Thanks for not stating how much and where you purchased, it was really intelligent of you to make the effort not to include this. Please come again soon, RU-vid benefits greatly from useful contributors like you.
Just ordered the surface pro 8 with top specs 1 tb SSD i7 32 gb ram for the same price as the reviewed surface pro 9 in this video. Definitely felt good making that purchase.
@@theonlyansa Just went through those offers on amazon. There are so many misleading offers check the specs most of them don't match. Descriptions, specs or even pictures with specs on the box. If you can provide the one you bought I would appreciate it.
Amazon is pretty bad ...I flagged and reported the misleading info days ago...but Amazon is not doing anything about it....I can't believe it...very disappointing for users who do not pay attention.
This is what the ipad pro is supposed to be. Nowadays, all hardwares are pretty powerful, so debating who's cpu is 10% faster is pointless (especially for tablet thermals). The software/os is what is going to limit what work you can get done.
True. I have a 12" IPP gathering dust, its an amazing device but IOS is so limiting. Every time I try to do any work on the iPad I have to jump through so many hoops to get anything done that I give up and grab a laptop
@@MashITTech: Completely agree. My iPad Air 2 with all the OS and app upgrades requires much more power, it is slow; cannot receive their latest iPad OS, and the like. Although their new iPad is quite powerful, I am as you are jumping through too many hoops which at times is mentally exhausting; I am over it. Thus, my reason for a proper portable Windows device, the Surface line very much appeals to me. Previously an eleven-year iPhone only user, now my EDC is a Samsung Note 20.
I always used to have a phone, tablet, and a laptop. Since I don't game the tablet was always a content watching device. While Surface devices have always been expensive in my case mine replaced both a traditional clamshell laptop and a tablet. It's a great device to have around the house because it's a full pc for paying bills or writing docs and just enough of a tablet for casual use.
@@MashITTech I have a Go3 with an i3. Surprisingly it stumbles here and there but has enough power for a home PC. I prefer the smaller size over the Pro. I used to have a Pro 7
No headphone jack = no deal. Getting rid of these jacks in phones is stupid, but somewhat understandable (extreme space constraints). This is inexcusable on a laptop, or even a tablet IMHO.
Not happy with the choice but most casual consumers will just use Bluetooth headphones. I myself own the 9 and use surface headphones 2 with it. I pretty much forget that it doesn't have a jack.
hey, great review as usual! I fully agree with most commenters here. at this point, Microsoft is trolling us with such an expensive device with 8GB of RAM for the base model, not to mention all the downgrades (no headphone jack, no SD card slot, etc.) I have a Surface 7+ which I love dearly and carry around with me everywhere, but this one is a hard pass. appreciate the honest review.
@@MashITTech I didn't mention the USBA port on my previous comment fearing it would look old-fashioned, but it seems I'm not the only one who cares about that ;-)
@@williamcopeland2617 my man, if you're into audio production that headphone jack is still a big deal. I'm personally not aware of any bluetooth headphone model which can properly handle very low latency audio streams... I don't think we are quite there yet. and for a device with a very limited amount of ports, using a dongle won't cut it either. I agree that we need to move on, but removing both the audio jack and the SD card slot is not really an improvement to this device, IMHO.
Will you share the background used during your sponsor schpeal? The neon light arrows against the black is beautiful! Great video, thanks for going through all of the specs and sharing your thoughts!
The REAL upgrade of the Surface Pro 9 is the Arm 5G version. Have been waiting 2 years for an upgrade of the Surface Pro X SQ1 model, so this is the one I'm jumping onto. I'm not waiting 2 more years for Qualcom's Nubia based Arm chip for Windows in 2024.
Hey ! What a quality video you did ! Can you do a review on what gaming laptop is the coolest ? cuz I think that if we take care a maximum our laptop the most important requirement of his longevity /durability is his thermals system. It will helps people (and me) to choose the best gaming laptop
5/10. These 12 gen U cpus are utter garbage. they have only 2P cores. if this had a Ryzen 6800U its cpu performance would be much. its GPU would give you 4x-6x better performance in games. and the battery life would also be better. Id give it 8.5/10 with AMD
Totally agree with you both! The t14 I just reviewed with the ryzen has more than double the gfx power, more cpu power yet more battery life! What hold has intel got over these companies that they can’t use Ryzen?
