Sylvester Stallone: "You Can't Make Peace With Someone Who's Been So Nefarious" | SiriusXM 

You said it best right here. 🙏👍

Big Stallone fan!🙏

Absolutely

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Sylvester Stallone speak with Jessica Shaw about the struggle and heartbreak of having KNOWINGLY GIVEN producer Irwin Winkler own the rights to his character and franchise, 'Rocky'. This was before he hit hit the heavy DNA damaging HGH!

Say that when you create something and someone takes it from you

Rocky without rocky ain't rocky

Tizzle, Exactly! NASA & Feds have stolen so many trademarks, patents, and copyrights that the people they stole them from are rolling in their graves with angst.

What is going on? He lost the rights to Rocky?

Sure but that doesn't mean you let a branch off franchise that wasn't half as good as the Rocky movies ruin the Legacy. Let's face it Creed can't hold a candle to Rocky as far as quality, story, acting, profits, marketing, etc..

Arnold "screw your freedoms" Schwarzenneger. I was team Arnold for almost 40 years but he lost me with that line. Sly is the real deal.

@@wrf8245I like Arnold even more now!

@@BigTony-bf5jr ha I bet you do

@@wrf8245 Wanted to see if anyone made this point. Thank you, I feel the same.

@@wrf8245 yeh I love how you fools took what he said completely out of context. I will explain what he said for you. If you aren’t willing to get the vaccine, to protect the people around you who are medically vulnerable, and are willing to put them at risk because YOU can’t be bothered to be thoughtful towards other people who have weakened immune systems, then you have no right to your freedom when you want to use that very freedoms to harm others. THINK for once in your damn life. Your actions, or lack thereof, have consequences. And people don’t deserve to get sick or die because you can’t be bothered to get a vaccine.

Who is he talking about? Did he lose some rights to a film?

He's a patriotic american success story. A Great man.

Same. Very few actually

@@promnightdumpsterbaby9553 Nope.

@KIRKHAUS What ad was that?

Lmao

Stallone's net worth is $400 million, and he's trying to get money from 91-year-old Winkler whose net worth is $100 million. Just sayin'..😂😂

@@raynaudier8622 I never understood how he came off as like he REALLY needs the money to "feed his family" or something. Even without the rights to Rocky, he should well and truly be completely set for the rest of his elderly life ON TOP OF completely assuring his family's future.

He wrote it- created it

@@blazingdragon3361 well he sort of stole the idea from Chuck but yeah he created it in a sense.

Exactly.

And for that he gave up the rights. In the end don’t give it up, it’s your work let it be with you.

@@MrDuds1984 I've read several biographies about people who gave up ongoing cash cows for a short term gain, then that property just increased exponentially with the years: Stan Lee and Berry Gordy gave away their rights for pennies. Brian Wilson's dad sold his whole Beach Boys catalogue for a fraction of its worth.

I don't think Stallone is fair here. Winkler and Chartoff gave him a chance when nobody else would and they mortgaged their own houses to cover all necessary expenses. If Rocky wasn't financially successful, they would probably lose more than Stallone who didn't pay a cent for it. Stallone had more than one chance to buy the rights, he had enough money, but he doesn't want to pay for it, he wants it for free, and Stallone is actually very greedy in real life, he's obsessed with money and he tries to earn bucks near any corner he can, from NFT to endless unnecessary sequels to his franchises. James Cameron doesn't own Terminator franchise, it was the price he had to pay to make it, now he's very rich he had tons of chances to buy it back, but he doesn't care about it and just let it go. Stallone should do the same or try to buy it back if he wants it so much.

@@kdscool1536 Well said. Sounds like Stallone is being manipulative. Imagine you build an art gallery - you finance it, you risk your house by putting it up as collateral, you design it, you build it, from the bricks to the insulation to the installations and everything else. Someone stars in it as live art. You pay him loads of money. The art gallery eventually closes - and then he wants to own it?! And if you say "no, that's not in the contract and it's not a normal thing", he goes on talk shows and tries to make you look like the nasty person? That's basically what Stallone has done. It's not the slightest bit normal nor expected for an actor to own a movie - there are rare exceptions, but in general, the producers make it, the actor stars in it. Simple as that.

