SUZUKI SAMURAI: How Fake News Killed Suzuki | Up To Speed 

I have a suspicion that they did it (and continue to do it) for more than just the samurai. Don't ever listen to, or take advice from, consumer reports.

Honestly, I always thought Consumer Reports was a reputable source, I know this happened a long time ago but I'll never trust them again.

David Lindsey same feeling! A story like this should have destroyed them. Suzuki should have gone forward with the lawsuit to teach these third party companies a lesson on fair reviews. I believe in these cases, company reps must be present during testing.

They also had just purchased a new building and were on the verge of bankruptcy. They were looking for an issue that would prove that Consumer Reports was necessary and up their magazine sales. For years they fought in court stating that they were performing a public service, therefor Suzuki should not be able to sue them. Isuzu also sued for the Trooper II and won.

@@davidlindsey6514 I've never thought CR was a reputable source, especially when it comes to cars. On the other hand, I drove a Suzuki Samarai in the 90s. Absolute junk! Horrible. And don't forget CR always trashes the Jeep Wrangler.

@Aryan Thakur thats sick

My guess is that journalist was on money red so(made the fake news) the Samurai was axed out in US

they started early with the fake news.

Yes, but I think there's a few small differences in the global spec Suzuki Samurai and the India spec Gypsy, most probably the engine. Gypsy originally had a tiny 1.0L NA engine and then a 1.3L NA

I have driven a Samurai, they were not as bad as they say, but it was to be respected.

Don't sell good products to America

Or any kinds of product to them

11 Hours after posting, still underrated comment lol

Chad btw

You are right, if by "male Karen" you mean someone paid by Chrysler. One does not risk his reputation just to randomly spite a small car maker, there had to be something bigger behind it.

I have no idea why but I feel like nancy Pelosi was some how involved in this

Fake news, and the failure of people to handle fake news, is f-ing up the world. People cry "fake news" without basis, and when there is actual "fake news" there is no consequence for lying out of your backside.

And we can't have shit in Detroit.

@@achmadtaufiqurrohman0282 is it illegal to take a shit In detroit?

im in arizona and have a registered Suzuki samurai. its not illegal as far as i know

This country was founded on the idea of fake news, dont like it get out.

@@whateverguy3600 I think he means new ones

You've had this since 1988 and it hasn't flipped over yet? 😱Amazing!

@@grandetaco4416 If you already know the testing was rigged in order to make them flip, and know that they aren't as easy to flip as the Bronco 2, why would you ask such a dumb question?

Thank you

Hey man, How’s the restoration process going?!

@@vwbug1975 ever heard of sarcasm?

I was watching the 2019 New York Auto Show video from Regular Car Reviews yesterday and saw that Suzuki taunted us Anglo North Americans with a Jimny we can likely never have. :(

American here, living in Japan. Just bought a Jimny 3rd Gen :)

We have them, only '95 is the last model. My neighbor actually drives one.

American here, living in the Philippines. Just trying to decide if I really want one due to the fact that they cost very similarly to a hilux and you soo much with a hilux.

Shoot my dad owned 2 samurais and his friend owned like 4 of them.

That's why you never listen to consumer reports.

But we had the Ford Bronco II, which actually rolled over and killed people, which was ok

Donutdoode69 but guess what they are still being sold there in America because it is not an import. I swear America hates losing lol

Not this US driver, one of my neighbors growing up had one, and used to use it anytime it snowed, I would trust it over his 4x4 Diesel trucks he had at the time.

@@arkekkers No it's just the government that hates losing.

They actually modified the course by shortening the distance between the cones and ran it 32 more times than the other vehicles they tested that day (Jeep Wrangler and Isuzu Rodeo). In the raw footage there's the voice of a Consumers Union VP demanding "You tip that car or I'll find someone who will!". Even the driver logs from their most seasoned driver said, "The Suzuki Samurai poses no significant safety risk and outperforms all vehicles tested today."

@Lee Iacoca Judging from your comment and grammar. You seem to lack intelligence.

@@nrgzrbny Yes..... all of us watched the video as well.... There's no need to repeat the audio word for word as though they are your own thoughts/opinions.

