Surveillance Of Your Activities In Workers Comp 

You might have been following the investigator and not necessarily followed by the investigator> How? simple a small and covert GPS device on your vehicle?

Yes, look for light standards that may have a blue, brown or white photo sensor on the top. Some of these have been replaced with sensors in the same case but also include day night board cameras which use PCL technology. Look in any Big Box hardware store for item ELC4536 with 3 prong locking. These include the photocell circuits but can be modified to power covert board cameras with lenses pointing out the small hole. The power for the camera and IR leds comes from the same power used for the photocell. It is in milliamps and not detectable remotely by the utility company. A boom truck can come by and in less than 30 seconds remove and replace the photo cell with covert camera for 24/7/365 observation. No need for vans or cars to be in the area.

They cannot put a device on your car!

That’s definitely illegal

I agree but if it causes your doctor to think you are full of shit, there goes your case.

Sue the doctor that said that because he cannot weigh anything based on a video.

Only a judge can decide whether you are out of compliance with your work restrictions not the ime doctor

@Stavroula Vicky Matzaras surveillance, destruction? I don't get it. I am truly hurt.

thats Exactly how people end up pushing up daisies

Perhaps you need to widen the scope of how things are done in the field? It is not necessarily the actual video recording details ( Who, What, Where) but HOW do they know you are 50 miles away celebrating and dancing at a birthday party when you NEVER drove there and were Never followed there? Many people use phones, cellphones internet communication to communicate. Hhhm interesting? Do you ever "talk" to anyone? Insurance companies are not required to tell you HOW they know what you are doing ( during discovery in a court case). Many investigators do not take notes, so how would they "remember"? Do they have an "independent recollection" of those activities ? Doubtful. Ask this question WHO has the most money in any court case? A famous law professor told me this: " Crimestoppers - There is the Golden Rule of the Bible, and the Golden Rule of Law: "She who has the Gold makes the rules". This is ALL you need to know about the law.

It’s perfectly legal as long as they don’t confront or harass you

You may be overthinking everything? How are people going to get PAID for these alleged activities? Most investigators are lazy! They just want more and more BILLABLE hours. If they can use their brain and cunning instead of wasting time and chasing ghosts they will.

You almost described what is happening to me. I guess they are trying to intimidate us. Ive been trhough this situacion for a year, same than you, the most were homeless and smelling marijuana. I wonder if is cheaper to pay peaople who follow you instead the medical treatment😂. At this point, i think theyve spent on me more in people harrassing me than my medical treatment 😂

@@MashaAveiro-ov3rq true story. I swear being a claimant is big business for the fiends. Cheap labor

This sounds crazy. This is hard to believe but I’m not saying it’s not true 😮

And a side foot note. I have over 50 pictures and videos of unwanted traffic and outlandish noise that’s sits around this home. Again if your going through workers comp and are in an unfriendly area the community will do everything they can to get inside your business. I have the videos and pictures to prove it.

So sorry. I do not envy anyone who does this job. Yes it can be quite hazardous. If the injured worker is not represented, he or she may not know what to expect, fear the worst, and take violent action. I don't know of any lawyer that would tell his or her client to shoot anyone!

@JoeMillerLaw , it happens more often than you think it does. People get tired of the b.s lies from impairment rating doctors who are not for the injured worker and someone actually shot that doctor

@JoeMillerLaw , as far as I'm concerned if you follow someone and they don't tell you why, then it is there fault if someone shoots them because in today's society you never know who or what a person's intentions are.

@@jaytackett6545 I"m certainly no expert in criminal law, but I'm not sure that would hold up as self-defense unless the person actually physically threatened you with lethal harm. That being said, I certainly don't envy anyone in the position of doing surveillance. I have no doubt they are shot at all the time, precisely for the reason you say. I certainly do not blame you for feeling that way. It's an intrusion into your private life and the life of your family.

After 5 years and 2 months, I just found out that all my lawyers have already been bribed by the insurance company. These lawyers only knew the "Deception Game" and the "Waiting Game".

@@niamdesudat2040 I know a little about that. It is ALL about who wins and billable hours.

