jade hardy , I wouldn't care and I seriously doubt any other Christian, Trump Supporter or Conservative would care. Only liberal whining weenies cry about crap like this. I wouldn't even care if a black baker told me he doesn't make cakes for whites, other than the hypocrisy factor. I would say "oh, ok...I wouldn't want to do business with you anyway if that's your position." I wouldn't go run and sue him or run to the media.
This baker is amazing. He stood up for what he believes in no matter what it was going to cost him. He could have lost his business he worked hard to have. I respect him and I'm glad he won!
He's going to lose a lot of customers due to this tho, but that's capitalism :^). The government may not be able to screw him, but the citizens' wallets will
Actually, this will probably be great for his business because now you'll have a bunch of bigots flocking there because they want to give him money for fighting for their beliefs. Also, no matter what, it doesn't change the fact that the belief he's fighting for is the belief that he should be able to discriminate against customers based on minority status. He can say 'I make all of these cakes for straight people, but gay people can only buy from these selections in my inventory'. Based on this decision, all discrimination would have to be allowed as long as it was backed up by religious conviction, which would essentially allow all religious discrimination since that is almost always motivated by religious conviction.
@@johnkasarda219 but just imagine all of ur friends got these really good custom cakes for their weddings and you and ur partner wants the same but the owner won’t give you it bc of something you can’t change! You can say we’ll just go to another bakery but why should be denied bc how u were born It’s exactly same if a black person was denied service just bc of their skin
@@brettthebest3978 he does not make any cake that goes against his values,slurs,bad words ,overtly sexual and alcool themed .I really respect that.I did not like the comparison wt black people since black is something you see and someone being gay is not exactly written on their forhead.He does not have something against them as people just the union so not the same as being racist or even homophobic for that matter.
@Missy B I wouldn't either, I'm an atheist. You made an assumption based on a stereotype that I should be religious. Bravo. And you have the right not to. It's your business and your time. Anyone should be entitled to serve whoever he wishes, based on whatever subjective world view they have. It's not about is it ok to be gay or not, it's about freedom of speech, and if I don't want to do something, I cannot be forced to.
To late. 5-6 years ago I was an "ally." Today I have nothing but hate for you and your kind. Your kind are actively making pedophilia into an acceptable part of the LGBTQIA+2SMAP. Did I get all of that right?
Christians don't hate gays. We dont hate anyone. We believe that your soul is in danger because being gay is sinful. We're worried about you. And when people ask us to participate in things like this, we get worried about the safety of our souls if we participate. The "Christians" who hate people and are really mean and violent are NOT practicing what JESUS teaches. The mean and violent "Christians" are not really Christians. Real Christians love you. We hate the sin, not the person. And we believe that non repented sin puts everyone doing it in danger of going to hell. A lot of Christians have had paranormal experiences and have witnessed real miracles from GOD and we know for a fact that GOD is real and the Bible is true. And thats why we cling to our beliefs so strongly. Even if everyone thinks we're crazy. We know we aren't. GOD IS REAL ❤❤❤ JESUS LOVES YOU ❤❤❤❤
So basically he gets to discriminate and get his legal fees paid for? I’m sorry but fuck right off with that. If you choose to act like a dick then YOU PAY the consequences. By denying them based on gender (and it was based on gender) and sexuality he was being immoral. If you insist on being immoral and holding immoral views then you pay the consequence.
@@mylifepostpain3705 not really he does not belive in homosexuales getting married and by the way colorado does not allow them to get married he does not refuse service he just does not make cakes to them
@@mylifepostpain3705 your an idoit. They were trying to push their sexuality onto this religious man. If you don't like it go somewhere else. they are trying to force this man to do something that they don't want to do I'm pretty sure that's called rape. Now if this is okay I feel like rape should be okay that no woman should refuse a man sex.
Ryan Whitehead what the fuck? You say I’m an idiot (very funny coming from someone who cannot even spell the word idiot correctly) then in the next sentence you accuse them of raping him. Rape is a physical sexual attack. These guys didn’t even touch him they just gave him the finger and left.
Periodt poo No same does not go for religion. You should be free to practise whatever religion you want. However, your religious views are not so important that they should affect what services a total stranger can or cannot receive.
