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Suspected counterfeit 1853 Type 1 gold dollar. An eBAY purchase from Germany. Am I right? 

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I bought this in an auction on ebay germany from a reputable dealer with 100% feedback. Watch out and always question. Do you think this is a fake?

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@philipwagner7929
@philipwagner7929 7 лет назад
Not just a fake, but a BAD fake !
@bernardcolbert4523
@bernardcolbert4523 5 лет назад
Had you tried weighing it? I have a similar fake. Mine is a slightly better quality forgery. It weighs over a half a gram less than it should.
@coinenthusiast9991
@coinenthusiast9991 7 лет назад
I think you're very intuitive and I completely agree with your assessment of the coin. I would return it to the seller on Ebay for a full refund.
@Numistacker
@Numistacker 7 лет назад
+CoinEnthusiast a refund was approved now waiting for postage too
@coinenthusiast9991
@coinenthusiast9991 7 лет назад
Excellent! I'm glad everything is getting sorted out.
@locostacker
@locostacker Год назад
I bought an 1851 from a reputable dealer, sent it in to PCGS, and it came back "counterfeit - false dies". I never imagined that such a small coin would be counterfeited, especially in a lower grade. However, even with gold around $2000 per ounce, these coins only contain about $100 worth of gold, yet sell for $300+ in pretty much any condition. So I guess there is a market there for the counterfeiters. Luckily, my coin dealer not only refunded me the amount of my purchase, but gave me an extra $20 for the grading fee!
@donaldinnewmexico
@donaldinnewmexico 7 лет назад
Hi Numi, The beading around the obverse looks uneven and too far from the rim. The nose on Liberty looks large near the forehead. Am I seeing things? Thanks Donald
@andrewselle1420
@andrewselle1420 4 года назад
I’ve messaged many sellers on eBay explaining their coins are fake. I’d say 5/10 are receptive and the others hate to admit they’re wrong and got took. They also don’t want to lose out on their purchase so they pass it off on the poor saps on eBay. Dangerous place it can be.
@semperfi_ny
@semperfi_ny 2 года назад
I have a 1853 that was found in my grandfathers collection when he past away. It looks took good to be true. It was in an envelope and the details are super crisp. There are a couple coin dealers (more of hacks) in my area that I do NOT trust and have screwed me over in the past. Any recommendations?
@amazingthings1396
@amazingthings1396 7 лет назад
What's the weight of it.?
@walt2t
@walt2t 7 лет назад
Looks very different, smart move sending it back.
@carloszava7761
@carloszava7761 Год назад
Hi how are u .I got the real coin uncirculated .how much is it worth
@brianleonard6885
@brianleonard6885 2 года назад
Unless decam hmm I agree with you. Did it test as gold ?
@Silveready1
@Silveready1 7 лет назад
hard to tell, but surfaces look a little too shiney and "proofy" for a business strike, "lustre" looks like a plating to me and face detail looks a little odd - let us know what you find out.
@Numistacker
@Numistacker 7 лет назад
+Silveready1 it's going back on Monday and I will get a refund. No apology so far from the seller.
@marquescameron2459
@marquescameron2459 4 года назад
I like the half eagles as well. It's affordable, easily attainable and it has value.
@leoknight2913
@leoknight2913 7 лет назад
Come on dude. it is so fake. get your money back. press charges. on a side note, I love your channel. big fan here
@leoknight2913
@leoknight2913 7 лет назад
my bad, this was 5 months ago. big fan
@sh4969
@sh4969 Год назад
I just brought one from cambridgeshire coins today my collecting starting getting change through my businessI have a couple of proof two pence piece both worth £20.00
@papavalium
@papavalium 7 лет назад
With the amount of coins you are dealing with, and the value, I would buy one of those digital sensors that can tell you write away if the coins are real. For the medals, it might be a great help too.
@Numistacker
@Numistacker 7 лет назад
papavalium that maybe worth looking at
@BackyardBullion
@BackyardBullion 7 лет назад
Something dosent look right to me Numi. Have you tested it is real gold? at least if it is made of gold not a total loss!
@Numistacker
@Numistacker 7 лет назад
Backyard Bullion it will be returned for a full credit. I don't know if it's gold but there are many $1 fakes around
@keilispaes4423
@keilispaes4423 4 года назад
tengo una de esas la quisiera vender 3234749759
@ramonrodolfobogado4738
@ramonrodolfobogado4738 5 лет назад
tengo una moneda de oro de 1853 la quiero vender ,que vale
@luisangelsanchezsanchez6285
@luisangelsanchezsanchez6285 3 года назад
Buenas noches soy de Venezuela ...tengo una moneda de esa tiene 13 estrellas la cara es igual ...pero en la parte de atrás tiene un aguila y dice one D no tiene fecha y es muy pequeña ...inusual para ser una moneda ...quien me puede ayudar con información de la misma...gracias
@francisdaniel3588
@francisdaniel3588 7 лет назад
those small dings on the rim are a 100% tell that its a copy. when you look it up experts say that counterfeits sometimes have that exactly on the rim like yours.
