Insiders tip - Tangara Trains' passenger doors were replaced by Millennium doors a few years back; to give the trains a longer life. The old T-Set passenger doors were notoriously unreliable....cheers from a retired Train Guard.
Hi Paul. I have lived in Sydney all my life and I was glued to this video like a newcomer because you made it so entertaining and educational. Thanks Paul for this excellent presentation.
Very interesting Paul. Thanks. I missed this one before. The new Nif trains can't come quick enough for the Central Coast line. One day! One the subject of Petersham ( and its neighbour Lewisham). I've long wondered the significance of the suffix Ham. Apparently an old English derivation for the word farm. Hence Peters farm and Lewis farm. However today in local usage we accent the latter part of the name to sham. "English and how she is spoke" End of lesson!
Glad you enjoyed it Luke. This was my most popular video, until it got beaten by the Melbourne Metro Tunnel video. Yes quite possibly! I can think of lots of places that end with "ham".
I love the v Sets the most, even if they are the oldest they have the comfiest seats and they are the only train I have ridden ever, brings back good memories, best known in the blue mountains line :D
Great to see the new stock Paul. I lived in Sydney from 1986 to 2000 and remember my first hair-raising trip over the harbour bridge to a new job, on a red rattler with doors open in the peak.....how times have changed.
Really good Paul! Just wanted to point out that the C sets ran all day but some K sets were brought out for peak hour. Run 27 and run 6 were C set runs until their retirement.
I might add that the 70s and 80s trains seem old now, but back in the 80s we had some real old timers, like the DEB trains (1940s) that went between Wollongong and Port Kembla, which I rode on in '88. Other old trains were the unheated "Fish & Chips" that ran between Sydney and Newcastle (1950s). I almost froze in winter '88 on a Fish & Chips between Newcastle and Sydney at night. Remember those old trains had about a hundred open windows!
Hi Andy, wow! Lovely to hear your memories of those old trains back then! I was in the UK then, and we didn't have anything that old! Most of our trains were built in the 1960s.
I left Sydney more than 10 years ago - great to see this summary, reminds me of my old commute and how much it will have improved with the newer trains, especially since I think everything is air-conditioned now! Thank you, great video.
Hi James, a lot has changed since you left, The series 1 Waratah's replaced the majority of the non airconditioned S Sets. It took another order of Waratahs (the series 2 ones), to replace all the S Sets. So all trains are air conditioned and all the buses are too now. Glad you enjoyed this video.
@@TransportVlog Hi Paul, re a/c buses...maybe the Government ones are all a/c but we still have some "fridges" (over air cond) and "ovens" (non a/c with fixed closed windows) out here in the west courtesy of Busways. Not to mention while now running new electric buses, they still have some antique STEPS buses which I and my walker hate!
Heres A Very Funny Joke. What Does a Knuckle K set Do to a V set in Sydney Terminal. Eat An Hamburger. as the Front and Back of a V set Cab looks like an Hamburger🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣.
I have been on a K set before 7am, But i never being on a K set Before. I took a chance to ride the K set before they were withdrawn in 2024. But the K set Smells Strange and Unreliable. They were my most hated trains. My Aussie Dad has been on the K set a Lot after 1981. Also he has ride the Red rattlers a lot before 1992.
Thank you for this very calming and informative video! I've always been very interested in the different trains and train lines in NSW and your video scratched every single itch I've had over the last few years. I live on the T4 line and I'm so happy to hear we'll getting some new trains on the line soon! Especially after discovering all the Tangara trains are older than me haha. Thanks again ^-^
HI Lauren, glad you enjoyed this video! Yes I believe a power upgrade is planned for the T4 line and that should allow Waratah's and other 4 Gen trains in larger numbers. LOL! I'm quite a few years older than the Tangara Trains and the K Sets too!
