That and the rest of Act One were most interesting for me. Killing generals was nothing special, Baras's betrayal was highly anticipated and that whole Wrath thing seemed very far-fetched.
She wen't from noble padawan learner to remorseless master killing Sith faster then Anakin wen't from coragous Jedi general to child killing psychopath. So many memories.
Just shows how ineffective their teaching methods are - their code is so messy that it's too easy to prove wrong and justify following the dark side instead.
@SomeFilthyCasual Nah, the best line in game is at the end of Chapter 1 of BH story, where BH mocks jedi master who tried to mind trick him in surrendering - "You will realize what a complete idiot you are" while making this Jedi hand wave thing.
I played a light side warrior. It was so much more fun then I ever hoped. You get to troll the hell out of the Jedi, and still be the good guy. At the end of the day, you're all the more empowered because you are neither a preaching zealot nor a mad cultist. You're just the really well adjusted guy who can whup glow stick users the galaxy over.
Ephemis Priest same! I feel more like a Grey Jedi than a Sith. I feel like it would be too easy to just be a killing machine, it's more fun to surprise people with kindness who would otherwise think a Sith would give them none.
I like to RP an undercover Jedi when I play a LS Warrior. Darth Baras' backstory with Master Karr and his taking you into his inner circle makes it that much more fun.
Do not be so surprised. In many ways, even you are stronger than a Jedi. You could survive where they could not simply because you do not feel the Force as they do. It is an irony of sorts...
Caleb Crumpton I expected that actual trolling when I clicked the link. When you meet the Jedi pair and reveal how unbalanced one is, then let the other live because you know, nice guy. And then Jaessa's like "YO WHAT YOU'RE GOOD?!" and it's even funnier.
I was a neutral wise-crack. The trolling was IMMENSE during this portion of the story, and I pretty much drove Nomen Karr insane with smart remarks and narcissism. It peaked when he ordered me yield and I responded that "I never do what I'm supposed to. hahaha". It was a fun battle...
@@johnnyappleseed1023 Not quite. Many dark side actions are just psychotish. I am a dark side sith marauder, but for the sake of roleplay I choose not to choose things that seem too crazy.
Maybe it was because I played my game as a wise-cracking sith warrior, but I had way more opportunities to troll him, with even more hilarious results. :D
0:26 - "I enjoy destroying your kind." - "Then we have something in common." ...The Jedi enjoys destroying Jedi too? Wow, what a coincidence! It's almost like they're soulmates! XD
This conversation could've gone way faster. SW: "Hey, Jaesa! If you join me, you'll get access to my stash of cookies. And the dark side has LOTS of cookies. Jaesa: What kind of cookies? SW: Yes. Jaesa: *kills Noman Kaar*
I watched cutscenes of converting Jaesa so many times, and I still can't get enough of how simple it was. "No, when you finish your training you will be able to beat her." "Well, you finished your training and still haven't bested me."
Well obviously if you crush somebody's throat, that their vocals cords are still intact while the trachea remains damaged right before death. Don't you know anything about physics?
Jessa is a weak minded fool that just follows the lead of whoever she holds as an authority figure and lacks any real beliefs of her own. Ashara is a Jedi blackmailed into a Sith's service and is framed for the murder of several Jedi masters (this being the blackmail) preventing her from ever going back to the Jedi as she'd face execution or life imprisonment. She never abandons the light and unless you're playing a LS SI, she never comes around to serving you willingly.
@@davidkelly4210 Ashara is an annoying douchebag who seriously thinks she's still a good person after helping a Sith to do so much evil things. Jaesa becomes a true Sith who's happy about having found her destiny after being bored by the Jedi. Only a naive Sith Warrior can think that she doesn't have secret plans for him and that's why a real Sith Warrior (who doesn't try to play "good guy" as well) must love her.
@@iliboxic7586 Ashara walks the path of truth. Neither Jedi nor Sith. That is the path all force users should walk, arbitrary lines are what causes these grand puplet wars. A rational Empire led by force users would be indomitable. She's immature but she's like 20 or 22. That's kind of expected.
