Survive The Rate | F-16C Viper Vs Mig-29 Fulcrum DOGFIGHT | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |

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On this channel we like to do a lot of dogfighting most videos are some sort of dogfight between 2 different aircraft as we explore their different capabilities. From time to time I like to dabble in Virtual Reality, I think VR is a great new technology and I love to show that stuff off for the channel from time to time.
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@GrowlingSidewinder Год назад

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@thecobra45 Год назад

Could we get one of these two dogfights? F16 v F86 F-104 v mig 25 (or 31)

@rohangangan8327 Год назад

GS please make an Indian Mig 29 video!!!!

@numberyellow Год назад

Firstly: does this work for steam users? Secondly: NGAD vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns and missles plzkthx SU-57 vs F-15 ACTIVE, dogfight, guns only plzkthx

@hkguitar1984 Год назад

Who piloted the Viper today? Great flying by both. Great Content, Thanks You GS

@Cerdrick Год назад

I really enjoy your explanations and demonstrations. Though I was wondering if you could throw on the ctrl-enter hotas overlay so I can get a better idea of how you are managing the turns.

@nobody6454 Год назад

I don’t know why, but somehow that predicted wing break was way more satisfying than a gun kill 😂

@jameshughes6078 Год назад

timestamp?

@andrecristo8942 Год назад

@@jameshughes6078 14:46

@cloudforest4087 Год назад

Marvelous wingtip.

@swordmonkey6635 Год назад

Never interrupt your opponent when he's making a mistake. lol

@LogicWarrior1474 Год назад

I don’t fly the viper but… shouldn’t the limiter I’ve heard about prevent the wing separation?

@ralfhtg1056 Год назад

This is really a masterclass example of teaching a lesson. Not only to your oponent, but to your audience as well. Great job!

@Franseven Год назад

first time i actually see the explanation of circles and tactices this well, well done

@firebald2915 Год назад

F-16 = Fulcrum Fodder. GS does this so casually, I bet he rests his arm on the canopy sill, like a convertible lowrider going slow on the boulevard.

@RazorsharpLT 7 месяцев назад

Nope Not with the shit radar that the MIG-29 has. It's getting blown out of the sky by an AMRAAM @@firebald2915

@numberyellow Год назад

I love how he's so good, he can literally scare his opponent into destroying their own plane.

@Jojotheowl1 Год назад

GS is INSANE! Your piloting skills are crazy I have so much respect. You know how to exploit every weakness and strength in your aircraft and the enemy’s.

@brandonproctor3639 Год назад

As an F-16 pilot, this is a great way of looking at it. Very informative, thanks GS

@iskenuz Год назад

I love to see that tac-view at the end of the video to really bring into emphasis exactly what we're looking at. Seeing the F-16 lose the rate fight is great too; it's a great reminder not to get complacent and assume technical specs will win the fight for you.

@XiaOmegaX Год назад

All the John Boyd "pure dog fighting plane" doesn't matter when the opponent is good.

@beckenbaylin3167 Год назад

Mig-29 aged extremely well compared to other soviet models, it can still go toe to toe with its NATO counterparts and remains a viable alternative for most post-soviet arsenals. It was really amazing seeing it during airshows in Germany as it flew next to western aircraft. Sad to see that there will be no further modernization of this fighter and NATO countries sending them off to Ukraine, at least they will finish their life in a blaze of glory in the skies and not scrapped in some dusty hangar.

@tando6266 Год назад

@@jetfighter200 There is always a fireball, glory is assigned by the morals of the society to whom the fireball belongs

@vczs Год назад

Aged extremely well? With such short legs and airframe life compared to western contemporary aircrafts? You can upgrade avionics on an aircraft but it takes much more than that to be a potent one.

@user-kf9ui1in6r Год назад

The Flanker family aged more gracefully, the Tu-95 and Tu-22M also aged very well

@devilsoffspring5519 Год назад

In all fairness, the MiG-29 doesn't go too far on a tank of gas compared to its Western counterparts and its engines are real maintenance hogs. Still a cool aircraft though.

