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Swiss Bunker Layout: Sperrstelle Sattelegg, An Entrance To The Redoubt 

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The Bloke takes you around the Sperrstelle Sattelegg, near Wimmis in the Berner Oberland, discussing the Swiss defence strategy for WW2 and the Cold War, and how this particular bunker layout protects one of the entrances to the so-called Redoubt (Réduit National).
Link to the location: www.google.ch/..."N+7°37'57.0"E/@46.6867171,7.6237342,2488m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d46.6867178!4d7.6324885 or in coordinates, 46.686718, 7.632489
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Photos from "Die Gruppe Kander", H-R Schoch, used under fair use.

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@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
Here's the coordinates: 46.686718, 7.632489 www.google.ch/maps/place/46°41'12.2"N+7°37'57.0"E/@46.6867171,7.6237342,2488m/data=!3m2!1e3!4b1!4m6!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d46.6867178!4d7.6324885 That comes out on the corner by the bridge.
@jackkolb737
@jackkolb737 6 лет назад
I live near Thun! Are there any other good places to visit concerning bunkers or fortifications ?
@peteraugust5295
@peteraugust5295 6 лет назад
God damned. Spent about 15 minutes searcing this in Google Maps. Then I scrolled down and found your corrdinates haha
@danmorgan3685
@danmorgan3685 6 лет назад
That whole valley just looks like one long kill zone.
@robashton8606
@robashton8606 6 лет назад
Do they make you wear a hat like that when you move to Switzerland? Enquiring minds need to know.
@kimfucku8074
@kimfucku8074 6 лет назад
Haha, that's an old head worn up to the late 80's in the Swiss Army. The uniform was made out of the same fabric. Extremly scratchy, stiff and itchy. Just terrible!
@G1NZOU
@G1NZOU 4 года назад
Switzerland's defensive plans are essentially the plot of Home Alone on a countrywide scale, I love it.
@JustFLBeats
@JustFLBeats 3 года назад
As a Swiss this is so spot on :D Just bully the intruders +
@dellawrence4323
@dellawrence4323 2 года назад
Switzerland's defence plan is to be the bankers for every side in every war.
@fredrickgustafsson4795
@fredrickgustafsson4795 6 лет назад
Great video ! i do like the gun videos but this is almost better. there are plenty of gun vids and vids from inside old bunkers but your narration and explanation of the whole sytem and showing angels etc really brought it to life, more of this please.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
Thanks. I tried very hard here to show the space, angles and distances, even if I repeated myself a touch while doing so.
@nibbles7178
@nibbles7178 6 лет назад
You did very well mate! Gun videos on here seem to be ten to the dozen nowadays. This however was a really insightful video and you seem to know your history! My old man always told me about how the Swiss would give any invader a bloody good hiding with umpteen amounts of tank traps, gun emplacements and bunkers installed on nearly every corner. More videos like this would be great. It's very interesting.
@ckm-mkc
@ckm-mkc 6 лет назад
Love to see more about the Swiss strategy, I know a lot of the Cold War bunkers have been decommissioned, but how the whole system was put together is fascinating. When I lived in Geneva, I actually saw a fighter take off from a highway, it was amazing.
@andersbendsen5931
@andersbendsen5931 5 лет назад
@@nibbles7178 TEN to the dozen? You got me. Still giggling.
@DennisFriend
@DennisFriend 6 лет назад
A British view on German tactics and swiss defense. BRILLIANT!
@stillbruch2009
@stillbruch2009 6 лет назад
I am Swiss but haven't served in the Swiss Armed Forces, and I approve of this content.
@witchkinglp
@witchkinglp 6 лет назад
Same. Also untauglich?
@stillbruch2009
@stillbruch2009 6 лет назад
No, Zivildienst (civilian service). But I'm a very active member of a Schützengesellschaft.
@arthipex8512
@arthipex8512 6 лет назад
I'm a Swiss who did and still is serving in the Armed Forces. Wonderful video, the museums here focus too much on the border defenses.
@lebigmac1426
@lebigmac1426 6 лет назад
Chan i au zuestimme
@LodrikBadric
@LodrikBadric 3 года назад
Same :)
@Peter_Box
@Peter_Box 6 лет назад
Thanks for the info on Swiss defenses. That was very interesting, please keep up the Swiss history programme.
@HungrigerHugo89
@HungrigerHugo89 6 лет назад
When someone asks me why germany never invaded switzerland, i always compare it to a hedgehog....its bloody hard to get to the meat and even then there's barely any....so not worth the effort...also if left alone, the hedgehog sells you weapons!
@deepbludreams
@deepbludreams 6 лет назад
HungrigerHugo89 sells weapons and hordes your stolen gold!
@marconius101
@marconius101 6 лет назад
How wants to rob his own secret bank account.?
@yetanother9127
@yetanother9127 6 лет назад
Nobody's quite sure what happened to all the gold, but occasionally some will turn up in weird places. Finders does not mean keepers, however, and since that gold was largely stolen from people subjugated by the Nazis, it'd be a massive dick move not to return it to them (or their descendants).
@Duhya
@Duhya 6 лет назад
I won't think you're a massive dick if you find some gold and the owners are long dead, and you don't give it to their descendants.
@0Turbox
@0Turbox 6 лет назад
The reason why Germany didn't attack the Swiss was, the General, who was commanded to investigate a possible attack, fooled the High command and Hitler, told them, that it was to hard to invade Switzerland. In reality, it would have been not much of a problem. The Germans could invade from several directions, hard for the Swiss to defend everywhere. Anyway, Switzerland was no priority, if at all a target. If the French and Britt's hadn't declared war on Germany, they would be also not been attacked. Hitler wanted only Russia for it's land and resources for his "Great Germany and 3. Reich" fantasies.
