coffe grounds . So far I say a well dialled in v4 has less overthrows but is significantly slower. With v4 I wait on scales every round , super trickler I don’t.
@Longshothawk
@Longshothawk Год назад
For econamy of time you should be seating bullets as the powder is thrown. Both systems will have a charge ready by the time you're ready and you wont spend a second of your time watching powder fall. I see you get there near the end. For removing powder from the v4 the powder tube can be removed and used to catch the powder out the back in about 3 seconds. Then just tap the app to spin both tubes and it's clean. I don't have the ST but it's hard to imagine a faster system to switch powders on than the v4.
@JacksonMalcolm
@JacksonMalcolm Год назад
I've had my super trickler for about half a year now.. super fast and easy to swap between powders. Best feature is the ladder function. Have fun!
@CBScale
@CBScale Год назад
I still only have my Chargemaster Coffee grinder….may be looking into that Supertrickler for my mornings when I gotta move fast😂
@holdleftedgeandsendit9351
@holdleftedgeandsendit9351 Год назад
after the st is out a few years ill prob buy one but i want all the bugs worked out. until then ill keep using my v3
@leightuner2361
@leightuner2361 Год назад
Love my supertrickler.
@AC-bl1rl
@AC-bl1rl Год назад
I run a pair of chargemasters, if I get them to split evenly, its pretty much grab and pour, non-stop. Eventually I'll step up, though, those new ones are slick.
@davethompson1702
@davethompson1702 2 месяца назад
the super at 16:01 vs the V4 at 17: something ... the V4 is faster or damn near it when you cut out the over throws, yes they suck but ... at the end of the day i think the V4 is easier to use all in all and it just as fast
@mauropizzipaulo8319
@mauropizzipaulo8319 2 месяца назад
Good Evening.I have a question for you, Is it possible to mount the Gen 2 SUPERTRICKLER on the AND FX 300 i scale? Greetings,Mauro
@sdpy15
@sdpy15 Год назад
That's some spicy coffee!
@josephjulian2503
@josephjulian2503 Год назад
This to me is a Chevy vs. Ford thing. You’ll always have guys favoring the Chevy over Ford. I don’t get the obsession with speed over accuracy with these units. I have the V4 as the Supertrickler was not released yet when I purchased. Properly calibrated and tuned, with a somewhat courser ground of “coffee”, I get nearly 96% accuracy with average times of 10-11 seconds per charge. Our time is valuable, yes, but I will take accuracy over shear speed every time, just as I will take accuracy over speed at the “coffee” range. Either of these two units are in a different world from the Chargemaster.
@josephjulian2503
@josephjulian2503 Год назад
Forgot to say, I’m a Ford guy…😅
@theunisduvenage8115
@theunisduvenage8115 Год назад
Daytona panda? Nice 👍
@madman432000
@madman432000 Год назад
Coffee? JC! Whatever... You forgot the water....😂
@janvanniekerk7755
@janvanniekerk7755 Год назад
Have you done the app update on the V4 yet?
@williamcrist1887
@williamcrist1887 8 месяцев назад
I have the charge master and the Super Trickler and I would say the trickler is my go to.
@juanmiller9990
@juanmiller9990 6 месяцев назад
If you are in South Africa, where can I purchase the super trickler
@RighardtSwanepoel
@RighardtSwanepoel 3 месяца назад
Pieter, we don't "throw" coffee ... we pour - or better yet - we trickle. :) I'm just being a doos. ;) Love the comparison video.
@itsthetwitch13
@itsthetwitch13 Год назад
@Impactshooting Hey there fellow South African. Im looking to get that supertrickler iv been to their website and there are 2 of them exactly same model number and stuff different prices. Can i get some help on whats the difference lol
@BulletMagnet1337
@BulletMagnet1337 Год назад
What kind of coffee was that? I have the N-555 kind. Works fast, but I think I am making my coffee too strong if I use as much coffee as you?
@juanmiller9990
@juanmiller9990 6 месяцев назад
Hey where can I pick one up?
@iMakos101
@iMakos101 Год назад
V3 with the ingenuity precision trickler will blow both of them away.
@bishipc117
@bishipc117 Год назад
I just tried to visit the shop/store, it seams to be down or not accessible to me all I see is work and home. Where is the shop/store at?