@richardhartley7266 Год назад

Will be good to see them flight beside f16s... cannot wait

@tgsgardenmaintenance4627 Год назад

Saw the first TV MiG 29 many years ago at Farnborough, it's manouverability was insane!

@nathaniellazo5912 Год назад

This will be fun. I absolutely love a video on the MiG-29!! Good luck!! Hey GS, since you are doing more of these tutorials, maybe you and some of your buddies show group tactics since some people might not know basic group strategies. Both with and without mixed aircraft squadrons and loadouts.

@wren7195 Год назад

Highly agree!

@mihailkondov4773 Год назад

Watching this makes me think flight instructors are going to use your videos to teach fighter pilots, so well explained! I never quite understoot the difference between one and two circles until now

@XiaOmegaX Год назад

It's a sure bet that actual real fighter pilots and instructors are learning new things from this channel. I've even heard russian air force is using DCS as extra sim pits

@arnavsadhu Год назад

@@XiaOmegaX I mean DCS was developed by russians, soo

@bluecaptainIT Год назад

@@arnavsadhu it was??? Isn't Eagle Dynamics American?

@PaulGAckerman Год назад

Setting up the shot in Round 3: "Do you have a moment to talk about your plane's extended warranty?"

@Gusramosferreira Год назад

In this offset 2 circle, that ups and downs I learned as high yo-yo manouver in the times of MCFS. You could do it going down and up again, low yo-yo, but not on the ground, of course. Nice one

@ClawsNGloves Год назад

It's such a pleasure to watch these vid's with your commentary. Really easy to follow and take pointers.

@chronoreverse Год назад

This was a really great video, instructive and illustrative of things I have had a vague concept of before but now is clear.

@tippership Год назад

So, the secret here is going up and down, tightens your turn,but doesn't totally bleed your speed to a near stall even on the deck- that using a little bit of vertical and it's effect on your turn tightness and position- is something that's not been covered in depth before- that's interesting to see Also that maneuver wing kill was CRAZY- GS with the maneuver kills, but those high g kills are ...weird lol

@johnclaudetaylor5224 Год назад

Truly a master when you can talk through your steps as it’s happening in front of you. Reminds me of my Muay Thai coach a lot. Able to see things before they seem evident

@cheungleo114 Год назад

never know that there is such a way to make two circle do into one circle, ty for sharing this skill to everyone 😊

@broneauell Год назад

Hey, I just paused the video to come here and say; respect. Your editing, the illustrations, narration etc. It is really amazing how you grew and dude you're nailing it. I love your content. Okay, back to the dogfight. Edit: AND your skills. I keep being amazed by how easy you make this look :')

@MrBrentles Год назад

There's something relaxing about a Canadians voice when they're shooting a bandit. Great video.

@caseinnitratjr6861 Год назад

6:03 love this aerodynamically assisted ballistic Dogfight’s.

@javiparis04 Год назад

I'm getting into DCS because of you, keep It up man, you're the best DCS youtuber by far

@GrowlingSidewinder Год назад

Thank you brother much love.

@terrencecox3748 Год назад

I was wondering when I was going to see you talk about this. This was something Phantom drivers would do when fighting against Mig-17's during Vietnam.

@F3EDER Год назад

The segment where the rear wing was damaged and you forced him to increase throttle and destroy himself through G-forces. Stunning work! Incredibly entertaining and amazing attention to detail in this game.

@pallenmilburn3372 Год назад

Outstanding job GS. Discuss, Demonstrate and Review. Well done!

@vectorkamarov8062 Год назад

This is the best class on tactics to counter vipers and possible counters from viper in dogfight, what makes it even better is that you are flying the awesome Mig-29 again! Thanks for the teaching and I really hope we can see more of those very straight forward and educational videos!

@bmodotcom1 Год назад

Really liked the debrief at the end, thanks so much.

@consov Год назад

Was literally wondering if mirroring the offset circle would counter it and keep it overlapping two circle, and then you promptly predicted and answered my question. Love the TacView. It really puts everything into perspective. Thanks man, keep it up!

