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Sweet Potato Pie vs. Pumpkin Pie - Hold Up with Dulcé Sloan & Josh Johnson | The Daily Show 

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“First of all, I'm a good person. Okay? So you know for fact that I pick sweet potato. Because ain't no way on God's blue marble that I'mma act like that I am going to be eating something that people carve faces to.” - Dulcé Sloan
“I've never had a bad pumpkin pie, mainly because they've been store bought. But I have had some homemade pumpkin pies that were good.” - Josh Johnson
It’s sweet potato pie vs. pumpkin pie this week on Hold Up with Daily Show correspondent Dulcé Sloan and writer Josh Johnson. #DailyShow #HoldUp #Podcast
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@kimbookish
@kimbookish Год назад
I want Josh Johnson to become an audiobook reader so I can listen to his voice for 11 hours at a time.
@maritzapierreaponte8538
@maritzapierreaponte8538 8 месяцев назад
I wholeheartedly agree
@Super_Middleman
@Super_Middleman Год назад
That guy has a voice that was meant for either podcasting or being a DJ on a smooth jazz radio station.
@WayCoolNurse
@WayCoolNurse Год назад
Or calling to talk sweet to you late at night?
@bjdefilippo447
@bjdefilippo447 Год назад
@@WayCoolNurse That works too!
@theorderofthebees7308
@theorderofthebees7308 Год назад
For real !
@ginawood6154
@ginawood6154 Год назад
I love Josh's voice! Dulce is hilarious too! They both have a beautiful contagious laugh. They're making me hungry for some pie!! Pumpkin, sweet potato, pecan, or fruit pies are all delicious when you have a delicious flakey crust! The crust is very important as well as the spices and not too much sugar.
@elijahlateef9617
@elijahlateef9617 Год назад
She been winning the war so much now she dressing like puff daddy with that mink coat on 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@1LadyChat1
@1LadyChat1 Год назад
Dulce' is a Menace, Josh does great channeling her energy and I'm here for it. At least some of the show was about the topic 🤣
@karencladere8997
@karencladere8997 Год назад
LOL, I'm Black and from the south and my Mom served pumpkin on Thanksgiving but when I grew up I mentioned pumpkin pie to my friends and they laughed at me. I almost lost my Black card that day. Sweet potato all day, e'ry day.
@latoshadennis7730
@latoshadennis7730 Год назад
You betta stop Karen! Ain't no way you from the south, black, and had pumpkin pie!?! In all seriousness, my husband is from VA and never had sweet potato pie until we married but he's hooked now. 😂😂😂
@karencladere8997
@karencladere8997 Год назад
Yes, and to make Matters worse I told my friends I didn't like sweet potato pie because it had top many strings in it. They laughed even harder, that's when I learned about blending the sweet potatoes, LOL
@kerry4301
@kerry4301 Год назад
Sweet Potato pie 💯👍💖, pumpkin pie is often slipped in as sweet potato pie , WRONG!!!
@latoshadennis7730
@latoshadennis7730 Год назад
@@karencladere8997 hahaha 😆
@Archangel00
@Archangel00 Год назад
@@karencladere8997 😂😂😂😂😂 yes the strings get blended out. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@aquietplace5832
@aquietplace5832 Год назад
His voice is so soothing. Like he should do a relaxation recording. Also, bean pie SLAPS! I like it better than sweet potato pie.
@rasheedjamal9091
@rasheedjamal9091 Год назад
We sell them on the corner in Detroit!
@MusicfromMarrs
@MusicfromMarrs Год назад
you are so right! on both counts :)
@deborahfrederick916
@deborahfrederick916 Год назад
@@rasheedjamal9091 That is what I miss the most about growing up in the seventies. I could buy a bean pie in the hood, here in Florida or especially in DC when I went to Howard.
@TheEmbessyNetwork
@TheEmbessyNetwork Год назад
I came for the discussion, but I stayed for Dulcé's subtle nail modeling! Lol
@doniellerobinson6680
@doniellerobinson6680 Год назад
Sweet potato pie vs Pecan Pie would have been for the culture
@egeehaque9016
@egeehaque9016 Год назад
True. I only eat the filling out of the pecan pie.