I don't know of any other scandals that they were found to have taken part in, but that doesn't mean there aren't any. However, overall they are the exact opposite of shady. The idea of making a whole magazine based upon holding companies accountable for their products and claims by paying verified customers to submit feedback on products after a certain length of ownership is an _excellent_ idea that benefits everyone in our society. They gather and compile LOTS of feedback data from customers and sell "packages" of this data to the companies involved for them to use as a guide for how to improve the next iteration of their product(s). (I just realized I am actually thinking of the J.D. Power Survey, which is for vehicles specifically, but Consumer Reports operates under the same philosophy and goal of simply informing consumers and holding companies accountable to encourage meaningful improvements, so I still think that they should be seen as a force for good that simply might have had some bad apples, or temporary lapses of judgement due to external pressures of the time)

Yeah, its like a cheap but more reliable Wrangler

It's the same here in israel

They're everywhere in germany

yep same in Indo

Same in South Africa

What was his reaction?

!remindme 72hrs

Yeah how did he reacted

It is already three days. Is your dad ok? What did he say?

Day 3 Update: Father is unresponsive. He must be in shock that he was wrong this whole time and can’t seem to grapple with this fact. He left yesterday to get cigarettes and I’m hopeful that he will return soon.

Can confirm, they’re actually quiet stable on the road. I spent many a times trying to get a little 3 wheel action on roundabouts back in the day but nooooo haha. In australia they’re badged as a sierra

good

Laughing in my lifted daihatsu rocky🤣

Someday I’ll buy a Suzuki samurai or geo tracker I love it

Hahaha lol "got scold by my mom because someone snitched that i donut her 4th gen jimny in her farm" This small, economy boxes are freaking beasts when it comes to carrying stuff across terrains

$30k in NZ for the nice one.

yup, i got it after 1 year of waiting list in indonesia.

Im about to order one this week, wait time as of nov 2021 is 4 - 6 months. Australia.

it was also sold under the name Holden Drover!

@@charlieshaw5380 Looks like they're Holden off on delivery

In Siberia also

Same in Indonesia, people seem to love the new Jimny

i want a jimny

@@kj_me we want the jimny

Philippines here, I want the Jimny!

Fiat-Chrysler sued Mahindra for building an off-road only Roxor, which was the closest we could get in the U.S.

Cocky Jeep owner got flexed on real hard

Sad our government tells us what is safe to drive

The fact literally jeep wranglers tip just as much is horrid.

The feel off accomplishment and badass 🔥

might see that sign on pawn stars now lol

Good to know some people have faith in their own common sence.

damn that was a bargain

Here here- cheers 🍺

Cheers!

Cheers.....

Cheers!

Cheers mates !

If you know they actually opened and assembled the car in about 60 seconds lol

Ye bhai

It was used extensively by police too

Yo i still have one.

@@bhartishingole854 Don't forget Bolero

Self inflicted wound; many Americans blindly boast of stupid things. Same nonsense happend when Tesla (an American company) came round. Everyone started hating it. Tesla is/was(?) more American than many American automobile companies. Lies, deception, manipulation, ... all propelled by idiots blindly voting by emotion.

@@commenterperson4481 I agree. I watch people time and time again buy another American car and complain because of all the things going wrong with them in less than 5 years. I swear most American manufacturers just bank on people buying their cars just because they're domestic and don't bother to actually make a quality product that can directly compete with imports. While at the same time we have laws in place that make it more difficult for outside manufacturers to sell their cars in the states.

@@jameswilson8907 i agree

Exactly, look at what they did to Isuzu.

@@SonofthePhantom wait, what happened to isuzu?!

since the launch of the latest jimny, there has been a wait time of 2-5 years in UK, japan, New Zealand and South africa, those people love small 4X4 cars.

Perfectly logical when you factor in American logic (or lack thereof).

@@192lalo Yes but no, its not the government's job to protect international companies from competition from the market. Case in point the fact that after the lawsuit the government did not investigate nor punished Consumer Reports

It's business...

Alexis Rivera but that’s what they did for Harley-Davidson in the 1980s.

not here in asia, they're one of the top selling brands here

Because it is very poor build quality and outdated features

This.

DIVYANSH TYAGI my 2006 Suzuki Grand Vitara has 180XXX kms on it and apart from regular maintenance, I’ve only had to replace the battery. They’re mint

Lucas Van Hamburg hahaha for real

Even though it won't last because of emissions In France they already stopped selling it

Same in the Middle East, they do sell Jinmy there.

