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This is the following up video where Adam from Sur-Ron Australia/NZ www.aebikes.co... and I are looking into some battery upgrade options for the Sur-Ron and also the LMX 161 Electric Lightweight dirt bikes.
We can definitely increase the range by +/-20-25% but we are actually hungry for more POWEEEEEERR.
Changing the cell holders so we can fit more cells inside the same space and there is a possibility of using as many small Lipo packs inside the original case.
Lipo batteries would be a must for extreme high power motor controllers.
The LMX 161 is temporary fitted with Lipo as we finish building the two 8s 10p bricks you see in this photo, they’ll go in series 16s configuration or 60v (67.2v max). LiPo = higher discharge, lighter but also more unstable and dangerous.
18650 = can be fun, you just need to add more cells, a bit more labour involved building the pack.
All packs using Sony VTC6 cells (high discharge and high capacity)
The long pack is for a GasGas kids dirt bike that has been upgraded with LMX motor and controller for more POWEEERRR so Adam’s kid can keep up with him on the track haha
So much POWEEEEEEEEERRRR ohhh yeeeaaahhh!!!!

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@xJayteee
@xJayteee 5 лет назад
For the surron , why choose panasonic PF cells ? Their only 2900mah . With that configuration you only get 60v 31.9ah and 110amps of discharge . If you chose the LG MJ1 cells , it is still 10amp per cell but you get 3500mah per cell instead , total to 38.5ah with also 110amps of discharge. And also , why would you put a 200amp BMS when the peak cell discharge is only 110amps?
@Danboi.
@Danboi. 2 года назад
Why don't they use samsung 21700's? .. the 30 or 40T's?
@hippie-io7225
@hippie-io7225 5 лет назад
Bruno, would you list the sources of some of the devices you show on your channel? It would be nice to know where we can get that BMS module!
@sonny9546
@sonny9546 5 лет назад
what will the new 21700 cells give in sur-ron? more autonomy?
@BrunoPOWEEER
@BrunoPOWEEER 5 лет назад
Hummm... Theoretically you should be able to fit more capacity/energy (autonomy/range) in the same space but so far lots of people/companies studied the transition and gains moving from 18650 to 21700 and decided to stick to 18650... it may take another year (maybe a bit longer) to start to see 21700 gaining more attention... 18650 is a very mature design and changes take time. Also the 21700 cells available nowadays aren’t shockingly amazing yet ru.nkon.nl/rechargeable/21700-20700-size/brand/panasonic-samsung-sanyo.html I’m not too sure if and how two sandwiched 21700 would fit inside the Sur-Ron battery case, it’s a tight fit for the 18650. It may be possible =]
@hometownguy7184
@hometownguy7184 3 года назад
Hey bruno..I need a stock surron battery repaired..do you guys do that?
@BrunoPOWEEER
@BrunoPOWEEER 3 года назад
You can buy the AntBMS there is a smaller size that fits inside the battery case, are u running Surron controller or ASI bypassed BMS? Are u in Australia?
@eghoist009
@eghoist009 3 года назад
SUR-RON battery 60v/60Ah: i-surron.ru/catalog/tyuning-sur-ron/akkumulyatornaya-batareya-sur-ron-60v-60ah/
@AnthondeVries
@AnthondeVries 5 лет назад
i am using 2 10ah 6s in 2 series for 2.5 years now, multistar batteeries, i only charge them to 4.1v and the bike is 350w. charging them 2 times a week
@FRAYERTV
@FRAYERTV 4 года назад
hi mate! can i ask you something! where you can find those cells? where did you bought them.? thanx for your time bruno
@BrunoPOWEEER
@BrunoPOWEEER 4 года назад
Yeaaahhh mate... these cells we got from eu.nkon.nl/sony-us18650vtc6.html They are based in Europe and have better prices than China... all the biggest builders buy from them... sooo much POWEEEEEEEERRR ohhh yeaahh =]
@AnthondeVries
@AnthondeVries 5 лет назад
also remember that 18650 lowest voltage is different then lipo lowest voltage so not every bms is good for both
@BrunoPOWEEER
@BrunoPOWEEER 5 лет назад
Anthon de Vries yeaahhh... lots of people reading here I’m glad you mentioned the difference in voltages =] Lipo I would be adding a Cycle Analyst and would be monitoring the voltage, the sag, capacity etc... I’m a bit of a geek always monitoring these numbers closely hahaha..