@JohnW1711stock
@JohnW1711stock 6 лет назад
That road resembles eastern Pennsylvania. Maryland has huge holes, cracks, and steel plates to keep out tanks. LOL!! If a road gets paved, the power company digs it up and puts down steel plates, almost immediately.
@rickansell661
@rickansell661 6 лет назад
Note the three demolition shafts. Spaced, I presume, to produce a breach wide enough that you couldn't just trundle up an Armoured Vehicle Launched Bridge and drop summat across the gap. This is a key part of military demolitions intended to create an obstacle and why demolishing bridges for that purpose is a bit of an art. The Royal Engineers have a nice book, subtitled, IIRC, 'How to blow up just about anything' that teaches you this. As an MOD civilian I once (more than 20 years ago) had to read and internally digest it's contents as part of my job. I even got to go on the practical section of the Infantry Demolitions Course - happy days. :)
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
It pre-dates the AVLB and similar systems - the idea seems to be that even if only 2 of the 3 go off, the breach will be wide enough to be impassable without repair.
@rickansell661
@rickansell661 6 лет назад
Hmmm. Your explanation is probably true as far as it goes. It is one reason to duplicate demolitions. However AVLB were around earlier than you think. The British had an (experimental) one in 1919 - and that is if you don't count Facines. The UK continued development and the Scissors Bridge 30ft, Number 1 was in use, at least on exercise, by 1941. It was in use by the Allies in Italy in 1943. The Germans had one in service, the Bruckenleger IV, as early as 1940. Unfortunately for the Germans it was to heavy so they only built 20 and eventually converted them back into gun tanks after the capture of France. Then they built 4 new ones that were used in Russia. They also tested bridging varients of the Panzer I and Panzer II. The Italians had one for their CV33 Tankettes in service in 1939. Developments continued. For example 1942/3 saw the heavier Tank Bridge 30ft, Number 2 in use by the British, launched by, and capable of supporting, Churchills. The Swiss probably knew at least something about these developments, at least by 1943, when the No. 1 Bridge was being used in Italy. Personally I think the Swiss would have been aware of Facines and at least the concept of AVLBs. Whether that was decisive, beyond simple redundancy, in choosing to have three demolitions in parallel is something that we can only speculate about. Hoever the later they were put in place the more likely it is that emplaced bridges were a factor in the decision.
@IRMentat
@IRMentat 6 лет назад
aye, the original (UK) tanks were intended as trench striding vehicles, makes sense that we also pushed for the ability to bridge even wider gaps.
@G1NZOU
@G1NZOU 4 года назад
And even if you could build a temporary bridge or fill in the gap, you're doing it all the time in the sightline of that bunker. Not fun.
@myparceltape1169
@myparceltape1169 3 года назад
Is it easy to build up a steep slope so that tanks won't roll over on their sides? You would need to get it firm enough and level enough so that tanks would not have to expose a side as they were approaching a gun.
@HptfwO
@HptfwO 6 лет назад
Thank you for showing us the Sperrstelle Sattelegg, Bloke! A very interesting Video. The Nahverteidigung (Close defence) or as you mentioned the "good News hole" near the Entrance would most likely be armed with an LMG25. There was the Schartenadapter (Firing hole Adapter) for the LMG and later for the StGw 57 in the Bunkers. Best Regards from a former Swiss Army Defensive Infrastructure Specialist. "Und steht der Teufel selbst vor'm Haus - hier beisst er sich die Zähne aus!"
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
Merci vieumau!
@HptfwO
@HptfwO 6 лет назад
Gern gscheh!
@schoppepetzer9267
@schoppepetzer9267 6 лет назад
If the enemy would have already surrounded the bunker, ie. overcome the outer defenses, basically in knocking distance of the door....that LMG would have just bought the crew inside few more days. No? Throw some flames, smoke them out or starve them....that would have been my attack strategy.
@meteormedia7021
@meteormedia7021 6 лет назад
I just read about Operation Tannenbaum and now this video shows up in my feed. The most interesting battle theater that fortunately never happened.
@bigbrowntau
@bigbrowntau 6 лет назад
Great video. Good to see the interlocking aspects of the Swiss defences. REALLY love the hat!
@JenniferinIllinois
@JenniferinIllinois 6 лет назад
Welcome to Bloke in the Bunker. Hehehe... As the computer in WarGames said, "the only winning move is not to play." I just love the use of the word 'inconvenience' when talking about blowing up tanks into tiny bits.
@VincentBrouillard
@VincentBrouillard 4 года назад
Being a bilingual french canadian with some knowledge of german, I really enjoy you switching with those three language around 19:36. And I totally understand forgetting words of one's langue maternelle.
@itsapittie
@itsapittie 5 лет назад
This is a very nice example of the military concept in depth augmented by using the terrain to channel the attackers.
@rileystephens4249
@rileystephens4249 5 лет назад
Great video, very informational. Thank you Sir. Bloke
@hobbitilius
@hobbitilius 6 лет назад
I love this video. The national redoubt is an immensely interesting topic. I'd love to see more videos like this.
@jsangel567
@jsangel567 5 лет назад
Thank you! That was very interesting, had no idea that Germany ever contemplated invasion of Switzerland. Thanks for the excellent info and tour!
@johnhans2929
@johnhans2929 6 лет назад
Good work. I know you survived this, but it's kind of scary in spots with those slopes and cars. You've really gone above and beyond for us.