@@rogueuniversities6866 why don't you imagine it another way, the way that says that the gallery owner who did so many things that you seem to think are so difficult, but what can he make from that wonderful place without the ability to actually do anything artistic himself?? Its worth nothing, you can rent it out for something else. Without the script, and the actor who is the actual reason it was successful, they had absolutely nothing. Exactly as he said, nobody walked away broke, the fact that he is the one who wrote and acted in it means, in my view, regardless of who paid for what, the creator always ought to have the rights by default for sequels, because without him it would likely have been a forgotten average movie, now decades from anyone caring about it.

Yeah me too.his Rocky movies are my total thing..I workout all the time I'm 46 and I do exercises like a 19 yr old..lol I workout like Rocky 4 always,Rocky 4 is my life

No wonder America is so F***ked up.

He was charging people 500 dollars for pics and an autograph at a Comic Con a few years ago. Guy is a dickhead.

Sounds like Stallone is being manipulative. Imagine you build an art gallery - you finance it, you risk your house by putting it up as collateral, you design it, you build it, from the bricks to the insulation to the installations and everything else. Someone stars in it as live art. You pay him loads of money. The art gallery eventually closes - and then he wants to own it?! And if you say "no, that's not in the contract and it's not a normal thing", he goes on talk shows and tries to make you look like the nasty person? That's basically what Stallone has done. It's not the slightest bit normal nor expected for an actor to own a movie - there are rare exceptions, but in general, the producers make it, the actor stars in it. Simple as that.

@@rogueuniversities6866 He wrote it

@Rogue universities shut up

@@TheAmosTree but didn't pay for it.

yup, which is why i love him

People who matter know who Irwin Winkler is

@@gavinbrando8255The only thing worth knowing about him is that he’s a scumbag for screwing over Stallone like this.

@@gavinbrando8255lol they don’t matter either 😂

This was weird, this was the next video after I watched HENRY Winkler on a podcast talking about he was pretty much the reason Stallone played Rocky, he convinced the studio that they sold it to sell it back as the studio didn't want Stallone playing it, Henry of course was peak Fonz at that time. Then the next video is another Winkler that screwed him over. What are the odds.

Some might say, below the belt.

Why do so many people not know what the word "literally" means.

Carva Lone, "ripped off"? Stallone sold the "Rocky" screenplay rights to producers Winkler and (now-deceased) Robert Chartoff, in exchange for MGM/United Artists letting him play the lead role (the studio wanted a star to play Rocky); "Our commitment to him, was that he could star in it," Winkler told The Hollywood Reporter. "We convinced United Artists to give us the money to make it; they would only give us a limited amount of money, & they said that we had to put up our houses as collateral. We really mortgaged ourselves to make sure that we brought it in on time, and we did." For "Rocky" (the first one), in addition to the money for selling the screenplay & his acting salary, Stallone also got *10 net points*, which earned him at least $2.5 million on the back-end. For "Rocky" II & III, in addition to acting salary & directing salary, Stallone got millions on the back-end. He sold the screenplay for the right to star in the movie [as a total unknown with no box-office draw], AND salary, AND millions on the back-end. Getting his foot in the door allowed him to write 20 movies, star in over 77 movies, direct 8 movies, have a movie franchise that lasted 42 years, and amass a net worth of $400 MILLION dollars. His net worth is 4X as big as the producer Winkler. I think he got the better of the bargain😂😂

@@raynaudier8622 I stand corrected! I seem to recall Stallone himself claiming he was ripped off. Thanks for that very thorough insight

Agreed.

Amen we reap what we sow and if we are lucky we are saved everlasting torment for our wrongdoings by the grace of Jesus Christ, who was without sin, but gave His life for us on the cross, was buried and rose again on the third day. Peace and love to all who read this.

How did he get swindled? Stallone has made no legal case yet. He signed an actor/writer's contract like anyone else. Now he's bitching and moaning about it as if he has the right to break his word in a contract? That's called breach. He also lied about how he turned down money for the script. He sold the damn script to Rocky! He omits that. Then he wanted it back and couldn't get it. Henry Winkler was asked to mediate for him and Henry got it back.