@tejasviroyal8977 Год назад

Best RU-vid Tutorial I ever saw! GS explains every concept very well. Very satisfying, with a new school simulation + old school chalk-blackboard lesson. 👏 "Hey, Teacher, leave those Planes alone!"🎶

@salsadevil Год назад

It's called misaligned turn circles ie matc(time in video -18.27). As you were defensive(los aft bandit behind 3/9 line) in the 2c fight with the viper your were trying to increase the aspect back to 180 degrees(ie high aspect) you can increase the aspect in various ways-lo and hi yoyo's being one option, you could also time an extension ie the reverse of a tcx(turn circle extension) or you could take the fight vertical using radial G and timing to force the fight back to 180 degrees as mentioned earlier. If flying with a savvy bandit however, he can utilise tcx's with lead turns or go for an energy excursion to take the shot preserving over the top airspeed and the subsequent overshoot-ie rolling scissor.

@murph3194 Год назад

Ok. My dude.. the end to that 3rd round was hilarious. lol The fact that you had plenty of lead in your hud but never took the shot in anticipation of that wing disintegrating was great. Well played.

@stephenschroeder6567 Год назад

Sung to the tune of Snoopy vs The Red Baron "Ten, Twenty, Thirty, Fourty, Fifty or More" "That Growlin' Sidewinder was rollin up the score" "Eighty men died tryin' to smoke his ass" "That Growlin' Sidewinder of D C aS" Thank you GS for all the wonderful videos and lessons!

@dededu21fr Год назад

Great video ! I like learning moves and tactics and just not beeing stuck into 1 circle, 2 circles, rate fight... I want more way to survive and/or win ^^ Again, simple but well explained, keep up the good work !

@enochlearns6132 Год назад

Didn't get a chance to finish the show last night, but I'm glad I came back for the TacView debrief. I really appreciate the training. Awesome vid as always. Thanks to GS once again. Keep the content coming.

@ferdeboergd256 Год назад

Me: Oh, a teaching video, I'm too tired to pay attention to this, will save it to watch it at another time... *twenty one minutes later* Me: wow! I've learned a lot!

@madaxe606 Год назад

Nice to see Tacview return! I always thought it was super helpful to visualize what was happening in a 3D. Much appreciated. :) Great video and super, super helpful for handling the 2C against a better rate fighter. Thank you!

@Chef_PC Год назад

No wonder actual fighter pilots love watching GS. This is easy training.

@SHINR__ Год назад

By far one of the most interesting fights in a technical sense I've seen on here this is super cool seeing the offset work so fast.

@elementaleighteight Год назад

@2:52 throwing ropes!! Nice stick twitch to the 9 0clock

@JAnx01 Год назад

8:59 - GS doesn't even need a targeting computer for difficult firing solutions anymore.

@lwrncschmchr Год назад

Like watching a surgeon at work. Well done, GS!

@arizonaav8or399 Год назад

This was one of the best videos I’ve seen you do, GS, and I think I’ve seen them all. Great work! Keep it up! Your videos are always a highlight of my day, but this one was special! ❤

@Championre Год назад

Very informative and helpful video. Thank you for taking the time to explain this in such an understandable way.

@Flanker207 Год назад

Yes, the offset two circle. That's how I get splashed in dogfight every time. I'm aware what it does, how to create, but not how to avoid or fix it. I can do nothing against when I try to rate, or make my reverse too soon when I go for one circle. It's all about reading the cues, still that's the most difficult thing in dogfight, or maybe almost every sorts of fight in general lol. I may gonna stick to the tacview for a while, this vid is the one I was waiting for quite a time. Thanks man.

@GrowlingSidewinder Год назад

my pleasure, glad you found it useful man.

@michaelknightmustdie Год назад

Bullying those poor F-16s: Why are you splashing yourself? Why are you splashing yourself? ;)

@limitlessbydesign Год назад

Is anyone else driving around in normal traffic thinking about one and two circles? Wishing you had some fox whatever’s or an auto cannon? My daddy day care mini van hits different…

@reptilianbrother5618 Год назад

Wow this video was awesome, even more than usual. It's nice that you gave an insight on the offset two-circle. Also, I love how you made him rip off his own wing.