@suekelsey1329
@suekelsey1329 Год назад
@@egeehaque9016 same here☺
@bjdefilippo447
@bjdefilippo447 Год назад
That's what I usually bake to bring, often with a hit of bourbon.
@JacquelynDoggette
@JacquelynDoggette Год назад
😂😂 When I saw the title, all I could think was, "Josh would argue for pumpkin pie... 😑"
@objectreborn.artsewing
@objectreborn.artsewing Год назад
"This new Josh has too much power" 🤣🤣
@maxhine3550
@maxhine3550 Год назад
In the Church of Cuisine, let us pray for the soul of Brother Joshua, who has been led astray by the pestilence sent to plague us by the purveyors of pumpkin and associated allspice evils. Lard, help him to find his way back to the holy pie that is sweet potato, so that he may savor the superior flavor and rich legacy enjoyed by the ancestors. When the gremlins of the gourd complain that their pitiful pastry is not the less holy option, remind them. Did not the Lard say to Moses, "I yam what I yam?" Let the church say, "Amen." 🙏🥧
@tiffanyanderson9437
@tiffanyanderson9437 Год назад
Hallelujah!
@alewisscott
@alewisscott Год назад
😂😂
@apoetsscene
@apoetsscene Месяц назад
😂😂😂
@chelyalynniyah1997
@chelyalynniyah1997 11 дней назад
In the mighty name of Sweet Potato Geezus!!
@suekelsey1329
@suekelsey1329 Год назад
I used to only eat pumpkin. Because I did not know better. Then I moved in with my best friend and discovered the difference. Yum!!! LOVE this show!!! And, home made is Much Better!
@evied8139
@evied8139 Год назад
My native American side enjoys pumpkin that's what I grew up with primarily but my black side prefers sweet potato 😉
@sonicboomkj
@sonicboomkj Год назад
First time listening to this podcast. They are wild. The Daily Show tackling the hard hitting conundrum pumpkin vs sweet potato pie🤣
@tiffanyanderson9437
@tiffanyanderson9437 Год назад
Welcome!
@LostInSC
@LostInSC Год назад
Love you Dulce’ and Joshua! Just an FYI, pumpkin is a fruit not a vegetable. It’s grows from a flower and has seeds.
@donelltarver7371
@donelltarver7371 Год назад
Sweet potato pie all day everyday!! 😂🤣😂🤣
@somebodysomething3451
@somebodysomething3451 Год назад
"Bean pie my brother" 🤣
@cathleenc6943
@cathleenc6943 Год назад
I was trying to make pumpkin pie for Thanksgiving and the store was out of pumpkins and sweet potatoes, so I made it out of acorn squash and it was awesome.
@nealcarpenter7364
@nealcarpenter7364 Год назад
Acorn squash is definitely better than pumpkin.
@LindaC616
@LindaC616 Год назад
Little sugar pumpkins will work, too
@cathleenc6943
@cathleenc6943 Год назад
@@LindaC616 by little sugar pumpkins do you mean pie pumpkins? That's what I usually use.
@Niccy530
@Niccy530 Год назад
What kind of bland pumpkin pie has she been eating that doesn’t have the spices in it? 😂😂😂
@tcroosevelt
@tcroosevelt Год назад
That was a smooth ad plug for torrid😂 y'all are too silly. Glad I found this
@charlesshoffner4201
@charlesshoffner4201 Год назад
I'm watching this while enjoying a sweet potato pie. But I won't let my bias get in the way of this discussion.
@BebbaDubbs
@BebbaDubbs Год назад
Thank you! I just love EXTRA ROASTED pumpkin OR sweet potato pie filling. Either can be 100% exactly what my mouth NEEDS 😂
@ArcaneThingOfBeauty
@ArcaneThingOfBeauty Год назад
Sweet potato pie! Goodness, I can’t wait for Thanksgiving. 🥧 🤤
@sheilameyers152
@sheilameyers152 Год назад
Sweet potato pie is the ultimate! I can eat sweet potatoes not in a pie! Bake a whole potato when done add butter and cinnamon….done! Delicious!
@twinmoon21
@twinmoon21 Год назад
You know sweet potatoes are available year round, right? I'm joking, of course. To keep the sweet potato pie special, I can only have it at Thanksgiving and Christmas.
