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Surly Krampus Review and 29plus Philosophy

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Join us as we discuss the 29+ Surly Krampus. As more riders explore the 29+ platform, many will wonder how a midfat bike would be utilized differently than the bikes already available in their stable. We will not only explore how the Krampus and other 29+ bikes differ from those we have ridden in the past, but also what various mountain bikes out there have in common with the 29plus platform. Full suspension 27.5+ bikes like the Rocky Mountain Sherpa and other midfat, plus-sized bikes used in the bikepacking application are discussed here as well.
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@buckeyebunnyhunter 8 лет назад

Thanks for the review. I did the same thing watching and reading everything i could about the krampus.I own a GT,Giant and a Surly pugsly and been wanting a 29er, I watched your video yesterday then went to my bike shop in Cincinnati and ordered the Krampus. Should be riding it Friday. Thanks again great vid and review.

@RideAlongside 8 лет назад

Awesome. Glad we could help. Enjoy your new Krampus!

@benjaminhorn970 8 лет назад

Which Cinci bike shop?

@buckeyebunnyhunter 8 лет назад

Benjamin Horn Bikes and more on glenway in weastern hills. Great store. Ron is the owner and great bike mechanic.

@ChrisHouseHobby 2 месяца назад

I have had many surly bikes, and the original moonlit Krampus is just the tops! Great bike and super fun

@larrybasinskl2752 8 лет назад

ZZ top rides bikes?

@StandingNomad 8 лет назад

With 29+ I would personally keep it rigid rather than going for a front fork. Less weight, maintenance and cost. It also makes it really fluid to get out of the saddle and pedal without the front end going all plush on you, and the steering feel is very direct and fun with a rigid fork. Great bike it looks like, would love to try it.

@RideAlongside 7 лет назад

StandingNomad I agree with you to a point. It really depends on the location and duration of your rides however. If it is very technical/choppy over a longer period, a suspension fork may make it safer at the end of the day, preventing fatigue from settling in prematurely.

@dirtnastyish 7 лет назад

A steel frame with the cutout rims rides so nice, it is a joy to climb with. If your local shop has one you can demo, take it for a ride and you'll be sold.

@herc1120 9 лет назад

Great review! My Krampus is also set up tubeless. Correct, tubeless is the way to go with the big tires. Down the road I my run a 3" Dirt Wizard on the back as the Knards do not grip as well when the trails are damp. Forget suspension keep it simple. It is cool getting through terrain where guys on full suspension rigs can not get through it like I can on my Krampus. Surly said it is a "play bike" and I agree. The sparkly green powder coat is cool.

@RideAlongside 9 лет назад

herc1120 Thanks for the comment! Couldn't agree with you more, on all accounts. More videos will be coming shortly, one on a durability issue for a 29+ tire I have been testing, should be up soon. Thanks for watching!

@evolnivlek 9 лет назад

did split tube on my Fatboy a month or so ago and I love it. I can explain it, but the bike feels so much smoother and faster. I would love to try a krampus in the near future.

@RideAlongside 7 лет назад

kelvin lovelace Check this out. Its a way to setup Surly Rabbit Hole rims (or any others with the cutouts, like fanboy rims) as tubeless with gorilla tape. In the video, Weston explains the pros and cons of split tube vs gorilla tape methods. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-A0zTpbcjPAk.html

@blackpete389 8 лет назад

Thank you guys for a great review of a cool bike and quick response to my question.

@michaelkeating7993 4 года назад

Have the 2020 Surly Krampus Tangled Up in Blue. So far - so good. Would like to learn more about how to change the front ring to make it easier with climbs.

@bullred9498 7 лет назад

I cannot wait to get one of these in the spring

@dalevalentine9008 2 года назад

I went ridged on my El Mariachi. Love it.

@mikedamat Год назад

I've been looking for a rigid mountain bike for bikepacking and this bike looks to be it.

@dominicwalker9947 5 лет назад

Man, gotta love surly. They are realy doing it right. Savin for midnight special myself

@RideAlongside 5 лет назад

I still haven’t ridden a Midnight Special but would love to take it on an all day adventure on our Forest Service Dirt Roads here in Arizona.

