Support Weapon Tier List after 900 hours - Helldivers 2 

Imo even if the lock on is fixed (still waiting for that end of the month fix), it deserves a buff. It needs to be capable to one shot tanks, turrets, chargers, BTs too and from any angle, factory striders two shots in the head part at most. Even add some AoE to various AT weapons explosions because it comes only with 4 missiles. And that's not a lot, imo the backpack should add one more for a total of 5 shots vs RR's 7 shots. If team reloaded, I once depleted the entire backpack (don't ask how I managed to chain lock every single heavies in sight at 150m) in a matter of 3 seconds with meh result on target. It ironically needs a buff despite being the most powerful weapon in the game with something like quadruple digits damage I believe? Even worse than that is the fact that AT weapons can't one shot nursing or bile spewers all the time either shooting the sack but an autocanon will do fine on that after a few shots despite the major caliber/explosion difference. That's unbelievable.

F U N D E T E C T E D

"meta = exploit" *(▀̿Ĺ̯▀̿ ̿) _Devs

One of the worst updates they added. I fucking hate how shit their map generation is, so they punish us by first making our stratagems bounce off mountains, and then they eventually add invisible walls to certain terrain to stop us from getting an edge. The entire studio is ran by masochists that just absolutely love to endure the most painful, rigorously nonsensical bullshitery I've ever seen. Every one of those guys just love taking fun away.

Yet they still havent fixed bots dropping on and inside cliffs and surviving inside killed dropships. Yes, lets just nerf the players more (the defence mission thing is an exploit though, illl give them that)

Alexus: upon watching this video I have noticed that a lot of support weapons against the bots are in F tier. We have decided to unbalance the game by nerfing the AMR, Laser Cannon, and Autocannon, and we have also buffed all bots in every category they can be buffed in.

If the any of those get nerfed im done with the game

@@skoomd4447 After the drop of new exo suit and seeing how terrible it is... I'm taking even longer breaks between playing HD2 now... how the hell does an exosuit do less damage than a standalone weapon??? 🤦‍♂ There is zero logic there... and the fact that it's supposed to be useful against bots which smother you with rockets... so the flimsy armour doesn't match the description makes for an abysmal experience.

@@earthtaurus5515 What's worse is it does less damage that the standalone even when you use both shots as the same time. Like yes one of the arms should do more damage than the standalone weapon but if it dropped where you at least did like 1.5 times the damage when firing both at the same time it would have at least been better received.

@@blueberyjuice8242 WAIT they nerf the AMR not long ago ? Im not playing the game like a month ago because "its too much fun"!

Very good point. Once someone told us how to do it, we never bothered to for the reason you just stated.

I’ve been commenting this everywhere I can. This is SUCH a needed feature!

Agree but also that it would make more sense to me because having to reach around and pull something from your own backpack seems a lot more awkward (and slow) than pulling something from someone else's backpack.

@@windsgrace688 i was just going to comment this lol. you see your guy take forever to grab a shell off of his own back to load yet your buddy can do the same thing really fast. i understand that they want people to do team strats but like what's easier grabbing a heavy shell from your own back or a heavy shell that's on someone else's back? i dont usually have issues with it cause i got people that like loading me because its "cool" but id love to have randos be able to come up and load me without them needing to give up there own packs

why lol

So everything under armoured does should be a 1 hit kill?

lol aim for the head controller scrub

@@albenjammin Hunters are fodder enemies that attack in swarms, they're not supposed to tank shots like that.

@@garrettclark7778lol get a life loser

Bro not even the AMR can one shot hunters sometimes.

they just need more interesting modifiers. Like Bile Spewer modifier (so we know that they're on the map) or shrieker modifier. There shouldn't just be a straight nerf to the strategems (like how orbitals become inaccurate)

​@GameFuMaster i agree, and to expand on that point, there should be modifiers that HELP the players too. That's the one thing all games with mission modifiers seem to get wrong. There needs to be boons along with banes.