@AnthondeVries
@AnthondeVries 5 лет назад
@@BrunoPOWEEER same here
@cyumadbrosummit3534
@cyumadbrosummit3534 4 года назад
If you are hitting LVC for BMS with either then you didn't use the correct 18650 cell for the controller or dont have enough P groups. Extreme sag is for people with poorly designed packs.
@MarkNorman_NXTLVL
@MarkNorman_NXTLVL 5 лет назад
New side brand Sur Ron POWWAAAA - all the POWAA but no warranty MANNN lol lets go!
@BrunoPOWEEER
@BrunoPOWEEER 5 лет назад
Mark Norman hahahahahaha yeah we can squeeze more POWEEEEERR but.... ops... sorry no warranty hahahahaaaa
@mainiero50
@mainiero50 5 лет назад
I just upgraded my surron to 100v with lipo's
@BrunoPOWEEER
@BrunoPOWEEER 5 лет назад
Woooooowww... 100v + Lipos!!! Hahaaaa INSANE... what controller are u using?? Send me some links here showing that monster hahaaaaa ohhhh yeaaahhh
@mainiero50
@mainiero50 5 лет назад
@@BrunoPOWEEER Kelly
@xboxice2005
@xboxice2005 4 года назад
@@mainiero50 Give us some more details bro :)
@hometownguy7184
@hometownguy7184 3 года назад
Can I buy that bms shown in the video??
@BrunoPOWEEER
@BrunoPOWEEER 3 года назад
You can buy the AntBMS there is a smaller size that fits inside the battery case, are u running Surron controller or ASI bypassed BMS? Are u in Australia?
@hometownguy7184
@hometownguy7184 3 года назад
@@BrunoPOWEEER ..im running a asi controller from you guys!love it!,i have a stock battery that stopped allowing discharge after 4 charges.i opened the battery and found that across the cells i have 66 volts,but at the plugs only 44 volts.a link to a bms would be greatly appreciated!
@TheMadMachine12
@TheMadMachine12 2 года назад
Did u make that spot welder if so can I have the parts you used?
@ki7a5
@ki7a5 5 лет назад
First to feel this poweérrrrrrrr
@BrunoPOWEEER
@BrunoPOWEEER 5 лет назад
Carlos Chaves hahahaha literally I just posted and you left this comment within a second hahahaha
@prollymakingyoumadsorry4381
@prollymakingyoumadsorry4381 5 лет назад
Where can I get those offset holders?
@BrunoPOWEEER
@BrunoPOWEEER 5 лет назад
Prollymakingyoumad Sorry good question... it’s an engineer in an Eastern European country who makes it and doesn’t have website or email address you need to contact him via Forum and I think there’s a minimum order... possible to buy but not the easiest task... endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=92223
@electric_rider2044
@electric_rider2044 4 года назад
Hey bud! I hope you see my comment, just a quick question, i have a a123 22650 40 volts pack 12S4P configuration, and i have a 6S charger, can i use it to charge partially? I mean first is 6s then after im gonna charge from +6s to 12s.. will it work? I mean i have to divide the charging please let me kno thank you...
@bcn1970
@bcn1970 5 лет назад
Menudo taller y vaya currada, tengo varios preguntas, para soldar va bien ese tipo te soldador de punto? Sale a cuenta en vez de la otra máquina que utizas que va también pedal sukko 709A? Porque no utilizáis las celdas 18650 Samsung 3500mA 35A? Gracias y sigue así con los vídeos 👏👏👏
@bybrokentdreams69
@bybrokentdreams69 5 лет назад
Bcn mot crack ! Eso es lo que voy hacer yo 😂😍
@5006lobezno
@5006lobezno 3 года назад
Para soldar bien eso no.vale
@mshock9637
@mshock9637 5 лет назад
OOWAAAHHHHHH! i fuckin love this guy.