@@crimestoppers1877 Thank you for the comment. After 6 years, the insurance company wants to bribe me for 2 hearing aids, and I did not accept it. So far, I have changed three lawyers, because all those lawyers are on the same front with the insurance company. They just drag the case so that I drop this case. All these lawyers, despite my strong insistence and emphasis, do not let the insurance company come to the final trial (the last lawyer even interrogated me for 2 hours). Please let me know if you have a solution. 🙏🙏🙏

Yes, but it is a VERY bad "joke" which costs lives for the benefit of the few who control this circus. Approximately 5% of the W/C premium dollar actually goes to pay the mandatory indemnity benefit! Five pennies to the injured worker and 95 cents to the rest of the party. When you walk into the typical applicant attorney office do you see office help crying or lawyers upset about the literal hell your are experiencing. IMHO most attorneys have a door that is like a turnstile at a circus event. Each click of that turnstile is one more benefit lien check, someday in the future. Insurance companies have TOTAL control to accept deny delay or dribble out a few bucks whenever they please. It is ALWAYS THEIR MONEY! So why pay a "dirtbag" ( their term) or scofflaw ( their term) or "lazy bum" ( their word) when they can keep it?

Their main goal is to not pay out. And when they have to, to pay the least possible amount.

I’d think the company would be. You could have refused to do that based off doctors orders tho. Talk to your comp representative and managers.

My company put me on to three homes to clean with a hurt elbow a full week.

that's messed up bro i'd document everything and record they ass.

I'm sorry that happened to you. If someone is in this position where they have restrictions and your employer is unwilling to accommodate them or unable to accommodate them, you should stop working and demand temporary disability benefits. If the insurance company fights you on that then you need to file for a hearing ASAP. They cannot make you work above your restrictions.

You need to go out on TDD possibly. You should seek legal advice a workers comp lawyer and remind your work place you believe you shouldn’t Be at full active duty . If you don’t look into it and get legal advice you could be doing yourself a disservice and hurt your case / situation at work . Good luck

I always have to preface that i do not know what state you are in, so i really cannot address the specific answer unless your case is pending in VA or NC. All i can tell you is that in VA, pursuant to discovery that your attorney would send to the defendants, they don't have to tell you about any surveillance until after they take your deposition. This is so they can preserve your testimony vs. any "gotcha" videos of you. I always tell my clients to just ASSUME that you are constantly under surveillance while the case is pending, ESPECIALLY if there's a hearing coming up, and not to lift or carry anything that is beyond the physical restrictions set by your treating doctor. For instance, if your restrictions are no lifting more than 5lbs, and you are videoed carrying in a 12-pack of Coke and a bunch of other heavy stuff, the defense can show that to your doctor, and there goes your credibility and potentially, your doctor's support of your claim and your physical restrictions.

@@JoeMillerLaw Thank you for taking the time to answer me I got a hearing at 2 PM today and if they have surveillance this would be a good time to show it because I’m trying to get my benefits restored after going to a IME i’ll give you an update after the hearing thanks again.

@@JoeMillerLaw I won In Court I found out no one believes IME are credible they are just hired guns. The judge said the injured have the right to rely on there own doctors. Thanks for your help

It depends on what state you are in. In VA, a private investigator is allowed to put a tracking device on a vehicle, but only with the owner of the vehicle's consent. Otherwise, it's illegal.

@@JoeMillerLaw besides surveillance is there a way for them to find out if you’re working another 1099/ W-2 job? meaning is there a system that they use? any feedback would be great in the state of Pennsylvania/Delaware.

@@christopherjones7167 I am not admitted in those States, and since workers compensation law is different in every state, I cannot really speak to your question. I can just tell you that in some states, such as North Carolina, where i AM admitted, there is something called a Form 90 that either the adjuster or defense attorney will occasionally send out to the injured worker or his attorney. The Form 90 is often sent when the injured worker is receiving workers compensation checks and it is a simple form whereby the injured worker is bound, under the law, to disclose any income he may be earning at any job by way of that form. Any attempt to hide or be deceptive about your income while receiving worker's compensation money would likely be sanctioned by the Commission, result in a dismissal of the claim, and also subject the injured worker to CRIMINAL prosecution. So even though I'm not admitted in PA or DE, I cannot imagine that it would not land you and your claim in a world of hurt--or even in JAIL-- if it was discovered that you were earning money while receiving your comp checks, and lied about it, or attempted to conceal it. I recommend that you talk to a competent worker's comp lawyer in your state.

500 weeks

What happened with your case in the end

So I have never seen it, and if you are not in VA or NC, I cannot really say because i dont' know your State comp Laws. But in VA and NC we advise our clients as follows: Signing the comp release or paperwork means NOTHING. Until the Settlement Award Order is APPROVED AND ENTERED by the Workers' Comp Commission, PLUS 30 days pass, you are technically not out of the woods yet. Technically, at any time until those 30 days pass after the Award is Entered, the defense could move to VACATE or CANCEL the entire settlement. For instance, if you settled based on the basis of you not being able to work and someone who has surveilled you called the claims adjuster and told him or her that the investigator saw you working your new job. If this took place before the 30 days were up, the defense could move to vacate on that basis. We actually tell folks, even after the 30 days, if you haven't yet received your check, wait until you deposit it in the bank and it's cleared before you start a new job. Just to be sure. Hope that helps.