EU legislation pushed it out this year.

"136hp is enough for a 4wd". Yeah nah suzuki is somehow dead but also making cars.

Suzuki is a laundry for the triads.

And wholly less capable. At least the new ones. The old ones are pretty damn capable.

@@AustinH7 Why are the new ones less capable?

@@r2in360 that was posted by a jeep owner, guaranteed!

@@AustinH7 if you are talking "stock, unmodified"... I'll take the Jimny!

It would be more likely a Thar now. Instead of current gen Jimny

More like, you should just trust your instincts and do your own research, rather than relying on magazine reviews.

@@MeNoWorryYouNoWorry I get what you are saying but it's hard to do your own research when a lot of sources that used to be regarded as reliable turn out to be less than honest. Not everyone has the resources to to test drive multiple cars and run them through rigorous testing. That is the problem, I think that companies like this need to be regulated to a high standard and VERY PUBLICLY nailed to the wall with huge fines when they do shady stuff like on this case.

Consumer Reports should have to pay your aunt and everyone else whose Samuri lost value because of their false report.

@@MeNoWorryYouNoWorry well people nowadays do their own research but the "I fucking love science" and "trust the science" group of fat balding soy hate that so now we're in deep shit

I wouldn't recommend judging an entire company based on a single incident from decades ago that was only about a specific type of product. Overall, what they do is very good and helpful to us consumers. Gathering and processing consumer feedback at the national level in order to help people make informed purchasing decisions and to hold companies accountable for their claims, as well as encourage meaningful improvements, is unquestionably a service that is beneficial to everyone. However, considering what they did to the adorable Samurai, I think it's safe to take their reports with a grain of salt and simply compare their results with at least 1 or 2 other sources instead of relying on their word alone.

Not a fiasco. Consumer Reports did their testing and Suzuki lost their lawsuits against CR.

After seeing this I was kind surprised” Consumer Report, you too? “

@@rsmith02 then why did consumer reports pay out suzuki and print a retraction?

What’s your name man?

@Lord Mahaveer Maldonado

So true

@@jg5001 Dork

@@enclavevideo I cant blame my wife for forcing me to watch it with her tho.

We have raid de himalaya..which is a pretty gnarly rally course..which is till date dominated by the gypsies..that's what it's called here..and the indian army uses them too.

I have mine going 4 years now never had a roll ..... the dam thing is awesome , Americans are just f@$led up like that . Going to buy the new Jimmy next

@@kahlilchin9890 we rolled it when we ramped it to high. It just rolled over onto the top, and was still running for a while. Just got out and tipped it back over lol. Luckily we've got a good roll cage. Got our samari for 800

@@adamr6498 I drive mine stock, runs like a charm.

Don't try fast with a jeep wrangler it feels like driving a bar of soap in the rain

(Wagen)

G wagons are stupid cars, stupid.

고등 지능 ODINS trash oh dear looks like we got an upset Landy fanboy here

@@dietznutz1 they are stupid, extremely overpriced

Timesplitter at what point did I say new ones

i have a 1988 i just put tags on it today and its insured?

@@davidervin4853 that was then.

No it wasn’t I have an had many. They wouldn’t be continued to import after the model.

Sorry bro, I bought a 1992 Samuri, had it insured and kept driving it for 17years! Damn I miss that car.

I know someone in CA that has a Samurai and it's perfectly street legal. Where did you read that?

Top 10 cars for movie people😳

Top 10 Bond movie cars.

The last one needs to be done

Movies for car ppl! Always tryina find new ones

Are you guys 10?

You live over there eh cool! Just started my channel where I take trucks to the mountains and break em Hoping to make some people laugh.

من جد

I really love mine! I Live in Denmark(Europe)

@@lukegalt8105 hey hey luke guess what, WHO NEEDS A JIMNY RIGHT? haha Americans

Luke Galt We have the Ford Bronco now, which will appeal to the American market more than the Jimny. The Jimny is pretty cool but it’s too small and weak for American consumers’ tastes.

Sounds like a rattly rattle dream off roader

What do you think it means?