Ya did it, gamer.

nice, now they will nerf the anti material sniper to the shitter, and wont nerf the autocannon why? because pielsted LOVES auto cannon

@@quanlinglingdingle6122 that's not really an issue, the games piss easy at level 9 even with the multiplayer quantity of patrols duplicating bug breeches glitch. if they ever fix the glitch and buff weapons it will be like we just took 25 Lbs. ankle weights off and the game will be a walk in the park after these last 3 months of unintended game function.

@@TravisStockton “The game is piss easy at difficulty 9 🤓”

Yeah well the CEO stepped down basically because that fucking idiot AH is ruining their game. And all AH’s dumb shit got reversed. Fucking clown that’s what you get for being a douche and purposely trying to ruin the game

Haha, no they're not! Now on a "totally" unrelated note... How often do you use the AMR, and how overpowered would you say it is compared to current state railgun? We- uh, I mean arrowhead have a vision, trust me! :) -"totally" not Alexus

But I think applies to playing solo. When I play with my brother, he usually takes something AT (mostly Quasar) and then I can go with for example cluster rocket, and it works great.

@@madoqenplaying with friends/relatives/people you trust is different, that's true. You can even be somewhat of a functioning team. Most of helldivers play with randoms and you always need swiss army knife loadout because no one will be so kind to cover your weakness

Sounds about right. Armor should be a valuable resource when thrown against players but they just spam it constantly, the merit for killing them is just lost when you know they would spam another 10 at you.

Yes... but may I recommend playing on difficulty 5-6 then? Difficulty 7 is not meant to be straightforward. Especially when you push towards 9, when even strategems alone isn't going to be enough to save you from all the bile titans, so AT is practically required regardless. Though I'd note that this doesn't apply to solo play. In solo play, kiting and avoiding fights is the goto strat regardless, and should be less considered for balancing purposes as it would too heavily favour tactics that benefit stealth-type gameplay. (when soloing objectives, I often just stun the charger and drop aggro rather than engaging it)

​@@LaserTractorI play a lot with "rando's" and I find that they will help you out if you let them. People also really appreciate it if you help them out, like clearing out a lot of chaff for them while they are blowing up a bile titan. You should try it.

I don’t need emotional support when I have heavy weaponry

It is therapy to me.

Pretty much spot on though I will add that on bug missions weapons that can deal with stalkers or bike spewers can hold their own but the charger I still a lot more dominant when choosing stratagems/support weapons

@@A_RandomSliceOfCheese Stalkers can be dealt with very easily with any precision weapon because they only have 130 HP on their head hitbox and can be dealt with by any viable primary weapon. Bile Spewers are a weird case because they are rare only appearing in 3/10 bug missions on hidden Acid enemy modifier in which case they don't appear in any other mission.

@@Evan-mt7bc you right but like I said I know chargers are far more dominant the only other enemy I see kinda competing with it is hunters but they are more in consideration when picking primary

In uncoordinated public lobbies or singleplayer matches, this is more or less true. When you cannot reliably count upon teammates to take out targets with extreme prejudice using the specialize options for doing so, every player is forced to be more or less self-reliant. Which means you need a loadout that can do a bit of everything, and AT exists exclusively in the Support slot and in Stratagems- and as stated, charges can't really be dealt with via stratagems except those that drop hellpods (stick a charger with a blue-beam basically guarantees a kill as long as you can get the charger to stop moving for a moment) Same is true of bots, except the number of weapons capable of dealing with hulks is greater than for chargers, since even pen 4 weapons can pen the visor. However, in even loosely coordinated group play, teammates making use of extremely heavy AT options (like team-reloaded Recoilless/Spear) and a small bit of staying more or less together can enable others on the team to specialize into clearing out chaff via other non-AT weapons. Helldivers is a game about teamwork and coordination, although solo play is possible, its highly inadvisable for exaclty the fact that it enforces a very, very strict type of optimization.