They seem to be doing a good job at keeping the trains clean. From graffiti that is. Although they are also generally kept nice and hygienic I should say. I'll admit I quit like the coloured in block/bubble *graffiti 'pieces' they do on the side of trains🤭.. I'm curious as to what's the general consensus on that?.. Not scribble & scratches but an actual colourful 'piece' ?.. (im assuming most on this page would not be a fan but im interested to see if maybe some have an unexpected appreciation😆)..
Yes they do a good job, especially at the moment with COVID. I see cleaners all the time wiping handrails and other high touch points. Regarding the block / bubble pieces, I think it might be the advertising panels that you're seeing? - They were a few on the Tangara trains that I filmed and one on the last Oscar filmed.
@@TransportVlog No not advertising lol well not commissioned advertising anyway.. I meant graffiti pieces on the side of trains the slang for them is "panels" "let's go do some panels".. (fyi)
The Tangara name is of Aboriginal origin, meaning "to go" I haven't seen anything that indicates that the Tangara was a Japanese design, BUT it does have Japanese technology (by Mitsubishi), so it would make sense if they played a roll in the design from a technology point of view. From memory a fair amount of things were tested on the "C sets" (like the chopper motors), things that worked were carried on into the Tangara, things that didn't... well were not.
It's complicated! - I was born in Dunedin (New Zealand), migrated to UK at the age of 8 and lived in Cheshire (near Crewe), which is where my interest in railways started. I moved to London after University and lived there for 17 years. So I suppose my accent is very slightly northern, but not much! I've recently returned from a few days in Newcastle, so will have videos at Telarah, Sandgate, Dungog and possibly Maitland coming soon.
@@TransportVlog Hi, I was thinking the same thing when I heard you pronounce "Newcastle". In NSW it's pronounced with a long "a" not the short "a" that Victorians use (i.e. they say "New-CASS-tle).
The waratah series 2 were expected to rune on T1 from the north shore to richmond or penrith to emu plains via the city. T2 To Leppington and parramatta from the city circle. T3 bankstown line from the city circle to lidcombe or liverpool via bankstown. T8 airport and south line to macarthur via the airport. and T9 Northern line from gordon to hornsby via the city and epping.
Why do you think that they still keep a 2 car r set? Also I think there is a way you can tell the difference between a converted s set, the s sets that used to have the pointed outward fronts used to be r sets or L sets, but the s sets with a normal flat front were exclusively build s sets.
Hi Paul, my two-year-old is absolutely obsessed with trains and just loves this video, we’ve watched it at least 10 times now. He recognises all the different types of trains when we’re down at the station. And I’ve learnt A LOT too! I know toddlers probably weren’t your target audience 😅 but thanks heaps 😊
Glad your two year old enjoys this video so much! Its over 2 years old now (so might have been filmed before he was born), but the train types haven't changed in that time (except for the withdrawal of the C sets). It's still one of my most popular videos, and I do plan to do similar train types videos for Melbourne and Brisbane in the future. Glad you've learnt lots from it too!
The V-Sets were made from the 70s up till the the late 80s, by which time they looked a little old fashioned. The Millenium train and the Waratah look like a development of the Tangara which first rolled out in 1988. I remember the doors used to get stuck a lot on these, but they seem to have eventually solved that problem.
Thanks for that Andy. I remember the first time I saw a V Set in 2010, and I did think they looked a little old fashioned! At that time, silver fluted S sets, K sets and C sets made up the majority of services. How things have changed.
Paul the lines are known as the up and down main (fast). The up and down suburban (med) and up and down local (slow). Thank you for this great video and all this great information and detail. Well done you are a natural mate.
Awesome Video and History on the Trains! Also about Tangaras; on MOST weekends, The T2/T3/T8 Lines (or known as sector 2) gets ONE Tangara. Also I heard from a staff member that we SHOULD be getting 8 Tangara rosters for sector 2
Thanks! I didn't realise that 1 Tangara set runs on sector 2 on most weekends! I reckon that as the Oscar trains get transferred to Sydney Suburban lines, they will replace the Tangara's on the T1 and T9 lines, and we will then see more Tangara's on Sector 2, which will replace the K Sets.