Greed is pervasive in our society. It is in the top 3 of ugliest emotions and has devastating/reverberating consequences.

@@landor7610 Yes, he has seller's remorse, but is spinning it to play the 'poor-me I got swindled' victim. And they are letting him get away with it here!! It's the LIE by SLY that chafes. Have we lost the ability to be honest and tell the truth in these shows?

Well said!

Nims , you good ?

Did you run that by Mr. Winkler?

GO FOR THE TAKEDOWN!!!

People will still watch buddy

He has a good heart

Nobody else was gonna play rocky, he wrote the script

You know the story about how he gave rocky to Henry winkler (no relation to Irwin) and moved in with him in Hollywood while he was playing Fonzie, he took it to the studios and they bought it, he took the money back to Sylvester, and he said they liked it, and Sylvester said you told them I get to be Rocky right? Henry said no that's not what they wanted, and Sylvester got mad, and said go back and get my script, I'm not selling it unless I play in it, and direct it, so Henry dragging his butt all the way to beg them for the script back and they reject the money, Henry then said, well I'm on the number one show on television right now, and I will quit if you don't give me back the script because I didn't know the writer wanted full control, so they relented and finally gave it back, so he goes home where Sylvester and his two great big dogs are living on Henry's couch and hands him the script, and said he had to pull out the Ace in the hole gambling bluff and we are both lucky it worked

Sounds like Stallone is being manipulative. Imagine you build an art gallery - you finance it, you risk your house by putting it up as collateral, you design it, you build it, from the bricks to the insulation to the installations and everything else. Someone stars in it as live art. You pay him loads of money. The art gallery eventually closes - and then he wants to own it?! And if you say "no, that's not in the contract and it's not a normal thing", he goes on talk shows and tries to make you look like the nasty person? That's basically what Stallone has done. It's not the slightest bit normal nor expected for an actor to own a movie - there are rare exceptions, but in general, the producers make it, the actor stars in it. Simple as that.

@@rogueuniversities6866 He didn't just star in it he wrote it and only got $35000 his acting, hardly loads of money

I'll never understand why Ryan Coogler didn't make the movie about Apollo Creed's actual son (seen in Rocky II and IV and mentioned in Rocky III). But no, he had to go and make Apollo a philanderer...

Same

Here here

Same

@@ConstantineFurmanif creed 3 came out then don’t watch it simple as it 😊

And that's how you win in a capital society. Don't let emotionalism get in the way of success.

@@jasonmelo9379 I'm not sure I know what you mean.

No, Daniel you'd never earn a coin . He sold the rights to it and i am not understanding why he is now jumping from platform to platform to trash it while pretending he likes MJB . He has not been swindled out of the rights , he needed to money and pawned his own Gold. I would not sell it back to him. we all go thru the same hardships as he does in life. you sell sum you like when you are hungry and wish you had it later .

@@PHlophe What do you mean I'd never earn a coin?

@@danielgarth3806 hes probably racist and assumes since your black and mpre than half of black americans are on welfare you are too. Probably a Joe Biden supporter

Right. Michael B. Jordan has the upmost respect for Sylvester Stallone and he knows that without the Rocky movies, the Creed movies would'nt existed.

@@johnwebb2442 .... and another MAJOR important thing that these people TRYING TO DRUM UP A FALSE BEEF TO SABOTAGE THE CREED MOVIES....is that MBJ ALWAYS GIVES CREDIT TO,HOLDS IN THE HIGHEST REGARD SYLVESTER STALLONE.. EVEN SYLVESTER STALLONE SAID HIMSELF THAT HIS BEEF ISN'T WITH MICHAEL B.JORDAN..IT WAS WITH SOMEONE ELSE... AND THAT HE WOULD ACT AGAIN WITH JORDAN AGAIN IF HE COULD...NO PROBLEM

Stallone sold the rights and is now crying about it. Winkler funded the film when Stallone was an absolute nobody. If there's a guy who gets a lack of credit for Rocky, due to Stallone's ego, it's the director, John G Avildsen. I've never once seen Stallone give him credit in an interview. The Director is King on a film. It rides or dies on his back.