@dominicwalker9947 5 лет назад

I'm in N.Ca so I can't wait to get it. Then train to climb to Tahoe. And stay awhile. Then decend back to Sac

@RideAlongside 5 лет назад

Sounds like an awesome ride you have planned! Enjoy it and report back when you can!

@dominicwalker9947 5 лет назад

For sure, though I have alot of training to do before that ride. I'm an out of shape 40 something new to road bikes. Keep up the great content

@RideAlongside 5 лет назад

Just ride lots! That always helps. On many levels. 😃👍

@WillowWayRanch 2 года назад

Making sure my sub sticks, commenting, thumbs up and watching!

@MissingLinkMTB 4 года назад

Just got home from a "meet the makers" event at my lbs with Surly. Couldn't hello but keep drooling over the Krampus. I like the rigid fork too. Now to go about selling a kidney.

@RideAlongside 4 года назад

It’s a fun ride, but no need to sell a kidney. You can save up for one pretty quick. 😃👍

@MissingLinkMTB 4 года назад

@@RideAlongside lol, yeah the price is very attractive!

@discoverydavid 8 лет назад

Having good air sprung forks with a bike like this opens up even more opportunities...I'm going for a Dragon Slayer with a Fox 34, on sale for 800 pounds (1000 USD) less because they clear bike stock at this time of the year in the UK. Psyched as F***!!!

@Cotictimmy 8 лет назад

Hey, I have a rigid El-Mariachi 1 x 10. Clearly I need to grow a bigger beard!

@gzank6 7 лет назад

this is what i'm totally afraid of... if I buy a bike like this I have to grow a huge beard!!!!!

@macacephalosaurus 7 лет назад

yes, it's a side effect of any steel bike purchase

@silkbomb669 7 лет назад

JUST THINK HOW MUCH CASH YOU WOULD SAVE . LOL

@jbirdperez6088 6 лет назад

George Zankich ..haha good one !

@brakejuice 6 лет назад

no , you have to have the beard before they will sell you the bike

@MrEdlgar 5 лет назад

Those beards are hilarious tho

@xophere 8 лет назад

This interview is OK but it is a pretty incomplete. The Krampus is an awesome bike. Tubeless is great but you end up running a lot more pressure to keep the tires from burping. There are really 2-3 classes of Krampus 29+ rider. Some are bike packers. Some XC riders. Some want to go jump and run fast flow trails. My Krampus is awesome but I have a sus fork, real brakes, 28 tooth chainring, platform pedals. The facebook group is the best place to get a good understanding of the 29+ platform. XC I ride 12-13PSI but down hill going fast I need to be up 14-15 and tubeless it was more like 16-18 to keep the tires on the bike. Which ruined the ride. Also the stock tire is pretty horrible in many use cases. Great for ECR kind riding but for predictable steering not so much.

@RideAlongside 8 лет назад

Great comment Chris. We will be shooting a followup video with Weston soon, discussing all the changes he has made to his and why. I am also a member of that FB group as well as the admin of the 27.5+/29+ FB group and both groups have invaluable information that gets shared everyday.

@LeonardCrassman 9 лет назад

29+ is the best thing since wheels.

@MASKINENBikes 8 лет назад

Very nice. Excellent show.

@bradrobison3765 Год назад

Thanks!

@RideAlongside Год назад

Thanks Brad! Much appreciated

@saiiglesia9494 7 лет назад

Mountain Men talking about Mountain Bikes. nice!

@guyhockeyguy 3 года назад

I feel the same, identical but with the ice cream truck. Same mods too.

@RideAlongside 3 года назад

I like ice cream. Probably too much. Thank goodness for neck beards hiding my double chins.

@VideoNOLA 5 лет назад

Someone please recreate this entire interview with bearded muppets.

@RideAlongside 5 лет назад

Working on it. 😃👍

@ronwhite8503 3 года назад

They are bearded Muppets.

@shawnlipetzky5501 9 лет назад

Thanks for the review. How wide are the handle bars? What are your thoughts on mechanical vs hydrolic brakes for bike packing? I recently built up an El Mariachi and I love it. I also had a full suspension race bike and wish i made the switch years ago.