I hate shieldens more than Hulks, rocket devastators and gunships combined. Ragdolling every now and then adds some spice into the game, unlike the sudden laser hailstorm which turns you into a sieve

for reeal, our destroyers can see how much samples we can find on the mission but can't spot for shit gigantic green pimple ? c'mon

I've thought this as well. We need some kind of intel during the loadout screen to guide our choices.

Why not have it also roll your average predicted damage/score, and you dont even have to do the mission?

Bugs don't reduce stratagems to 3. You will always have 4 stratagems vs bile titans. Doesn't make the game any less awful, but I just wanted to clarify.

whats funny people will say "this is a team game" yet none of the stratagems are confirmed 100% lethal to kill a BT, heck i saw someone in my team put a 500kg (more like 50kg) bomb on a BT's face and its still chasing us after the explosion, now imagine every divers has 2 BT's and 3 chargers at once chasing em in helldive with limited options ITS LAUGHABLE even for someone who plays helldive

@@quanlinglingdingle6122 Feels like a roll of dice when using the 500kg against a BT. Sometimes a BT has taken no damage and gets oneshot by the bomb, next another BT comes in with its bile sack blown away and it tanks 500kg:s even when they blow up in the same exact spot the first BT got one shot by.....

@@quanlinglingdingle6122that’s the 500 mg bomb 😂, imo best way to deal with BL’s is getting under them shooting both their sacs and using either precision strike or orbital rail cannon. If you have the distance quasar can be really good too.

@@nicholasryan5906 did this a few days back - shot both of his sacs, used orbital railcannon and it still didn't kill him :/ meanwhile my friends are sometimes able to one-shot him with orbital railcannon without even destroying the sacs...

One spoonful of tar ruins a barrel full of honey (old russian saying)

@@LaserTractor Dang, so true.

Ngl i find 9 easy as right tbh

Allright settle down with the hyperbolic negativity. Games still fun as hell, hopefully the ceo stepping down can help with the nerf-happy alexis

@@siluda9255 depends on if you are solo or grouped, you fight the same number of patrols thus drops/breaches as one as you do as a group. and patrols ALWAYS spawn off-camera (even if that means behind a rock) so 99% of the time that means they spawn in aggro-range in a flanking position.

They already increased laser cannon damage, it's honestly fine as it is now, as a primary weapon replacement that has better penetration.

Grenade launcher was great at the start before we had other options worked out and people played differently. It's still great on bugs blitz missions as you can very quickly take out an entire large big nest in 1 mag. Laser cannon is similarly great on hatcheries for taking out eggs and not needing to reload. Most weapons have their place and don't need to all be anti bile titan/hull/strider to have their place.

@@samwild6630 Though nowadays I just run eruptor (even post nerf) for that purpose, as it's more reliable for long-range hole closure, and I can still run it with recoilless to take care of chargers and titans and towers. Pair these with verdict to take care of lights and stalkers (you just run away from most mediums, the stray few that can keep up can still be handled by eruptor even post-nerf even if it takes a few more shots) and stuns to help with the hit-and-run, saving the rest of the strategems for horde clear, CC, and whatever you want. (I personally run AC turret, emp turret, and 500kg)

Grenade launcher with the supply pack and airburst orbital cleans up huge numbers. But you need to rely on your team for anti armor.

@@sinteleon This is my exact point. People jump on the bandwagon that all weapons aren't prenerf railgun that can 2 shot bile titans and therefore the game is bad and everything is trash. Yeah most primaries aren't good enough to handle helldive by themselves. A lot need some serious tweaking (Purifier). Most of the support weapons are fine for what they are meant to do. HMG needs sight alignment fixed and the spear needs it's target fix and more, but the others are all pretty fine.

a risky strategy that sees you weakened against the heavies for a maybe help-out against the masses. Tho not without its benefits.

