Sympathy for the Monster 

Also Shin Godzilla: I USED TO BE A F###ING GOLDFISH.

​@@trackmastertheman7801not quite. Shin goji was a frilled shark

@@poorlydigitallydrawngigachad but a fish nonetheless, that's why he has fish eyes and can't blink.

@@trackmastertheman7801yes, but you called him a goldfish, a goldfish and a frilled shark are two very different things

Shin godzilla: AAAAAHHHHHHH-

Considering Tornado Alley in the US looks a lot like the rest of it, not much

@@dakkath414 then let me be more specific: The monsters are common enough for architecture and city planning to have to be able to handle giant monsters, but not so common that it wouldn't be worth it to build cities. And they aren't actively trying to destroy the city and kill people, just passively strolling through without regard for the damage they do. like how we stroll through a meadow to pick some berries, trampling all the bugs and grass and brush in our way. perhaps they occasionally lash out. Whatever is more interesting.

A question I attempt to answer in some of my Godzilla fanfics.

have you seen Attack on Titans?

Lots of sturdy tunnels, and far fewer sky scrapers.

The "antwalking alligator people"? Interesting.

Name of the book? This is very interesting

now consider the fact that H@m@s might be the monster

“Godzilla in many ways was the victim” Uh, no lmao instead of “being” the victim like you say, he instead makes others into the victims, since throughout the film all you see is nothing but the destruction to which is very much the cause of, and that’s implying we take the time of out of our day to read a book explaining in elaborate detail as to why and how we could care for something of which has killed thousands if not millions? Such is as to why Godzilla is an allegory for the atomic bomb?

@@justaguyonyoutube4592he is the original victim though, if humans left him alone and didn’t hurt him he could have lived in peace and never killed any humans. he is so aggressive and angry because he is in constant agony caused by humans…

much like people who are both to be psychopaths, pedophiles, born into this absurd world, confused as to what even is happening, confused about what existence as they are aware of is, and get completely stomped on by other life forms that look just like them, all the others have given them are hatred and violence, and all they receive is but even more confusion

same

racicim lore:

Some of us, must choose evil. Both are truly a tragedy.

This just reminded me of Frankenstein's monster, the guy was just born then people wanted him dead because he was built different.

This just becomes way more poignant when you remember how humans rose to the top of the food chain. Humanity's ancestors basically started out as the very bottom. From tiny mammals scurrying in the shadows of the dinosaurs, or primitive hominids barely scraping by against canids and feline predators, our ancestors must have perceived almost everything around them as monsters. Then we learned spears and fire, and it quickly spiraled into a massive spread of misaimed vengeance as humans dominated the land... only too much. Obviously, the story of humans technologically progressing isn't this simple and straightforward. The video DOES mention cave paintings having a reverence to dangerous wildlife, after all. But I still can't help but look at many predators - wolves, sharks, crocodiles, birds of prey - being mercilessly hunted to near-extinction or even total extinction because they were viewed as threats, even though our guns and traps can easily outmatch their fangs and claws. Very few large animals pose any threat to large portions of human life, yet people still have a hard time with intuitively accepting that wolves and sharks are actually relatively harmless. It's as if the human race hasn't yet realized that all of the so-called "monsters" that our ancestors faced have already been destroyed and surpassed by our technology. The only monsters left are the ones that people turn each other into. Really, it's almost like humanity's spread and advancement is one gigantic "Reverse-Uno" against nature that has been taken WAY too far.

preach brother@@mrreyes5004

@@mrreyes5004 Too far? So what, we should all retreat to our natural ways of life, living in caves with fur pelts and dying by 50? In fact, that would be the picture of unnatural activity. Life is a disease - in fact, bacteria are the most primal form of life. They have no desire other than to spread their DNA. Life is a series of proteins engineered to replicate itself through generating a body and interacting with the physical world. That is the purpose of all life - to spread uncontained. Humans are just the most successful at that paradigm. We are not separate from nature. We are as much a part of the animal kingdom as wolves or snakes, deer or mice. Nature is a brutal, Darwinian struggle for survival. And we won.