@hanshaller2893
@hanshaller2893 3 года назад
As a former member, of the Fest-Art Kp II/23 and the Réduit-Brigade 22, I am very surprised how non-Swiss people look at our fortifications today. Yes, we had a lot of fortifications, blocking positions and in the mountains of course ideal advance sites to intercept and stop an attacker. It would have worked for sure. How long, probably quite long in view of the supplies that were available to us. In 1976, I was trained as a gunner and later became a gunnery commander, depending on whether I had 6 or 12 men under me, depending on the gun. We were always very well trained. Per week during the training and supplementary courses were always during at least 3-4 days active shooting, ie trained. The mobilization always took place under so-called war conditions. Every two years, 3 weeks of refresher courses had to be completed. My last grenade was fired in 1995 at the Gotthard. As a former member of the Red-Br 22 I was allowed to keep my personal equipment. Uniform and assault rifle, so to speak as a souvenir. Today I live as a pensioner in Thailand, have taken the uniform with me, the rifle I had to leave to good friends for safekeeping for me, in Switzerland. - Yes we had a very good army, with very good soldiers. Well understood, that was at that time, still when I have been mandatory between 1976 and 1995.
@amadeusamadeus389
@amadeusamadeus389 3 года назад
I just have learned more from you about Swiss bunkers than in my one year military service in the swiss armed forces.
@fearlessfruge6445
@fearlessfruge6445 4 года назад
Nice job 👍 One of my favorite of your videos, thank you
@Kevinkapon
@Kevinkapon 2 года назад
Haven't seen someone this excited about bunkers since my days as a Hoxhaist
@99IronDuke
@99IronDuke 6 лет назад
Good, interesting, video. Hope you do some more like this.
@BlueNeonBeasty
@BlueNeonBeasty 6 лет назад
I found this fascinating! Good work
@algrimsey
@algrimsey 6 лет назад
Cool history tidbit. Thanks.
@norbertblackrain2379
@norbertblackrain2379 6 лет назад
Thank you very much for this great presentation in reality
@mountainhobo
@mountainhobo 6 лет назад
Half of my family either died in that infernal war or ended up in concentration camps, so I mean what I say - well done, Switzerland. Your citizens should be proud of their government. I am glad somewhere in Europe there was an island without all the death and suffering.
@deepbludreams
@deepbludreams 6 лет назад
The swiss are not blameless, they horded the Nazi wealth, nobody was innocent during WW2.
@freedomis4all
@freedomis4all 6 лет назад
Swiss bankers and politicians are to blame for that, not the masses. Dont put everybody in the same basket.
@manuelscherrer9956
@manuelscherrer9956 5 лет назад
Sadlly being neutral means not taking sides. We bought from the allies and sold them. Then germany looked over you dont seem so neutral at all! With presure from germany to protect the Swiss people ther was not to much choice. Switzerland shot down a few german aircraft. Not boasting any arial kills of allied planes germany looked over. You do not seem that neutral at all. We forced most to land and most of our FLAK crews are said to have not tried to hit at all. Taking in prisoners of war from germany would not have been neutral. Whille many private persons helped the goverment had theyr hands tied. The acidental boombings of some Swiss cities did defenitlly not put the allies in a great light. But during the war most of the peiple did suport the allies. And so did the goverment, as far as they could get away with it.
@trangia12
@trangia12 5 лет назад
America could have stayed neutral. How do you think that would have affected Switzerland. Sooner or later you would have been invaded. It’s easy not to do the right thing and say, not my problem.
@andersbendsen5931
@andersbendsen5931 5 лет назад
@Cegesh Who did you just call triggered? I mean, come on, reread your post.
@tearlach61
@tearlach61 6 лет назад
A very interesting video. I have had a keen interest in the history of Switzerland during World War 2 going back at least a decade. My daughter and I are actually coming to Switzerland in May and one of our goals is to check out some of the bunkers you are talking about. One place we have a mind to check out is Full Reuenthal which wouldn't be part of the Reduit but rather part of the Swiss version of the Maginot Line. Very much apreciate your videos thought I have not often commented on them, this one is a gem given our up coming trip.
@k.r.baylor8825
@k.r.baylor8825 6 лет назад
An absolutely fascinating video, Bloke! I've been interested in Swiss defensive structures for years, especially the smaller company-sized ones like Sperrstelle. You did a terrific job narrating the defensive thinking behind each fortification. Just a shame you couldn't get inside the main roadside bunker to show the actual fighting points. I know the Swiss have some restored bunkers open to the public. If you are looking for future video ideas, perhaps combine the restored fortification with your informed narrative storytelling--I know it'd be a great one to watch, especially from my office in the States, so far away from the Redoubt area.
@hanktorrance6855
@hanktorrance6855 4 года назад
Great job, fascinating!
@Robin6512
@Robin6512 6 лет назад
Really nice vid. Love to see more.
@RealLuckless
@RealLuckless 6 лет назад
Please do a video on how engineers accidentally made a gorge... I can't seem to find any clear info on what you were referencing, but I have to assume it could be presented in a highly humorous fashion. Assuming that the accident didn't involve a large number of causalities or something.
@tharqal2764
@tharqal2764 4 года назад
There's a little bit in English on Wikipedia under "Kander Correction". Nobody died afaik, but the architect was chased out of his hometown after his project caused floods in his city to multiply by like a factor of 10, and wasn't fully fixed for 300 years.
@juleswernes
@juleswernes 6 лет назад
dam your ch in Reich sounds pretty swiss :) 1:24
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
My high German sounds very Swiss these days :p
@LoneWolf-zw5yn
@LoneWolf-zw5yn 6 лет назад
Very interesting, i would enjoy seeing more like this 🖒 from oz
@versoarmamentcompany
@versoarmamentcompany 3 года назад
Great video
@Trancefreakeh
@Trancefreakeh 6 лет назад
Love this footage, well done.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
Thanks. I hope I gave a good overview of the space from every interesting angle - it's often difficult to do that with video.
@Trancefreakeh
@Trancefreakeh 6 лет назад
Bloke on the Range, it reminds me of the YT channel 'Lindybeige'. I can listen for hours to such content. Well brought, this.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
I am flattered to be compared to Lloyd! Thank you!
