800Frozone Strangely his hob goblin and the joker sound exactly the same. Yet when he plays fire lord Ozai or Master Eraqus he sounds distinctively different.
Norman Osborn created the Goblin persona. Kingsley's just a thief who couldn't come up with an original idea on his own, and that's ironic considering he's a fashion designer.
To be fair, Kingsley was also someone who stole other people's fashion designs when he first appeared in Spectacular Spider-Man's "belladonna" arc. So it is like him to steal people's looks!
Mark Hamill is awesome, hobgoblin in the animated series, luke skywalker, the joker, and the trickster as well as being that small character in the darksiders game.
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Too bad they never used the Hobgoblin as the Main Antagonist in any of the other Spider-Man Movies. They should’ve had that same guy who murdered Uncle Ben Parker to don the Hobgoblin costume, since the Hobgoblin’s Origin is related to that of thief & petty thug Arnold Samuel "Lefty" Donovan. Imagine if he was somehow used as a test subject for Norman Osbourne to test the Goblin gear, and all because of one simple motive…..REVENGE.
I grew up with the 90s series, so I always preferred Hobgoblin over Green Goblin, however I completely adored the treatment the Green Goblin got in Spectacular Spiderman. Steve Blum, as always, sensational!
Though the Green Goblin is superior, the hobgoblin is always the most interesting. When you fight the Green Goblin, you know its Osborn you're fighting. When it's the Hobgoblin, you don't know if it's Kingsly, or some poor sap who's been hypnotized. Also he's one of the only villains to never get truly caught and even retired for a good while until Phil tried to take his mantel. And finally, while Osborne seeks power, Kingsly seeks wealth, as he was a well known mercenary for hire who eventually made more profit selling super villain/hero names/identity without lifting a finger. Also his costume looks cooler
haustyl12 and plus with the Hob Goblin, it makes you wonder if you're battling the Joker all along, hiding under a new identity to escape Batman's eye (since The Joker and Hob Goblin are both voiced by Mark Hamill)
haustyl12 But Green Goblin is more iconic, he killed Gwen Stacy and was the first villain to unmask Spider man plus the Green Goblin is Harry's father making his identity more interesting
Charles Floden Well I did say the Green Goblin is superior and the best Goblin. I just like the Hobgoblin more because of the mystery of his idenity, and how he's a very well calculated villain who knows what he wants and isn't insane like the Green Goblin
Although I like Green Goblin as Spiderman's Arch-enemy (whenever Venom and Doc Ock aren't around) I like Hobgoblin more, because he isn't insane, isn't hampered by a split personality, and was clever enough to keep his identity a secret by way of brainwashing, money bribes, and doubles. Creating a mystery that went on for a long time before we found out it was Roderick kingsly...where as I think we all knew who green goblin was from the start.He also was smart enough to refuse to use the goblin tech or formula until he had worked out the bugs, same cant be said for Harry Osborn as New Goblin.
Hobgoblin was always my favorite character. Amazing Spider-man #239 (his first fight with Spidey) is my favorite comic ever. However, you guys missed a key element in his backstory- Ned Leeds. After Hobgoblin lost the Battle Wagon, he kidnapped Ned and brainwashed him into believing he was the Hobgoblin. Ned, as "Hobby," traded information with the Kingpin until Jason Macendale, a failed mercenary, hired a man called the Foreigner to kill Leeds and steal his gear. Since Leeds didn't have the strength enhancing drug Kingsely had, he was overpowered and killed by the Foreigner's goons, allowing Macendale to assume the mantel as the 5th Hobgoblin (after Kingsley, Lefty, Ned, and Flash). Macendale was the Hobgoblin from the late 80s to mid 90s, where he was finally caught, and outed Ned as the "original" Hobgoblin. This caused Rodrick to come out of retirement, kill Macendale, and reclaim the mantle of the Hobgoblin... only to be caught two issues later by Spidey. Fun fact: When Ned was revealed to be the "original" Hobgoblin in 1987, the writers at the time intended for that revelation to be true. It wasn't until almost a decade later when a group of new writers, sick of the "new, improved" Techno-Hobgoblin, realized a big continuity error in the "Leeds is the Hobgoblin" story- the original Hobgoblin could lift a medium-sized car, and yet Leeds was killed by a small team of assassins with normal strength. The real Hobgoblin should've been able to take on and easily kill the whole squad, but the assassins actually broke Leeds' arm before they killed him, something that should be impossible. That error caused the writers to reintroduce the Hobgoblin in his original outfit, and give Leeds a much-needed retconn and ultimately Kingsley revealed that Leeds was just a patsy, just like Lefty.