As a tier list, this doesn't make EATs any better. Its has numerous downsides. You are choosing to play the game in a very specific fashion in which EATs are the most suitable thing for your build and the way you want to play the game. As a more objective approach recoilless has a trade-off, but it does many unique things other anti-tank weaponry cannot do. It has very fast reload potential with an ally making it the fastest throughput anti-tank weaponry in the game with plenty of ammo to shore up its reserves. Even solo with longer reload the throughput on recoilless is insane compared to Quasar or EATs as you are only limited by how fast you can reload and how much ammo you have. Eats are affected by negative modifiers, requires you to stick around a specific section of the map to use it. Cant' really be brought in against jammers. End of missions with extra time stops EAT deployment. EAT is just very easily a grade lower than recoilless because you cannot carry all your ammo with you and you have no way to increase the throughput. Quasar is a middle ground. It removes many of the wielding restrictions of EATs by carrying it with you allowing you to use it, but it can't double tap as quickly. THough over the course of the game its throughput is pretty high and very flexible on movement. Recoilless is easily the highest tier weapon. If you put restrictions on yourself like saying, OH, I need to use this backpack slot that is where EATs can move to the top of a list. Though of a more objective list recoilless is the best anti-tank weaponry in the game. Even above orbitals in many cases due to its sheer spammability.

this is really cool, I'm gonna try a few runs like this. ive never used the found support weapons

I like using the EAT but i just throw it when i see a charger/titan to switch out with whatever support i use the other 85% of the time then once the threat is dealt with i pick up my original support weapon like a stalwart etc.

@@blazewing2343 he gets it 😉

Most of the B tier weapons aren't even good. He's definitely being too nice to the railgun. Its at best C tier.

please, all C tier and above

He is nerfing all of them. Period.

@@GooiYingChyi Don't you dare insult Lemongrab he had a good redemption arc.

Why dont they fire alexus jeez

I wish it were a primary like in hd1.

I use the stalwart religiously on top three difficulties. 🤣 it's not shit with the right stategems and equipment. But it shines best with one to two teammates running heavy weapons.

I wanted to do a Eruptor + stalwart build once...before the eruptor's huge nerf...

@@jacktheripper7935 i do eruptor + stalwart or stalwart + dominator with grenade pistol. pistol for holes, dominator for chargers and hiveguards

@@elfireii328 It's in an awkward spot where it's not a very good support weapon, but it would be way too good of a primary. In HD1, it was balanced around being a sidegrade to an assault rifle, so it would have to be nerfed pretty heavily to fit back into that role. Otherwise it would just render everything else obsolete vs bugs.

Hah

Current arc thrower is still amazing

​@@Drayhgoit's amazing at sucking ass that's for sure.

Please no

@@Drayhgo meh, blitzer works better

yup, there's a crusade against fun and I'll never understand it.

Lol, I was wondering that, too

Sadly that's just typical HD2 jank which happens occasionally when shooting from an angle. It happens with chargers too.

remember, this if AFTER the devs buffed the deflection angles months ago (patch after the railgun nerf and it's less talked about breach/drop spawn-tripling)

Yes, recoilless rifle and EATs can deflect.

@@keenshibe7529 It's not jank, it's a intended mechanic for their to be deflection angles. It's suppose to add realism yet also make you factor in how you're shooting.

I'm surprised no other games copied gears of war active reloads.

I always run an MG and dominator on bots, to cover from medium to blank range. I take out striders with grenade pistol and the rest with EAT.

@@after_midnight9592 If I'm running MG on bots my primary is either scorcher or plasma punisher, MG, supply pack, and Eagle Airstrike with either orbital laser, or 110 rockets. This gives me tools to deal with most things the bots throw at me to at least a decent level. With airstrike and 110 rockets filling in the gaps where MG is weak. Or using laser instead of 110 so I can throw and forget it at objectives like heavy bases, or eye of sauron. EAT is a perfectly acceptable replacement for 110, and probably better most cases. I just personally like using 110's despite their occasional targeting wonkiness because of their versatility, and because I can use them to take out annihilators while I'm safely behind a rock. Or toss them over base walls and watch them hit the fabricator.