1 sub before 2021? I just subscribed

This is why I love living in a third world country, no one can say a car is unsafe since our public transport is unsafe lmao

I just got an ‘86 Jimny! It’s lovely. I’m in Washington state and insurance is exactly the same as it was for my 79 733i. I.e. not much.

The Roxor is not a road legal vehicle, but merely a side by side.

Daimler-Chrysler was "forced" to do a costly redesign the Jeep (widen the track) because of the same crap. Their fender flares are part of the result. I'm sure they had butt-hurt, and were no doubt in support of the anti-Sami propaganda.

@@jmackinjersey1 It's my understanding, that with the proper equipment added, there are states that will issue a road title and plates.

@@norsefalconer , Who is going to add all of the safety equipment, like air bags, crumple zones, ABS/Stability Control etc? It is more than simply adding brake lights and turn signals. These are 4 wheeled vehicles, not 3 wheeled vehicles which fall under the Motorcycle classification and do not need those items. I know that California makes you Register All vehicles, be they off road only, like dirt bikes and side by sides. But those are not registered for street use, that is a money grab.

@@norsefalconer What? When was this "force" and by whom? Otherwise I call Farce. I know that the Wrangler was widened by Jeep for other reasons, and the fender flares were on there far longer than the wider axles to keep mud, rocks and other debris from hitting not only the other vehicles on the road, but also the driver and passengers. Ask me how I know. Even with the fender flares on, when you have your window rolled down or the doors off, you'll still get a face full of crap when you turn the steering wheel and have the ground speed fast enough.

I want that to be in every episode of UpToSpeed

@@Khiladi_99 me too

It actually took me off guard and I had to rewind haha, I wouldn’t mind it in more videos either!

@@Khiladi_99 me too

sounds like jeep/american manufacturers lobbyism

That's what they can do to car manufacturers. Imagine what they could do to green energy companies when they get to become big enough to outsell fossil fuels. Capitalism at it's finest.

@@s_ame1135 not capitalism, it's corporatism

Sounds like big corporate favoritism.

Amazing! This is so true !

They shouldn’t have made the samurai out of business luckily i live in India

Oh yeah my cousin has it, it's all beaten up and still runs like hell but takes too much gas.

Prashant Kerung toooo much gas, true that

@@tormentor6737 SJ30/SJ40 or second gen jimny from 1981. From the video American version looks smaller because a standard gypsy king has rear passenger capacity of of four. In Wikipedia The Indian built SJ-410 has only ever been available in a long-wheelbase version. The Gypsy remains in production for the Indian Subcontinent market. The version still produced in India by Maruti Suzuki is the Maruti Gypsy King, using the sixteen valve, 80 hp (60 kW) 1.3 liter G13 engine. The Gypsy King has proved popular with the Indian armed forces and police units.

My daily is a gypsy too. Terrible to drive. Bad economy. But still so much fun. Can't wait for the (new) jimny to reach india

Sahi baat bhai

In Pakistan suzuki potohar (gypsy) discontinued in 2000 after that we have 3rd gen and now we have new 4th gen JDM model jimny in Pakistan.....

Trueeeeeee🔥🔥

India have home grown brand that still makes original Jeeps licensed, we have wranglers too coz jeep is officially available in india , we have home grown wrangler competition too . Soon, SUZUKI will start the biggest production facility for the gimny thats in india. Suzuki is planning a lwb version specifically for india and then might export it to other countries as well. So , soon Pakistan might start getting cheaper gimnies coz of the production facility in india.

Bhai har bollywood movie ma police ka pas hota ha 2nd gen jimny

Si compra el manual le vendo la miniconsola central, por error la pedí para el automático y no entra ni a palo.

get one here in Puerto Rico and ship it to the mainland US.

Now we will sell more samurai in USA 😊

Lol underdog? They set that record with a stock Jeep and it was beat by a highly modified Samuri that was running a supercharged 4 cylinder under the hood. The Jeep was the underdog

somethingtough they still broke the record. And they are still an underdog cuz suzuki isnt all that popular in the name of cars here in the states. I can count the amount of times ive seen a suzuki car on one hand. And im pretty sure that theres been modified jeeps that have driven up the pass, theres no way there hasnt been

Back in 1989 Jeep was still an AMC company. Mopar purchased them in 1990. IMHO one of the biggest POS 4x4's was the Bronco II.