They gotta push their agenda and try to get people to conform to their beliefs. Funny how people who preach tolerance are the least tolerant of other peoples beliefs.
I'm honestly surprised to hear that the Supreme Court did the right thing and upheld the Constitution... I was so use to hearing the opposite during the Obama years.
Dont know why they couldnt just buy a really good looking cake and then just decorate it themselves? He offered to make a regular cake and sell them the shit to make it look like a wedding cake. Funny how every news outlet ignores that.
NaturalElicia not mad just disappointed that he can discriminate because this court ruling opens the door to even worse bigotry in the name of religion.
Doesn't matter if his opinion is bigoted, it is non-sequitur to his rights as a human being. It is his bloody right as a business owner to refuse patronage from or to hire any person for any reason. It is the Right of Freedom of Association. Business by definition requires voluntary transaction and cooperation. Anything else is an element of the Centralized Economic Planning and Forced Labor that led to the evils of Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union.
GreyWolfLeaderTW what?? When the government steps in and tells a private business who they have to bake for that sounds like socialist Germany or The Soviet Union. I’m not comparing lgbt to nazis but you wouldn’t want to bake a cake that celebrates nazis would you? Read the first amendment. You can force someone to do something that goes against their religious convictions. If you want to boycott or shame the business that’s fine. Criticize it all you want, but the government doesn’t need to get involved in this
GreyWolfLeaderTW it has nothing to do with bigotry. That baker never said he hated the couple. He just did not want to do something that celebrates something that goes against his religious convictions.
Missy B I think you need to reconsidered what religions you are heading into... if a church that is based on a religion tells you to hate gay people, then, they are very wrong...
This is not a moral issue,that is basically a discriminatory statement right there. This was just a case where a man was not refusing service to be discriminatory but refusing service on the grounds that their request was in conflict to his religious beliefs ,he welcomed their patronage of any other goods in his store at any time but the same sex wedding cake he could not do.
I can fix this problem with this alternative scenario: -Gay Couple: Excuse me, sir. We're getting married and we'd like you to make us a custom wedding cake. -Cakeshop Owner: Sorry, I can't do that. It contradicts with my faith as a Christian, but I'll be more than happy to sell you something else. -Gay Couple: No thanks. We'll just go somewhere else that will make us a cake. Boom! Problem solved.
All these delicate people. You cant always have things your way. I'm glad this guy won. The gay's rights shouldn't affect the Baker's rights. People that get offended this easy, is beyond crazy.
The constitution says “Every person is equal before the law”. It is important for all the people to be equal so that they do not have discrimination against each other. Then every citizen have equal rights and opportunities. There will be no creation of any type of stereotype or prejudice.
@@palaceofgnosis9941 Being equal before the law DOES NOT imply what you're suggesting. Quite contrary, there's something called First amendment and it protects exactly against this type of hostile behavior. These people are literally crying on national tv because someone wouldn't make them the exact cake they wanted. Do you understand how ridiculous that is?! It shouldn't even be discussed publicly if we are to retain sanity in this society.
Well I would honestly be offended if they didn't want to serve simply because I'm gay, or black, or jew. It's religion freedom but at the same time discrimination ? ;-;
I’m and atheist and will respect others religious beliefs and will always support gay marriage but if the store owner doesn’t want to make them a cake for their gay marriage that is ok it’s his store and he’s not kicking them out he just doesn’t want to go against his beliefs I think the gay couple are in the wrong for trying to push their sexuality on him by taking it to court its understandable to be offended but to take it to court is too far
Your not seeing the point here. The point is that liberals simply hate what is a different opinion than there's and instead of doing THE RIGHT THING and just finding another baker, they would rather ruin a man's passion because of their hateful agenda. thats what liberalism is...it's about intolerant hate for anything that doesnt follow their belief system
There's an important thing to remember here He didn't refuse service because they were gay He refused to make a product for an event he didn't agree with This is about the product not the people, and so is not discrimination He didn't tell them to get out of his store because he didn't like gays, he merely refused to make a custom made cake. Which he has every right to do
I don't respect him, but support his stance. I do think this man is a bigot that views gay men as less then worthy of service than his other customers. It's sad that we still live in a world that views gay men as less than straight men. But yes, he still has the right to do what he did.