@@Deadsnake989 Plasma punisher is a good alternative cos it can also take out striders. Scorcher has too low fire rate for when bots close in, imo. I use primary for blank range cleanups, when there's no time to reload the MG. That's why I prefer MG and dominator, to quickly mop them up, just mag dump before MG can be safely reloaded. Supply pack is a must. Airstrike for base attacks and rail strike for hulks.

I kill so many chargers as an Autocannon Bro. Quasar Kids just panic when they miss their shot. Easy kills on the charger"s hind end while he's playing tag with them. Even Bile Titans die so much easier if I soften them up with the Autocannon first (break the sacs).

@@CovertJaguar you are doing democracy proud sir

Personally, I feel like he did the autocannon dirty for bugs. The autocannon can essentially deal with every enemy and most of the bug structures. Spore spewer, sherker nest, bug holes, and call be destroyed at a distance before you even get close to it. Granted, yes, it does take a backpack slot and can't really take out smaller enemies effectively, but that can be solves by using primary weapon.

TBH that's why I like taking the grenade launcher. AS LONG AS I can count on my teammates to deal with the bile titans and chargers, I can mow down everything else with a grenade launcher and resupply pack. Not to mention, keeps resupplies freed up for my teammates to use and gives me endless stims.

Well i mean youre still gonna be behind cover but yeah unli ammo and you get to pick another backpack with the queso

That's why I take Quasar because if you don't OS a charger, well...have fun 😂 And it lets me pick the laser doggo, which is something I can't live without anymore in bug missions. Hearing those $%^&*" hunters screaming in pain while you do nothing is pure bliss.

That's the main reason I prefer the big plasma boi over the RR when I do take anti-tank: it's the fact you stay active and controllable during the "reload" phase, even if it's longer than the Recoilless. Clear chaff, kite the big guys, call in stratagems: you can keep playing instead of locking into a reload for 5 seconds. Assisted reloads are cool, though. Just not reliable given the required level of coordination and just how hectic firefights can get even with a good squad.

It is not their "vision" apparently Also don't complain, let arrowhead do their job, they know better, play with your mouth shut, know your place and be grateful for what you have (Sorry, I tried to make typical devs bootlicker comment)😂

When it works, it's very useful against the bots. "When" being the keyword...

​@LordVader69420 39 seconds every Tuesday

Spear on paper seems like a top tier weapon. Auto aim, one shots even the heaviest enemies AND objectives/enemy spawners from hundreds of meters away. It just cant hold that peformance consistently. If they can figure out how to make it more consistent via the lock/ shot angles then itd be great.

@FiendLuckless it doesn't one shot everything though, it still needs a buff of some sort after it gets fixed...

@@LordVader69420 IMO its fine in terms of power as the only thing it cant one shot if the stars align is factory striders, to my knowledge anyway. it just needs to not be an edging machine and i think itd see infinitely more use. Buffing it after making it consistent would risk stepping on the toes of RR and making it obsolete.

I prefer EAT + quasar for the rocket evac mission instead. Alternating between EAT and quasar helps to mitigate EAT cooldown downside, meaning you don't need to rely on resupplies.

@@sinteleon i mean at that point just run 2 quaso, you can survive the first 7 mins on existing stratagems then after that every new call-in means less cooldown between shots.

@@IRMentat Yes, but with the extra queso cooldown, even double queso isn't quite fast enough to take care of a triple dropship round. And it's not like the queso + EAT is wasted, the extras you get is helpful to take out the factory striders anyway.

Most fun is when everyone brings both mortars and hmg emplacements on those missions.

@@after_midnight9592 You really only need 2 emp mortars anyway (one for each side)

Don't shoot the bile titan while it's spewing. It takes less damage during the animation.