@twinmoon21
@twinmoon21 Год назад
@@sheilameyers152 are you adding butter and cinnamon in addition to to the butter and cinnamon that's already part of the ingredients list?
@sheilameyers152
@sheilameyers152 Год назад
@@twinmoon21 …..just adding butter and cinnamon on a plain baked potato
@LindaC616
@LindaC616 Год назад
@@sheilameyers152 I've done that
@mudswallow5074
@mudswallow5074 Год назад
Josh and Dulce just keep getting better. Love you two!
@soulfulwildflower3068
@soulfulwildflower3068 Год назад
In my sweet potato pie baking experience, I don’t get much strings from the smaller, rounder sweet potatoes. Those long ones are string city and are just awful in general. It really depends on the quality of the sweet potatoes. Plus, I baked my sweet potatoes, not boil.
@LindaC616
@LindaC616 Год назад
Japanese sweet.potatoes might work, too
@TheSongwritingCat
@TheSongwritingCat Год назад
If you wanted to be really extra, I feel like you could just... use a strainer.
@NatsAstrea
@NatsAstrea Год назад
It's waaaay too cold up here in Maine to grow sweet potatoes. We eat what we grow. Pumpkin pie FTW!
@MaryAnnNytowl
@MaryAnnNytowl Год назад
There ya go! 👍🏼👍🏼
@staceyearle2817
@staceyearle2817 Год назад
I have both..... With pumpkin you have to blend the right amount of spices .🙏🏾... I worked in a bakery so I know on site which is which 😂
@katstorm13
@katstorm13 Год назад
I was at thanksgiving at my boyfriend's dads house, and dad's girlfriend made carrot pie. That was the blandest mush in a crust I've ever tasted lol
@mxruwa5741
@mxruwa5741 Год назад
She forgot the cumin pumin and orange juice huh?
@candiyoung-gibson1076
@candiyoung-gibson1076 Год назад
Mush-in-a-crust. I'm here for it!
@lauraanncallaway4057
@lauraanncallaway4057 Год назад
Dulce seems to do 95% of the talking every single episode, and although I love her, I’d like to hear more from Josh
@mjsolom
@mjsolom Год назад
First time watching “Hold Up” and it was hilarious oh and the topic debated was Kool too. As the former governor of Cali said “I’ll Be Back”
@jenniferappel77
@jenniferappel77 Год назад
Andy's Frozen Custard sells a mixer with AN ENTIRE SLICE OF PUMPKIN PIE in it!! If sweet potato went well with vanilla frozen custard, well then it might stand a chance in the argument, but alas I have to be on Team Pumpkin. 🤷🏻‍♀️
@sharondavid-melly1498
@sharondavid-melly1498 Год назад
How about potato skins in vs. out of potato salad?? Might be fun, too. Love you and your show😘
@vixen_0072
@vixen_0072 Год назад
Sweet potato pie is the best. I have had pumpkin pie that was okay. It comes in second place every time.
@Wickedd_angell
@Wickedd_angell Год назад
Yall can save this one for December but I wanna see what yall got to say about real Christmas trees vs fake
@zenshutterman
@zenshutterman Год назад
Grind for the oven … that’s a golden statement.
@charlottecolley6966
@charlottecolley6966 Год назад
Have to buy 2 pies -- one for Turkey Day & one to hide and eat BEFORE Turkey Day!! I'm very white & very old. I used to eat pumpkin & then I had sweet potato. Haven't bought a pumpkin pie since.
@ShayTBD
@ShayTBD Год назад
We welcome you at arms length - Please don't put any raisins
@charlottecolley6966
@charlottecolley6966 Год назад
@@ShayTBD thank you Shay & I never use raisin except for throwing.
@latoshadennis7730
@latoshadennis7730 Год назад
Congrats! 😂
@hardwarefixer6822
@hardwarefixer6822 Год назад
only 2 types of pie I like. hot or cold
@sharonmores8697
@sharonmores8697 Год назад
Lol
@RicShewell
@RicShewell Год назад
I was real nervous that we weren’t gonna get our Grindamin C today. Should’ve never doubted. 🙏🙏🙏
@shareechildcare
@shareechildcare Год назад
That convo was LIT!
@jmahoney9561
@jmahoney9561 Год назад
Sweet Potato 🍠 pies, hands down! 👍🏽😊👍🏽😊
@mayracabrera2551
@mayracabrera2551 Год назад
The ONE Hold Up where I'm 50-50 on the options!