@@MashITTech to my knowledge intel does pressure big OEMs like lenovo, ms & dell to only use their chips only on premium chassis like xps,latitude, surface pro . they would give them deep discounts and also help in the development of products. in the past they were caught bribing Dell.
@@MashITTechunlike Intel, AMD is not making such designs and investing in it. And they can't provide CPUs in a timely manner and quantity after they are announced
I am a bit skeptical toward gen11 vs gen12 comparison. On one side on the paper you have only 2 high performance cores SP9 vs 4 normal ones in SP8, but are those low performance cores truly slower than older gen? Keep in mind that there is a boost from RAM frequency as well. It may still easily be on the similar level. However, present benchmarks look incomplete and therefore inconclusive. Thinking at the moment if I go with 8 with i7 or 9 with i5. I hope we get good comparison soon...
Excellent timely review. Thanks! The surface is getting heavier for hand held tablet use at nearly 2 lbs. They will have to do better with weight. Else just get a real laptop some of which are quite light.
Old laptops are crusty ideas of what was---Surface Pro's have earned respect for innovation and the USA Department of Defense have made these universal in the field. I work for an airline and see what thousands of customers use everyday. We use these exclusively as the Lenovos have been banned for several years now due to Chinese Tech Threat to the world.
I agree and unfortunately that iconic kickstand add to the weight and thickeness, making it harder to use as a tablet. Apple, Samsung, and Dell are all opting for no kickstand but it'll be hard for Microsoft to come around b/c SP fans are fanatical about that kickstand lol
Why didn't you say if batter saver was turned on or off? I get over 12 hours on my SP8 (40% brightness, battery saver on, RU-vid running on wifi continuously). Also, the single-core CPU performance, which is used for basic office work, is the same on the SP8 and SP9. So the upgraded CPU won't make a difference for most people.
Graphics not being upgraded is sad, they are years behind apple and the ipad pro with this. Drawing apps like fresco lag and are slow with these slow iris graphics
Great review Mash IT guys, really enjoyed your content and subscribed. 👍🏾 My thoughts as someone that would like a productivity machine but is not blessed with tons of money. This is really frustrating as I like how productive I can be on windows but prefer the speed and stability Apple products bring. I would really like a Surface but there’s always a catch (price vs performance). So at the moment an ipad is faster editing photos and videos and windows better for data analysis. Sooooo frustrating :-(. Maybe a deal on the Pro 8 is the answer!
Thank you. I think you should certainly look for a deal on a surface pro 8, it is almost as fast as the 9 and there are some great deals going. One thing is I have found the surface pro to be very stable for a windows machine and on par with a MacBook (I use both daily for work) I will soon be doing a surface pro 9 bs surface pro 8 and I think you will be surprised with just how good the 8 was 👍
@@MashITTech thank you and thanks again for the content it really is top stuff and appreciated. Ps there is a £700 deal for a pro 8 with keyboard at curry’s but…. It’s 8Gb of ram! So unfortunate. All the best.
Hi there Mash Team, mad respect from India, here the i5 and the i7 models are separated by a whopping premium of $500, although I am not a very power hungry user, or a content creator, just a researcher....still when I do research, I can have in excess of 20 tabs open and a few excel, word and Pdfs open... I have an Xbox and hence gaming is not a need at all with this device....I still rock a MacBook Pro i5 8th Gen with Touch Bar, which seems to be failing on me anytime soon, it has gotten sluggish especially after the latest Ventura Update, I am done with Macs and I always wanted a surface for the longest time I remember.....although getting an M1 or an M2 makes a lot of sense, I am asking you honestly, If I were to switch to a Surface, would this be a good year to do so...? I am eyeing the i5 12th intel model with the keyboard and pen that costs roughly $1800....Please Advise!
Hey, I had the option between this or an I pad pro 11 m2, with pen and Magic Keyboard. Both are around 1500€ with keyboard and pen. I use ist for work. Make pictures and documentation the project. Wrote bills and calculate offers. Was it a good decision?