@RideAlongside 9 лет назад

The bars are ridiculously wide. Weston snags them on stuff when the trail gets narrow.

@RideAlongside 9 лет назад

Mechanical disc brakes are a little better for durability when bikepacking as long as you bring a spare brake cable or two. It is a lot easier to change a cable than it is to bleed a brake in t he backcountry. That being said, hydraulic brakes have better power and modulation which can really help you control a heavier load that is attached to the bike. Either one could be justified depending on where you are going and what trails you will be riding.

@aflatfoot 4 года назад

What size tube are you using to do the spit tube conversion?

@silkbomb669 7 лет назад

YOU SAID YOU WERE A BIG GUY . HOW TALL ARE YOU & HOW MUCH DO YOU WEIGH . I'M 6'1 215 LBS. & I'M 60 YEARS OLD . I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHAT SIZE BIKE I SHOULD GET & HOW MUCH DOSE THAT BIKE COST. I WAS GOING TO BUY A FAT TIRE BIKE SOMETHING LOW END LIKE ABOUT 500 BUCKS JUST FOR FUN . I'M JUST STARTING OUT MTB HAVEN DONE IT IN YEARS WANT TO GET BACK IN TO IT BADLY ! THANKS FOR YOUR HELP .

@andrewmtbfreak 7 лет назад

cant wait for 29+ full suspension bikes to come out

@RideAlongside 7 лет назад

Andrew Stewart They've arrived. Salsa just unveiled the "Deadwood SUS" for 2018

@tinman1955 4 года назад

I'm considering the Trek Stache - 29+ aluminum hardtail with air forks. Ever try one of those?

@RideAlongside 4 года назад

Tin Man This one? 😃👍 Bike Check! 29+ Trek Stache ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-FiCFm97S8gg.html

@bartmullin8018 2 года назад

Avoid Trek/Specialized trap; only folks who know nothing or have done zero research but said pieces of crap and said companies demand that ones shop Only sell Treks or Specialized bike/components; not cool..! Get the Krampus or Karate Monkey and you'll be totally stoked (!).

@grappolidipalma 7 лет назад

Beard Brothers?!

@figaro0127 9 лет назад

Would this be good Tour Divide.

@rasmusriemann6557 8 лет назад

+Charles Phelps yes one Danish dude used it already with a carbon fork..

@caedenchapman5373 5 лет назад

Cost?

@JohannesTraining 4 года назад

Great review, do you think the XL Version of the frame would fit me (6ft7, 120 kg)?

@jaffersbailey8393 4 года назад

great bike for us big guys. I am 6'5", 122 kg. I have been riding for about a year. Now I am down to 115 kg. I do about 150 miles per week. This bike is very comfortable.

@JohannesTraining 4 года назад

@@jaffersbailey8393 Thanks alot for your reply.

@Cloxxki 3 года назад

I claim having invented 29+ and laid it out to the Surly crew in person and email 2003-2004. Who remembers me? LOL

@RideAlongside 2 года назад

We remember! Great job!

@blackpete389 8 лет назад

what size frame is that bike and how tall are you. I am 5ft 10" and i am trying to decide what size to get, thanks

@RideAlongside 8 лет назад

+blackpete389 - I am five ten as well. Medium fits well. Large is ok if you have a longer torso, and prefer to be stretched out for XC and climbing, but the medium is better overall, especially if you plan to do longer rides, bikepacking, and the like. I hope that helps. Enjoy your new bike when you get it! Thanks for your support!

@soupsawsandfish4113 8 лет назад

I am about 5'10" with a 30" inseam and rode a Large El Mariachi and it fit really nicely. Would you recommend I stick with a Large in the Krampus? El Mar ETT= 620mm and Krampus ETT=630mm.

@jdtolliver801 7 лет назад

nice vid well done..

@RideAlongside 7 лет назад

Thanks! We love discussing this stuff. It's nice to hear that others enjoy it too!

@conanfa18 3 года назад

I don’t really understand how to do a bicycle review, for an off-road bicycle, or shot indoors? That’s not why we click on your website.