@brittanylove6744
@brittanylove6744 Год назад
Dulce that outfit is necessary to defend holy sweet potato pie
@alib1255
@alib1255 Год назад
Joshua, your voice is like velvet! 🫠💕 This argument was great! Thank you! Lol
@bjdefilippo447
@bjdefilippo447 Год назад
Whether you can eat fruit on a diet depends, in part, on the fruit. Some are mostly water or have lots of fiber, while others, especially the ones we've bred to be super sweet, are almost like eating candy. This is also why so many fruit juices aren't healthy options- they start with tons of sugar, then remove all the fiber in the juicing process.
@lbthingsstuffmore9513
@lbthingsstuffmore9513 Год назад
Pumpkin Pie All Day!
@MaryAnnNytowl
@MaryAnnNytowl Год назад
💯!!
@hhmb1971
@hhmb1971 Год назад
"As a wee girl and a grown adult lady"......I love it. Say it again!!
@thirzje
@thirzje Год назад
The neck energy sent me!
@craigslistreplies3485
@craigslistreplies3485 Год назад
Josh doesn’t even believe his own lies 🤣
@AshyfeetDotCom
@AshyfeetDotCom Год назад
14 minutes in and she had to say "defend your pie." You right.
@tiffanyanderson9437
@tiffanyanderson9437 Год назад
I just can’t believe he came from the land of the best food on the planet and had a bad sweet potato pie.
@VeganWellnessTribe
@VeganWellnessTribe Год назад
Now this is a hot topic! Let’s gooooo. I got my drink and a snack, am ready to watch!
@kathleenclayborne9207
@kathleenclayborne9207 Год назад
SWEET POTATO no Whip! Next Subject Christmas Turkey VS Ham ...
@egeehaque9016
@egeehaque9016 Год назад
I grew up with pumpkin pie from the store, but my family is West Indian so we definitely weren't eating sweet potato pie until my sister started making it when we were older. I still prefer pumpkin, but Bojangles... their little sweet potato handpies send me.
@paulinemuthena6545
@paulinemuthena6545 Год назад
Love pecan pie.
@robertamccrorey
@robertamccrorey Год назад
I like both but pumpkin ( just like sweet potato) can be eating other ways than as a pie. Yummy 🤤 to both 😂
@MMay2099
@MMay2099 Год назад
If you've ever stopped at The Varsity in downtown ATL and bought a fried pie, you will understand where I'm going. Back in the 80s, at a rural Southern outdoor arts festival there was a food stall where some wonderful ladies served a few types of fried pies. Sweet potato fried pie reigned supreme! No such thing as a pumpkin fried pie. 🤭 *drops 🎤 *
@grandpafalkenrath2988
@grandpafalkenrath2988 Год назад
When I used to travel to Georgia you could get sweet potato pie out of the vending machine, just like hostess apple pie
@evaarizona1184
@evaarizona1184 Год назад
I've never had pumpkin pie. Tempted to try it just so I can be part of the conversation. People in my family always ask if I make a sweet potato pie like my momma used to. The answer is yes, yes I do.
@panamasrose
@panamasrose Год назад
Sweet Potato, period! Pumpkin out of desperation.
@latoshadennis7730
@latoshadennis7730 Год назад
Pumpkin noooo...period 😂
@MaryAnnNytowl
@MaryAnnNytowl Год назад
@@latoshadennis7730 saves more for me and my family, then! 😄😆🤣
@mlggamer5296
@mlggamer5296 Год назад
9:07 I think this dude just chose death 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Straight out War
@westsideAUKILANI
@westsideAUKILANI Год назад
I've only recently figured out that what you call sweet potato, we call it Kumara in New Zealand lol
@rasheedjamal9091
@rasheedjamal9091 Год назад
So I would have to travel to the end of the world to taste y'all's pie!?
@robynharrison7631
@robynharrison7631 Год назад
Sweet potato all the way! You got to make food with LOVE ❤🥧
@mlggamer5296
@mlggamer5296 Год назад
Dulcé came in with the cereal argument for this pumpkin pie yeah sawdust. What a blow
@NoOne-yc4wl
@NoOne-yc4wl Год назад
What kind of monster puts pumpkin into sweet potato pie?!