@@LordVader69420 While this is essentially true, the real question is: Is this fun? Why does a bile titan take less damage from the sides of the head, chin, and mouth than from a shot to the forehead when these parts seem to be less armored?

@@windsgrace688 idk, ask that dip$hit Alexus why he wants to suck all the fun out of the game. I was just trying to help buddy out because he doesn't know how to kill them effectively with a rocket launcher, and I just learned this the other day myself. To helldivers, knowledge is power 💪

@@windsgrace688 baiting BTs into spitting is far too easy. its more fun that they have resistance when they're attacking so they're not trivialized by some simple bait tactics.

​@@MagikarpPoweruntil you have to kill more than one bile titan, then suddenly its a stupid mechanic

i mean there is a setting in the game that is supposed to keep fire modes stored the way you put them but it doesn't seem to work at all

Railgun absolutely needs better damage against gunships, tanks, and cannons

@@MagikarpPower"Experimental weapon specializing in high armor penetration" >sucks at armor penetration

Does it kill titans? No. Does it kill chargers? No. Does it do anything that a base primary couldn't? No. It's an Eruptor on an 8 minute cooldown that also takes your support weapon slot.

@@Orudaiken"It's an Eruptor on an 8 minute cooldown that also takes your support weapon slot" I think that's going a little far. GL is semi auto, 10 round capacity vs 5, and you get to run the breaker incendiary in your primary slot. Neither the GL nor the Eruptor are very effective vs titans and chargers, but that's what EATs, 500kgs, and teammates are for. If you're solo or nobody on your team is running AT, then don't take it and go for an AT option yourself. In any other situation, it's good.

​@@OrudaikenUnforeseen plot twist, its an explosive weapon (wait...grenades are explosive?) Just catch a charger after a failed charge and blow up its butt before it turns around to kill it, I've killed chargers multiple times doing this and its easy, and even easier with a stun grenade. Whilst it won't kill Bile Titans it takes like 2 shots to blow up the bile sac, and just take a stratagem to handle the big guy

​@@OrudaikenAdditionally clears medium enemies in 3 shots or less, and whilst not the BEST at clearing stuff like hunters, scavengers and the like just take a breaker incendiary for that purpose, and to clear enemies who get too close to use the grenade launcher. The Grenade Launcher can perform very well once you get used to it

@crisppancakes743 Scorcher and Breaker Incendiary both outperform the grenade launcher at clearing medium units, and both outperform the grenade launcher at destroying titan sacs and charger butts. The only thing that you can even argue the grenade launcher is good at is closing holes. But even then, the Eruptor is better with 30 shots and better range, and the grenade pistol is arguably sufficient for every task the launcher could do. And even for using your launcher on light units? You would be better served with eagle clusterbomb, performing a whopping 15 runs in 8 minutes. And the moment you suggest using ammo drops for resupplies on trash units? Just use a primary that does enough clear with enough ammo economy. Grenade Laucher is F tier because of the opportunity cost.

Also great vid, keep it up.

The grenade launcher is fine, he’s just rating everything how well it can kill chargers and titans.

@@maybeiamepic2263I'd said rating for a solo player. The stalwart, grenade launcher... these all perform well in their role, but that role isn't suited to solo 7+ runs.

@@sharktrap267 the entire selling point of the game is co op. Stupid to rank them this way and doesn’t even take into account your other stratagems. You could run the stalwart perfectly fine on bugs if you loud up on heavy killer stratagems. I’ve soloed helldives (level 9) with the grenade launcher because it clears nests well, leaves a backpack slot open, and has AOE and stagger for bigger targets. It’s a good weapon

@@maybeiamepic2263 that's mostly how he plays, so it makes sens that he'd review it based on solo play. That said, I don't play solo 7+, so I don't agree with everything presented. Just that I know why he completely disregards anything that can't deal with the biggest targets.