@yvanduvancematin
@yvanduvancematin 6 лет назад
Well done, I'm liking the content like this Cheers!
@John-sz7vf
@John-sz7vf 6 лет назад
Really interesting video. Cheers!
@_Gnome.
@_Gnome. 6 лет назад
Even though you kept blabbering on and I already knew all this stuff, I enjoyed the video. Probably because of your obvious enthusiasm for the subject
@DudeInWalmart
@DudeInWalmart 6 лет назад
More bunker videos, please!
@Weed8Gone
@Weed8Gone 6 лет назад
Very nice camera work, single handed; you didn't start blithering until right there at the very end.
@billmmckelvie5188
@billmmckelvie5188 4 года назад
.The Swiss were in a very bad situation, something that some Americans did not understand in WWII, on another channel I heard how Germany held up her coal supply. As a neutral country Switzerland was free to trade with any country she wished. She did trade with the Germans bearings, Oerlikon cannons and other intricate equipment that the Germany needed for her war effort. In contrast to that she set up a deal with the British that allowed them to produce the Oerlikon cannon in the UK under licence prior to the fall of France. Schaffhausen, Switzerland was bombed by the Americans and killed 40 people and cost the U.S. $14 million in compensation at the end of the war. The plans to invade Switzerland by Germany were very real and just like the UK, it is surprising that it was not invaded, in the case of the UK the Germans could not gain air superiority. It would be interesting to find out when there was the most traction in Germany to invade. Switzerland did have BF109 fighters to defend herself however it was not enough and as the war progressed she was slowly acquiring a few damaged Allied aircraft that could not make it back to the UK or Southern Italy. Overflying Switzerland by allied aircraft from 1943 especially by the U.S. was causing some concern and a few allied aircraft were remorsefully shot down by the Swiss. Sadly in war things are not all in pure black and white and people must remember that Switzerland had three people groups those of French, Italian and German descent and that would influence their reactions to the Allies. I was surprised to learn that from 1944 onwards the U.S. would try to stop US aircrew from falling into Swiss hands were they would sit out the war. The U.S. ran an underground escape operation to get their pilots home and to better conditions. From a hindsight viewpoint it is interesting to note that Allied pilots who made it to Sweden would be better treated by the Swedes than the Swiss as they had more food and their interment conditions were more relaxed than in Switzerland. It would be interesting to find out whether allied bomber crews were instructed to make for Sweden as oppose to Switzerland when all else failed.
@Maverickt2d
@Maverickt2d 6 лет назад
I learned a lot ! Thanks ;)
@steveclancy6474
@steveclancy6474 6 лет назад
Passing the various bunkers when walking my doc also lends an interesting activity of thinking thru the design, lines of fire, defensive use of the landscape etc. My stopping group is Wollishofen / Sihltahl area. A new revenue stream in military landscape walks beckons? Following the rail line Zurich to Chur also has some interesting features. Always a joy your vids.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
Thx. From Züri to Chur you're going along the Limmat line of the old pre-Réduit "Armeestellung".
@steveclancy6474
@steveclancy6474 6 лет назад
apologies for all the typos - jet lagged after 24 hours travel
@cobaltcorrosion9612
@cobaltcorrosion9612 6 лет назад
Very good video, thanks! Do the Swiss maintain any bunkers from this era or did they all become decommissioned by now?
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
Some of the storage and command ones are still in service, very few (if any) of the fighting ones since they're very much obsolete in an era of shoulder-fired anti-tank missiles (and that cuts both ways).
@nissyenarts
@nissyenarts 3 года назад
There are many civil groups (containing mostly ex-soldiers) which founded associations for restoring and maintaining bunkers and old fortifications through out switzerland. I grew up in the region near the principality of Liechtenstein. And there are a lot of them surrounding the rhine valley. Most of the defensive systems are sunken deep into the mountains. But you can spot them from the distance.
@danmartin313
@danmartin313 6 лет назад
you should check out the bunkers above the Gotthard pass on Gemsstock
@samj.s3132
@samj.s3132 6 лет назад
Very interesting
@Foche_T._Schitt
@Foche_T._Schitt 6 лет назад
I've have/had a few of those hats, could never find one that fit proper though...
@davidcolin6519
@davidcolin6519 2 года назад
You give a lot of credence to the idea that a 4.7cm (47mm) anti-tank gun could have done serious damage to German armour, but even at the ranges shown, later German armour would have had absolutely no problem with such defences. By mid 1943 Germany already had the Tiger I available and that could have taken a near point blank shot for a 47mm popgun. However, most people who think they know about tanks really know very little. Your 67Ton tank may have truly enormous tracks and infinitely deep frontal armour, but the top armour, even of the mighty Pzkw VI was limited, and the mined roadway would always have been an extraordinarily difficult route to traverse. I have been to Casino in Italy. The terrain is not dissimilar and the number of routes are also of a likeness. In that case, the German defenders didn't need to have fantastic AT weaponry, they just needed to defend. And the only defensive position that I have seen that is as easily defensible as Monte Casino, is the position you show us here. The Germans arrive after hand-to-hand fighting all the way from the border, They roll up with their tanks, the first of which are destroyed by the mined road, so they then spend weeks slowly rebuilding the road under intense fire from along the valley, across the valley and down the mountains. Under most situations, you'd just send in your specialist mountain troops to clear all the foot soldier out. But Finland had already shown that truly expert mountain troops could do a lot of damage, and I imagine that Swiss mountain troops would probably have been able to account for a 5:1 advantage, probably significantly more. I still have no doubt that Germany could have comfortably defeated Switzerland, but that victory would have been entirely pyrrhic. And then again, Nazi Germany would have lost its ability o ferret away all thise billions that they stole.