@RaikenXion 5 лет назад

Well thats a phat bike, do you know where i could get this bike in the UK? Or would i need to order it shipped?

@RideAlongside 5 лет назад

Yes, you could get it here: surlybikes.com/dealers/region/London

@RaikenXion 5 лет назад

@@RideAlongside Thanx, im getting one this month payday :)

@RideAlongside 5 лет назад

Right on! Enjoy the new whip!!

@kapalama 9 лет назад

Hey you mention the Chupacabra. Do you mean the "Riding the Spine" kind of Chupacabra? I know you didn't but have you seen the Riding the Spine Chupacabra? www.ridingthespine.com/Journey/category/journey/chupacabra A long time ago, I was bugging both Surly and Xtracycle about going full out Pugsley/Xtracycle, and they both said it was two separate small markets that would not cross over into many sales. Now that the new Xtracycle longtail will fit a Crampus 29+, it seems that the dream is there. Although I think I will look more at the Aluminum frame/suspended Trek Stache 9. Thoughts?

@RideAlongside 9 лет назад

kapalama No, the Chupacabra that I was referring to is the Bontrager Chupacabra 29x3.0 tire. It comes stock on the Trek Stache line of 29+ bikes. I personally find cargo bikes awesome, but I have never had need to purchase one myself...yet. That RidingTheSpine.com Chupacabra is amazing! Thanks for sharing. The Trek Stache 9 will suit probably 50-75% of all MTB riders really well. I prefer steel, rigid, durable, low-maintenance rigs myself, but I am definitely not the normal MTB rider. I would prefer the Krampus whereas most of my friends would prefer the Stache. I hope that helps!

@kapalama 9 лет назад

Ride Alongside Thanks for the response. I have not yet ridden a 29" for any length of time (just a couple at bicycle trade shows), and especially not a 29+, but one of the reasons a cargo bike wants suspension (and not just a tire based suspension) is something you touched on in you review of the Krampus. The controlled rebound of a suspension fork is something you want when you are carrying big loads, even when most of the weight is over the back wheel like in the Xtracycle. The tires will probably be always near max inflation because of the potential of doubling the weight carried on any trip. I have moved a household using the Xtracycle attached to a 26" front suspension bike (including couches and chairs), and the suspension becomes necessary when there is no bunny hopping over a sudden pothole. The back can get dragged along over a hole, but the front needs to ride steer through it. But the sticking point was always getting stuck in gravel or sand. Hopefully the pseudo fatty of the 29+ will solve that, along with the overall greater diameter of the 29 wheel itself. Thanks for taking the time to put up the review! The ground covered by having the two of you talk through it makes it really work well!

@RobertSmith-sq1wg 8 лет назад

hey, its ZZ TOP

@dazzasp3 4 года назад

Well I own a 92 cromoly diamondback topanga go anywhere bike

@RideAlongside 4 года назад

Sweet.

@nikos-giorgos 8 лет назад

6:20 Phenomenal difference between a 29 and a29+ . Yeh, right...

@RideAlongside 8 лет назад

My times on my rigid with a 29+ front have shown a great difference, even compared to the 29x2.4. Mostly I would attribute it to lower volume, lower rolling resistance and increased traction, but perhaps some of it is psychological as well. Even so, I am faster than I was before and that is worth sharing. YMMV.

@nikos-giorgos 8 лет назад

+Ride Alongside Great to now, but phenomenal?C'mon. By that logic a 26er(I ride one) would be like riding a child's bike, not hating though as my beard is bigger than yours...

@RideAlongside 8 лет назад

+νικος γιώργος Its not necessarily diameter or even total volume that was phenomenally different for me, as a fat bike wasn't much different for my riding. It was phenomenal for me because of the way in which I was now riding with this front tire. If on different trails that were straighter, smoother, or flatter, it wouldn't have seemed to different. After adjusting the air pressure to 12psi, I found the 29x3 front end to be dynamic under me, allowing easier roll over, but also a dynamic tire contact patch that allowed different types of traction and turning, depending upon how far I leaned forward or backward to weight or unweight that front end. It works for me in the rocks, hardpack, sand, and roots with the style of riding I prefer. Is it faster on all trails or for all riding styles? Absolutely not. It will never be as fast in a super technical Enduro or downhill course, nor in a long gravel grinder dirt road race when compared to bikes designed specifically to be faster for those courses, but it's phenomenally versatile for the trails I ride and how I rode them, where it has made me faster uphill and downhill which surprised me very much. I hope that helps. 26ers are awesome by the way, as are 20 inch BMX bikes. I love riding them all, just in different ways.