Great review. Tbh, I don't get the device at all. Aside from CPU power, throttling and stuff, it has to get the very basics right. This thing is a gadget for people demanding high mobility. In 2022, that means having access to the Internet at all times because without it, it's just a dumb, expensive brick. At this point, they're really just trolling us. I wouldn't be surprised if they omitted onboard Wi-Fi next time around because hey, you could just use a dongle like back in the early 90s. It goes without saying that LTE/5G shouldn't even be an _option_ for this type of device, it should be _included_ just like it is on a smartphone. Especially at that price point. And talking about price, this is also what's holding M$ back and not doing anybody any favors. Their Surface line is so vastly overpriced, that it doesn't move too many units. Just look at the nickle and diming essential accessories like keyboard and pen or the price of their Surface Studio, a slightly improved iMac with mediocre 11th gen hardware at a breathtaking $5.5k. And that lack in sales hinders their ability to improve their products. They keep skipping processor generations, sell the same design over and over, etc. making it ever less desirable as time goes on. I don't even care to count the years the SurfaceBook had the same design. All they had to do was make proper devices that stand out a bit, priced maybe 10-15% above the competition as to not upset their OEMs. But for whatever reason, Sadella thought he could just turn M$ hardware into the next Apple without having all their ducks in a row. Not happening. I myself owned the SurfaceBook 1, which had tremendous firmware problems for months but otherwise at least a decent screen, mouse pad, keyboard and battery life and the Surface Pro 3, which was plagued with even worse firmware problems, having me regularly turn up at appointments with clients where I needed it with a piping hot, almost molten slab of metal and the battery at 0%. EDIT: The panel who decided on the size of the mouse pad should be sentenced to a Surface Pro as their only device for no less than 30 years without the possibility of parole.
😂 totally agree with everything! I think they are trying to out "Apple" apple with the pricing! the surface pro makes the new MacBook Air look cheap 🤣 I just wish someone else would make a windows premium line like the surface! Dell is close with the XPS but their pricing is becoming insane and then you get the bugs and poor QC of Dell to contend with
@@MashITTech I know, right? Love the form factor, but come on, somebody please give us something to work with. While I prefer the Dell's design with even frame thickness around the screen, the rest, including the price, is hot garbage. Looks like I'll have to make do with the X1 Yoga for a little longer. Too bad its screen turns black when you rip off the keyboard. 😋
Have you looked at the asus rog z13? It’s like a surface pro on steroids, it’s much thicker but has i9 12900h and 3050ti! Battery sucks but I can forgive that for the insane performance. I have only had mine a few days but hope to get a review out later next week 😀
@@MashITTech Holy mittens, that's quite a monster! Too bad they had to make it look like a spaceship, so you can't show up with it to a meeting without looking like a 5-year-old. 😐 You know, I'd actually love to have a tablet with 5G and a power-saving Ryzen CPU with decent battery life that doesn't cost a firstborn plus a kidney for the keyboard. Seems just too much to ask for. 🙈
Haha you are not wrong about the look but man I am loving the power, it’s not even overly loud! Just played a couple of rounds of apex on it and it was amazing playing it on a 2in1 at over 100fps on a 120hz screen!
Wow, they are expensive but a lovely bit of kit. I am still using my 8 as the 9 wasn’t a big enough upgrade to justify the upgrade but I was tempted just for the sapphire colour 😂
can someone confirm battery life of SP9 , particularly vs the Dell XPS 13 2-in1? The video mention SP9 is worse but I'm seeing conflicting info elsewhere
Just took a look and wow, that's massive difference to me! I notice he is running at a lower brightness. I am going to recreate his settings tomorrow and leave it running
haha I am old school! I love corded headphones and the ability to plug speakers in. I do have bluetooth headphones but still mostly use corded! But there is plenty of space for the port, its not like the shrunk the chassis, they have taken it away for the sake of taking it away!
@@MashITTech In Canada, starts at $1280 with 8/128 and $349 for KB +Pen. Wish 16GB and 256 is the starting price and KB combo is under 200 max.. i love surface devices and user Pro 5 daily. It works for my needs and i may upgrade this yr. or next, aka Pro 10. Great review, btw. Glad you mentioned kickstand and this is such a great single feature of surface pro devices. Im hoping that next yr. MS can upgrade surface GO3 with redesign and better cpu, maybe new ARM chip. For productivity stuff, Office365 type and tablet usage, it will be a nice portable device. Total price does make MBA M2 cheap in comparison and it is also a good device🙂
@@nsns1996 yeah the prices are crazy, but I usually managed to get a good deal on one sooner or later. Got my pro 8 16gb for an incredible price with type cover included
Yeah its crazy, this years 6800h is incredible and the T14 I just reviewed blows this away for performance, graphics and battery! Microsoft even removed the AMD version from the Surface laptop, such a shame :(
They lost me at the headphone mic in webcam in line out latency free Jack like apple did with iphones and tablets and no ssd upgrades on any of their laptops. Is the micro SD card still there? Edit someone said no. Microsoft needs to install 2 SSD slots and to memory slots upgradeable, bring back the micro or full size SD card slot and an upgraded line headphone ne out mic in Jack with better dac and amp and digital out. Capable of at least 24/192 uncompressed hi res music files and include tidal trials, for Bluetooth add aptxhd variable and low latency and Sony's ldac wireless Bluetooth hires codec. And digital optical out like older laptops. Let audio have a top spot for in this system and advertise it. And add 2 small tweeters driver and mini sub speaker as wel. Technology has improved so much this can be done very cheaply maybe adding $10 or less to the cost and giving the surface best in class wired and wireless audio.