Period.

he did not finance it!

This is Stallone nonsense. Why should his kids inherit a character he sold and made millions from? What's that got to do with his kids. Let them earn their own way in the big world.

No mention of Chuck Wepner, the actual fighter his story was based on. He didn’t dream all this up, just wrote about Wepner and added dramatization. Great writing, but didn’t write from scratch.

@@RJMEL24 Rocky Balboa is an amalgamation of the Chuck Webner/Ali ‘ going the distance ‘ fight and the Rocky Marciano traits and boxing style.

It is, this is just a greedy actor who wants more creative control and more money. That whole legacy passing onto his children thing is bs, it's why he didn't go into any real details about his claims or what he FEELS like is owed to him. He's just bitter and jaded about a new writing team's direction of a movie franchise he built in terms of story development, but he never once owned the rights to those movies.

Unfortunately wouldn’t happen. It’s passed down to Irwin’s kids. So it stays in that family

''for his kids''? LOL Gimme a break 'His kids' have more than enough . Let them work for a living ; get real jobs. (Not gonna happen) I mean this is so ridiculous - just because their silly father made a dumb movie a hundred years ago, they've got to be setup for life.

Can't feel sorry for Sly after what he did with the script of Dredd. Research it and you'll see how he used his Hollywood influence to screw over the people who owned the rights to Dredd and now he wants to whinge that it happened to him. I call double standards and he should wake up to himself.

@@manofiske3318 He said it wasn't for the money. Some things are more important than money. It's part of his legacy.

Ye was right!!

This is Stallone nonsense. Why should his kids inherit a character he sold and made millions from? What's that got to do with his kids. Let them earn their own way in the big world.

@@trollgoodman7808 why don’t you decide that for your kids and let sly decide for his?

@The Rocky Guy "Stallone - who sold the rights to producers Winkler and Robert Chartoff - said his anger came from the fact that the original deal deprived him of an equity stake in the franchise, a longterm asset that could be passed to his children after his death." - Variety

The majority have spoken.Thanks!

Apparently, Stallone sold the rights in return for the opportunity to play the lead role. Of course, if someone else had played the role it may not have been any good.

javier migoya Agreed ! Tulsa king 👑

Which streaming platform

@@axelfoley1812 Paramount

@@realityalwaysbulliesopinio1961 👍

Good to know. Love Sly and I was wondering if Tulsa King was good.

That's a lie, but don't let facts get in the way.

This is Stallone nonsense. Why should his kids inherit a character he sold and made millions from? What's that got to do with his kids. Let them earn their own way in the big world.

@fishy2939 Cool story bro 😎

That's right

If its not about the money then what does it matter who owns it? He still created it and can take full credit for that. I mean if your company built the Empire State Building, you dont have to own the building to have a legacy of what you built.

To reduce his argument to a chair and a dish of lasagne is absurd. The rocky story has changed millions of lives and forever will. This is Slyvesters creation. Before this character is so iconic you can't use examples like you just did.

Irwin Winkler is also a employee .

@@Kev80ification I am not trying to compare the professions, I am comparing the realtionships between the company bosses and people who work for them. Actors are also EMPLOYEES. I know that some pople think about them like some gods but that is different story. 🤭

@@Pavelflash Here's where your analogies fall apart; Stallone wrote the story, screenplay, and insisted he play Rocky and the direction did not deviate from the story. It was all his predetermined writing and direction. Avelston was basically just a stand-in consultant "director" for Rocky 1 and Stallone officially directed 2, 3 and 4. Stallone did all the work prior to becoming an "employee". Winkler was simply the money to make the film. Those truths pretty much make your analogy look really ignorant. Secondly, Stallone said in the interview, maybe you missed that too-that things should be equal, not Winkler taking the higher % of the revenue AND the rights. Basically your analogy favors Stallone in truth; Stallone created, wrote, directed and starred. Winkler paid for the production. That is not what you described and its certainly not the typical showbiz scenario you laid out. He wasnt just some actor who got chosen and employed. In fact, Stallone waa so down financially that he sold the movie rights, NOT the franchise, for a measley 35k because he needed the money so bad. So basically, Winkler was just another greedy Hollywood punk who took advantage of Stallone, basically stole the rights by paying peanuts, THEN, stole the bigger cut and the story creation rights. That makes Winkler a scumbag weasle. Do you understand now?

