Surron Track Lap Times 21" vs 18" vs 16" vs 19" Tires 

I thought it was great! Very informative, and great footage too!! The amount of time that must go into something like this really shows

15-20 min is good!

Good length. When there is good information, the longer length is less of an issue that when it’s mostly just for the visual experience. Is the video attention seeking? ... or is it more informative? Then if it is informative... subdivide it into categories based on the density of the information and level of knowledge and skill needed. Obviously the more dense and / or difficult, the longer it can be. That might be a good way to differentiate.

I think keep as much info as possible. This kind of video is for people that want to know.

I think it was great. I was listening for certain clues throughout that will help me. And watching the stock tires wash out was very helpful.

We totally agree!

Thank you! We love it too! Follow us, this is just the beginning.

Thanks mates! Can't wait to see what the BAC4000 and BAC8000 can do on that track! What's it going to take to break the time of the Honda CRF250f 47.28 which is our current leader and goal to beat! We need to shave a 1/2 second off the Surron to beat it...I think the BAC4000 can easily do that :)

One of these days we'll get our hands on a Cake...

We have TONS of 70/100-19 tires in stock including the Kenda Trackmaster which is one of the more popular choices due to it's blocky paddle-like tread design. If you want something a bit larger than the Kenda the Dunlop MX33 and MX53 have a bit more volume to them. While technically these are all front tires, they work better than the OEM CST tire that comes on the bike. Check out our website we have a lot of choices. Thanks!

Also, if you are interested in a 16" rear, we just got a large shipment of 16" rims which have been incredibly hard to source the last few months. As soon as our next hub run arrives (very soon) we'll be posting many 16" wheels to our website, so be sure to hit the notify button to be the first to know when they go on sale. :)

@@ChargedCycleWorks Thanks. I was wondering: Why does a 16" rim offer you a more aggressive tire? Is it that selection of 16" tires are more aggressive and readily available, versus a 16" tire being able to be wider?

@@KNKLHEAD all of the above. Lots of 16” tire choices that fit really well. Everything from mild to aggressive to sticky/gummy for ultimate traction. Check out our tire page and use the 16” filter. We’ve put lots of notes in the descriptions from our testing.

You are absolutely correct, we actually did track range via battery percentage, but 1/2 way through the 16/19 test the handlebars twisted (didn't have direct mount stem) and riding the bike back to fix it ruined the range testing. We do believe the track is the best way to test range however, because trying to do range tests in natural environments hasn't worked, every time I put two people on the same bike and ride the same thing the range is different due to how aggressive the rider is...essentially the more time spent near full throttle the more energy used, so two people riding the same thing can have very different results...making range testing a pain! It must be the same person (weight) riding the exact same conditions at the exact same speeds to be accurate. We will do this when we have the time.

Hey Mark! by mid-june, hopefully sooner. Spokes land next week, rims are on the shelf ready to go, and our billet aluminum 32H hubs which are compatible with many more rims (like Tusk) should also arrive by then. The biggest hold-up we have had is the shortage of Excel 16" 36H rims compatible with OEM hubs, this is why we decided months ago to CNC our own 32H hubs, too many limitations with the OEM 36H hubs. Plus we get to anodize them in other colors: Black, Gold, Blue, Purple :) Thanks for the patience, we know everyone is anxiously awaiting.

@@ChargedCycleWorks Keep up the good work and can't wait to get a set ordered! Thanks

I'm sure the larger diameter helps slightly with bumps, but on this particular track it was the traction in the corners that let Brian (200lbs) go full speed on 18/21 but not the 16/19. The sticky compound rear tire we used on the 16" wasn't holding it's line through the turns at full speed with his weight and causing him to let off the throttle through the turns. We'll go back with an MX tire on the 16" to re-test to get a more apples-to-apples test between the two. We also need to put larger sprockets on both bikes, but especially the 18/21, it needs a 60t sprocket...we'll do it all again and beat these times...and of course we must see what a BAC4000 and suspension does :)

@@ChargedCycleWorks sweet! Any info on where to send my DNM shock to get it upgraded / tuned? Have you gotten yours back yet?

Upgraded 19" tires do make a big difference. We discuss that a bit more in this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-wVyGBRwWuRs.html

The OEM 19" size is terrible for sand, you need a 16" rear wheel which will give you a nice fat tire that works great in the sand, we even sell paddle tires for them! chargedcycleworks.com/products/ams-sand-snake-paddle-tire-90-100x16

@@ChargedCycleWorks Thanks !

Great question, give us a couple days and then come back to the website and search for "CST". I really would love to reduce our stack of OEM tires! The only bad thing is shipping will be close to $10 each (lower 48) so that will just about double the cost of the tire, but it's still cheaper than a $60 tire + shipping.

This is in one of the videos, the stock tires were scary and unpredictable with the lack of traction, but as you can see in our chart on our website 16/19 rules racing on the Light Bee. Traction and handling beat weight in this case. chargedcycleworks.com/pages/surron-lap-time-leaderboard

we usually run 54t on 16" and 60t on 18" for our Utah riding and that's what was used in these tests.