NO! Spider-Man 3 doesn't exists! never ever heard of that movie in my life! no sir! that horrible piece of shit emo peter that-70's-show-kid-as-venon ridiculous shit was never made! no no! thank god that movie doesn't actually exists or else I would be insanely pissed
Rodrick Kingsley is the original Hobgoblin. I read the comics. He figured out a way of getting the strength without the insanity. In the 90's cartoon. The Hobgoblin showed up before the Greengoblin. Instead of the other way around. And they revealed him to be Jason Philip Macendale. He was also the Jack O'Lantern.
Another example of the animated series screwing up origins and characters. TBAS did that with Tim Drake splicing him with Jason Todd and mixed Hal Jordan and Kyle Rayner no idea why they did that.
Dropkick Piper I’m in agreement. I like the intertwined histories, and the combination of technology, horror and character development necessary to these guys personas. The movies kind of skipped the horror, leaving just the mania and a watered down terror.....
Roderick Kingsley had an animated appearance in Spectacular Spider-Man... Hobgoblin was planned for season 3 and we got a taste of “Kingsley” having inconsistencies in personality when under duress. They also changed his occupation to a CEO of a perfume company (probably to justify the chemistry issue) It could have been great!
The Hobgoblin is still my favorite goblin. I'm glad to see him in the comics and hope to see him replace the Green Goblin in the movies someday. I think him setting other people up for the fall would be interesting and for Roderick Kingsley to get away at the end of the movie. Making him totally different than how the Green Goblin had been seen in the movies. The Hobgoblin is more of a thief anyway.
What's interesting is that Hobgoblin was created after Spider-Man let a petty crook go free, much like he did with the burglar who ended up murdering Uncle Ben. After Spider-Man gave up chasing the black dude because he was tired of crawling through the sewer, the criminal ended up discovering Norman Osborn's secret lair.
Also, something to keep in mind is that Hobgoblin was awesome when he was a mystery man but started sucking when the writers began fucking with his secret identity. The original writer, Roger Stern, was building up to a Roderick Kingsley reveal. Fans picked up on this and correctly guessed who he was, though, so when different writers took over before Stern could finish they decided to reveal Hobgoblin as Ned Leeds instead. This was in 1987, and only ten years later in 1997 did Roger Stern come back to set the record straight with Hobgoblin Lives. So for ten years it was continuity that Ned Leeds was the Hobgoblin. This was annoying to fans because all the blatant clues building up to the reveal pointed to Roderick Kingsley. Ned Leeds was a longtime supporting character who never exhibited any criminal behavior during the prior twenty or so years he had been featured in the comic.
Green Goblin aka Norman Osborn first appeared in (comic) Amazing Spiderman 14 , when Norman died his son Harry took over as the second green goblin , but at no point in time was Harry Osborn the hobgoblin but in fact the second version of his father aka 2nd Green Goblin ----------- for everyone who keeps saying is Harry Osborn the hobgoblin, god pick up a damn comic book
Hobgoblin has always been one of my favorite Spider-man villains ever since both a. he appeared in the Gang Wars cross-over and b. his Secret Wars action figure. Probably the most underrated Spidey foe ever. Do to the Hobgoblins demonic character design, a friend's bible-belting mother declared all comic books the work of the devil and took away her sons entire comic book collection and gave it to me! Tough break, but had some key issues I needed to fill holes in my own collection. Strange how in order to save her son from eternal damnation, she obviously didn't give thought to my salvation. Ah well, he's probably more successful than me and and living a better life.
Both Green Goblin and Hobgoblin could benefit a power makeover... simply because there's no way an ordinary, small satchel could contain a seemingly limitless supply of pumpkin bombs, etc. Unless it's magical.
see and that is why I LOVE this channel I swear I had my own story about the Hobgoblin for so long I ddnt even really care. Thank you for setting this straight.
Much like the Joker in the DCAU, most of the Hobgoblin's appeal is in Mark Hamill and his animated voice portrayal. Funny how the man who's been best known for playing the greatest hero in the universe is also, arguably, THE king of villains in voice acting
what always bugged me is that in the 90's series, in season 1, the episode 11, named 'The Hobgoblin part 1', you get a glimpse of Hobgoblin unmasked from the back. There you can see that he is black and bald. This, even though he is much later revealed to be someone of compleatly different complexion
Yes he performed the Hobgoblin and later his revealed alter ego, Jason Philip Macendale, the latter a departure from the comic book version. Instead of a mercenary who switched from Jack O'Lantern to Hobgoblin, Macendale in the animated series was a street hood hired and trained by Osborn to assassinate Wilson Fisk. He later used his ill-gotten gains to finance a new socialite identity known as Jason Phillips, which he used to court Felicia Hardy until being exposed.