@luckyno888 Год назад

Sidewinder Academy: DCS Top Gun

@holmescjh Год назад

holy shit that off set two circle was absolutely clinical. Really brought me so much joy

@holmescjh Год назад

Nothing but respect for you and the things you're able to do in every single plane

@JohnDoe-fo7yi Год назад

Awesome. This video basically answers my earlier comment about what to do once your in a losing rate fight on the deck. Cheers!

@briand3200 Год назад

I’ve never played DCS but I enjoy watching you fly.

@danielebrozzolo1752 Год назад

Tacview is back and together with the offset 2 circle? What a nice treat of a video. Loved last time you did a video on it and I was wondering why you haven't been using that tactic anymore. Again amazing content GS.

@aGentleUser Год назад

I remember long time ago when i played Strike Commander, i started also the up and down 2 circle thing + shooting when crossing. Was much more effective then trying to outturn oponent. Sure quite a primitve flight sim compared to this, and me completely unaware what doing, nevertheless happy I recognized the schema :D Love to see you flying soviet planes!

@justinnewcomb2279 Год назад

GS is like a Legendary racecar driver explaining how a race will go by knowing the performance of a car down to the tire pressure.

@enochlearns6132 Год назад

This is Excellent. I always wondered what could be done if you ended up on the deck in a rate fight w/a f16. Offset 2 circle. Nice. I'm ashamed to admit I can't finish the whole vid now, but I'll be back. Just wanted to comment for the algorithm. Thanks for the analysis. I never thought I would find geometry fascinating. I can't wait to try this out. Just saving for hardware and I'ma be on the list. Thanks again for your fine instructions and demonstration GS. You're a beast.

@WonderMinds01 Год назад

Well explained. Thanks for debriefing.

@seangall7637 Год назад

DAMN GS... That was a fuckin' clinic... Outstanding sir! Cheers!

@KypopTHuK_ Год назад

Hello GS! Love your videos with tacview debriefs, they are my favourite ones. Thank you for your work!

@KalvyNoodle Год назад

"I love when you have a plan and it just works." TRUER WORDS.

@KarlGustov76 Год назад

Fun to watch, when Sidewinder flies the Viper, he talks about how amazing it is at the 2 circle and he dominates with it. Whenever he fights against the Viper "Sidewinder" usually defeats in a few moments. It really doesn't matter what he uses he very rarely loses.. Switch the pilot and the Mig will lose every fight.

@GrowlingSidewinder Год назад

well I have a few videos where the viper Absolutely dominates me, but in reality its all about fighting your own fight and forcing the other guy to do what you want if you do that, you can beat anything with anything, which is kind of the point I try to drive home in these videos.

@KarlGustov76 Год назад

@@GrowlingSidewinder that's why I watch, it fun and enjoyable watching you. Ill have to find the ones of you getting beat, that always makes me smile just a little... Keep up the good work! No do some F4 vs everything!

@korsair2009 Год назад

@@GrowlingSidewinder where did you learn all that BFM mechanics from?

@GrowlingSidewinder Год назад

some on my own, others from books, and a lot from real pilots nice enough to show me and teach me.

@poop-for-brains Год назад

I recommend another explainer on countering the offset counter. Like you were saying, an offset circle can surprise someone unfamiliar but when you're relying on that tactic and someone counters it, it's probably equally as surprising for an intermediate sim pilot like myself. Nice explainer on the concept, I'm familiar but still stuck around for the dogfights. That wing snap was stunning.

@pikuma Год назад

This was a great video! I am impressed by how well this technique worked.

@funkytownjedi Год назад

Thanks for the circle breakdown🎉

@Flow_Moonlight Год назад

That's some insane flying and very informative. I never knew the mig 29 even stood a chance against the viper.

@championknife Год назад

In 1991, in Germany, they compared the instant 29 they got from the GDR with f16, at that time the instant was completely superior to f16 in all respects, even then the MiGs had a system on the pilot's helmet that allowed them to shoot while looking at the enemy.