Bro, ru fucking serious. So if I refused to make a custom cake for a black couple because I think white people are better, and those are just my beliefs, that's not discrimination?
Hate to say this but based on the comments I've seen in the video majority of the LGBT community does not want to respect the faith and religious belief of the baker. I have a high respect to the community but with regard to this matter, they should know how to give respect to other people. LGBT wants equality and respect, thus, they should also give it to other people.
The LGBT community don't want tolerance, they never had, they want one way compliance, as they clearly don't give a rats ass about other peoples convictions.
So when we talk about tolerance, we don't mean 'people should tolerate literally anything and just be doormats'. We mean tolerate differences that people can't control or differences that don't lead a person to cause harm to those aroud them. So if someone has a different skin color, or sexual orientation, or a disability, you shouldn't treat them like less of a person because of that. If someone has a difference that isn't causing harm, such as a religion (assuming that they don't adopt religious beliefs that lead them to act in a harmful manner to those around them), then yes, we should tolerate that. We do not mean that people should tolerate bigotry and intolerance. I've seen people argue that 'well in the big marketplace of ideas, the better ideas will win out, so let them be a bigot', but that's not how it ever works. For example, when you have a message board, and you let people express all political beliefs without criticism, and have a culture where you treat it like neo-nazis are the same as liberal hippie types, soon you only have neo-nazis, because no one else feels safe. Now, I know you're probably thinking 'but he just didn't want to bake them a cake, he's not a neo-nazi'. The problem is, people in our culture tend to only look for the biggest, loudest bigots, and refuse to see the harm the quiet bigots are doing. They think because someone's not burning crosses or threatening to kill anyone that it means they're not a bigot. He's not *as* bigoted, but the second he decided 'oh, those cakes aren't people like *you*', the baker was giving in to his worst impulses. He can say 'oh, it's my religious beliefs' all he wants, but just as I don't go 'oh, it's a religious thing' when I hear about a teenage girl murdered in an honor killing, I don't care if it's a religious thing when I hear about someone saying 'oh, I'm sorry, we don't serve your kind here'.
So when black people fought against places of businesses being able to say that their's was a whites only business, they should have just stopped manufacturing drama and found another restaurant?
Emilee Valerie Both are things you are that cannot be changed that people in our society are sometimes judged on despite that trait having nothing to do with who you are as a person and being in no way harmful to those around you.
PixieoftheWood So you’re telling me once I like women I can’t like men? People need to stop using black as a scapegoat for acceptance of their lifestyle. I have no problems with gays but I know that being gay or transgender is not even on the same level as being black or any other minority.
Emilee Valerie Thank you someone who finally gets that being gay is not the same thing as being black. When there is doctor who can change skin color or race please let me know.
Lol you have no idea what you are talking about. Dont know about this case in particular but in general, if a business refuses to serve a customer on discriminatory grounds it is illegal.
@@brokenglass8426 No, because the court sided with him because he didn't have a fair hearing, not because he was right about what he did. The case is not over yet. It is illegal for an owner to refuse service to someone because they are, for example, black, gay or a woman. If the reason of his refusal has racist roots, its illegal. If he refuses service to someone because he is out of ingredients or because he knows for a fact the customer cant pay for it, then it is legal
This wasn't about a cake. It was about 2 immature man picking a fight! THEY SHOULD pick up the Bill!!! THAT would be just! Try go grow up before entering a shop!
If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. (Leviticus 20:13)
We’ve all seen the signs that say “we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone” in businesses. That sign _use to mean_ “anyone” in the literal sense. Unfortunately, now that sign is basically useless thanks to all of the exceptions that have been tacked on through the government. I’m sorry, but I think that _any_ business should be allowed to serve whoever they want to, as well as not being forced to serve someone they _don’t want to,_
From both a moral and spiritual and ethical standpoint, there are certainly "some" things that are in the same category as "dynamite". I'm not going to sell dynamite to an arsonist, nor am I going to make and sell a wedding cake to a couple of gay men. Homosexuality is an abomination to God, no matter what laws men may make. Now if they pulled up to a gas station I owned, yes, I would most surely sell them gas. That would not be an issue. But if some 8 year old pulled up in his parents car and said, "Filler up." Um, I would most certainly and obviously decline such a request.@@abel3557
I used to not mind gay people back in the day, but, now with cases like this, I am not only annoyed but I just don't sit with, associate or do anything for them. My friend and I had a really big fight over this case a year ago
@@jonathanchowkai3654 uh no, that's an entirely different ball game. Besides, it is private property he has a right to refuse service. Just go to another bakery.