@DegenGaming
@DegenGaming Год назад
I just used my v4 an hour ago. I had 2 overcharges out of 80. And it's very quick... plus I use 2 cups. There is no downtime. I don't see how the ST can help me in any way over the AT v4.
@IMPACTSHOOTING
@IMPACTSHOOTING Год назад
2 cups is definitely a power move! Super has some future upgrade paths that Im after. But hell we are so spoilt for already owning these
@n00g72
@n00g72 Год назад
@@IMPACTSHOOTING If you want to be spoiled, run 2 x ATV3s w/ the Ingenuity trickler. I’m charging a case every 5-6 seconds. In 16 minutes I’d be through with 175. Can drop powder for 250 rounds for a 2-day in under 25 minutes.
@moko-oskupartanen1935
@moko-oskupartanen1935 Год назад
Nice "expresso" machine...!!!😉👌
@josiascloete
@josiascloete 4 месяца назад
😂😂😂
@johannel1895
@johannel1895 Год назад
Nothing like Espresso fine ground late at night
@aubreysonnenberg
@aubreysonnenberg Год назад
Both are excellent, I prefer the SuperTrickler for ease of use, neater, easy to drain out, great software updates.
@IMPACTSHOOTING
@IMPACTSHOOTING Год назад
Totally agree!
@robertswick7654
@robertswick7654 6 месяцев назад
I googled the two and the supertrickler 1600 dollars and the other one V4 500 dollars, is this correct?
@nsaechao84ns
@nsaechao84ns Год назад
143gr eldx with 42.5grains shoots nice from my rifle.
@mastermoarman
@mastermoarman Год назад
how bout powder changing ?
@rvrski1
@rvrski1 Год назад
You need to go through your auto trickler set up and calibration, I’m lucky to have anymore than 3/50 over throws loading any powders and have custom performance settings written down. I did find the app upgrade issued a month or so ago confusing to begin with. Ne’er used a.super trickler, it looks good but I’m unsure of the vertical touch screen…. The next major advancement in electronic powder handling is automatic case filling and checking…….then a progressive press model…..
@Mrjaspgu
@Mrjaspgu Год назад
I've had the V4 for a year and after calibrating, rarely have overcharges. I'm not in any hurry to load my rounds so saving a minute or 2 doesn't make me want to switch tricklers.
@IMPACTSHOOTING
@IMPACTSHOOTING Год назад
Yeah very close between the two, I like what the supertrickler team has planned for the future. I load a lot, loaded over 700 rounds last week alone 🥹
@MrMedia636
@MrMedia636 Год назад
But we all know ya hate the v4. Thoughts on v3 vs ?
@gusholz1891
@gusholz1891 11 месяцев назад
Have you sold one of them?
@jturner5227
@jturner5227 Год назад
Could you run this with a stick coffee too? That might change the times? I'm looking to upgrade from a chargemaster.
@IMPACTSHOOTING
@IMPACTSHOOTING Год назад
This will love stick coffee, had some today!
@LedGuitar1218
@LedGuitar1218 Год назад
IMO V3 w/ingenuity precision trickler is the best setup out there
@digger1900
@digger1900 6 дней назад
The main question, how accurate are they really, I check my loads on a 3 decimal place lab balance. My V 4 is 0.02 out sometimes, that maybe the powder, ADI AR 2208 and. AR 2206H , that is the kernel size. Also the v4. Has it been calibrated for the”coffee grounds “ 20 overthrows ??
@IMPACTSHOOTING
@IMPACTSHOOTING 6 дней назад
The reality is that I cant outshoot a 0.05 difference in charge
@NoMatureContent
@NoMatureContent Год назад
Thats a lot of espresso.
@russ4570
@russ4570 Год назад
Set up the V4 better. your excess throws are way above what it normal.
@daviddegeorge1665
@daviddegeorge1665 Год назад
16 secants is very slow for the super trickler . You can cut that in half with very little fiddling
@tacticalwanabe
@tacticalwanabe Год назад
I love my Supertrickler!! I went straight from the charge master to the Supertrickler and couldn't be happier. I always thought the auto trickler was a bit clunky.