@nikos-giorgos 8 лет назад

+Ride Alongside Well, with that much of an analysis i'll have to sub...

@RideAlongside 8 лет назад

+νικος γιώργος Glad be able to show you my dedication and glad to have your support!

@dhobonov 3 года назад

too bad there doesn't seem to be much interest in making 29 x 3 tires anymore...sigh

@RideAlongside 3 года назад

That’s for sure. Bicycle antiques of antiquity

@SeniorHiker77 5 лет назад

I'm I the first to request a polycro sheet?

@RideAlongside 5 лет назад

Yes you are! Send an email to RideAlongside at gmail dot com with the address you would like us to send it to and we will get it shipped out right away.

@RonRonRoaming 7 лет назад

That's a cool CA bear shirt who make that?

@RideAlongside 7 лет назад

ian docena It is from TASCO-MTB. They raffle off at least one full suspension mountain bike each year to benefit youth mountain bike racing. They have shirts, hats, and hoodies with the "Braap Bear" design, but I love all their other designs as well. They just started making gloves and they are top notch. A great company, doing great things, providing great products. Thanks for asking! www.tasco-mtb.com/

@RideAlongside 7 лет назад

Did you pick up one of them Braap Bear shirts Ian?

@RonRonRoaming 7 лет назад

No not yet, I forgot about it lol

@diyautoschool 6 лет назад

Nice Review -- But -- Whats with the Beards and Mustache's???

@RideAlongside 6 лет назад

Thanks! Wait...you mean you don't have one? It's been said, only two types of people leave the house without a beard....women & children. 😃

@discoverydavid 8 лет назад

Plus Beards or Fat Beards? The facial hair dispute continues....

@VideoNOLA 5 лет назад

Boost beards.

@Metrobus271 4 года назад

The Amish Brothers of rigid biking.

@RideAlongside 4 года назад

🤣👍

@sethnicholls7861 7 лет назад

ALOT of euh' s guys....Jeez, hard to get listening thru tho I enjoyed the general nitty-gritty of the review.

@RideAlongside 7 лет назад

uh, Thanks? :)

@val-vs5wq 3 года назад

Elmheriaiatshi

@danb3607 2 года назад

How in God's name do you get a krampus! I have tried for 3 years. The pandemic has been brutal 😳

@watertankhikes 2 года назад

Get a Jones LWB Complete. Better quality bike all the way around. The only reason to keep waiting for a Krampus is if you want front suspension from the start.

@danb3607 2 года назад

@Watertank Hey. Thank you ! 2 weeks later....I am getting my new jones lwb plus on Thursday. I am behond stoked! I appreciate the lead. Enjoy your summer ☀️!

@watertankhikes 2 года назад

@@danb3607 I just opened this message after getting back from a nice morning ride on my steel Jones LWB (I also have a Ti LWB). You are going to love your new bike- just keep those tire pressures low, and you'll be able to ride pretty much anywhere. Keep in mind that the LWB is around 35 pounds, but switching to tubeless will save you a pound (Schrader tubeless valves are great- Glad Jeff switched to Schrader). With some other component swaps, you can get the weight under 30 pounds.

@loveulez 3 года назад

Girls beards, straight from the salon. Real man facial hair grows only horizontally.

@RideAlongside 3 года назад

Adam thanks man. Love your videos you’ve put up. I just used your crypto link and got $50. Did you get yours too?

@bubacat1108 6 лет назад

Grizzly adams and adam grizzly ride bike bikes,Duh

@dirtnastyish 7 лет назад

A steel frame with the cutout rims rides so nice, it is a joy to climb with. If your local shop has one you can demo, take it for a ride and you'll be sold.