@@somethingtough Are you on drugs? The "stock Jeep" you are talking about was a brand new, top of the range Rubicon Unlimited "factory prepared" for offroad in oxygen-deprived high altitude environments; it also had winches and special tyres. The team running the Jeeps (there were 2 of them) had many support vehicles and a full team of Jeep mechanics with them. The drivers were part of a professional offroad racing team from Germany. Did I mention the whole stint was sponsored, planned and conceived by Jeep? The suzuki was a 1986 model with a supercharger off a Mercedes C class Kompressor (DIY fitted, there is no kit for such a conversion), lifted suspension and some tyres, prepared and driven by 2 amateur mechanics and offroad drivers, with no support vehicles, no external sponsorships and financing. So who is the underdog here?

@@thudtheace I never had a Bronco II, but remember when they came out. Even then I did not like them. They seemed to be a cheap plastic copy of the original (1965-1977), the vehicle nich they were meant to recapture. IMO, the biggest problem is Ford left out what made the original desirable. In hindsight the B2 should have been designed with a removable top and an interior that you would not fear getting rained on. That might have made the desirable even today. As is now, unlike 40 year old CJs, no one cares about saving them or rebuilding them.

same thing is going to haooen to huawei tick tok and many others overseas company

@@blackpinkoffical yeah... Huawei isn't owned by the "former" head of China's intelligence agency or anything...

@@blackpinkoffical I can't tell if your comment is in favor of or against those companies or if overseas is including CR. No comment on their reputation, but they are based out of New York.

Americans are all about liability and litigation. Cars that are sold must be "safe" or else the manufacturer will get sued and banned. But people can do whatever they want as now that's their own fault. It's not about keeping people safe, it's about avoiding blame and lawsuits.

@Coni Glione I think it was more a matter of the Consumer Reports people having a grudge against it, then getting stuck in a mindset of confirmation bias and wishing to make their own reality than find the actual truth. They set out to show that it was dangerous, and that's what they did, regardless of the truth. While the US auto industry has famously done a lot of crappy things to keep out foreign competitors, I don't get the sense, at least based on this video, that Jeep had any role in it this time. But if thinking of Jeep and other similar vehicles, if Consumer Reports were being fair they should have done the same over-the-top tests, performed exactly the same, with other vehicles and see if they too tipped when pushed that far.

1200 horsepower? What the fuck, are people driving around in P-51 Mustangs now?

1200 horsepower? What the fuck, are people driving around in P-51 Mustangs now?

@@quillmaurer6563 I rally doubt that the Jimny rolls over easily than American sold landyachts like the Tahoe and such.

They banned it.

@@professorofficer9609 no: 3rd gen it's still in Suzuki's catalogue. Second gen models has been called Santana in Italy until the 90s and then Samurai

Ai dreptate, d-asta nu prea isi bat capu companii mari cu americanii

@@professorofficer9609 Not banned really, it has to with manufacturer CO2 limits.

Hughh those new Jimnys are looking so good. I live in Canada and most of the Suzuki off-roaders legacy is slowly falling into rust, or pieces or both at the same time. Good condition Suzuki 4x4s are now a rarity

YESSSS

One gets ls-swapped the other gets a rotary

@@bettyspaghetti678 a rotary would be horrendous off-road. Pretty much no low end torque

I like this idea a lot

Adam Thompson i stan

Ahmed Is King 🗣 Jeeeeeeeeeeeppppppp

Either Jeep or GM for sure

Ahhh the greatness of capitalism

The samurai is a jeep killer.

Luke's workout exactly. They were selling twice as much when they came out

did we watch the same video?

Fun story: the first jeep was based on a compact truck built by a company called American Bantam. It was optioned by the US Army Quartermaster Corps for modification as a light transport carrier, and then they sent the plans to over a hundred car companies. Ford and Willys overland were the only ones that built one to compete for the contract. Henry Ford was basically trying to steal the truck and take over production for the war effort, and Ford was actually the company that invented the stamped slotted grill that became symbolic of jeeps. Willys was the third or fourth company to build a jeep, even checker, the cab company, put together three crate jeeps from bantam when bantam contracted with them to expand production capacity. Bantam was relegated to building jeep trailers after the army gave away their plans, willys overland died off when they were bought out by Kaiser after a decade of legal battle with bantam about the patents for the jeep, kaiser jeep died when chrysler bought them, and now it's all Fiat. Jeep is a lie.