@MaryAnnNytowl
@MaryAnnNytowl Год назад
Yes, a terrible waste of pumpkin squash!
@TheMillicent333
@TheMillicent333 Год назад
Sweet potato!!!!!!!! All day everyday!
@naala
@naala Год назад
Thank you to the Hold Up team for a great podcast I would love to see a healthy food debate: Wegmans vs. Whole Foods!
@apatternedhorizon
@apatternedhorizon Год назад
Sweet potato is king. Grew up devouring them. I've had one mixed together too and it was awful, but not as bad as plain pumping pie.
@DavidS.Pumpkin
@DavidS.Pumpkin Год назад
Sweet! All day!
@chastitybaez7699
@chastitybaez7699 Год назад
Text vs Calls 😂
@steviewondar3456
@steviewondar3456 Год назад
Sweet potato is awesome pie 👌
@tysonmckinney5494
@tysonmckinney5494 Год назад
A little Cardamom , like 1/4 tsp, in a pie, depending on how fresh the spices are, can make either pie better. Just a pinch.
@FunOrGilg
@FunOrGilg Год назад
Dulcé will not let Josh talk! Lol
@LoriWellman
@LoriWellman Год назад
Dulcé, I do love you, however there was one incorrect statement you made. Sweet potato pie is lighter in color than pumpkin pie. Otherwise, you were correct on all fronts. Lastly, the trick to keep sweet potatoes from being stringy is to mix it in a blender instead of with a hand mixer. Your pie will be smooth every time!
@Taltalimm
@Taltalimm Год назад
Sweet potato no discussion.
@sarahwatts7152
@sarahwatts7152 Год назад
Possible topic: going to events in person (concerts, plays, sports) or seeing the recorded version at home. I'm a big fan of albums over live music because of the replayability, the pausability, etc
@Rebekah0417
@Rebekah0417 Год назад
Dolce I love ya girl but I gotta go with my boy on this one..pumpkin 4 life!
@MaryAnnNytowl
@MaryAnnNytowl Год назад
Yes! Agree 💯%!!
@genesisobscura7165
@genesisobscura7165 Год назад
*looks around* I'll take a few slices of Pumpkin Pie, please (If they thought I was weird before 🥴)
@immortalr.c.6248
@immortalr.c.6248 Год назад
You know who has a fax machine? Someone who knows how to GRIND!
@cherifinkbiner8393
@cherifinkbiner8393 Год назад
I adore pumpkin pie~
@bagreen1124
@bagreen1124 Год назад
Figures...
@MaryAnnNytowl
@MaryAnnNytowl Год назад
@@bagreen1124 which means? Sounds like a racial comment to me. I'm mixed, and detest sweet potatos or yams.
@insoserious
@insoserious Год назад
I have no dog in this fight coz I’ve never eaten either of these pies as I’m not American and they are not part of my culture. But can I just tell a story about sweet potato? During World War ll, when the Japanese Empire occupied large sections of North and Southeast Asia, there was widespread food shortage. There was no more rice. Everyone survived on sweet potato because it could be grown everywhere and grown quickly. My eldest aunt was born in 1937; she was a 5 year old girl when the Occupation began and 8 years old when the Japanese surrendered. And yet, even when she was in her 70’s, she could not bring herself to eat sweet potato. She just smiled wistfully and said to me, “no lah, I’m sick of it already.” She’s passed away now, but I remember how she was always so strong and gracious when talking about the painful events of her past.
@sarahschouten5542
@sarahschouten5542 Год назад
I'd love to hear your take on the best fry cut. Shoestring, Waffle, Curly, Crinkle, Steak.
@WayCoolNurse
@WayCoolNurse Год назад
"What you need money for?!? I supply anything you need! I feed you, provide yo school supplies. That money goes back in the house. That's your contribution!"
@candiyoung-gibson1076
@candiyoung-gibson1076 Год назад
Lololol.