Oh god, if they lost you at the head phones you don't want me to tell you they dropped the SD card from the Surface Pro 8 onwards :( They give with one hand and take away with the other!
@@MashITTech well I must congratulate the SSD upgrades, fot security when you sell your laptop, and when they fail over time, or get full, you will not need a new machine, just a new SSD, otherwise you will always be connected to an external one by wire it throw away the machine. The Costco 16 gb deal is great now. But yeah they better put the headphone jack back on next refresh in a tmyear it so, they obviously did not survey these to consumers before releasing them. Remember the aux headphone jack is multipurpose it is also a mic in and a full quality line out, as well, and great for no latency games, etc. Don't get me wrong I love Bluetooth as well, even those non repairable headphones that go to the dump when the battery eventually dies made by green apple and Microsoft. and they will fell. It's a profit thing to sell the wireless headphones by banning the wired. It is how they got so many vaccinated, you ban the unvaccinated. .and how they will sell electric cars, by banning the gas ones. Not because people want it, but to push an agenda and profits and save a little production costs
So true. Intel also really need to work harder on both power efficiency and integrated graphics, both are sorely lacking compared to both amd and apple silicon
I can't believe it, it doesn't even come with a pen!!! I mean why not? It's already frickin' expensive, and the pen as well. What is this about? I am sorry, but this is an utter sh*t of a device. Can anyone even say anything nice about this? Except that it has a "brand" and probably lasts long maybe? It's too expensive for it's value, it doesn't come with a pen, keyboard, earphone jack etc. The only good thing about this that it can take good notes? Any other less expensive tabs can do the same... I wish Microsoft would listen to critics (or maybe consider common sense and what the buyers want)
8GB is low in 2022 and no argument there. But MS and others (most) start at 8GB so the base model can be discounted and be a cheaper starting point. This is good business sense otherwise if the base was 16GB everyone would buy that model and if sold at the same price then MS and others would lose their margins. However, Windows and macOS are now excellent with RAM management and the majority of business users that buy the Surface Pro will be fine with 8GB. If you are doing more, then upgrade to 16GB, but let us be honest, why would you need more for the SP9, as it is not really for gaming, creators or prosumers (no dGPU). The 128GB base is a bit thin, and bearing in mind Apple got trashed for a sensible 256GB base, then MS should get much more flack than they are getting. Sadly, the dominance of Windows means that very few will complain, and I have seen YT videos where the influencer decried 256GB on MB Air, but barely touched on the 128GB MS offerings!
I get where you are coming from and partially agree but as ram is so cheap at the moment would it kill them to either offer 16gb base or at least make the upgrade sensible? The 16gb upgrade price is criminal. And with regards to ssd, I would moan about 128gb but I don’t think 256gb is a problem for max or windows, a lot of people keep very little on the device these days. I just picked up a m2 MacBook Air with 256gb and I k ow I won’t fill it. I guess at least with the surface you can upgrade the ssd if 128/256 is t enough
@@MashITTech I agree, the £200 extra for 16GB is a bit rich, but that is where they make their margins, and after all, MS and Apple are in it for the money, being stock market listed, they are there for the shareholders, not consumers! I get why they do it and although I do not like it, it does mean the base model is lower and often discounted, which means that these great devices can reach consumers with lower disposable income. I am pretty sure that if they started at 16GB they would just add £150 to the price and that would take lots of consumers out of the equation. A MB Air starting at £1250 with 16GB of RAM would kill their MB Pro 14 sales!!!
If they haven't even gotten fully rid of 4gb of ram, you can forget about 8GB of ram going anywhere anytime soon. 8GB is fine for a secondary device or simpler needs