Amazing Amazing Amazing thank you! I’m based at Flemo, our presentation teams look after V sets during days and all other set types during nights. It’s greatly appreciated that you took time to make this amazing video! Well done! Love it 🥰
Great video Paul. Just to clarify the lines at 00:42 -the 'fast' lines are called the up and down main lines -the 'semi-fast' are called the up and down suburban lines -and the 'slow' lines are called the up and down local lines.
At the time of recording this video, they didn't seem to appear on the T7 very often. However, having checked TripView, it looks like the Millennium M sets are running the majority of the services now. It makes sense to use them on this line.
Just something to note. Millenniums (M sets) not only run in Sector 2 in 8 cars but also on the T5 line in 4 carriages. Also with sector 2 trains (T2, T3, T8), generally T2, and T8 cross paths when going around the city circle because a few years ago T8 never existed, it was just the T2 line. The T3 just does a loop around the city circle and stays T3
Hi Caleb, thanks for pointing that out regarding the Millenniums on the T5. I was actually on one the other week between Parramatta and Westmead. Yes, I just realised the other day that the T3 service does the loop and returns as a T3. And yes, I'm aware of how the T2 and T8 work together.
The NIF sets are vstill not yet in service, yet they have attracted a heap of criticism from both train crew and passengers (or "customers" as Transport 4 NSW calls them). Train crews not happy with plans to make them driver only, no guard, which is a stupid idea on lines with numerous unstaffed stations, as the Newcastle, Kiama and Blue Mountains lines are. Passengers VERY unhappy with the non-reversible seating, with Transport4 NSW cardiganmen and Transport Minister Constance ignoring all complaints and not responding to the. Still, it's an ill wind which blows nobody any good; when rail bureaucrats stop listening to "customers" a change of government follows not long after.
Hi Paul thanks for the vlog the official titles of the tracks there are up and down main up.and down suburban and up.and down local provided the signals are clear the main is the fastest track there but not by much the suburban also has fast speeds but all.three tracks have multiple speed limits between Sydney and Homebush where the local line finishes .....
Good question! - I think it's to do with the power supply on the Illawarra Line. The Waratah trains require more power. It would be really good to see Waratah trains on this line, so hopefully this will happen, when the power supply is upgraded.
The Endeavour also runs on the Hunter Line, alongside the Hunter cars which are exclusive to the Hunter Line. Both are two-car sets and utilise diesel on non-electrified lines. I’ve also used the line a few times during the after-school peak, it’s overcrowded and has frequent bus replacements.
Thanks Tyler, yes I realised that some Endeavour's run on the Hunter Line when I went up there a few weeks later. I filmed one in my Telarah end of the line video - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-W_6I1I-Gu6E.html.
Lying in bed in Brighton on the South Coast of England; watching all the way through; nostalgia sweeping through me. Like James' thoughts (and Nigel Giles' memory of the 'Red Rattler') I left Sydney 2003 to look after my aged folks. That aside, my workshop and studio was up the hill at St. Peters and I would train commute from Central, where I lived in a beautiful crumbling warehouse to that station, if the train stopped there; not as frequent but a lovely walk through the park. Or Sydenham where every train stopped a less pleasant walk in the other direction. Newer, smarter and definitely cleaner looking trains; how Sydney has gentrified.
Hi Jeff, Good to hear from you in Brighton. Glad it bought back nostalgic memories! - A lot has changed with Sydney's public transport since you left. - I'm planning to do this video every year to capture the future changes. Hope you're enjoying the expanded Thameslink service! - I've been following this from over here!