The Jedi code is completely swept under a carpet with the Jedi. For example: "There is no ignorance, there is knowledge". How much more ignorant can you get than "Sith are evil, and you're Sith, which means you're evil, and evil must die". It also means that Jedi feel justified in doing horrible things, because clearly they're in the right. They are Jedi, after all. Circular thinking is so easily trolled. Sith are openly arrogant, Jedi are in a constant state of denial. If you ever played the Black Talon flashpoint, Jedi Master Satele talks about the fragile peace and wanting to preserve it. She also openly states that they will not hand over an Imperial defector to the Empire to be judged, which gives the Republic a great strategic advantage (due to stolen secrets), which is far from in favor of peace. Truly, the Jedi are hypocritical douche-bags, their philosophy only really means something when it benefits them. Same could be said for the Sith, but their philosophy ALWAYS benefits them, so... Being gray is the way to go (for those who don't know: gray = neither Light nor Dark Side). Not that being Light or Dark can't be lots of fun, but sometimes it means making choices that make no freaking sense :/
+Razshagaul I know it's 4 months old, but you are tottally wrong. Most Jedi believes that the Dark side of the force is evil. Hence, only the Sith uses it, they believe that Sith are evil. And basically that's far from ignorence. They experienced this, and what can a Sith do if he wants to achieve something. Just look at Taris, Aldeeran. And basically you put the Dark side next to the Light side in terms of difficulty to follow. The light side is like a lot more hard to follow, since you have to go against your human nature. Deny your emotions, your bonds. Always think rationally. Basically to be a machine. That's why you see them hypocrites. Since it is impossible to follow it 100%. And for Satele, it is true that she wants Peace, but that doesn't mean that she will risk to lose the war. If they lose the war, then what can we do other than mumbling "I want peace". Peace can be only achieved by defeating the enemy, or if the war gets into a stalemate.
Finally! Finally another sane man that agrees with Joly Bindo's view of things without considering the ridiculous and bloating dogmas of Jedi and Sith to bear any logic (because they don't).
Yeah, because telling freaking extremes as an example is reasonabele? For the beggar part, it's just laughable. You make up a situation where basically you are right. I can make up shit too. I gave the homeless 100 credits, and then say to share with the others. Then they walk away happily. Yada yada. Absolute bs. First of all EVERY freaking war that the Jedi was waging started out as a fucking DEFENSIVE war. It's not the Jedi who attacked the Sith, but reverse. It's always the Sith who started the war. And let me ask you something. GENERALLY has a war ever solved something? With or woithout a Jedi being involved. Jedi are beleived as the protectors of the Galaxy, the Republic and the innocents, and must use their power only for defense. That's why they are in wars. And to win wars you have to go offensive sometimes, you know to defeat the enemy. And saysing and yet Kyle Katarn was a Jedi and not a Sith.... + there is like 3000-4000 year between the Jedis we are talking about. But it's freaking doesn't matter if you use some dark side power or if you embrace it. Kyle Katarn used some, while the Sith's embrace the dark side. I don't recall Luke or Kyle having Dark Side curroption mark on their body. And the difference comes to emotions.... Jedis try to avoid it because it makes people unpredictable. You can see a lot of murder IRL just because of sudden anger. That is why Jedi say that you must beware of it and best to stay away from it because it is easy to fall victim of it. Now a sith who is full of emotion will act upon his emotions not by calm mind. Even Mace Windu used the dark side. And for this example: "If a killer (sith) uses white magic to heal himself, does that make him good? If a hero (jedi) curses a serial-killer-rapist-pedophile-cookie_thief (who can't be arrested by the city guards) with a black magic spell, does that make him a terrible person? Power is power, there's nothing good or bad in it - it's purely neutral. " This all comes to the situation. If the "hero" defeats the serial killer....etc and the serial killer gives himself up, a true jedi should spare him and hand him over to the authorities. If he slays him even though he gaved himself up, well he went against the code and bumm he is a hypocritical asshole. And for the sith... sith cannot really use light magic. A TRUE sith won't use light side force magic. Why you may ask? Because in order to use light side force, you have to become one with the force. And the sith doesn'T want to become one with it. A sith wants to enslave and controll it. Basically it goes against the sith dogma. If a sith tries to tries to use light side, then he won't be a true sith. If you kill a someone who is close to a Sith thatn the Sith will try to avange the death by killing you, based on his emotion. The jedi first of all they try to have as few as possible bonds, so this not happen. And if it is happen they will try to controll their emotion. Perfect example is Anakin Skylwaker and Obi-Wan Kenobi. Anakin who has lost someone, he turned to the dark side, because he couldn't controll his feeligns. On the other hand Obi-Wan Kenobi stayed on the light, even though he also lost everything. "How many times Jedi and Sith waged galaxy-wide wars among the centuries? How many people died for nothing in this clashes?" Just again, who started the war again? And who bombed down a WHOLE planet just to ensure his power? Not a Jedi, but a Sith. The Jedi path is WAY more difficult to walk, since it requires to deny every emotion you have, to have as few human connections as possible, which goes against the Human nature. We humans are social and emotional and the Jedi code wants the human to go against their guts. This is why a lot of Jedi fails to the dark side and feels as hypocritical since it's an impossible road to walk. Unless you are a robot without any feelings of course.
