Wheel and Tire Overview For Sur Ron X 

You seem excited😂😂

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We’ve agree! Got the riser link too, waiting for fox rear to show up before we add it 🤘🏽

Feels so much more planted and stable! Maybe a 5-10% loss in power but with our controller it’s not noticeable. Range is only decreased with lots of starting and stopping.

You can get wheels from me directly on Facebook messenger if you like.

Ebay will have most

Not a mistake. The goldish orange set is 19x1.6 and the black set is 19x1.85. Was pretty tricky getting the full size moto tire on both...

The new rims fit the same rotor type as the front now 👌🏽

Yes this was with an upgraded controller. I think you’d be better off with a much smaller rear tire than with the big one if you have a stock controller. The big tire is really so that we can put the extra power down.

@@emotobros been looking at 16 rear, Sm pro or wicked wheel works if possible and 19 front, do you know at all how the SM pro weight compares to stock rims and how that would be on stock

There will be a wide range probably from around $600-$1000 depending on parts and wether or not you buy DIY or pre built.

It's 100% dependent on your fork, you would need a boost fork to run a boost hub. You can run a boost fork with a non-boost hub using a 5mm disk rotor spacer, but you cannot use a boost hub on a non-boost fork. Good article here: www.notubes.com/stories/say-what-the-difference-between-20x110mm-thru-axles-and-20x110mm-boost-thru-axles-explained

Just to test out if it’s worth the extra amount so others don’t

@@emotobros Ahh ok! Look forward to the "results" video!

Yep!

Is there a way you can do this and keep the kickstand?

19/16 doesn’t make any sense to us. In response to your points: 1) There is plenty of options on 18 and 19 inch rears as well. 2) You can get 19 and 18 inch tire options that fit without trimming, trimming just allows you to maximize tire space with no unused room, this is not a downside. 3) No modifications other than a smaller rim. Also, the same can be said about 18 and 19 inch rims. 4) Same can be said about our set up. 5) Same can be said about our set up. 6) Tires are cheaper because they use cheaper compounds and less rubber on tires meant for a child’s size bike. This is a major downside. Your doing yourself a SERIOUS disservice by limiting your Sur Ron to tire compounds designed for these bikes. 7) I would not consider any of the listed bikes a motor cross race bike, and once again these bikes are for kids. The goal is to make the sur ron closer to a full size dirt bike, not closer to an 85cc pit bike. 8)We never recommended an 18 inch rim and have had no issue buying tires for our rims. You missed some serious cons as well: 1) Looks bad in our opinion 2) Tire compounds not as good as those for full size bikes 3) You can’t get as large of a tire on the rear 4) complete messes with the geometry of the bike, throws way too much rake on your forks and will make them flex instead of use their travel 5) For the front tire not going to a 21” front tire is a huge mistake! It has better braking, traction, and bump response. This absolutely improves the way the bike handles and staying with a 19 is just not a good decision if you really want to maximize performance. I could go on but I think you get the just of it Thanks

@@emotobros I don't want to get in a fight here, I very much respect what you are doing and the content you are producing, but I highly suggest you go to a local motocross race and see what these "kids" are doing on "kids bikes" before you make statements like the ones above. The 16/19 motocross tires are top tier racing tires made for bikes the same size and weight of the surron with far more power and capabilities than the surron. These tires are not "cheaply" made, they are every bit as good as 18/21's and IMO fit and function better on a small bike like the surron without any geometry problems...of course this is a 2-way argument and not everyone agrees and I respect that, and I respect your opinions but please try to be objective, and honestly as a person who has raced motocross my entire life, I find it offensive that you claim that a KTM85, KX85, YZ85 is a "pit bike" and "not considered...a motor cross race bike". I 100% disagree with this statement and anyone with MX racing experience will back me up on that.

For those that are curious, here is The Deegans racing one of these super-mini bikes against full sized 125cc race bikes with 18/21 tires and he falls at the beginning of the race and passes 15 full sized bikes on his way to finishing 5th place on a SuperMini MX race bike with 16/19 tires. The speeds he is racing is 2x faster than what would be possible on a surron in these same conditions and obviously passing 15 riders with bigger and more powerful bikes running 18/21 tires is proof the 16/19 tires are not holding him back. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XR1MBht-FAs.html