BAC4000’s arrive this week and you can bet we will be testing those. Also we have our Stage4 suspension FINALLY installed on Our bikes to test. 72v BAC8000 is probably going to be a few months away but we will definitely be doing that as well. :)

Hey Ben! We just got our first 72v battery! We already filmed 18/21 BAC4000 8.5kw, spoiler alert it demolished our track times as expected, that will be the next video we publish. 72v coming soon :)

Yes it's a 90/100x18 and they fit amazing on the Surron. We do dish slightly. We did remove the kickstand, however there are ways to modify your kickstand if you want to keep it. WE NEVER TRIM KNOBS, EVER! We strongly believe if you have to trim knobs off your tire then you've made a bad choice in wheel/tire selection. This is off-road riding NOT NASCAR! :)

Also, we do experiment with 100/100x18 tires from time to time, we were really excited when we found the Shinko R546 100/100x18, because it's narrow like a 90, but there are two problems with it, it's very tall, and it weighs 12lbs and for those reasons we will not be selling them, the 90/100x18 is a much better choice for these bikes.

@@ChargedCycleWorks Thanks for the response. Ya Im not a big fan of Nascar lol. But honestly Im not a big fan of cutting or dishing. I was hoping you didnt dish with this tire. Torn between your 16/19 setup or 18 21. But I think you may have answered my question since I am not a fan of dishing either. I rode a bike that had 3/8" dish and I could feel it. If I go with this tire on your 18" how much will you need to dish it for me? Thanks

We cannot feel 1/8" of dishing. And the hubs we manufacture and build with are already "dished" so that you do not have to use spoke tension to do this, the hub lobes have been moved 1/8" away from the sprocket. The 90/100 rear tires are simply amazing on the surron.

www.chargedcycleworks.com we sell tons of different wheelsets

Yes, in our later videos we have BAC4000 powered lap times. This was just wheels and tires.

we did in one of our prior videos, the 16/19 was the fastest on our turn track.

At the very end of the video is fastest lap for each setup and I’ve posted it on our website. Would you like to see the lap time details of who got what time? chargedcycleworks.com/pages/surron-lap-time-leaderboard

16/19: Nate 47.74 Brian 49, 18/21: Nate 48.48 Brian 48.48, OEM: Nate 49.78 Brian 49.1. Brian needs some redemption on the 16/19 with an MX tire rather than the sticky compound Shinko Cheater. Plus we want to go back with a full Stage4 package and different sprockets to see how those affect the times. And of course a BAC4000 :)

Jump over to the website. If the version you want is out of stock, add your email to the automated notification list to be alerted when we have them available again.

chargedcycleworks.com/collections/wheels/products/16-sur-ron-x-rear-wheel

Thanks for the feedback! This is a very out of date video for our channel and we agree, Further shootouts and comparisons should be much more even bike wise. Thanks again

yes sir! It's a bit of a drive, but that turn track year after year is so consistently good and un-changed we decided to make it our official test track.

Love that place

We agree, we'll get the KTM's out there. On this particular track the Surrons are likely quicker through the turns (lighter) and the only real advantage the KTMs' will have is the long straight and the suspension doing a better job with some of the braking and acceleration bumps. Curious, have you attempted to ride your Surron at race-pace for 90+ minutes? I don't think the battery will last...full throttle riding zaps it in about 20 miles or even less. Would love to hear about your experience with this.

oh, one more thing we've noticed about riding aggressively with the surrons on the DNM suspension. It's brutal on your hands and wrists and other body parts, despite the light weight bike. If you are going to race you will want to upgrade the suspension. I would recommend upgrading suspension before the power, suspension is severely holding these bikes back from full performance and not wrecking your body. Unfortunately the bike industry is sold out of suspension until 2022 :( we're working on other options such as DNM fork tunes in the meantime.

@@ChargedCycleWorks Battery swap at the 45-60 minute mark for hare scrambles. I rode a 34 mile timekeeper enduro; I had a 14.5A*hr parallel range extender, still ran short by 2 miles to the finish. I rode pretty much 90% pace for 2.5 hours and was fresh up until having to push the bike home, that was exhausting!

@@ChargedCycleWorks Oh yes, however, technology is your friend here. Flexx fast bars take the sting out the hits you are referring too. Also, running tubliss in the front. The combo of the two are the best $ for performance on the front end. The back, the best solution is an SLS or Ti spring with a rotation bearing or washer. Super smooth.

My hear rate monitor tells the story on the enduro effort. My HR average was well into the 150's for the 2.5 hours. The second hour when I really went harder, it was 160-170. That is pretty much max for me at my age over that length of time. If the bike was a heavy gas machine, I would have had to slow up the pace. I've hit 187 on the MX track when I was out with all the crazies, I had to back down the pace near the end of the 20 min session. Data is a harsh mistress my friends.