Thanks! - yes the double decker trains are great. Our XPTs are like your HST's and our Xplorers and Endeavours are like your Sprinters! I used to live in Cheshire and frequently took rail trips into Yorkshire. I remember seeing class 46's at Manchester Victoria, and being hauled by class 31's on the line to Sheffield! I've subscribed to your channel too. I assume you know about Don Coffeys channel? - if not, you do now - ru-vid.com/show-UC8LH7xMAyCSqpClAvTHwJRw
@@TransportVlog Thanks a lot for all your info, yes i do watch Don Coffeys great videos, I'm in Bradford and have pretty poor stations for anything interesting so spend a lot of time at Leeds and York stations, also on Railcam York every day chatting.
I saw the C-set at Glenfield on Wednesday! These are being used as relief sets in case of need for extra peak trains or other out of service trains until supposedly the end of this month right?
Yes I did hear that a couple of C-Sets are acting as standby trains. I know that Phil at Sydney Trains Vlogs filmed one on the City Circle a couple of weeks after 26th Feb. Not sure till when though - End of April would make sense, as there should be 1 or 2 more series 2 Waratahs by then.
@@TransportVlog I filmed a relief C Set at Glenfield on Wednesday night at Central and Glenfield on run 13-U/V and then saw one on Thursday on run 98-M at Warwick Farm
The T9 Was Added on the Sydney Network, On The 28th of April 2019 At The Same Time As The S-sets are out of Service. Before 2019. The T1 Goes From Berowra To Epping, Richmond or Emu Plains. And Also Richmond or Emu Plains To Hornsby Via The Epping To Chatswood Link. (Closed For Converstion On the 30th of September 2018). And Before November 2017. The T2 Was Green That Goes From Leppington To Campbelltown or Macarthur Via The City Circle. And The T5 Even Go To Cambelltown From Schofields (Which Excents To Richmond On The 26th of November 2017).
Ah the V set ... the best there STILL!!! I thought Newie had been replaced 100% with G set Tangarbage. You seem to be forgetting T vs G Tangarbage or did G's get all replaced by OSCARs and converted to T's? What is the difference between Waratah A and B? XPT are nice but they need to stop cramming more and more seats into cattle class. They have more balls than the BR43HST lol but same base design. Why would you base anything off a millennium bug lol. Will that NIFT have the balls to get up to Katoomba/Lithgow? They haven't been able to get ANYTHING else up there yet.
Hi Glen All the old G Sets are now T sets - I talk about them more in this video - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Tj_PPlTFyb8.html The main differences is that the B sets have orange fronts and additional passenger information displays close to the entrance doors. The displays are also more flexible and can show a variety of different information. The NIF trains are more powerful and faster than the V sets, so I'm sure they'll be fine on the Blue Mountains Line Hope this helps Paul
The V-sets are not Only be replaced by D-sets. The V-sets were replaced by Tangara G-sets on the south coast line Since 1996. The M-set Replaced First Batch V-sets in 2002. The Oscar H-set replaced Second Batch V-sets in December 2006. The D-set started replaced V-sets from 2020 to 2024.
Unless the M sets had toilets, they could never have replaced any V sets. The D sets are also not in use, so that is also wrong, since they haven't replaced anything..... YET.
Didn't know Oscar production overlapped into A set production in 2011 and 2012. K sets now make a cam gear noise. They used to be silent except for a faint motor noise. The final one or two batches of V sets had chopper control like the Cs and Ts. I regret not riding my first Millennium when they were new instead of when they were over a decade old and after having ridden A sets before them. The Ms would have dazzled me in the same way as my first Tangara ride in 1989. I did enjoy the more pronounced version of the already entertaining A set traction sounds. Better late than never. Did you ever experience the S sets? Pretty impressive for a train that was introduced in 1972. Still ride smooth to today's standards.
Thanks, yes I've heard the chopper sounds on a few V sets over the years. I plan to do a separate video on the V Sets and I'll talk more about the differences then.