@niio111
@niio111 Год назад
At 8:12 I think you mean minutes, not seconds.
@lmmgeneralworksmaintenance7524
#Super Trickler
@matthewhix4176
@matthewhix4176 Год назад
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@janvanniekerk7755
@janvanniekerk7755 Год назад
So now that you have a hundred cases charged you still have to seat the the bullets. Just think how much faster it would be if you did that while waiting for the next charge to throw...
@IMPACTSHOOTING
@IMPACTSHOOTING Год назад
Obviously I would usually do that. I didn't want to introduce me hanging up while seating to influence the result, the true test which was seeing which scale is faster.
@tyler6147
@tyler6147 Год назад
I don't have either, but when I purchase one it will be the super trickler. It allows you to save load data from a bunch of different cartridges. In other words its way more diverse. You can switch from .223 to whatever with just a couple of buttons. If you have just one charge that you are doing, say like an F Class guy--- then either would work. For me though I shoot lots of different things. Overall after researching I am committed to the Super Trickler.
@rvrski1
@rvrski1 Год назад
The only benefit I can see is if the super trickler saves the powder calibration to powder type, even then I think I’d still calibrate before a session. As for the charge makes no difference if I had to search for a cartridge in a menu or tap in the charge from my load data app or book.
@tyler6147
@tyler6147 Год назад
@@rvrski1 Yes, it does that. The Super Trickler can be tuned however you like. You can make it faster but with slightly less accuracy, or a little bit slower and right on every time. You can set the powder charge and all that PER POWDER and save it as a preset, including the desired speed setting. The AI function will run through until it gets things exactly right. In other words it's sort of 'self calibrating' according to the powder type and user preferences. In short, once you have the Super Trickler set for a given powder and charge and so forth it eliminates the need to 're-calibrate' before every session. I think you have to let it run for a while to allow it to get it's bearings with a specific setup, but once you do that one time you never have to mess with that part again (for that specific charge), and it's saved to memory and can be recalled at any time. With the V4 or whatever you have to calibrate every time you want to switch something, or at least that's my understanding. Pete did a good test, but he didn't even scratch on why these are different. Based on the test in the video it won't matter very much at all which one you use. There are other tests and settings though that set these two machines apart. Based on other stuff they are very different.
@tyler6147
@tyler6147 Год назад
@@rvrski1 If I am not mistaken the Super Trickler has an on board database of all current powders. It is of course expandable for new powders as well. You can pick from the list and fine tune your speed and whatnot and save it to be recalled any time by a few button pushes.
@rvrski1
@rvrski1 Год назад
@@tyler6147 From your description of the ST the V4 behaves the same way, the exception being the saving of the cartridge, calibration setup and charge weight to a file. Auto calibration of the V4 takes around 30-40 seconds~ and primes the tubes at the same time. Entering a manual calibration takes about the same time but the tubes won’t be charged (another 10 seconds~). Tapping in a charge weight takes less than 2 seconds. Even if the V4 app had a load recording function I wouldn’t bother with it as most of us record total load and shooting specs in either proprietary software or book form. Personally I don’t see any major advantages over a V4 if they’re both set up for optimal performance. As I mentioned in my post, the next quantum leap will be automated case charging and checking and then a progressive press model turning a small hand loading space into ammo inc…..
@stephanc7192
@stephanc7192 2 месяца назад
16.01 seconds?
@johanswart8116
@johanswart8116 Год назад
Gebruik altwee skaale op dieselfde tyd.
@eggbert191
@eggbert191 Год назад
And I thought I was special because i just got a chargemaster link lol
@ryniervantonder5195
@ryniervantonder5195 Год назад
Comment😊
@danishshooterhunter
@danishshooterhunter Год назад
I think the supertrickler is gonna be the fastest
@johnryan1386
@johnryan1386 Год назад
Mate the whole point of having a Daytona is so you can time things, not your bloody phone 😂
@Kareefontein
@Kareefontein Год назад
Neeeee! Jy gaan my geld kos 😂
@Kareefontein
@Kareefontein Год назад
Super
@daviddegeorge1665
@daviddegeorge1665 Год назад
I average about 6-8 secants loads with my super trickler . Sold my v4 and haven’t looked back . The super trickler destroyed the v4
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