Thanks, we're trying to get better at that, it's surprisingly difficult when you are trying to cover a lot of information.

We heavily test bikes so that customers can understand the performance differences these components make on the bikes. This allows customers to make an informed decision BEFORE they spend $1000's. Every day we have people thank us for this work. Thank you for taking the time to watch a bunch of our videos and commenting even though you don't like them. Cheers!

@@ChargedCycleWorks It's not that I don't like 5 of these bikes... I plan to buy a new model this year too, even if there are minimal differences in components, it's basically not the same as the 2022 model. Just a bigger 40ah battery, which is a little better. The last time I had a 34, 5. ah. The other one, if I'm not mistaken, was 37ah But that's minimal differences. I tried several types of tires, but in the end I bought another new set of Shinko sr 241, although difficult but probably the best choice in my opinion. it's more like something in between, that is, the main road is a full forest road, the terrain is not too difficult, and he gave up winter riding, God knows... You are talking about $1000. In our country, it is the euro, so for me it is about €800, which is almost nothing for me to buy this bike pair components for modification, and I'm talking about stupid things such as a better headlight, handlebars, footrests, rosette, chain, headlight switch, Vistuha, tires, and I've already told myself very clearly that a few things still need to be replaced with better parts - modify and we are not talking about changing the chassis - front and rear suspension, high battery capacity + Controller and other items such as R 16 rear discs or the original stock R 19, let's talk. After another thousand million or euros, I think it's nonsense to spend another 1000... For that, it's worth it that I'll buy a more powerful alternative right out of production like the Surron, because this bike still has a mountain-level chassis bike with the only difference that it is also heavy, especially in difficult terrain, not at all as agile as a Motocross rider would expect, unlike a Motocross Enduro or better advice to drink bike dirt... it has a completely different suspension permeability = chassis performance... Urgently terrible Really inflexible passes over hard obstacles, I like this bike, but longer riding causes pain, the person is quite destroyed by it, but maybe shorter people, on average 150 cm 160 cm, I feel more comfortable even longer, but the taller people, I definitely doubt lifting the whole bike and I don't think it's nice at all cool, it doesn't look good anymore, I know some people literally make it a fashion tuning = merry-go-rounds But you look at it differently, they make a beautifying tuning re he's lying and he certainly wouldn't take it off-road into the forest

We talk about this a lot with customers and we always warn them when they go down the path of a $8,000+ surron. But the fact is there are a lot of people out there that do not want a full sized gas motocross bike with a clutch and gearbox and 60hp to control. It's more about the giant goofy grin on their face and having the $ to afford the hobby. These bikes bring out the 10 year old inside of you, it's quite magical.

@@ChargedCycleWorks The Chinese knew what they had produced, this is exactly money-oriented marketing... Because when a person buys this bike, he will first claim that it is great as it is, there is no need to do anything with it, but two weeks ago, he already starts thinking about replacing the higher handlebars and gradually it's already going and still something, but it's basically just for the feeling and in time he'll find out that it was useless. And as I wrote, the only thing is to increase the power and put as much battery there - a bigger one so that it should perform the maximum, but in truth this bike is not at all suitable for high speed, rather it is dangerous... And if we are talking about difficult terrain where a person is going to go crazy on this So it will also cost him some pain, since the chassis is very poor, the rear suspension will also lose its shock absorber... But the stock front fork is very poor... And putting another 1000 dollars or euros into this is nonsense, in my opinion, you will be happy for a week and then you'll get over it and you'll realize that you've wasted money, it was possible to drive it even in its original condition, ok, maybe with a minor modification - modification, but nothing extreme, because people literally want to change everything on it, they just leave the basic RAM and otherwise the complete set everything for exchange, so I would already be looking for another motorcycle or bike and not after sur-ron where he wants to buy this bike, so he should mainly be satisfied and keep himself in check and above all not worry about what he will modify next week and ride in that factory condition, you don't need to deal with it too much because they are just unnecessary worries. But when a person is dissatisfied, he will be dissatisfied, I will still not be enough for him even if he changes everything. Because they found out that you could already buy a proper machine - a machine and not this mountain bike for that, it's best to leave it as it is and just ride it, don't deal with other things around it, you have to have fun with it, that's all

@@RZ888888 A bone stock surron competed at the famous Red Bull TKO Hard Enduro race and he beat more than 50% of the gas bikes...so yes, a stock $4500 Surron is very capable. That's why these bikes are so popular, for LESS THAN THE PRICE OF A GOOD MOUNTAIN BIKE you are having an absolute blast! And if you want to make it faster and more fun there is a huge aftermarket behind it. EXACTLY LIKE A JEEP, a bone stock Jeep is pretty dang good, but the aftermarket can turn that Jeep into anything that you can imagine.

We have a lot of very happy customers that would argue that none of this is BS. Sounds like you need to ride one :)