@@TransportVlog Can't wait. @NSWtrainfan3719 so only the ones with the sliding air door to the main compartments that hardly ever worked and now remain open, letting in the noise 😣.
The older electric intercity trains being U sets or U boats, were single deck trains with very comfortable reversible seats. They ran on all the lines, Central Coast, South Coast, Blue Mountains lines. Have an aircompressor similar to red rattlers! The two are actually very similar to each other right down to having a big wrench type of key to drive the train.
I might just add the red rattler F1 got life 94 year old train vintage train some of these trains are still in a shed set W3 is in the shed with double deck carriages from 1964 57 years without testing is required to do so in the next month keep an eye out. S Sets gone C Sets gone and K Sets almost gone if you have a look for the history of Sydney Trains back in 1966 on RU-vid and watch NFSN RU-vid channel.
F1’s last appearance this year was last Saturday on the Western Limits tour, this is because it’ll be going through a massive repaint and the addition of a new carriage! In it’s place, W3 will now be making tours and tests in the meantime.
The UP and DOWN fast tracks are the UP and DOWN main lines, UP and DOWN semi fast are the UP and DOWN suburban and the UP and DOWN slow lines are the UP and DOWN local
I like your work and dedication. It I a revelation and your work gives me great confidence in NSW transport and the investments they have made. There is a lot of capital work done in the recent past and looks very slick and professional. I’d like to see more on the practical technology on how it all works. Drivers Cabin, control room and energy supply. Thanks David
Thanks David, Yes there has been a lot of investment in the Sydney train network over the last 10 years. I'll do what I can to include more of the technology that keeps it all working. However, it may be difficult to gain access to controls rooms etc, as I'm not in the industry. As this channel grows, some of these things may become more possible.
@@TheDavidGill I guess they get scrapped or one of two may get preserved. I saw a C Set at the back of Auburn maintenance depot today, so they haven't totally gone yet!
Great video and so interesting you have my vote. I come from Toronto where we have lots of trams subways and the GO commuter train but nothing like what you have in Sydney.
Hi Peter, glad you enjoyed this video. Yes the train system in Sydney is pretty good. There are a few areas that are heavily reliant on buses such as the Eastern Suburbs and Northern Beaches, but on the whole it's a good system, especially bearing in mind the difficult geography and all the water!
Thanks now I understand more when you call out each train set's name and know what you are talking about. Pity all the red rattlers are gone, rode on lots of them in their peak days. In the 80s especially in the weekends there were a lot of 4 cars trains running. It was important not to stand too far from the platforms ends in case one has to run to the short carriages.
Glad this video was helpful. The purpose of this video was to help people identify the different train types and Petersham station is a super location to do that from. I plan to do another one in 2022. Hopefully by then, we'll have some D Sets (Mariyung trains) in service!
According to wiki and a couple of other sites I checked, there is no A2 or A79. so that makes 78 sets. I know that A2 got damaged on return to China, but I don't know what happened to A79. If you or anyone else knows, please do comment below.
@@callum_bracht There is definitely no such thing as A79. The only thing I can think of that you saw is A42, which is the train that hit the buffer stop at Richmond in 2018. The Driving Trailer that hit the buffer was written off and replaced by carriage D6379 which was originally part of the 4 car prototype Waratah train they used for testing. So if you were travelling in carriage D6379 it would appear you are in A79, but it is actually A42 and there is definitely no such thing as A79.
Oscar H sets Also Run on the T1 North Shore And Western Line from Berowra to Emu Plains or Richmond Via the City And Parramatta. T4 Eastern Suburbs And Illawarra Line From Bondi to Cronulla or Waterfall Via Central, Hurstville, And Sutherland. And T9 Northern Line from Hornsby To Gordon Via Epping, Strathfield, Central, And North Sydney. And They Run as 8 Car Trains. As there are 55 Oscar H Sets. How can you get a Train to couple an 8 Car Train. Maybe a 4 Car Set on the T7 Sydney Olympic Park Line or Shuttle Services around the City Circle. It will need to be Solved by 2024.