"For the beggar part, it's just laughable. You make up a situation where basically you are right. I can make up shit too" - except for one funny thing - it DID happen, I didn't just pull it out of my arse. KotOR2, one of the events on the top platform if Kreia is in party. Nothing exaggerated, a documented fact. "DEFENSIVE war" - sure thing. That's why the commensed with the genocide of selkath, because they kicked both republic and empire from their planet for blatantly stealing kolto without paying and ignoring all the export quotas? What about mandalorians? I'm not speaking about the First War - it was indeed self-defence as you stated. And knowing just how dangerous mandalorians were, what did they do? Wiped them out completely to reduce the risks? Or maybe employed them as merks to both keep them from attacking and gain a powerful allies? Again no - they let them run about freely as they pleased. Raid fleets, marauders, freelance mercenaries, assassins and spice smugglers - that's how it all ended. What about Palpatin? What were republic's elite botan counter espionage forces doing? His origins were widely unknown, yet they somehow never found that suspitious or tried to probe him, effectively setting him higher and higher. Remember how he promised to lay down his political post when the Clone Wars end and didn't do it afterwards? ONLY THEN they suddenly noticed that they have zero info on the man. What about Geonosis? They clearly won the war, got the confederacy forces to completely surrender and...proceeded with complete genocide of geonosians, sterilising the whole planet. The only understandable purge of an entire race was that one instance with Rakata, because screw them. "Kyle Katarn used some, while the Sith's embrace the dark side. I don't recall Luke or Kyle having Dark Side curroption mark on their body. And the difference comes to emotions" - in SW Jedi Knight Dark Forces 2 and SWJKMysteries of the Sith Kyle effectively falls to the dark side, is stripped of his powers by the jedi counsil and banished as an outcast; the only reason he wasn't executed on the spot was because counsil wanted to know where the Valley of the Jedi was and Kyle was the last surviving person who knew the exact coordinates. Later in a fit of rage he used the power of the Valley to restore his powers (and yes, Valley of the *JEDI* clearly granted him powers of the both sides, not just the "light" ones) in order to hunt down and kill fallen jedi Desann. He never exactly returned to the jedi, only taking odd jobs from the Academy (in other words from Luke directly, not the Counsil) and leading the life of a grey force weilder untill he died on Nar Shaddaa. As for Luke... In case you didn't know, he fell to the dark side and became a sith lord in the real canon story - Star Wars Dark Forces, Star Wars Dark Forces 2, Star Wars Empire's End. They were published in 1991-to-1995 and were admitted as canon by Spielberg himself untill Episode 1 stuck out like a sore thumb in 1999. Sadly, the canon was completely destroyed when Dysney took over and shat all over our hopes and dreams. "a true jedi should spare him and hand him over to the authorities. If he slays him even though he gaved himself up, well he went against the code and bumm he is a hypocritical asshole" - here's the main conundrum we are facing. Believing and following the Code in this kind of situation IS the biggest hypocrisy. Let's call this "Batman BS" or something. You KNOW the said villain is an asshole. You know that he escaped captivity before and always returned to his murderous ways. And what do you do? Send him to jail because "it's wrong to kill people" (even though these characters clearly slayn dozens of masked stormtroopers that might not even wanted to be there, they were just forcefully recruited by the empire from a certain region. But who cares about mass murder of conscript soldiers, right? It's not like they have families, or can't even desert because empire will hunt down and punish any who dare oppose?). Or because "I'll become a monster like him / if he dies, a bigger darkness will appear" - what kind of cowardly excuse is that? It the same as hiding your head in sand like an ostrich and believing everything's okay now. Let's go no-canon now, shall we? The Apprentice's jedi ending is a sterling example of such jedi-esque bloated holier-than-thou paladinic attitude. Instead of executing Vader on the spot, the apprehend him and send him to jail. Because one of the mightiest sith lords "would never manage to escape from some -dingy- prison, right? Right?... :D" "Anakin who has lost someone, he turned to the dark side, because he couldn't controll his feeligns. On the other hand Obi-Wan Kenobi stayed on the light, even though he also lost everything." - another fun tidbit to analyse. 1) Anakin that is shown in ep.2&3 clearly was an unstable creepy stalker-type prick (which is strange, considering what a bright kid he was in ep.1). Even if he wasn't a force weilder and just a -normal- human, he'd still clearly be quite an unstable spoiled brat that needed guidance and a good amount of flogging. 2) another instance of Jedi Council being a buch of blind senile imbeciles. What did the profecy say? He will bring back the BALNCE OF THE FORCE. *BALANCE*. It's so in-your-face, that I can't believe they didn't understand the meaning even after the profecy happened. Who was the clear winner back then? Republic and the Jedi. How many jedi were around then? Thousands. How many *known* sith? Zero. They clearly stated themselves that nothing was heard of sith in centuries. What other kind of equilibrium he could bring, but becomming a sith lord and murdering as much jedi as possible? 