@Danboi.
@Danboi. 2 года назад
Why not use Samsung 21700's?
@matthieureims51
@matthieureims51 5 лет назад
Hey Bruno, what do you suggest to build a 14s5p battery pack, between Panasonic 18650PF and Sanyo 18650GA ? Why do you always use 18650PF ? What do you think about 18650VTC6 ?This is to use with BBSHD and stock controler....
@topcat8820
@topcat8820 3 года назад
Hey Bruno , hope you’re well . Iv recently bought a Surron 60v . The battery labels say 48v . Iv ran a multimeter on it and it comes up as 64.7v is this correct for a 60v or have I got a 48v battery ? Thanks in advance Adam -Uk 🤘🏼
@fatguyonalittlebike3336
@fatguyonalittlebike3336 3 года назад
I would love to do this…. Use the stock battery case n bms lcd n everything so it’s clean… my stock battery is already going downhill
@thomasjaszewski64
@thomasjaszewski64 5 лет назад
Another fun video!
@berkandincay
@berkandincay 5 лет назад
Huge Fan :)) Getting pumped to build my first pack, 17s10p for a small electric scooter. However, still couldnt figure out how can a 17S BMS can connect to 10P of 17S is a question. Should i buy 10 BMS and connect them to a Master BMS, or there is a trick to do it simpler way. OR Parallel Connected batteries can controlled together with one channel of BMS, doesnt seem perfect :)...
@ehfilms4149
@ehfilms4149 4 года назад
How many big is this battery 72v at what a
@MrJonathanCervera
@MrJonathanCervera 5 лет назад
I've been watching your channel for a few years now. I wish I knew as much as you did about this stuff. It brings me happiness when I see how passionate you are about your work. Where would I even begin to learn as much as you?
@limmoblack
@limmoblack 5 лет назад
If Bruno could 'bottle' his enthusiasm he'd be a billionaire
@keokio7
@keokio7 2 года назад
18650 batteries have a longer life span compared to lipos as well. 500+ cycles, 1000+ if you take care of them
@Etrueyeei
@Etrueyeei 5 лет назад
someone help me please: i'm converting an hoverboard to a golf manual cart, to motorize it. i bought the controllers and the throttle, but cannot understand how to charge the hoverboard battery li ion pack. it has 2 wires black and red. but the connector of the charger has 3 one more for the temp. so i don't know how to charge the battery pack once i teared down the hoverboard with all its circuit board and sensor board. is there a charger for li ion battery? o i need to re-use the circuitry of the hoverboard? thanks in advance please help i'm stuck here
@bryjb10
@bryjb10 5 лет назад
ASI 8000 is massive overkill for the Sur Ron.
@BrunoPOWEEER
@BrunoPOWEEER 5 лет назад
Yeahhh this is why we’ve got s few here hahahaha so much POWEEER
@BrunoPOWEEER
@BrunoPOWEEER 5 лет назад
F15Ranger I have never died before so I don’t know what to expect hahahahaa
@bryjb10
@bryjb10 5 лет назад
BrunoPOWEEER I work with Luna Cycle. Half of those who attempted to ride the 8000 ASI bike ended up with a broken bone
@BrunoPOWEEER
@BrunoPOWEEER 5 лет назад
F15Ranger i have a secret weapon friend who can ride and break his bones pretending to be me on video hahahaaa he’s a pro rider 2 stroke 300cc KTM guy another insane weapon
@bryjb10
@bryjb10 5 лет назад
@@BrunoPOWEEER Pro Riders are required. Love the videos.. if you make it to Los Angles or Seattle let me know. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RSNBxUrFdCI.html We are huge fans !