Cope

@@TheCosmicAstro- Refusing to even attempt to learn when the Spear will / won't lock on properly is like shooting Bile Titans in the body with the Quasar, taking 10 shots go kill, and complaining that it's unreliable. Medium range. Have it face you. Have height advantage. Don't shoot through smoke. Ping it. Crouch. First try 3rd person, then swap 1st person and shake around for the green box if need be. (The 1st person sight has an inertial 'resistance' as you approach the green lock angle in 1st person that you can absolutely get used to.) Not an "instant win" button against anything, but it will make real progress on the enemies you need to kill (chargers, bile titans, hulks, tanks, laser towers, fabs), quite unlike half the other options. Only option in the game for even semi-consistent long-range anti-tank kills (like killing titans / chargers / hulks chasing your friend 150m out). B-tier, and anybody ranking it lower is downranking from frustration alone.

​@@Larknok1 "Medium range. Have it face you. Have height advantage. Don't shoot through smoke. Ping it. Crouch. First try 3rd person, then swap 1st person and shake around for the green box if need be. (The 1st person sight has an inertial 'resistance' as you approach the green lock angle in 1st person that you can absolutely get used to.)" No shot youre being serious. if so, seek help

On the AMR? Yeah they were mostly, they feel maybe a tiny bit off at >150m maybe

it's not hate, if you like a weapon use it but understand the game please. go solo and try and kill a factory strider with the machine gun. let me know how many bullets it takes.

@OhDough I have and will continue to do exactly that: the MG-206 *can* solo Factory Striders. And it doesn't take as many bullets as you might think. "Understand the game" sounds just as toxic as those that say "skill issue". There is no skill issues here, just some quirks you need to get used to. But since you apparently don't know these facts, that means you obviously haven't gotten enough trigger time with one. Let me know if you want me to provide a demonstration 👍🤘

bro, no one but larpers call the HMG MG-206. thought you meant the machine gun. in any case it still doesn't compare to a real support weapon. use what ya want and cut back on the larping a bit.

@@OhDough so you're covering your ignorance with toxicity and attempted insults back at me? Wow. You're a POS.

​@OhDough Jeez you're trying to spout hate because you never bothered to do proper research for your vid? So toxic man. Get a life.

I main the machine gun for both bots and bugs (cuz fun for me) on level 7 and 8. It is not as good as other support weapons, but if you know where to hit them, it can take down most enemies. I think F is extremely harsh on it, unless he knows AH is watching

it's the only way to properly rate weapons. if your teammates hold your hands how can you tell if a weapon is good?

​​​@@OhDough I'm not saying anything against you here. But I think the developers want us to work together to take stuff down. That's the appeal of COOP games in my opinion at least , each teammate being specialized in a way to take things down (thats what i like about thia game and deep rock galactic at least). I think the real issue is the stratagem discrepancy between heavy killing and non heavy killing. There is too hard of a line between how weapons can kill heavies. It wouldn't be easier to kill a bile titan with an HMG it just needs to be possible because EAT and recoiless would be better for ease of use anyway. They just need to nerf bile titan and charger spawns on bugs. Also you forget. Or probably don't even know, that tier 9 helldive is not the max difficulty of helldivers. 15 is the max difficulty of helldivers and that will eventually come to this game.

@@OhDoughKinda odd to rate weapons based on solo only for a team game. Imagine if someone rated Divinity in D2 as F tier since it’s not good solo, or Inspire Ace in PD2 as C tier since bots are bullet sponges that can revive each other instead. Noone would take them seriously.