@AbcdEfgh-sq2tf Год назад

2:00 the High Yo-yos reminded me of the dogfighting used the Phantom pilots against the MiGs over Vietnam. I didn't expect the MiGs to be superior in the 2 circle over the Phantom...

@Vilsent Год назад

Very instructive video, thank you!!

@CNCTEMATIC Год назад

love it! that was so cool when you made him break his plane

@jesuschrist-alphaomega Год назад

I've been watching these on my 130 inch projection screen. With my sound system rounding out the experience. These are so much fun to watch.

@kainhighwind263 Год назад

Loved that explanation in the tacview!

@miguelruiz8183 Год назад

Little bit of Disrespect in that third round with that flare dump lol!!!

@DeadSkyWT Год назад

Poison Lips, with the Metal Grips, the Viper will pull you in and bleed you dry. Perfect motto for the F16.

@ItsShainess Год назад

This is the most educational video on this channel so far. Great content!

@JozMkII Год назад

“Come back around here, I just wanna talk to you real quick bud.” *Mutilates wing* “Aye La-eyed!”

@mrblablablabla Год назад

Fantastic! A video on how the Viper can deal with this would be grand

@arindamkumar7725 Год назад

Seeing an F-16 being defeated ina RATE fight is one of the most satisfying thing in life....

@xxZerosumxx Год назад

This Is why you have over 450k+ subs bro. Great tactics explanation. keep up the great work.

@directlocalmarketing Год назад

You have really inspired me to get into DCS, love your vids!

@thedonqwet Год назад

Glad ya did the tac view. Miss those

@natf5869 Год назад

Awesome video. You make it look so easy.

@shotameipariani4985 Год назад

Early this time, pretty sure it's going to be great as always. Would absolutely love to see F-35 against SU-57, either dogfight or intercept. I know there are vids on that already but if it ain't GS it aint it, man

@cloudforest4087 Год назад

This was very acrobatic. The way these 2 aircrafts use different flying techniques to down each other is stellar.

@rvnerd7671 Год назад

Great info. Great flying too!!

@GM-fh5jp Год назад

Loved that ground impact fireball @ 3:58...DCS graphics FTW!

@nafis6668 Год назад

we miss your tacview. thanks for showing it again. very nice for more educational theme.

@ssd3337 Год назад

Excellent skills! Got the idea, i hope it works in WT sim as well.

@scottyou5443 Год назад

New shirt idea: "Look at this" with a bandit pulled into the HUD screenshot

@abbaerfani9007 Год назад

Very clever move. Great fight by you GS again

@IntelWond Год назад

That was interesting, thank you!

@robbabcock_ Год назад

Awesome! These are highly addictive videos! 😎🔥🙌

@thomasharden2727 Год назад

That wing breaking was the funniest thing I’ve seen in awhile!

@jeaton1224 Год назад

Tac-view making a comeback! Love to see it GS! You’ll be at half a mil in no time!

@nikospitr Год назад

i knew gs is an amazing dog-fighter, but i could never imagine he can shoot down an enemy without even firing.. Insane :)

@florianN132 Год назад

Well - in fact he did shoot that enemy, just some moments before it ended... And that maneuver-kill wouldnt have been possible without that ;)

@ambasing638 Год назад

Another Gripen vs SU-57 would be amazing! Keep it up!

@hatoffnickel Год назад

Great video! Love to see the old Tacview back!!

@vized2415 Год назад

GS, this is straight up scary man. Your knowledge, awareness and intelligence is fucking terrifying

@tmting4942 Год назад

WAWOO..imagine you mix this offset technique with a precise differential thrust 🤯🦅

@teekayfourtwoone4686 Год назад

I was thinking, "I wish he'd do a debrief on this one, have not seen that in a long time". And you did. And even mentioned it had been a long time.

@gappleton8255 Год назад

I think this is your best video yet. Thanks!

@smorgasborgas Год назад

Love the content man keep it up, you explain the concepts of BFM so well! Would love to see some more stuff for the Mig21 if you ever get around to it!