@@animeloverryan85 but sexual orientation is something someone can’t control also a business is supposed to have a professional relationship with there customers
@@jonathanchowkai3654 it is written in the bible and the guy has a right to express his faith as he sees fit. Plus, he never refused them service even though he had a right to do so. He offered them cookies or birthday cake, but they took it to the extreme because they didn't get what they want. They should have just gone to another bakery.
They did it specifically so they could sue for discrimination & blackmail him. Otherwise they would have gone to a baker who would accommodate them. Notice they didn't go (through 3 states) to a Muslim Baker (and they would never do it). It's not a vital service that you are obligated by law to provide. He offered the cake but not the customization (artistic freedom) Imagine if you sue a Muslim to paint an Muhammad portrait, same here: you violate his freedom to act, artistic freedom & religious freedom.
imagine being a black baker and a costumer ask you to make a KKK cake for a party you should have the right to decline the service because of your faith or ideals the same example can be made with ANYONE
If you have the right to refuse giving your body to someone sexually, then you should have the right to deny your labor for anything else involving your body. His hands make the cakes. He didn’t want to use his hands / his body for their services. If a hooker can say no to money, regardless if it hurts your feelings, why can’t he refuse your money? No means no means no. No reason should even have to be given. “No” why? “Don’t want to”. He’s not enslaved to anyone. You can say no to a date, why can’t say no for services without calling it hate? He’s self employed. Why does it matter his reason for declining an order?
I do not agree with the baker or with discriminaton in generall. I will defend his right to disagree with me though. Thus, i will defend his right to not create something that goes against his beliefs. The only case one has not the right to deny service is a doctor. Because in this case no service means physical harm.
Great decision! They are correct! I pray more & more ppl will turn away from sin! I'm so happy this baker doesn't want to approve of mortal sin. God bless their work and grant the Grace of conversion to all sinners.
Free market, freedom to associate. Which needs to happen much, much more! Nobody has the RIGHT to demand OTHERS be 'tolerant' or accepting of what others do/are.
I like how they tried to victimize themselves in regards to their rights being trumped by the First Amendment in this case. The reality however would have been true for any other instance. If anybody had asked this Baker to make anything else that went against his beliefs would have been turned down, not just their same sex marriage. This wasn't about gay rights, this was about the baker's freedom of expression, and religion.
if the couple got sued this would be a slippery slope. if i went into a gay bakery and said i want a cake that said same sex marrage is a abomination and if they don't I'll sue them. do anyone think that lawsuit should win. i don't think that should win
Here’s my philosophy on this A business, by default, can refuse anyone they want. Customers are using their property, services, and resources before any investment is done by default. The business can refuse anyone, let the invisible hand of economics determine if they succeed or not. This isn’t a problem for the government, go to another bakery. This isn’t legal discrimination that denies basic human rights, it’s his religious beliefs so just accept his terms and go somewhere else. However, which didn’t happen in this case but I will state anyway, when a customer invest its capital resources into said business and expect a returned service, you cannot take the money and deny them then and there because it is an unequal exchange of value.
They were demanding he create a custom piece of art for them. That's the important distinction. They could buy any other product in the store, but you can't force an artist to create a piece that goes against their personal tastes, whether it's aesthetic, religious, or otherwise.
So if you went to a bakery and asked them to bake a cake, but they refused to because of your sexuality or gender or race, would you be perfectly fine with that?
@@mrdr0161 you're such an idiot go back in another medical degree, the guy was not denying them service at the same rate the guy was not willing to compromise his moral belief in a marriage and what it means based on Bible standards. Why can't the gays allow what they preach?