@fourtwo7612
@fourtwo7612 6 лет назад
Very interesting video! A small map or diagram would have helped with the explanation though.
@wwasser7638
@wwasser7638 3 года назад
If the mountain of debris after the detonation of the charges would have been 3 meters high: where the weapons in the lower bunker high enough to reach any enemy?
@dchevron77
@dchevron77 6 лет назад
Enjoyed this video! Would love to see more military installations like this if possible!
@wwasser7638
@wwasser7638 3 года назад
After the explosions, how much time would the German Pioniere troops have needed to put the debris away and clean the street?
@Willy_Tepes
@Willy_Tepes 3 года назад
Switzerland was a hostage, no need to harm it. And, it's like Afghanistan with trees.
@mo45327
@mo45327 6 лет назад
The reason why Yugoslavia defended on the border was because it was a multinational country and defending in depth would leave the Slovenes and Croats basically undefended. These two nations, understandably, insisted on defending the borders and the politics got it's way instead of common military sense.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
The Swiss accepted that 80% of the population would be outside the réduit (including almost all of the French speakers and almost all of the Italian speakers), but the government and the army made sure that it was understood that no other possibility was on the table once France fell. I guess that's a much easier sell in a country like Switzerland than Yugoslavia.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
In fact, there was even an army faction who were all for concentrating all forces on the border and heroically getting completely wiped out so as to serve as a shining example to the Swiss people at a later stage when the 3rd Reich was over and Switzerland regained her independence. Another faction wanted to essentially not defend the borders at all and just do the réduit strategy. Luckily both of these factions were a minority and the final strategy was worked out quite sensibly.
@Tuning3434
@Tuning3434 6 лет назад
+Bloke on the Range Basically the same with all of the historical defensive works in the Netherlands. Before the 20th century, the defensive works only defended the north western part of the Netherlands. Only during WW1 defensive positions closer to the border where commissioned (Peel-Raam Line, IJssel Line, Grebbe Line, Afsluitdijk) and to a certain extend still using the New Hollandic Waterline / Vesting Holland by setting polders under water. No real defensive forts though, just fortified lines, bunkers and casemats.
@tamlandipper29
@tamlandipper29 6 лет назад
An interesting thought, with so much of European defence resting on multinational task forces.
@NikovK
@NikovK 6 лет назад
Werk... werk... what's the English word for... WORK. ITS A WORK, BLOKE. As in earthworks! Aarrrrgghhhh!
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
Too obvious and sounded wrong!
@Ruhrpottpatriot
@Ruhrpottpatriot 6 лет назад
Also while we're at grammar and translation. The plural of "Werk" is "Werke", not "Werken", that'd be the verb ob Werk.
@horstguntherludolf6357
@horstguntherludolf6357 6 лет назад
the german word werk has multiple meanings. in millitary context werk means fortress, in civilian laguage industrial facillity. btw bloke ur german pronunciation is quite good.
@Christian-os3sh
@Christian-os3sh 6 лет назад
Idk about German specifically but Swedish it means work, action, performance, creation, department, administration, mechanism, machine, etc etc. Probably similar in German.
@minecraftfirefighter
@minecraftfirefighter 6 лет назад
Yeah it can mean different things so yeah need context in this context it mean structures/fortresses etc. work in english means doing something.
@MrSam1er
@MrSam1er 6 лет назад
Is there some kind of over-looking fort covering all these positions ? Like Fort Dailly covering the smaller Forts Cindey and Scex in St-Maurice ?
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
Not really. There's a massive artillery fort in the hill above the castle that you see in the "upstream" view, but I'm not sure if it could even fire that close. It was rather intended to fire on Einigen, the north side of the lake up as far as Sigriswil, and Thun and its approaches.
@MrSam1er
@MrSam1er 6 лет назад
Ok, I don't know a lot about this part of the Reduit National, so thank you for the informations ! Just a point that bothers me, after looking on a map, I don't see why you couldn't just go through Wimmis(along the railway line). It looks to me like this bunker is too far down the valley to be really effective.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
The railway line is on the other side of the Kander and Simme (and would have been blown up at the Kanderschlucht), so you'd have had to go through the massive defences at Einigen to get onto it. This setup is really on the corner of the Stockhornkette, and is perfectly sited.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
See these photos: facebook.com/Blokeontherange/photos/p.598040643912101/598040643912101/?type=3&theater facebook.com/Blokeontherange/photos/p.598040760578756/598040760578756/?type=3&theater
@thebritishww2man
@thebritishww2man 6 лет назад
Good video! :)
@UsoundsGermany
@UsoundsGermany 3 года назад
Do you know you we had somewhat simmilar stuff in the BRD (aka West Germany) and Austria in the cold war?
@brendanquinn1218
@brendanquinn1218 6 лет назад
Thank you !
@mrkeogh
@mrkeogh 3 года назад
10:59 I genuinely thought Bloke said "that dogger". Bit harsh to take them on with a 7.5cm AT gun and a Maxim...
@SteamCrane
@SteamCrane 3 года назад
It worked for Leonidas!
@Thomas62374
@Thomas62374 6 лет назад
Probably a stupid question but I'll ask anyway. What were the trees like during the war? Were they completely gone? Or were they thinned out so you could see through them? Or were they to be trimmed if the invasion was imminent? Surely they wouldn't have been kept like that.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
Fewer trees. Plus, due to massive fuel shortages, many trees were cut down to burn or to make charcoal as coal substitute for industry.
@thalivenom4972
@thalivenom4972 5 лет назад
you can see there that the trees are quite young.
@Paches92-
@Paches92- 6 лет назад
An Alpine version of Thermopylae then?
@juver890
@juver890 6 лет назад
Was the modern also stuffed with explosives during the cold war ?