@Nici619
@Nici619 5 лет назад
powwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
@BrunoPOWEEER
@BrunoPOWEEER 5 лет назад
Nici619 so much POWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR hahahaaaa
@MelkiSilvas
@MelkiSilvas 5 лет назад
I feel the power from here in Brazil!!!! YEAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!😄
@0141star
@0141star 5 лет назад
It was watching this guy on the lmx on 72v 60a and loving it that made me want one and get into ebikes I'm loving it now after months of learning and still am I think brunos work is absolutely outstanding
@BrunoPOWEEER
@BrunoPOWEEER 5 лет назад
allan reid hahaaaaa thaaaaanks mate!!! My first LMX was back in 2015/2016 I think, the steel frame version before the aluminium LMX 161. I have lots of LMX videos and I spent a lot of time with Adam and Lucas the two LMX creators, riders and fabricators, check out an interview I made with Lucas in my old videos... so much POWEEEEERRRRRR
@0141star
@0141star 5 лет назад
@@BrunoPOWEEER I've seen that lucas interview and a few others of your vids I'm running the p2.1 steel on 30ah 72 volt with an upgraded controller with the newer 005 motor with the 219 chain its smooth and dam fast the torque is unreal the 161 your building is incredible can't wait to see it finished keep u the excellent videos I've learnt a lot
@luongmaihunggia
@luongmaihunggia 5 лет назад
I want those cells holder, link?
@BrunoPOWEEER
@BrunoPOWEEER 5 лет назад
redstone craft guy yeahh its a bit hard to contact the guy who makes it, no website, no email, need to contact him via forum message and there’s a minimum order I think... could be s lot easier endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=92223
@solofrnndz1402
@solofrnndz1402 5 лет назад
So much. ((((PPoooWWWeeeRR))):::>>>
@BrunoPOWEEER
@BrunoPOWEEER 5 лет назад
So.... much..... POOOOOWWWWWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRR hahaaaa
@Alpakki
@Alpakki 4 года назад
So what was the kWh of the battery? Was it much bigger than the 1.9kWh on the bike now? I would need 4 :D
@L3thal69
@L3thal69 4 года назад
Where can i get mj1 cells from australia? Is aliexpress good?
@BrunoPOWEEER
@BrunoPOWEEER 4 года назад
Ohh it used to be impossible back in the days when I started making videos but now they’re everywhere, look up on eBay there are lots of Australian sellers, I wouldn’t buy from China or AliExpress because China is completely closed for business until this Corona virus clears out. I have some orders places in end of January that haven’t even left China, imagine the backlog when they come back. This seller Pires is a good guy I know him for years rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com.au%2Fulk%2Fitm%2F322725348514
@L3thal69
@L3thal69 4 года назад
@@BrunoPOWEEER i saw that but it is too expensive i found this website it cells samsung 35e for 5 or 6 bucks it is called ru.nkon.nl is it good?
@L3thal69
@L3thal69 4 года назад
yea i have lots of stuff from china and its being held
@flaviocosta5767
@flaviocosta5767 5 лет назад
Olá Bruno,Flavio aqui do Brasil..... Bateria lipo puro vevneno!!! So much POWER!!!
@BrunoPOWEEER
@BrunoPOWEEER 5 лет назад
Flavio Costa opaaaaa Flavio... mano as Lipos são um veneno... perigosas mas putz é foda resistir... muito mais corrente numa bateria super pequenininha e leve... tem aplicações que tem que ser LIPO tipo meu trike de 42kw, 840A teria que ter uns 28kg se fosse 18650 cells... Lipo POWEEEEERRRRRRR
@MelkiSilvas
@MelkiSilvas 5 лет назад
Flávio yeeaahhhh!!!! Eu também tenho medo das lipo😅
@flaviocosta5767
@flaviocosta5767 5 лет назад
@@BrunoPOWEEER é verdade,muito legal,sou apaixonado por seu trike monstruoso!!!!
@SuperMaiki76
@SuperMaiki76 3 года назад
For the Sur ron. Would .2 nickel work well enough for the build or should they be like 2 times the amount?