@Numistacker
@Numistacker 7 лет назад
francis daniel yes the rim does seem a big giveaway and it's very different from my slabbed one.
@therealayygee1748
@therealayygee1748 4 года назад
@@Numistacker I have a 1852 d gold dollar. Wondering if you would like to see it
@ConsideringPhlebas
@ConsideringPhlebas 7 лет назад
Break it open and see if there's chocolate inside. Also, the hair looks totally different from the genuine one.
@jorgearturofernandezzuniga4393
@jorgearturofernandezzuniga4393 4 года назад
Cordial saludo desde Colombia tengo una moneda similar de oro sino que en su reverso dice 4 reales año1864 también colecciono quiero de ustedes que me pueden decir al respecto de esta moneda tendrá algún valor será rara y su país de origen
@chris7brook
@chris7brook 10 месяцев назад
Did you ever get your coin tested to see if it was a counterfeit or not? I just picked up a slabbed 1853 1$ gold coin. It's real!
@derf2170
@derf2170 5 лет назад
I think you need to get a metal tester machine
@user-ws9zg9yt8z
@user-ws9zg9yt8z Месяц назад
I think so about it is real, i have one very used, and. For time i trying to find more information, i have for years
@theradiounderground7298
@theradiounderground7298 4 года назад
seems just to have too large a diameter too
@silviolimadesouza8206
@silviolimadesouza8206 Год назад
Tenho uma moeda desta original, está comigo a mais de 50 anos, 1 dollar de ouro de 1855. Posso vender se a proposta for justa.
@amandakellywalker
@amandakellywalker 4 года назад
Hi, my husband found two 1853 US gold one dollar coins this morning while out swimming with a metal detector. Would you or anyone you might know be interested? They were found at a beach in Malta. Can send photos. Thanks
@JR-qr3kl
@JR-qr3kl 7 лет назад
Eek. The reeded edge looks beaded!
@ruthgodfrey6955
@ruthgodfrey6955 Год назад
I'm seeing what you are seeing. Too bad
@silverdiva2127
@silverdiva2127 7 лет назад
If everything is wrong its probably not right. Sorry Numi.
@meteoman7958
@meteoman7958 7 лет назад
The comments below have pretty well covered everything I could say. At least you can send it back. Irritating, though.
@markstewart8821
@markstewart8821 7 лет назад
Purchased a similar coin on eBay before Christmas. When it arrived, it was clearly a fake, quite a few blemishes, no trace of the word 'Liberty' on the head, but very little wear on the other side of the coin. Received refund from seller, he had purchased them from a 'cash converter' Now just sticking to slabbed coins, however with the $ so strong, things are just too expensive.
@Numistacker
@Numistacker 7 лет назад
+Mark Stewart I think that we will have to be ever more vigilant because even slabbed coins can now be counterfeit too.
@juboobuj7593
@juboobuj7593 7 лет назад
Numistacker yes there are fake coins in fake slabs
@mikedennington8856
@mikedennington8856 6 лет назад
Always buy slabbed, always check the number, always use PayPal and credit card, always buy if they offer returns.Never trust dealers they sell fakes as well.
@jeffw1267
@jeffw1267 Год назад
That coin looks like a plastic toy, which is a bad sign.
@monetka6900
@monetka6900 7 лет назад
😊
@amazingthings1396
@amazingthings1396 7 лет назад
I think it is fake, does not smell an American dollar at all!! There is nothing as much as I can see to be similar with a US dollar! You are definitely right on your point of viewing this coin.
@Numistacker
@Numistacker 7 лет назад
Nikos Manoli thanks Nikos. I just wish I had noticed when I bought it ))
@rhondaknight3612
@rhondaknight3612 Год назад
To me it looks like the quality isn't there.
@cameronmccreary4758
@cameronmccreary4758 Год назад
The problem with that coin is it looks like it's been electropolished therefore even IF it was real.the value is ruined.