@@mrreyes5004let’s be real bro. Nature contains animals, plants and water and such resources crafted and nurtured by and from nature. But humans don’t exactly fit in that category of “natural”. We are not natural, we’re the real monsters, especially if we’re afraid. A person can change so much from dealing with serious problems like loss of a loved person or losing an important something to them. Vengeance is terrifying because it starts out of nowhere. People are always concerned with “security” when anybody could probably walk in to a weapon factory or even work in such places and just goes mad or something. The danger of humanity is that our intelligence allows us to cover ourselves to a certain degree and the people who become our targets immediately fear us or hate us. Or they just die. And I’m not even going to say a thing about wars.

⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@okipullup6103 No we’re not, we’re not ‘monsters’ as you describe, we’re an incredibly unique outlier in the realm of nature, nature forming us in just the right ways to allow to absolutely transform the world around us, and put all other forms of life at our total mercy. We’re not ‘monsters’, we’re a miracle of nature and I’ll tell you what we’ve done that’s unique to us. We won.

Best director ever

You gotta love del Toro. The man just has so much passion.

Toro needs to find God

“I also want to make them fight giant anime robots just for the hell of it.”

@@FatherMcKenzie66 pretty sure he's familiar with several

In its/his/her/their song, one of the singing voices mournfully sings about how tragic its/her existence is, and the other sings in encouragement, willing them to fight back.

bro is scared to misgender godzilla @@theojaggi3963

@@theojaggi3963 godzilla has no gender.

@@theojaggi3963 godzilla has no gender.

@@KingDrakoTyrell I think you mean Godzilla is the gender he identifies as lol

Holy shit that’s awesome, Paarthunax is so cool

"so that players would not attack them" oh dear what have I done

It worked! In all of my playthroughs, I could never kill him. Not once. Giants, on the other hand...

You did such a masterful craft with Paarthurnax , I never once dared to kill him in my several playthroughs. While I just admired Giants, seeing them tending their Mamoths was just majestic. But what made me evade picking up a fight with giants was how prone they were to turn my Dragonborn into a Starborn by launching me to the skies at astronomical speed.

I always felt bad whenever I had to attack giants, they really are just chilling doing there own thing till you come and mess with them

nice thought, although in reality the term "grieving mother" is 65% accurate because "zilla" was a "mammo" (Italian for a father who plays the maternal role). and then he had not chosen that fate, because of those radiations he had become what he was (like Frankenstein's creature and many others).

That movie did not do justice to Godzilla. It did, however, do justice as a monster movie.

​@@germanomagnoneCould be wrong, but I thought Godzilla reproduced asexually. So it is the birthgiver even if male.

Much like the Horta in the 1966 "Devil in the Dark".

@@anib8863 "Zilla" yes, Gojira just found a young

in the case of a attacking monster its moreso "it cant hurt us anymore" instead of "yay its dead" although the ones where they just kill the monster for being different is evil

Nah, there's something disturbing about you. 🤢

King Kong 2005 hits harder with the scene of a cave showing many giant ape skulls. Kong was the last of his kind, and he was just unceremoniously gunned down like a household pest after unwillingly being dragged into the city.

@@dracodracarys2339 humans ruined most of the natural order of the world that way.

as someone with autism and various other "other"-ing things, I always saw myself as the monster. I see a beast that's being attacked for existing and go "oh, like me!". you don't have to have fangs and claws and scales to be seen as something worthy of being slain, even if you've done absolutely nothing wrong. i can't imagine NOT seeing myself in the beasts and monsters of stories.

YES I love that line >:]

i kinda hate tears of the kingdom now cuz it has all these details like this but never does anything with them and just has you merrily exterminating the bokos with groups of human npcs with zero subtext. it gives you this narrative indigestion that never gets resolved. ganondorf is classed under "monsters" in the compendium. but who was he before he started that war?

@@very_not_emo He was a covetous and cruel man who wanted to world to bow before his feet. He fits the definition of monster better than most of the beasts he commands.