...Snakes on a plane.

@@tekopuakanapanapa6824 ...Debbie Does Dallas

@@billybobbocephus2177 yes I loved the story line

Raging Bull is better.

TAKE SOUND OF MUSIC OUT THERE THATS GARBAGE

Damn good question.

It’s because the studios were all in competition to make her books into movies so she got a very favorable deal. Stallone & other Hollywood actors like him had to get a studio to take a risk making their movies.

Can’t see why you don’t understand. J.K. Rowlings learned from other’s misfortune and sought a more favorable deal. Just like actors in the 80s’ sitcoms learned from the screw job the actors in 60s’ sitcoms received and used their star power to negotiate better contracts at renewal. If you can’t understand success via “just a series of books”, then there is no hope for you.

Wasn’t just a series of books. No one ever thought to do a magic school book and with such detail. Was a Lord Of The Rings level of creativity.

@@LudiCrust. Exactly. The books was already a success. Rocky was an unheard of concept at the time.

Facts.

And Victor Miller recently won back his rights in court of the original Friday The 13th (from Paramount/New Line Cinema & Sean S. Cunningham...and last I heard,Victor Miller, is making his own spin-off prequel TV series, possibly titled 'Camp Crystal Lake' with a young Mrs. Voorhees & possibly Jason too)...

Remember how for decades the msm wanted us to think he's a lughead..? Pepperidge Farm remembers.

@@Veldtian1 Lol that’s funny! 🍺😎👍

@@Veldtian1 Those White people are nefarious. You can't trust 'em.

You seem to be like me ... a Right side kind of person. Maybe do some research before praising Stallone. He backed the Brady bill and is anti gun even though he got filthy rich by using guns in most of his movies. He's an actor and nothing more.

@@freedomrings1420 Real cOBRA tALK! YO!

As he tells it, how Rocky came about was in itself a Rocky-esque story. Mid-70s, he was neither a stranger nor an insider in the acting biz, but he pitched his Rocky idea and screenplay (the rough draft of which he wrote in less than four days) to studio execs, production companies, filmmakers, etc, and was turned down some 1120 times!

Nope. A deal's a deal. Winkler took enormous risks, and Stallone was paid handsomely. Had it not worked out and Winkler went into debt, Stallone wouldn't have bailed him out.

@@michaelpalumbo4880 This isn’t about money, both have generational wealth. Sly wants to pass Rocky to his children. Winkler is under no obligation legally, morally not so sure.

@@Steve-cw1zo There is no morals when it comes to contracts. Deal was made, end of story.

@@acegibson9533 Kanye was right.

I love Stallone but he have no right to be upset. He had the opportunity of his life. He shoukd be thankful with him. Stallone is massively wealthy.

Stallone wasn't screwed. He got the benefit of his bargain.

You are sad and miserable! Imagine this, imagine God withheld his forgiveness from you. You are done! The parents and families of shooting victims even forgave the shooters who brutally murdered their loved ones. Raped victims forgiving their predators. You are miserable and you gloat in your unforgiveness!

Go Padres

There's a difference between forgiveness and working with someone again. Don't hold onto unforgiveness. It will eat you up inside.

He knows but he just doesn't want to say it. He is genuinely a nice guy. But if he did say it he would probably be "cancelled" and called antis€mitič etc etc. Its sad.

I never cringed so hard until I read this. LOL!

Wow, I get watching Rocky and feeling that way but Rambo is a really sad character. I mean, you were five but did you grow out of that?

@@-LAH hey good question. I just loved how Rambo is a good dude trying to just chill and survive but he has a lot of integrity and decides not to take any abuse. His strength and discipline give him power. You could say the same for millions of actual veterans.

That is easy to say after the fact. You don't know... maybe Bruce Willis and you'd have gone with it.. it's a movie.

@@morbidmanmusic Not even about this tbh, I only watched the first 2 cause Stallone was in them.

Industry of jews. Dave Chapelle, and kanye..they ain't wrong.