I LIKE THEM BOTH!!! The Green Goblin was great, of course. But he got killed and it was really labored the way they kept bringing him back. The Hobgoblin came along when the web-slinger himself desperately needed a shot in the arm -- and the Hobgoblin was perfect. I'm not choosing just because I'm "supposed" to.
I think Hobgoblin was a really good villian in the Spiderman cartoon series. Probably the only reason though that Hobgoblin was able to beat Spiderman so many times was cause of the hang glider. And remember, in the cartoon, Spiderman didn't beat Hobgolin, Green Goblin did.
Me too. Better costume and actually more practical with covering his tracks and identity. I think of the original Green Goblin's time ending when he died the Night Gwen Stacy Died, so I sort of see GG as being a great adversary but painfully inept at keeping his plans together. I mean him killing himself with the glider for one and the constant amnesia and his laboratory being stumbled upon by many different people over the years. The guy was sloppy. Hobgoblin on the other hand had his shit together.
Nightman221k Well alright I respected your defense but still u have to give respect that is due. If not for green goblin we would not have hobgoblin. Hobgobllin is still a rip off of this magnificent villain. Venom is not really a villain to me because he has no real motivation. When he is not killing spiderman he does not do anything villainess. He even saved a baby from drowning. so how is he a real villain. doc ock , Osborn, and carnage are true villains. admit it only reason venom and hobgoblin gets so much love because they look cool, which is retarded. not calling u one just other people.
i like both goblins in fact.. Both men have private identites that nobody suspects., Norman Osborn is a rich man, Roderick Kingsley and Jason Phillips Mcdendale were both rich too. i like it when sombody lives a double life..
@@lunakingsley.7247 true, the Kingpin was among the Green Goblin's prisoners along with Mary Jane Watson, Black Cat's mother, J Jonah Jameson, and other Oscorp board members
OK...Wow! Kingsley must have an exponential learning curve and massive brains to boot! Having no background in chemistry or engineering, and he IMPROVES on all of Osborn's stuff? Osborn should have hired this guy to revamp his gear
Whoa, I gotta nerd out for a moment but Roderick and Daniel Kingsley weren't twins. The were brothers that looked very similar (with the help of a hairpiece). I know, I know, seems like a nitpick but this was actually a point of contention for this characters insanely convoluted internal publication history. It's actually quite the story. If you want to see how bickering between writers and editors and all of the other crazy backstage shenanigans in the world of comics can affect what's put on the page, everyone (lol ok, maybe not everyine) should look more in depth at hobgoblins history. Its wild how nuts it got without having the story devolve into clone saga levels of terrible.
I honestly believe that Norman is the better goblin. I mean Norman has done so much more as the Goblin. He found out Peter's identity,killed Gwen,ran the sinister six(not to mention the sinister twelve),brainwashed his own son into carrying on his legacy,orchestrated the entire clone saga, took over New York with a goblin army (that Hobgoblin was a part of),and when he "died" he simply came back over and over again sometimes even changing his face. Hobgoblin is good but I'd say he places sixth in the top ten.
Yeah Green Goblin is the better Goblin Hobgoblin is a Green Goblin ripoff. But im not going too lie his boss fight on Spiderman Shattered Dimension was pretty awesome.
Ryan Simmons I think they could've brought him in Spider-Man 4 where George Hill was on the roof of the Osborn mansion and discovers the lair of the Green Goblin.
Ryan Simmons Tell you what this summer when I'm out of school I'll work on a fan made script of Spider-Man 4 and I'll be giving it to Sam Raimi to see if he likes it. Even though it won't be produced I'd like to do something for him since he had several scripts of Spider-Man 4 written but still hated them.
I liked the original hobgoblin mystery in the comic books. Marvel kept us reading and guessing for months, years. It was fun. The demogoblin was cool too. It was confusing though because Jack O Lantern became hobgoblin for a while
Hobgoblin is in the top 5 Spiderman Villains, top 10 for sure. Green Goblin is #1 and Kingpin (Especially from TAS) is my #2. Hobby might be my #3, Venom and Carnage tied for #4 and Doc Octopus is probably #5 though Shocker, Electro, Rhino, Scorpion, Mysterio, Chameleon, Vulture, Sandman, Hydro man, Kraven, and Tombstone rotating in and out of my top 5 and 10. Even characters like Lizard, Hammerhead, Smythe, Morbus, The Beatle, Silvermaine, Negative Man, Molton Man, Man Wolf, Spider Carnage and lesser characters than even them are all great. Spiderman and Batman easily have the best Rogues galleries with Superman, Green Lantern, Captain America and the X-Men being runner ups. Fantastic Four is up there too. Dr. Doom who I consider just the big bad of Marvel is definitely a Fantastic Four villain but he's showed up in more Spiderman content so He gets a special mention as my favorite villain along with Apocalypse.