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
Oh yes. The last bridge mine was removed in late 2014 (if I've got my date right).
@patrickruttimann2354
@patrickruttimann2354 6 лет назад
if my memory serves me right there should still be some under the gotthard bridge
@freakskier89
@freakskier89 6 лет назад
In some cases, they only removed the detonators, i think. The actual explosives seem to be built into the infrastructure.
@tomsoki5738
@tomsoki5738 2 года назад
I’d be interested to see more in this series, it’s very cool and pretty unique to Switzerland. Edit: I'd also be curious to know why they decommissioned all the defences, it would cost them more money to do that than to just leave them, they could've just locked all the doors and left them alone, its not like they are going anywhere anytime soon, and I can guarantee that at some point in the future they will have to use them again, or somthing similar.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 2 года назад
Completely obsolete, no point to them in modern warfare, a security risk leaving them full of guns and ammo, and they could surplus off the gear that could be surplussed off.
@tomsoki5738
@tomsoki5738 2 года назад
@@BlokeontheRange So why don't they just lock the doors and leave them. Instead of going through effort to 'deactivate' the bunker itself
@arty7926
@arty7926 Год назад
@@tomsoki5738 I guess because some random people could try to break in and steal the stuff.
@not-himx5593
@not-himx5593 6 лет назад
very intresting
@niemandnieman4837
@niemandnieman4837 6 лет назад
You should Take a look at fortress Heldsberg it was Able to Cover most of lake constance and could even hit constance itself it also has a very large collection of Swiss and foreign weapons and ammuniton
@spamboli
@spamboli 6 лет назад
please more info about the Kanderschlucht! there's not much english language info about it
@wwasser7638
@wwasser7638 3 года назад
Great video and good explanations. I would highly appreciate more of it. - One question: you said Germany had 400’000 troops by the end of the war in Norway. I learned that they needed 120’000 troops to conquer Norway at the beginning. How do you explain the difference of 280’000? Was Norway a last resort to resist before losing it all?
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 3 года назад
400k troops to deter / resist an Allied invasion, which would have taken rather more than simply defeating the small and backwards Norwegian army.
@TomRedlion
@TomRedlion 6 лет назад
At 10:00, the term you're looking for is Chokepoint.
@crazyjay7676
@crazyjay7676 6 лет назад
Great video but did you steal that hat of a Swiss dude?
@daetslovactmandcarry6999
@daetslovactmandcarry6999 5 лет назад
I like your gun videos of course, but I have to admit that I like these kinds of videos (non-gun/politics videos) by those who do them (you, Ian, Karl, etc). Ehem, btw, Switzerland did it right, based on where they were and what they had available at the time.
@Marshaluranus
@Marshaluranus 5 лет назад
but where would germans hide the gold if they invaded?
@wodidos
@wodidos 6 лет назад
my grandfather and great grandfather both served in ww2 one simplon and the other on gotthard. I wonder what it must have felt like serving in these huge bunker complexes way up in the mountains during ww2 with switzerland surounded. my grandfather told me that they used to be able to hear which trains carried ammunition to italy cause they were really heavy und would make this loud "clackclack" as they went over the tracks. they were both locals from the mountains (Adelboden) and expierienced mountaineers. pilots who got shot down or crash landed in switzerland were also interned until the ending of the war in Adelboden, mostly americans.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
Thanks for that - just one minor point pour la bonne forme - only non-war goods were sent to Italy through Switzerland - it's a major point the Swiss absolutely refused to give in on, and all trains were inspected to ensure compliance.
@wodidos
@wodidos 6 лет назад
+Bloke on the Range well that's what my grandfather told me. he lived in Meiringen at the time, were the trains going over Simplon came through. I can't imagine why he would lie about this. I remember vividly how he described the sound the ammunitions trains would make cause they were so heavy.
@wodidos
@wodidos 6 лет назад
+Bloke on the Range It would make sense they wouldn't allow it officialy but I wouldn't put it beneath some swiss government officials to allow something like this.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
I suspect it's someone's suspicion relating to a heavy-sounding train that gets repeated until everyone believes it.
@wodidos
@wodidos 6 лет назад
+Bloke on the Range well I didn't hear it repeated anywhere so I don't really understand what you mean by that. quite sure not "everybody" believed it. It's not a rumor he heard somewhere, like I said he lived right where the trains would come through. I'm no expert on the matter but it wouldn't be shocking to me if some ammunition was indeed transported through the alps. switzerland has always been cynical with their arms trading and still are today. "oh yeah those are only non leathal war materials we export, don't worry." that's literally the argument we still hear from swiss weapon manufacturers today. money talks
@jeffjefferson2676
@jeffjefferson2676 4 года назад
Hello! If you want to check how to defend around bunkers and make obstacles. You should take a look at FM 5-15 and FM 90-7. everyspec.com/ARMY/FM-Field-Manual/FM_90-7_14502/ and www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/ref/FM/PDFs/FM5-15.pdf It will make clear a lot of things about defending positions, and that trenches alone wont do. You also want to put mines and barbed wire around the positions, and have entrance corridors. So not assault team can sneak up to your bunkers at night. Ive been watching your channel for a while now, and i think i like it. :) Greetings, Jeff
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 4 года назад
Oh, there used to be all of that sort of thing (at least the non-pyro stuff) laid out already, but that was removed after the end of the cold war.
@jeffjefferson2676
@jeffjefferson2676 4 года назад
@@BlokeontheRange Yeah, ive heared they had placed all the secondary charges on the bridges already in steel holders. You only needed to add some primary with a booster charge to set off a lot of landmarks in the country. Including bridges!!
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 4 года назад
The last-gen did indeed have charges in place, with a very clever initiator system with a coding plate to prevent sabotage.