@@BrianLampright913 We've gone to the track many times and mean no disrespect by the word kid or child. The 150cc and smaller bikes are quite literally kids bikes, no reason to call them something other than what they are (125 race bike is kind of an exception). While you can find 16" tires with good compounds, they're not much cheaper than a 19" with the same or better compound. We were more suggesting that there isn't a huge monetary savings buying an equivalent quality 16" tire vs 18 or 19. There are far more poorly made tires for a 16" wheel even if there are some good ones but again we were referring to the ones the other user was saying was way cheaper than the 19 or 18 tires we run. I'd consider the 85cc race bikes as exactly what they are but I wasn't the one who left the other comment, that was Cole, so no argument here on that one. They are absolutely race bikes and should be considered as such. As far as the Deegans go, we follow them pretty closely and I think you could agree as someone who races that suggesting his basically factory level super mini should be slower than built 125s is kind of funny. Deegan is faster than anyone in his age group and his class without a doubt. but we are talking about a bike that is almost bored/stroked over 30ccs, it's nothing like a stock 85cc and also has bigger wheels. Either way, no one said the surron makes a good track bike and we stand by that. The bike can be adapted to many styles and types of riding, but I don't think it'd make a good track bike without $10,000+ in custom work but at that point it isn't really a surron.

It absolutely will increase rotational mass and be less efficient. That being said, stock wheels and tires are a massive limiter for what these bikes can do so you gotta make sacrifices in efficiency or sacrifices in fun.

@@emotobros Thank you for response! I got my surron a week ago. And have seem many setups. from 21-19/18 all the way to 19/19 and 19/16. Trying to do my research on what direction to go. From what I am seeing. People love the 21 up front. I understand it as I am a mtb'er and run 29 in front of my downhill bikes.

@@DukeFerg I could simply never recommend anything other than a 21/18 full moto setup especially with a supporting battery and controller. The problem with 16" in the rear is that it stays the same height as stock which we don't like and it makes it hard to go to 21" in the front without ruining the bike geometry.

17” super moto wheels.

or if you don't want to spend money, just put Shinko 241 trials tires on your OEM rims and call it a day :)

@@BrianLampright913 I was thinking about that or 244s. haha

Hello, we purchased these pre-built so I have no idea unfortunately. Our apologies.

Smaller than stock is not what we want for our style of riding.

Almost same as stock

@@dicktomasko1553 Yeah it's close we just already felt that stock was too small.

We sell colored rims on our website!

no, think he said they went with a wider rim for better traction.

Stock tubes and tires are basically throwaways, I never took them on a single serious trail.

We did try this out on stock power settings (still our controller, but same power as stock) and we were surprised at how little the added weight slowed the bike down. I would still recommend these rims and front tire to anyone on a stock bike as it will still be a great upgrade. That being said, the star cross 5 rear is heavy with the tubliss and a lighter rear tire with a tube could be a good middle step while you are still on stock power.

245? They’re street tires

That combo definitely seems more suited for the street than the dirt. If it works for your application that is what matters, but personally I wouldn't recommend anyone take that tire combo off road.

@@charlesw90 no the 244 is a dual sport but since i ride dirt and street the 245 and the 244 is the best combo for me

@@emotobros i didnt have the money to have two wheel sets. Nor do i wanna swtich it out everytime so having the dual sport in the back and the dirt in the front helped me get the traction i needed to hit dirt but also rip it up on the streets.

Definitely would be a good route to just get a frame and build it how you want. Like you mentioned, drill one is about the same price as a built out SurRon, but I think that a drill is inferior performance wise to a built SurRon.

@@emotobros your right, the drill one though powerful has a much shorter range and a longer charge time. It looks like to me I should wait some an see what the industry does while I get the money together to make my purchase. TKS

There is a lot we don’t like about the drill one, our bikes are still cheaper, and Sur Rons are easier to get.

There's a thought, is the drill one cheaper or more costly then a sur ron plus the laundry list of up grades?

I prefer the 241 actually

We disagree with this claim. Disclaimer: we have not personally tested the 244, this is based of internet research. The 244 is a dual purpose tire with a moderate compound for pavement and a tread that simply is not aggressive enough for dirt in our opinion. The 241 is still dual purpose, but the compound and tread more closely resembles a trials tire. We no longer run the 241 on our bikes as the tread is more suited to dry, rocky terrain which is not what we primarily ride. We have moved on to larger more aggressive tires, but it is still a viable option for people who do ride in those conditions. At the end of the day, it just depends on what your looking for and where you ride.

@@emotobros i would deff try the 244s out BUT if your only riding dirt then its pointless. I got the 244 because it had bigger knobs than the 241s and trust me it helps out a ton. The reason i say its better because i have freinds with the 241s and i have the 244 and my traction is better. The only thing i dont like is that the circumference of the wheel.isnt the same anymore. My front wheel is slightly smaller due to the 245.

@@tintin6291 check out the DUNLOP 605F 21X2.75 . Very good match with a 244 in the rear. This set up I’ve been using for past year or so because I ride a lot of mixed terrain and been very happy with it. The 605F Is a very light weight tire compared to the other duel sport tires that I’ve tested

@@emotobros i have both the 244 is really hard compared to the 241