@Co-Cie_to_obchodzi_24
@Co-Cie_to_obchodzi_24 5 лет назад
I got that panasonic batterys in my ebike, 13s5p for small distance in hailong case, and 13s9p sanyo ga for long distance travels. So much poweeer man!
@Nospeed_nofun
@Nospeed_nofun 5 лет назад
Ahhahahahahahahahah ) we make 20s16p for surron ) and 18s1p with zero elements ) 25000w ) fastest in the world right now )
@Nospeed_nofun
@Nospeed_nofun 5 лет назад
Just look my page )
@electricadventureclub2001
@electricadventureclub2001 5 лет назад
So I need one for both my bikes! Nice video guys! ☁︎blkcldUSA
@hhead56
@hhead56 5 лет назад
Lots of power
@BrunoPOWEEER
@BrunoPOWEEER 5 лет назад
hhead56 hahaaaaaa so much POWEEER ohhhh yeaaahhh
@andycapo9you
@andycapo9you 5 лет назад
You also get less charge/discharge cycles from a lipo than 18650
@daza3620
@daza3620 5 лет назад
So much POWEER!
@BrunoPOWEEER
@BrunoPOWEEER 5 лет назад
Daz A hahaaaaaa so much POWEEEEEERR ohh yeaahh!!!
@nunoferreira4804
@nunoferreira4804 3 года назад
😉👍
@diploma277
@diploma277 2 года назад
ㅈㄴ 조악하네
@TheWebstaff
@TheWebstaff 5 лет назад
Very nice.
@BrunoPOWEEER
@BrunoPOWEEER 5 лет назад
Dave Webster fun toys hahaaaaa ohhhh yeaaaahh =]
@0141star
@0141star 5 лет назад
I've been waiting on this video great work on those excellent bikes
@mattrenegar476
@mattrenegar476 5 лет назад
Siiiiiiick. Man I can't wait to see those amps flow @_@
@adslammer1359
@adslammer1359 5 лет назад
Hah, just came from the previous video!
@Arcamedi1
@Arcamedi1 5 лет назад
Where did you get those off set cell holders
@lightning_dynamics
@lightning_dynamics 5 лет назад
hahaha this is fucking e power heaven
@ridingdirty2412
@ridingdirty2412 5 лет назад
more dude. more
@EvNerds
@EvNerds 5 лет назад
Yeah SUR-RON !!!! Goooo Poweeer!
@abyssa
@abyssa 5 лет назад
POOOOOOWWWWEEEEERRR!!
@Buffetology
@Buffetology 4 года назад
Hey where can I get the extra Surron battery cases ? I would love to try this on the Surron! More Powwwaaaaa!
@BrunoPOWEEER
@BrunoPOWEEER 4 года назад
Heeeeeey mate, Adam the guy in this video (www.surronaustralia.com.au) I think he found a supplier who sells the aluminium extrusion but not too sure about the plastic top and bottom ends. Send them an email asking and see how it goes. Also google some Surron forums/groups like Endless Sphere, drop a public question, someone will know where you can get it. In the worst case, find a local metal fabricator and ask them to bend you an aluminium box and fit some thin fibreglass sheets between the pack and the case to insulate. Soooo much POWEEEEEEEERRR ohhh yeaahh =]
@dimamanzano
@dimamanzano 5 лет назад
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@BrunoPOWEEER
@BrunoPOWEEER 5 лет назад
Dmitry Manzano hahahaha literally I just posted and you left this comment within a second hahahaha
@dimamanzano
@dimamanzano 5 лет назад
@@BrunoPOWEEER You doing a great job. I've rode with my bbshd 11500 km, best motor ever.
@beathabegger8176
@beathabegger8176 5 лет назад
Nice job bruno I need a battery with more capacity. Where i can buy one and a x controller for my sur ron? Kind regards from switzerland Beat
@ernstgrunder3106
@ernstgrunder3106 5 лет назад
Salut Bruno us welem Kanton chunnsch du, i säuber bi ir nöchi vo bärn u ha o ä sur ron kouft u hane hie zbärn prüeft aus kleinmotorrad, macht megaspass, gruess aschi
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