@@disappointedkitty7536 don't talk about the bible. Because the Bible doesn't tell you to be be homophobic. There are plenty of religious people who aren't bigots. And it is the same. Someone is being denied service because of their sexuality. It is the exact same as being denied service because of your gender or race or because you're disabled or have green eyes. It's not OK to do. And baking a damn cake is not the same as saying merry Christmas to someone who doesn't celebrate it, because its really not the same
@@disappointedkitty7536 you seem to think the world revolves around religion. It does not. Your beliefs aren't more important than people's identities. In this world, it is immoral to discriminate against people and that's exactly what he did. Maybe you should take the POV of a gay person , constantly being discriminated by people like you, the people who claim to respect us but yet don't actually show respect and thinks by reading an old book, that gives them the right to say and do whatever they want to people. And just imagine you went into a store, and the owner refused to serve you because you're Muslim. Would you really be ok with that?
@@disappointedkitty7536 you can't respectfully discriminate against someone. Just because he's not yelling at them doesn't mean it's ok. And real people's identities are far more important than a few stories. You seem to believe a religious person can say whatever they want and treat people however they like and it's ok because they obey an old book. Maybe that's how it worked in 15th century, but not in 21st. What you say and do has consequences, no matter what books or Gods you believe in.
No ABC,as usualy you got it wrong yet again. The supreme court didnt rule in favor of the baker because the lower court "went about it the wrong way" the supreme court ruled in favor of the baker because it was a case of him exercising his religious belief . He did NOT refuse service to them and politely told them they could have any other cake in his store or any other goods available,but since his faith was in direct conflict with same sex he could not bake a WEDDING cake for two men. That is not discrimination,the gay couple did not have grounds to sue on since their rights were not violated or denied,and THAT is why the supreme court ruled in the bakers favor.
Supreme court 100% did right thing. Can't force someone to send a message, celebrate or participate in an event, or use artistic expression. Those are compelled speech and not just basic products.
Lightning Brigade He wouldn’t get mine. I don’t support any business that doesn’t serve the gay community in the same way that it serves the heterosexual community.
The Ü·ber·mensch As sad as it is you are right but that doesn’t mean that I’m not a allowed to disagree with his immoral beliefs and take my business elsewhere. Also, he should be made to stick a sign outside his shop that says I do not serve wedding cakes to gay people because I as the customer have the right to know which kind of business I am supporting.
Listen listen there are plenty of shops that exclusively make cakes for gay weddings at a certain point it goes beyond them fighting for justice and moves into forcing their beliefs on someone and strong arming him into denouncing his beliefs in place of theirs
We have religious rights too don’t forget I don’t personally give a dang what you do in you’re private time that does not mean I have to believe in what you believe in that’s where America has it messed up at
Fun fact the day after this case was settled another couple immediately asked him the same thing. And how much do you wanna bet these lot are gonna try the same shit all over again just to be petty
I was adopted by 2 wonderful dads and they even sided with the baker!! My papa said would they have taken it this far if it was a cake for Halloween or a hate group? And this took 5 yrs!!!
People are so full of it. They didn't want other couples to have to go through this. Go through what? Call another bakery? Such BS! You know damn well this wouldn"t be a story if the baker was Muslim.
wait did they say one of the gay guys sueing jack has the last name mullins? im kinda embarrassed. i live an hour away from jack and a distant relative of mine's maiden name is mullins.
It's not even like he refused to serve them he just didn't want to be forced to go against his beliefs. Freedom of religion come before snowflakes feelings
Its a stupid cake i don't think god is going to have a heart attack over two guy's getting a cake. really that guy was a snowflake. Honestly if it was two black couples and he refused it he would've been hanged for it. In a situation like this just change the two to another group of people and he isn't some hero he's a bigot simple as that
@@wolftitanreading5308 he's following his beliefs, and his belief is not in support of gays. He still offered them anything in the shop, just not a custom gay cake.
then he definitely would have loss the case. he said he wouldn't do it because of what he believed in and if he would've charged them a higher price it would've showed that his beliefs really meant nothing to him.
As it should be. All restaurants and establishments say, they have the right to refuse anyone service. That includes these people. Stop pushing gay crap down peoples throats. Love the way you want but don’t insist we have to accept it as normal.