I have Memories of Red Rattlers which Entered Service on the 9th of December 1926. As my Dad loves Red Rattlers. But i couldn't get a Chance to ride the Red Rattlers.
2023 and the Sydney-Newcastle line is still covered in V Sets. I don't mind so long as they're keeping the suspension serviced, the seats are comfy, but surely they're long past the end of their intended lifespan by now.
That's right! Except for the withdrawal of the C sets, nothing has really changed! Definitely 2024 for the NIF/Mariyung D set replacements, so enjoy the V sets while you still can!
I am old enough to remember the old Red Rattlers before they were phased in the late 1970s. I also recall annoying passengers who would smoke on trains and stations. I enjoy your videos Paul even though you are a pommie immigrant.
I was in Sydney in 2020 and my flight got cancelled due to a hectic storm, ended up staying at a mates in Leichhardt. The next day i wanted to catch the train into the city so walked to this station and was mesmerised by the amount of trains going through the station, it was quite entertaining. The old station building on the opposite side, is that used for anything? Would be perfect to turn into a train watching cafe or restaurant i think.
Yes it's a pretty busy station, especially in the peak, and the gentle curves make it wonderful for photos and video! I don't think old station building is in use at the moment, but I'll check when I'm next there. I agree it would make a lovely cafe or restaurant!
Grew up in Sydney and never knew the names of the trains other than the Tangara but I wonder why they hadn't replaced the V sets with something newer. They look really old! Still hate the ksets though. Peak hour was unbearable in those things.
New trains are waiting to replace the V sets, they are called the NIF or Mariyung Trains. The RTBU is seeking modifications to these trains to improve safety, and until this happens, these trains will be staying in the sidings! This article explains this whole situation in more detail - www.9news.com.au/national/transport-nsw-news-major-safety-issues-revealed-in-sydney-new-imported-train-fleet/c7cf06f5-62df-41d4-bf16-0da11e2be16d. The V sets did have a refurbishment about 5 years ago, so they are quite nice inside, except for the toilets, which are horrible! The Mariyung trains will indirectly replace the K sets too, by displaying Oscar H sets to Sydney Trains services. K Sets rarely run in the off peak now.
To up and down fast line as you call the, are the main line, the middle two lines are the suburban lines and the two that go past petersham are the local line. Not the fast and slow lines
Hi Darrin, yes I discovered the correct names for the lines after I made this video. Now I check the RailSafe track diagrams for the correct track names!
The V sets are my most favourite electric train to travel on. I can remember when there was a carriage where you could smoke. Drinking water dispensers inside the carriage doors. I really hope these very comfortable trains aren't taken off their roads of destinations. Having free travel on public transport just recently, has made a great impact on more commuters traveling. So don't take the V sets out of service.
Because it was mandatory to wear a facemask on trains and stations when I recorded this, as it still is now. I'm not aware of any exceptions for solitary train buffs that loiter at the end of platforms!
Yes that's right. There is some more footage of it towards the end of the video at 24:40. At the time, I thought it was an R set, but I think you're right, it's actually an S set! railgallery.wongm.com/petersham-training-college/
What?! Why is the V set still in Service?! They were Replaced by Oscar H sets. They were Expected to be Withdrawn by 2013. Before the Sydney Trains/NSW Trainlink Replaced the City Rail Logo. The V set is still Unsafe, Not Accessible and Smells Bad.
Hi Paul. Since before 2009. Their was a Suburban Tangara Called T-sets since they were introcduce between 1988 and 1994. And Also Before The Oscar Train Came Into Service on the 15th of December 2006. There was A Intercity Tangara Called G-sets. G-set tangaras were introduce between 1994 and 1996 To replaced U Sets. As They were converted to Suburban Tangara T-sets by late 2009 for oscar h sets interuban duties.