I’m tired of seeing so many goddamn keeps so I’d like to see a Suzuki destroy a Jeep

고등 지능 ODINS trash RU-vid it lol

I knew a guy who was a mechanic that had one he turned into an absolute offroad beast. He fitted a V8 into it somehow. It was crazy

@@DaveCM I fit a v8 (92 mustang 5.0L) into a 94 miata. THAT was crazy.

*cough* like the NRA *cough*

Consumer Reports still does the same kind of thing. If every car was "good" people wouldn't buy their magazine. Fiat is the latest automotive casualty due to lack of Consumer Reports favor. They literally counted buyer's difficulty with pairing Bluetooth on the 500L as a "reliability" issue. They failed to recognize the one-year issues of transmission problems of the 500L (which mysteriously only affected US models with the exact same transmission as European models which seemed unaffected), did not continue into the second year of production and continued to lambast the later year models for perceived reliability issues that had been resolved after the first year. Many of their judgments are purely "opinion" but they pass them off as fact. For example, on the Fiat 500 summary, it says "this two-door suffers from a choppy ride and a noisy cabin, which detract from the fun." .... Ask any 500 owner, and the RIDE that CR is complaining about is the #1 SOURCE of its fun. It actually communicates road feel to you in a way most modern cars do not, which make it very engaging to drive. Yet Consumer Reports seems to think driving a sofa is more fun - therefore they downrate any vehicle that's not cushy in the way they like. Even their "death rates per million registered vehicles" is incredibly damaging to the industry. It shows larger vehicles as "safer", yet does not account for who the drivers of these vehicles are. Smaller vehicles like a Ford Fiesta or Chevy Sonic tend to be driven by younger less affluent buyers, who as a whole, are at MUCH higher risk of being involved in accidents. Compared to things like Chevrolet Suburbans, which are driven by people who tend to have many more years of experience driving and are less likely to be "hooning" around. When you look at actual crash safety data, Consumer Reports' claim that giant SUVs are nearly twice as safe dissolved into the lies they are.

@@AlvinBrinson theve been after FCA as a whole for a while. Completely killed the Dart when it was actually a good car.

@@AlvinBrinson How do they escape when any company decides to sue them?

@@varunvarma8183 Cash money. A shame, really.

My buddy had an 86 samurai with a 3 inch lift and some other work done to it, and that little thing would go anywhere. As far as rolling it over- you had to actually try to get it to flip, and we did. If you had 4 guys with you you could also stand it back up and keep ok driving 😁

Luckyyyy

I want one 😫

Yeah, I see them in Britain occasionally

Yeah i always see them now in aussie they are cute little 4wds

Exactly the vw had the same rear end design Even by 65 the covair had a fixed the problem vw still had the same rear end

That book led to lots of safety features we take fro granted.

That was Ralph Nader's crusade and they never recovered from it!!

@@ronalddaub7965 the new VW's have a double jointed rear suspension marginally better than a beetles.

like at 10mph it can be unsafe lol, what did they do? hit it with a train? so BS

The record is hold by a Unimog

Era el sanurai( o carcaza modifiada entera) ahora es unimog

Wena loco

Somos el mejor país de Chile 😂😂😂

This guy wheels

La cago... F por el samuca que hizo el récord... Viva Chile... Y vivan los samurais

German and Japanese Engineering, wait thats not new stuff. Sometimes things never changes. I only speak from the technical side.

Acá en Argentina tenemos el Jimny también. Al doble de precio, pero lo tenemos jaja

Even the US had an SX4?!

I’m still rocking the ‘07 SX4 in NYC!

@@NaamanStory dayum anyway suzuki launched the ciaz as a successor it's a hella improvement

ive gotten oversteer and understeer in my sidekick. only 2 inches and tires to fit tho, nothing too crazy. i wont report back after i get it on a trail because 1 im not gonna freakin roll the thing, and 2 ill definitely forget this video and this comment exist

@@jackradzelovage6961 it was fun when it happened, lol. We flipped it back over and continued trail riding. I love those little things I want to get one!

hah the boggers will make it more stable they weight more than the truck and are essentially on the ground.