@@JoeMillerLaw ty very much

@@DavidRodriguez-wd2sz You are very welcome.

I assure you that is a real case. You will not know you are being watched. These guys are professionals.

@@JoeMillerLaw Yes we are. Here is a little tidbit of tradecraft. Search key words: Persistent Surveillance.

How would he know. These people are professionals. Your comment shows how ignorant you are. Smh

I know an insurance company that orders sub rosa ( undercover surveillance) investigations on every single claim. They may pay more for the investigation than the total value of the claim. Why? It serves as a warning to all other injured employees so they will minimize rather than maximize ( exaggerate) the extent of on job injuries. I once had a $45,000 assignment on a $1,000 med only claim. Just a hint, you will never observe the observer. No vans or suspicious looking vehicles are used. IMHO I would Never file any insurance claim unless it was for a multi seven figure amount AND you have enough assets, cash and an excellent experienced trial attorney who is socially close to the judge in the matter. Other than this, forget about it and remember the Golden Rule of law: "She who has the Gold, makes the rules". Lady justice Always peeks through her blind fold.

@@crimestoppers1877 so can u opine on this one? Check this out its been 5 years since this accident happened it was well documented and denied but later accepted by the judge by appeal board so company tried doing a subrosa and the state doctor tells me hey your company lawyer is billshit i agree of course so over 5 years they have paid so much more than what they would of paid if settled quickly. So they offered a minuscule amount recently and i told them to pound sand and its like if i put my pinky in their buttholes they put 3 surveillance cars on me for about a month for me to notice. All proof and documents are there to prove my injury what is the point of all the surveillance if im still going to want my training according to my restrictions and how long can they keep this up

@@angievick3720 This is my second try. I need some information before I can give you my best response. Here are a few questions. If you don't know let me know. 1) Who is the ER ( employer), governmental or nongovernmental? 2) Is the carrier an insurance company or Third Party Administrator? 3) is this job related injury covered by a Union agreement?4) Were you in the bargaining unit at the time of the incident? 5) Have you ever had a previous W/C claim ( adjudicated or not)? 6) Do you know if the W/C Defense attorneys work in house directly for the carrier or TPA ( in house) or are contracted out ( "outhouse")? While you are gathering this information think about this: The actions of the insurance carrier or TPA can be speculated by assessing their behaviors in previous cases. Many are known to do the following in this order ( a few exceptions can be discussed later):. Deny, Delay, Minimize. You went through the Denial and Delay stages and are approaching the Minimize stage (there are still a few exceptions such as the nature of the Reserves on your case). Are you represented by an attorney? If you have been represented in this case did you remove the attorney and are represented by another ( this can weaken your position and encourage more "defense" (aggression) by the carrier or TPA). Remember this with few exceptions carriers can LOSE money by spending too much on defense, so they generally don't like spending more $$$ than they have to on sub rosa. Also Each player involved: ER, insurer, attorneys, investigators MUST consider their business model. Most are based on the concept of billable hours. The more billable hours the higher the income unless... long explanation. Rhetorical question for you? Why would an insurer pay over $40,000 on a simple $1,200 med only case ( not indemnity)? They can and will, since they "have more money than God" . This is a direct quote from a prominent law professor now working as an insurance company attorney.

@@crimestoppers1877 in house attorney for defwnse. And my attorney switched company 2 times but same lawyer. The problem here is that they dont want to train me and go through the process they are trying to minimize the case. Now im wondering if i should just go to social security with a 30 % mmi rating and they had an insurance carrier on my case for 2 years once they got the 30 mmi rating from the qme they hired sedwick to administer my case as a 3rd party but the good thing is that qme placed kaiser for all my health care needs and i have kaiser as my own private health insurance so all i have to do is go in laiser Permanente and say its workers comp and i get all medications free and dorctors care and co pay for free and they are going crazy emailing and calling the doctors but the doctors are overflowed with patients so the doctors just keep ignoring the on house lawyer and he gets furious i also see the in house lawyer following me after 5 years long. But ill tell you this much my mate had to get a second job and we are surviving pretty well so i rather fail thay let them get away with it. So now our lawyer is trying to get a psychologist qme but that is why they are following me and harrassing me now. So from what u said before they try a subrosa they are in housing me with surveillance to see if a second subrosa is worth it? Sorry so much to digest this is just making me sick.

@@crimestoppers1877 and no government job and no union i worked for a big private company in California. And im just wondering if my lawyer has sold out to my company because he sold my case to another firm but in the c&r he still wants his name in the contract.