@jeffjefferson2676
@jeffjefferson2676 4 года назад
@@BlokeontheRange I bet i could have blown the bridge up by just putting a big enough charge next to it. Probably that is why they removed the charges, to prevent terrorism/sabotage. Could you do a video about the (defence)tunnelling systems? I am reading about tunnel building and blowing your way through mountains. It is not to difficult if you know what you are doing. Mostly blowing the rock up, excavate the rubble, drill in rock bolts (if necessary), put in a concreteliner, graut (like pumping in concrete of polyurithane foam) behind the liner. And that is that, in a nutshell. ru-vid.comvideos does a lot of those (military)tunnels in the UK. So i am kind of interested to see how the Swiss did this. While it is a whole different environment that the tunnel is build in. Like mountains, instead of gravel, sand, clay, soft rock types. Well and maybe sometimes hard rocks. While the UK has that too. But still. These are some books about the topic archive.org/details/@artifact95 , as well as some other books. You might like it.
@wordsmithgmxch
@wordsmithgmxch 6 лет назад
Riding near Zürich on a Sunday afternoon, anyone will roll over a couple of sections of road with numerous squarish covers in a checkerboard pattern. Hmmm .. You'll ride through a grassy swale, and suddenly there's a triple row of dragon's teeth (tank traps) crossing from the hill on one side to the hill on the other. Follow these rows with your eye, and you may see an embrasure up in the woods situated so as to enfilade the entire row. Ohh...kay. Near the summit, there's a discreet group of dish antennas tucked away under the trees. Yeah, they totally had satellite dishes in WWII. And once, when hiking along a trail above a river, I came upon a shielded embrasure. Huh? What's that doing HERE? Turning around, I saw that a field piece behind that embrasure would be firing straight down a whole length of road on the OPPOSITE SIDE of the river. Good luck to the infantry squad sent down one tangled slope, across the river and up the opposing slope to locate and neutralize that bunker. It could be done -- but it'd cost ya.
@tamlandipper29
@tamlandipper29 6 лет назад
On reflection, I suggest the key to success or failure would have been the human factors more than the engineering. Eben Emael was a formidable fortification, but the attackers used shock action, surprise and their own determination to overcome the defenders. For this reason it would be interesting if you could speak to the Swiss will to fight.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
Don't worry, I'll get on to that. From personal anecdotes reported in the literature, the will and determination was there to back up the official policy of treating any surrender declaration as a trick of the enemy, a policy which was re-iterated multiple times during the war whenever the risk level when up. A major difference with Eben Emael though is that it's a concentrated fort, whereas the Swiss policy was defence in depth over a pretty wide area.
@tamlandipper29
@tamlandipper29 6 лет назад
Bloke on the Range - both good points.
@foobar201
@foobar201 6 лет назад
There was plenty of defeatism and German sympathizers. Bundesrat Marcel Pilet-Golaz for example was in favor of 'adjusting to the new realities on the continent', and he was not alone in that sentiment. The sentiment turned around pretty hard though when the cult of Guisan picked up steam and Swiss propaganda (geistige Landesverteidigung) got their shit together.
@tamlandipper29
@tamlandipper29 6 лет назад
We have a healthy skepticism of propaganda these days. But one wonders if any of the Allies would have fought hard enough without it.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
Finland giving the USSR a bloody nose was also a big stiffener for Swiss resolve, showing that small countries being entirely walked all over by the totalitarian behemoths wasn't inevitable if the defence was carried out cleverly and maximising use of the terrain.
@ChesterRico
@ChesterRico 6 лет назад
Somebody buy this man a GoPro, that segment where he went down on the side of the road was hard to watch ;)
@RemoteViewr1
@RemoteViewr1 5 лет назад
Iwo Jima dug in defence. Very expensive to invade.
@lemmonsinmyeyes
@lemmonsinmyeyes 6 лет назад
This is very cool to see, there arn't many things like this in the states that are relatively modern (civil and mexican war eras don't really count as modern). So its interesting to see how these defenses were setup to fight a modern army by an organized country (terrorists in a cave dont have the same resources as an entire country). Can you show us more examples of things like this?
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
That's the plan.
@kenibnanak5554
@kenibnanak5554 6 лет назад
A few of the old US Nike missile sites still survive more or less and are worth a peek if you can visit one.
@dougsundseth2303
@dougsundseth2303 6 лет назад
Since most of the significant enemies of the US are across oceans, the equivalent in the US are coastal defenses. The interlocking coastal batteries around major ports and rivers can be pretty interesting. And there might be more than you think; you might start with this list: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coastal_fortifications_of_the_United_States There are a fair number of the WWI and WWII era fortifications that are visitable (and some of the older ones as well, but you indicate that you're not as interested in them.)
@cracklingvoice
@cracklingvoice 6 лет назад
Assaulting that position would be horrible. I'll assume that the bunker across the gorge would hold fire initially. Permit the Germans to get stuck in before wreaking havoc. The moment they came around that corner they would be taking pre-zeroed fire at very short range (looks like about 150-200m). It would be a natural reaction to use a tank as mobile cover, protecting the infantry for a frontal assault. SURPRISE, explosive charges in the road. Now to call up some pioneers/engineers/sapper (depending on what you call them) to bridge the gaping hole in the road. While under fire. For good measure, I'll bet that some Swiss artillerymen would have finished their tea/coffee and begun tossing shells into the hapless Germans stuck on that road from the relative safety of their dug-in and camouflaged gun emplacements. A-ha! We can send an infantry platoon down into the gorge to flank that pesky bunker. Now the opposite bunker opens up, forcing the Germans even further back around that corner and killing any infantry in the gorge. Since that opposite bunker and its associated trench lines can sweep the entire gorge from edge to edge, there is no point trying to sneak in that way. Even if you can take out the bunker across the gorge and clear it, the bunker sitting on the road is almost impossible to break without being flanked and given a healthy dose of satchel charge. A most elegant design.