@@OhDough -- that's not exactly right, though, since some weapons excel / really shine against targets at extreme ranges / when you're not being constantly aggro-rushed. For instance, the Spear is soooo much better in a 4x player environment. Sniping hulks / bile titans / chargers chasing your friend at 150m away is hilarious, fun, and surprisingly effective. Oddly, the lock-on at extreme ranges (on clear environment maps) feels much better than at close range. Since at any given time there's a bile titan chasing each other player, you pretty much always have targets. Your TTK on chargers / titans is often better than the recoilless, albeit less predictable. I would say it's B-tier against bugs. Not the best of the anti-heavy options (EAT, Quasar, Recoilless), but definitely belongs to be beside them. F-tiering it just because it's unreliable / frustrating is just weirdly disingenuous. A good player with the Spear is just 50x more effective than a player with the Stalwart / Airburst. Against bots, you get to snipe bot fabs and laser towers from any angle, *occasionally* 1-shot hulks (unreliable), and are among the very best options against tanks (kill from any angle). Not great for when you get aggro-rushed by hulks. I would honestly say B-tier again. Not anywhere near as good as AC / AMR, but honestly the best of the anti-heavy launcher weapons for the long-term utility alone.

I run AC on big missions and being that support guy for the team (as long as my team is bringing EATs, quasar or recoiless - then I bring AC 100% of the time) You can kill shrieker nests and spore spewers and still have ammo to deal with regular enemies until you get a resupply. Also in a pinch close bug holes from distance if needed. And the obvious if you run into nursing or bile spewers. My opinion if you’re running with a team it is A-/B+.

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auto grenade launcher + supply bag is s tier, no stationary reload and you have infinite primary/secondary/support ammo, stims, grenades. auto canon doesn't even come close, after 1000 successful missions I don't even bring an AT weapon on level 9, I just kill chargers with a stun nade and 3 grenade shots under its ass and throw 500's or rail cannon strikes at bile titans.

This tier list is valid for solo play only. GL in F tier for bugs ? No way.

Seriously, I'm seeing so many more of these on RU-vid, discord and Reddit. "Emanciptor is not as bad as you'd think. People who think they suck are just bad at the game". I don't mind being called out as being bad at the game, but seriously, if you are saying that mechs are redeemable in any case (spare Automation Eradication missions, and the day we had free weapons experimentation), you are not sober. Like I'm not even kidding, the only time I enjoyed the mechs is after I drank. People saying that the Airburst and Mechs are good, are just Drunk Beyond Belief (TM). (Remember the tutorial tip? Don't drink and dive!)

Dough goes hard on it and TBH i haven't had half the trouble he has in terms of getting it "to boom" where i want it to boom. The reload IS pain (relegates it to ambush/ranged/cover-fire) but at least it goes where you want and generally clears that spot up neatly. That said if there's 2-4 heavies chasing you down, it's only useful for sudoku. i'd like less "firework pop" and far more BOOM in the individual clusters ) a nice pretty dandelion of overlapping shrapnel & splosions not a firework of individual hits spreading all over the place.

​@IRMentat Dough goes hard on most of the weapons. He's not typically wrong in his reasoning, but he is just overly harsh in the trashing of a weapon and it feels very doom and gloom.

TBF you can bring anything playing as a squad because others can compensate as you mentioned

​​@@asocil4722 but if your team isn't good and you get chased by a BT, well... Have fun running for 2-5 minutes. If you play with random, that is.

@jacktheripper7935 I play with randoms and once had a team of players that were less than level 25 while I was running airburst, and we were mostly fine, and there were a ton of BTs

If it doesn't one shot 8 bile Titans it's shit. This guy uses this game to vent/work out his mental issues.

In other words, it can do stuff primary weapons can do.

@@XS69 that’s reductive. No primary can kill a charger in 2-3 seconds. Also if it could headshot a titan the existence of heavy anti-tank would be pointless. primaries that can blowout titan sacs quickly aren’t very good a dealing with chaff. It also has the fastest or on par with the RR ttk on spore towers/shrieked towers but at much greater ranges, takes a little over a full charge.

I stop for more than a month and don't get me wrong i WAS having a lot of fun BUT the dude that balance the weapons somehow find the way to make me quit really fast

I keep it all in mind but it would be too simple to say "everything is s tier because you can use other stratagems or rely on your teammates". It's within reason

yeah It definitely needs some improvements