3) Obi Wan didn't stay on the light side, he became a complete asshole (completely ruining the image of good-'ol Obi from ep.4). THINK for a second. His lifelong friend, apprentice and olmost son / younger brother, that Qui-Gon Jinn himself entrusted him, has not only fallen due to his poor care (and remember - in ep.1 Obi Wan was pretty much the carbon copy of Anakin from ep.3), but was also eating dirt right before him, lost his limbs and got a gigantic skin burn (I'd say about 80%) on all body from magma, lay right in front of him, screaming in agony. What did our high and mighty jedi do? Did he try to save THE ONLY person who was his family (by "sving" I mean both physically and mentally)? No. Maybe he performed a mercy kill for the only person who was his family and screamed from unimaginable pain right in front of him. Again no. Then what? He did what every mighty jedi do - he f*cking. Ran. Away. Abandoned someone he knew over 15 years. What a hero, really. "The Jedi path is WAY more difficult to walk, since it requires to deny every emotion you have, to have as few human connections as possible, which goes against the Human nature. We humans are social and emotional and the Jedi code wants the human to go against their guts. This is why a lot of Jedi fails to the dark side and feels as hypocritical since it's an impossible road to walk. Unless you are a robot without any feelings of course." - interesting interpretation which is shattered to bits with two words: Joly Bindo. Plus, have you ever considered WHY all the police forces in the universe weren't replaced by the droids, hm (which is completely possible - look at the Trade Federation)? For the very reason you put jedi teachings on the pedestal - they are inhuman, cruel and don't care about anything and anyone as long as their looped algorythms are unhindered. When somebody tries to interject - BAM! - you are the worst type of person, evil incarnate. And making droids with possibility of learning and personality is blatantly too expensive, so organics are still the ones upholding the law. Phrase "it's an impossible road to walk" perfectly sums the flawed jedi teachings up. "You are a human being that has limits, so go ahead and BOTTLE UP all your negative emotions untill they EXPLODE instead of venting them off little by little". Seems legit. It's fun to notice that the jedi who constantly broke the Code with little things ended up to be far less sussesible to dark side conversion than those who doggedly upheld jedi laws instead of - surprise! - being human an making decisions that their inner gut tractated instead of inflexible "laws" set in stone. Both Sides aren't the ways of the univerce, they are simply religions at their worst: hard-headed dogmas, holy wars and crusades ("our god is better than yours, yours a phone! Therefore you all die, no exceptions"), too much political influense on the people who have NOTHING to do with said religions (RIP Alderaan, upper reaches of Kashiik and one of Yavin's moons), religious leaders who listen neither to reason nor their own people (both Jedi Counsil and sith lords), extorting money from people who (again) aren't involved and have no interest in the matter (ever seen jedi temple in ep.2&3? They clearly didn't need a 200 floor skyscraper to accomodate thirty kids, a dozen teachers and a librarian. Luke managed to cram over a 100 pupils in an ancient rundown temple with no light or water plumbing on a planet with no civilisations or cities. / Same goes to the sith - both Deathstars seem like a complete overkill and waste of money and resourses. All they needed was to keep producing Phase 1, 2 and 3 elite troopers and rebellion would've fallen for sure). There you go, this should cover most of the points.
As a nuetral wise-crack I trolled this guy HARD, climaxing when I told him "I never do what I'm told!" and laughing in his face. This game is very hilarious with its customization.
yea dark side sith is fun as hell......... just wish dark side jaesa was a tad bit less of a homicidal edgelord tho tbh kinda creeps even me out and im pure dark side on my main >.>
I hope you all realize the Sith were the true good side. The Jedi took their technology, and the High Council condemned the Jedi Exiles because they were afraid of their power,
I will sum it all up here. " _We're stronger than you!_ " " _Bwaaak! Bwaaak bwaaak! Bwwaaak!_ " " _Stooooop iiiiiitttttt!!!_ " Weakest Jedi's ever. I bet she could just had gone in and said " _Your tail is smoll._ " and they'd either joined her or attacked.
still sounds terrible.... it even sounds like it was added in later on too... like they forced that terrible voice actor to do like 50 laugh takes before they said "fuck it" and they settled on this bad egg
Shes my favorite companion although I primarily use the lightside jaessa. Pisses me off that she hasn't had any screen time since vanilla swtor. I want Jaessa back but I hope we get both light and dark so that your choices really did matter.
lordjor96 female inquis is a Bigger bitch, her voice actress made her story 1000 times better, i agree with kyle. it's like she is a robot, i am glad i am playing with a male warrior, Zabrak male warrior FTW
Hahaha that was funny, good times. It was hilarious when you played light side and wanted to peacefully walk away from those two Jedi, the biggest WTF in their NPC existence.