@thalivenom4972
@thalivenom4972 5 лет назад
and lets not forget that charges set into the bank at head height in addition would not only make a mess of the troops but also cause further landslide across the road, and could be made to be quite invisible. short of literally cannonfoddering till the swiss ran out of bullets that would not be doable without quite heavy air support.
@kigglyswig4286
@kigglyswig4286 5 лет назад
15:19 just waiting for his arm to be taken off by a passing car
@UsoundsGermany
@UsoundsGermany 3 года назад
One needs to have lots of combat engineers and mountain troops to invade Switzerland both in WW2 and cold war
@DennisFriend
@DennisFriend 6 лет назад
Im surprised you didnt address the topography of Switzerland more.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
That will come... Only the immediate topography here (river, corner of the Stockhornkette) is necessary for understanding this layout.
@DennisFriend
@DennisFriend 6 лет назад
Bloke on the Range love it! It's hard to conquer a country in the mountains
@joelmclamore1139
@joelmclamore1139 3 года назад
I want to hunker in my bunker.
@turbowolf302
@turbowolf302 6 лет назад
think Rorke's Drift...brb Sabaton.
@prepsho5007
@prepsho5007 5 лет назад
One year :-)
@Orandu
@Orandu 6 лет назад
Nice hat.
@kaleknikker123
@kaleknikker123 6 лет назад
looking forward to the second world war project ;D
@andrewhemingway337
@andrewhemingway337 6 лет назад
Nice hat where do I get one
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
A Swiss army surplus shop, if you're lucky :)
@andrewhemingway337
@andrewhemingway337 6 лет назад
Bloke on the Range thanks😋 i love the non gun videos
@wjsnow2195
@wjsnow2195 6 лет назад
I take it there was no hope that the allies would try and help in case of invasion? With the technology of the era and the limited lift capability of the air forces it doesn’t seem like it would have been practical and I guess by the time the allies could have attacked the attacker’s so to speak the war was far enough “done” that invasion was no longer a worry. Very interesting though, I’d like to see more videos like that, maybe even an overview of the various lines falling back to the redoubt.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
During the Battle of France, the French would have come in - there was even a written agreement to this end (which the Germans discovered...). After the fall of France there would have been no chance of help. A risk appeared again in late 44 (remember that German counter-attacks continued right up to the end) which resulted in increased mobilisation, and at such a point the Americans nearby would have almost certainly have been invited in.
@wjsnow2195
@wjsnow2195 6 лет назад
Bloke on the Range that’s true, I was thinking that after D Day or shortly there after the Germans would have realized they needed to deal with the allies on the two major fronts they had before worrying about Switzerland. That’s interesting, I didn’t realize France has a pact with the Swiss. I’m assuming they probably do today as well?
@Christopher-N
@Christopher-N 6 лет назад
It's been my understanding that Germany chose not to invade Switzerland partially because Switzerland is mountainous, with switchback roads that can easily be shot at from prepared hidden positions in the rock face, and roads easily destroyed. Thus the German army would have had to turn around and go back anyway. And as *BotR* mentioned, the Swiss were also keen to maintain their supply routes so they didn't starve or freeze. So, it was in everybody's interest to observe Switzerland's neutrality.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
"partially because Switzerland is mountainous" Only part of Switzerland is mountainous. The bit with 80% of the people and almost all of the industry is not at all mountainous. This includes the entire border region with Germany. "Thus the German army would have had to turn around and go back anyway." Nope. There's no question at all that the Germans would have won. The question would be *what* would they have won, and how much would it have cost them to win.
@Christopher-N
@Christopher-N 6 лет назад
I should like to mention that I found your channel through Lloyd. I subscribed to your channel because you are teaching history, while other gun channels get themselves bogged-down in current politics (it's a quick way to drive off subscribers). I may have been slow to arrive here, but I am enjoying your channel. It will take me a while to catch up on your interesting videos, but I am looking forward to your future videos as well. This is what I really like: whether it's bunkers or guns, you're teaching the interesting parts... real history (exciting stuff). Thank you *:)*
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
Thank you! An injection of politics sucks 99.9% of the fun out of any situation.
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 6 лет назад
(BTW there's a couple of crap vids I'd have deleted if they weren't driving a surprising amount of traffic. The first one on holster placement is crap, for instance)
@rslover65
@rslover65 2 года назад
One day, if this plague pisses off, I'm going to take a tour of Europe just to see stuff like this.
@MrChrischi81
@MrChrischi81 6 лет назад
It's obvious that the Germans thought the Swiss defense was extensive enough were they didn't even give it a go so all in all good job
@nate_thealbatross
@nate_thealbatross 6 лет назад
That bunker... it would be shooting at forces blocked by the metal and blown up road. The mountain and gorge prevent going around. Fish in a barrel.
@damianousley8833
@damianousley8833 4 года назад
One of the main reasons why Swizerland was never invaded was money. Especially international currency. The Swedes wouldn't accept gold or Riechmarks and would accept Swiss francs for iron ore and ball bearings. Also Switzerland was the home to the bank of international exchange. So INVADE Switzerland you would then have to invade Sweden to shore up your raw material supplies.
@Wutrathehun
@Wutrathehun 6 лет назад
Bring up the Bangalores!
@danwest3825
@danwest3825 2 года назад
Check out how the Swiss treated Allied prisoners captured during the war, very grim
@BlokeontheRange
@BlokeontheRange 2 года назад
You're referring to Wauwilermoos. Which was a small punishment camp and an exception, run by a French-speaking Nazi. Utterly unacceptable of course, but it's no more general than claiming that the US systematically shot prisoners of war due to a few individual incidents.
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