@damonz83
@damonz83 7 лет назад
I'm sorry to say its looks fake to me, the rim is wrong the beading isn't the same the stars look different, so many things to get you worried. And as you say the head is totally different and wrong. I am surprised you brought it with your experience even tho you trusted the seller. I am far from a expert but I would say its 100% fake, even if it had 1 wrong feature I would suspect a fake
@drake8065
@drake8065 7 лет назад
It seems like you do a lot of coin buying, so haven't you ever thought of investing in a Sigma Metalytics that way you could pretty much verify this kind of stuff as soon as you receive it, mind you it's not cheap by any means, I believe it's almost $800.
@Numistacker
@Numistacker 7 лет назад
Drake I asked for 11 others on the silver forum to co own one but no takers
@drake8065
@drake8065 7 лет назад
lol
@toyman81
@toyman81 4 года назад
I hope you you received your refund, If not how much did you lose my friend?
@vaultkeeper9276
@vaultkeeper9276 7 лет назад
Looks like a combination of a California fractional and a $1. Someone being creative.
@Numistacker
@Numistacker 7 лет назад
Vault Keeper that's what I felt. Liberty not quite right.
@swipethestones6723
@swipethestones6723 Месяц назад
Looks absolutely terrible, but thats coming from someone who regularly interacts with US precious metal content currency. Be like me buying sovereigns. Id get a few counterfeit ones, but you would know better. I'm so glad you get refunded on that one.
@nestorvillamil7530
@nestorvillamil7530 3 года назад
Yo tengo una original
@hamzabakadir4754
@hamzabakadir4754 2 года назад
5oya kayna 3ndiy whda
@Wally-yd7vh
@Wally-yd7vh Год назад
Reeding is off , looks like jewelry cameo
@SaintOsburh
@SaintOsburh 7 лет назад
i'm a total noob and it definitely looks fake to me, in comparison with the other coin. The face on the fake is more crude than on the genuine coin and the stars aren't as dainty.
@Numistacker
@Numistacker 7 лет назад
Anarchy Snake I am not sure how I ended up buying it. I guess because it came from a genuine seller with 100% feedback I got taken in
@SaintOsburh
@SaintOsburh 7 лет назад
Bad for the seller's reputation.
@michaels.numismaticsandcol1366
100 percent counterfit try weighn it
@Goldsilvercopperbullion
@Goldsilvercopperbullion 3 года назад
Look how much larger it is
@theradiounderground7298
@theradiounderground7298 4 года назад
MAN A FAKE 1.5 GRAM COIN. SCARY
@billymarcum9163
@billymarcum9163 2 года назад
I've been burnt by scrupulous eBay sellers on both gold and silver.expesillay trade dollars it's fake the luster is way too shiny for that aged of a gold coin. I get , my money back as well.when you set it besides the graded coin you can see the difference.thecoin you purchased looks like it came straight out of the u.s. mint
@genesiscastillo5553
@genesiscastillo5553 3 года назад
Tengo una moneda de esas pequeña de oro
@jimmydinks
@jimmydinks 7 лет назад
I have a couple of those and that one is definitely counterfeit Look at the chin on Lady Liberty and that hair that she has is awful. Lustor should have told you something for sure. Good thing you can get your money back if from ebay.
@tomwatson2032
@tomwatson2032 7 лет назад
the rim looks suspicious and also the orientation of both sides of the design is wrong
@Numistacker
@Numistacker 7 лет назад
Tom Watson thanks Tom I think that when you see the rim in particular you then really do know it does not seem like a genuine coin
@ramonrodolfobogado4738
@ramonrodolfobogado4738 5 лет назад
tengo 1 deolar de oro de 1853
@johanfloydchan1210
@johanfloydchan1210 7 лет назад
Hi Numistacker that coin is fake I have one that is 1853 and that coin that you have is counterfeit I would totally report that to ebay and put that on the seller's feedback remark for trying sell counterfeit
@TerminallyUnique95
@TerminallyUnique95 Год назад
At first glance it looked like a cheap piece of plastic.
@Dr.G
@Dr.G 7 лет назад
I have two fake quarter eagles that look a lot better than that. Horrible reproduction. Thanks for sharing.
@Numistacker
@Numistacker 7 лет назад
+Dr. G in hindsight yes I agree totally
@keilispaes4423
@keilispaes4423 4 года назад
tengo una pero noce si es real quisiera que me ayuden 3234749759
@michellahor6218
@michellahor6218 2 года назад
It looks like a recent-made coin, I would think that if you look with a microscope at the surface that yoy'll notice the difference with a genuine one. I make fake money myself but just for the fun of it, never have selled one and never will, I'm not a thief. But yes it is a fake and not very well made.