@ShayTBD
@ShayTBD Год назад
Sweetest Pooooooootatoe YUMmmmmmmmmm
@suzettephinn7829
@suzettephinn7829 Год назад
I love both you'll ❤❤❤❤
@kitashawillis118
@kitashawillis118 4 месяца назад
To get the strings out of sweet potato pie, when peeling the sweet potato, cut a little deeper to remove the 'white layer under the peeling completely. The white layer IS THE STRINGS. Your potato should be a uniform orange when done. Thanks to my mom I learned this secret. RIP MOMMY 😊
@kitashawillis118
@kitashawillis118 4 месяца назад
Pumpkin Pie is Sweet Potato Pie's Foster Child!!!
@nicholelee1920
@nicholelee1920 Год назад
No'en BUT Sweet Potato pie all daaaay!
@slighwentwalking2024
@slighwentwalking2024 Год назад
This is......insanely hilarious You haven't lived until you've had fried sweet potato cakes..
@vazzy13
@vazzy13 Год назад
I grew up with homemade pumpkin pie, it was delicious. I don't know who's pie Dulce had, but they didn't make it right! However...once I had a homemade sweet potato pie, it was all over! Sweet potato pie is so rich and delicious!
@Lindasmusings
@Lindasmusings Год назад
Enjoyed this😂😂😂
@WayCoolNurse
@WayCoolNurse Год назад
I do the same with the delivery container. LOL!
@Jaithesaintt
@Jaithesaintt Год назад
Na but why I randomly get this video, while I cool down a sweet potato pie 🍠 🥧 at 2am …all for myself. On Dec 1 😂😂😂🥹
@ShayTBD
@ShayTBD Год назад
Who is Dulcé's college roommate- wowwwwwww
@theorderofthebees7308
@theorderofthebees7308 Год назад
Oh you all chose violence , today I see . Whoever chose pumpkin pie - the side eye you are getting this Turkey day is going to be epic
@aliquot8404
@aliquot8404 Год назад
I used to turn up my nose at trying any pie at all. So my mom eased me into it with sugar pie (pie crust sprinkled with cinnamon and sugar. Then she made a bet that if she made a pie I would eat, I'd have to try three bites of four different pies of her choice. Then than sneaky, sneaky woman made me a 7 layer chocolate pie. It was phenomenal! The next week she tried me on apple pie, which I liked. The third week was lemon meringue pie, which is still one of my favorites to this day. The fourth week was sour Idaho plum pie, which I would make more often if I could get sour plums. The fifth week was pumpkin pie. Thanks, Mom. (I never encountered sweet potato pie until I was an adult and a local cafe did Pie Night. It's ok, but not what I was used to. I revisit it occasionally. My favorite new pie experience from that era was boisonberry pie.)
@MirageThaHustla
@MirageThaHustla Год назад
I like both and I serve both because there is an a diverse group of people I entertain at Thanksgiving. There's not really a majority. All dishes are welcome and we let the people decide.
@martinlopez5083
@martinlopez5083 Год назад
Huge fan from Manchester 😍
@arialtamirano8501
@arialtamirano8501 Год назад
As soon as i saw this i wacthed immediately🤣🙌🏽🥧luv you guys🧡
@ea4022
@ea4022 Год назад
Anyone else catch the afrontedness, the absolute shock in Josh's eyes when Dulce said "I will steal your medical shoes." You could tell he was taken aback, but also really impressed yet hurt by what she said. I love you Josh and Dulce, you are the friends to be! Such a dynamic duo. I love this series! 13:44
@sawcsam1019
@sawcsam1019 Год назад
Brussell sprouts are awesome!!! I love sweet potato soufle!❤❤🎉🎉
@mrlevhil
@mrlevhil Год назад
BEAN PIE!
@tnlwithtrixiekat478
@tnlwithtrixiekat478 Год назад
Wow he went from cute and adorable to hot. That aside pumpkin pies are more healthier than sweet.
@jazzchristineart
@jazzchristineart Год назад
A shaman or a witch ,who would you go to for a healing ,after the doctors have given up ?
@anninwhack1998
@anninwhack1998 Год назад
Team sweet potato! You can tell them apart. IME sweet potato usually have a lighter color.
@Elligy617
@Elligy617 Год назад
Black Folks do eat pumpkins, it became seasonally trendy and now it has a bad name my people in the south grew pumpkins, ate it in many forms down to the seeds Haitians use pumpkins and other gourds to celebrate their independence and it's theee best soup! As for pie, I prefer sweet potato pie but will eat pumpkin pie if made properly
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