There are scenes that are perfect. Like when you fight Baras for the last time before the Dark Council. Baras delivers his lines VERY VERY good. And I am not talking about Valkorion. Who I think is the BEST acting in the game.
i love how he she says “your kind either fall to the dark or a sith’s might” and he says “Noman Kar will prove that wrong” but she little proves him wrong and she is right lol she did both to him
Zylixx is played by Cam Clarke, best voice actor ever. Is Leonardo in TMNT, Max in Robotech, Kanaeda in Akira, and like 1000 other things. Is in nearly every Bioware and Blizzard game.
Well, characters don't have to be beautiful i think. It's all about how do you see that character. I've seen many characters one may call ugly, but they had style and/or fitted their story. This is more interesting then another generic cute person, IMO.
When playing full Dark side Sith, I hate the fact that you can't kill Jeasa, it's so stupid! Why would I want her as my apprentice? She's pathetic! Being swayed to the dark side that easily and quickly just shows me that she's a complete weakling, weak in will. (How do I know she wont turn back to a Jedi just as easily?) Plus, my dark side character values loyalty (a bit un-sith, I know) and would be disgusted with how quick she was to betray her master, and with how little mental resistance she put up overall. It completely breaks my immersion that I can't execute that scum. Out of character though, I just strongly dislike her dark side personality. She's just a rabid psychopath, no goals, no class (unlike Count Dooku, Bane or Malgus for example). Her light side personality is great though, I respect that she's able to stay sane and hold on to her jedi values to achieve good, despite apparently having a total pshycopath lurking within her.
Jaesa's dark personnality is very fun to watch, despite acting like a child and being a psychopath, at least she acts with conviction and listens to her heart, what she couldn't do as a Jedi. When she remains loyal to the light, she is afraid all the time, she hesitates more, you have to motivate her to kill lord Cendence. The light version is more tortured so you're right, more complex and interesting, but her dark version is just a much stronger person :)
The Moe Szyslak Experience feat. Homer I’ve been told by someone who played SWtOR in its early days that you used to be able to kill her and other companions. Granted, that was also during the time when each companion only had one role and people would kill off Malavai Quinn and the realize they had no healer.
THANK YOU. I'm glad somebody else made that connection; none of my friends really got it. IDK. After you do both, the whole thing makes more sense. The stories are, in several ways pretty intertwined, I think.
I played a bounty hunter healer and just took every credit grab and bribe I could but otherwise was a nice dude. Max dark side by level 40 lol. This games pays you well to kill or look the other way :D
Lol wow, those first two jedi were trolled so hard! I didn't know you could do that! I just killed them. Fool me once, and that's the last time you do so.
Me: Sith are crazy and their ways and government is that of monsters and a den of wolves in a struggle of power to kill the other. All these promises they tell you is just a show and their ways will turn you just like them , monsters. You havent seen the Sith system like I have and understood it and came out free from it. You will never trust no one and not even your sith master. You will always sleep with a dagger under your pillow with the sith my, my student. It's best to die as a innocent by these sith monsters with me, than to become one of them and enter the pit of hells fire in the after life
SW screenplays are such a delight in trolling: I think this is where the actual meaning of troll origins (metaphor, I know it's not the case. But wouldn't it be wonderful?).
The red haired Jedi at the beginning has a very similar voice to that of Tyber Zann from Empire at War: FOC, and even Captain Jacob Keyes from Halo CE. Am I the only one who noticed this?
Amazingly enough as I was usually in the grey area I had the option of telling that Jedi to "Face it, everyone is Grey" or something to that extent. Only shifted myself towards the Dark side (barely) so that Jaesa would turn that way.
Nomen Karr: the sith is turning you into a murderer. Jaesa: It is for the greater good. Me: O.O Oh no I will no go full dark or full light if the words "The greater good" are going to be used.
Well, of course the Padawan of a secretly corrupt Jedi would be easy to corrupt herself. One of his students was already inches away from becoming a Sith already, as we can see here. *A rotten tree provides rotten fruit.*