@markiswilliams5428
@markiswilliams5428 4 года назад
The hair the crown the hub
@Beachbumartist
@Beachbumartist 7 лет назад
Yeah just by looking at it like the hair and color and the left ones head looks off osme like a different size slightly Sorry man I think it's a fake.
@khumeshjhakhar7551
@khumeshjhakhar7551 2 года назад
Hamara pass ha America ka koine
@979thomas
@979thomas 7 лет назад
It is definitely a fake.
@yinyangja
@yinyangja 7 лет назад
Of course I can't judge that. But the coin is kinda ugly and maybe you don't want it even if it is real.
@theradiounderground7298
@theradiounderground7298 4 года назад
seeing them next to each other. so fake.
@shibbidydoowop
@shibbidydoowop 2 года назад
That coin looks awful when viewed up close
@orlitangulorodriguez2585
@orlitangulorodriguez2585 4 года назад
Cuanto bale undolar de 1853 no es de oro
@NickyVEE89
@NickyVEE89 4 года назад
fake got a real one in my hand.... that rim is total wack
@seane1687
@seane1687 7 лет назад
100% fake. Rims are all wrong, design wrong, etc. looks like a California gold token design. I was always told to buy graded gold dollars cause they're so highly counterfeited. I bought a type 2 1855 raw from my reputable dealer, and it was cracked out of a old ngc holder graded AU 50. Sent it into ngc came back au53.
@Numistacker
@Numistacker 7 лет назад
+Sean E it's gone back to Germany to be refunded. Really I should have known and feel silly )) Great to get an 1855 that is not details ..
@josecamposzabaletabarreto7881
@josecamposzabaletabarreto7881 2 года назад
Trduccion en Español
@carloszava7761
@carloszava7761 Год назад
Please get back at me
@marcelaserna419
@marcelaserna419 4 года назад
Disculpe quedé gringo.
@johnjmarin.c9759
@johnjmarin.c9759 5 лет назад
Yo
@johnjmarin.c9759
@johnjmarin.c9759 5 лет назад
Mucho fake.losiento
@elvis4428
@elvis4428 8 месяцев назад
the "United States Of America" all the written texts are so far from the edge....... too clean coin as well
@IrisFinch1930
@IrisFinch1930 7 лет назад
Definitely fake!
@theradiounderground7298
@theradiounderground7298 4 года назад
looks too flat, the liberty head face is very dull too.
@billygagne2139
@billygagne2139 7 лет назад
it's a cast maybe gold but it's definitely not the coin I don't think that coin has ridges on the side or maybe it does but it's fake it's a good one too not.. people are assholes
@papavalium
@papavalium 7 лет назад
This is 100% FAKE. The wear is not right, the look, and the coins are just different.
@Numistacker
@Numistacker 7 лет назад
papavalium yes it's crazy this was sold by a dealer who should know better
@bsd9230
@bsd9230 7 лет назад
looks fake 100%%
@abuobaidah2531
@abuobaidah2531 7 лет назад
100%fake
@ldi007
@ldi007 7 лет назад
Fake
@mm-oe7tk
@mm-oe7tk 7 лет назад
Looks fake to me...
@Numistacker
@Numistacker 7 лет назад
m m thanks
@phretbord
@phretbord 4 года назад
Definitely a fake! Better luck next time!
@RandolphRelicRecovery
@RandolphRelicRecovery 5 лет назад
Bad copy in my opinion. Shame.
@LarryStendebach
@LarryStendebach 7 лет назад
Sorry buddy 100% fake. Return ASAP!
@Numistacker
@Numistacker 7 лет назад
+Larry Stendebach I am not sure how I bid in. It )) looking back it seems so obvious...
@LarryStendebach
@LarryStendebach 7 лет назад
It can happen to any of us (if you want to see something very scary, check out my video on an AU 1893-S Morgan in a fake PCGS holder). Bad internet pictures = hides fakes. Often it is very minor details that you need to see the coin in hand. Either way, glad you are getting a refund,.
@robertmorris2900
@robertmorris2900 7 лет назад
I'm sorry.. Fake..
@Esoterre
@Esoterre 6 лет назад
Fake!
@philiploomis2768
@philiploomis2768 7 лет назад
FAKE
@ritakriz6186
@ritakriz6186 4 года назад
terrible fake
@monetka6900
@monetka6900 7 лет назад
😊
@Numistacker
@Numistacker 7 лет назад
Monetka your comments dont apprear immediately as they assume that just an emoticon is spam ))
@cs1solo
@cs1solo 5 лет назад
Fake
@bsd9230
@bsd9230 7 лет назад
looks fake 100%%
@theoperator9474
@theoperator9474 2 года назад
Fake
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