This is why kilton Is my favorite character in that game, he doesnt see the monsters for the mindless killing machines they were but as the evolved and facinating creatures they became after their purpose was fullfiled

⁠@@NitroNinja324 It depends on the iteration. He’s a bit more sympathetic in some, and a genuinely despicable person in others.

In the movie, early, Kenai attempt to kill Koda's mom (unaware at this moment that she have a son, a cub) because she unvolontary kill her older brother. In revenge. While she didn't actually kill or provoked the snowfall that killed his brother. Its his brother that kill himself because it's him which provoke the snowfall in order to get rid of Kida's mom because she was just to attack his two younger brothers (including Kenai). So everything is due to a great quiproquo. (And things are quite difficult to explain here and here). But in defense of Kenai, he actually did nothing wrong to be punished at the end. When seeking for Koda's mom because she eat fishes Kenai should have kept for the tribe, it's Koda's mom who attack him first, which created the sequence where Kenai older brother die by a snowfall he himself created in order to save his two younger brothers. Koda's mom survived the snowfall and go. Kenai maybe go near her by him, but he didn't attack first and was in self-defense. Sure, after it, Kenai decide to seek again for her to kill her, and it's him who attack her first (or he again is surprise another time by her, didn't see the movie since a time), but what matter is that Kenai technically kill her on purpose. And that Koda's mom who actually die by herself by empaling entirely herself like an complete idiot on Kenai's spear the latter rise up suddenly to protect himself (he did not actively throw it at her, which in this case would not be legit self-defense). So, Kenai maybe seek by two time Koda's mom, but each time, he actually get attacked first by her, and he killed her by accident while he was overpassed by her (she's a big powerfull muscular grizzly bear and him a typical human with a very basic spear, how a one to one fight with such fighters cannot result with the bear dominated the fight ? At one moment, the human involved no more care about winning upon him, just to survived the fight at this point). So, the fact Kenai end up being transformed into a bear is kind of underserved despite the appearances. During the movie, it could have being reveal that instead to be transformed in punition to have killed the bear, Kenai was in reality transformed to care about her son Koda. For me, it better and made more senses.

It really hurts me how good the bones of brother bear was, and how badly it fell from what it could be with all the bad comedy shoved in. Like I'm fine if you have it as a favorite movie as a kid, but the good parts of the movie makes it on a level with Atlantis the lost empire. It could have easily been one of the coolest movies, but they put too many silly jokes in it and it's just another forgotten kids movie

That movie is so underrated and deserves more respect for the different view it offered and the ending it chose, sure it has it's weak points but in all I found ti to be a good movie.

@@dudotolivier6363Kenai killed her on purpose, and the cause of Kodas mom’s death was strictly Kenai’s fault, who could’ve turned back at any point instead of seeking mindless revenge against an animal.

@@AtomikVomit Yes, and nope. He did indeed seek her two times on purposes (by throwing her small rocks at her the first time, and by following her the second time to be cornered the second time) and to made her attack him. But during the second fight, it still her which empale herself like an idiot on Kenai's spear that the latter have just suddenly rise up in self-defense right after retrieving it after losing it. So, he didn't killed her truly volontary as he wanted/imagined. If he managed to throw at her his spear to her and that this shot killed her on the moment and made her falling dead, here whithout any problems since it not defense in any way possible. It's Kenai's entire fault. But that not what happen in the movie.

Hello there!

hi content creator @azfk

What u watch this

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lol bro is in the bottom

The Pokémon got me in my feels so much when I was younger that now I have a plush of him. My favorite Pokémon even though I don’t play anymore

He's one of my favorites!

The scene of the atomic breath scene was actually very sad for me because of the music

something I wanna mention: while for the japanese it's played straight, it's essentially an inversion of the Ominous Latin trope for us westerners

@@rokkraljkolesa9317what do these words mean

@@jessebeegee you know how sometimes movies/games have ominous latin chanting/song lyrics? Who Will Know is functionally the same if you're japanese

@@rokkraljkolesa9317 what is latin music do u mean like salsa

Oh my god that was one of the first episodes my dad showed me to introduce me to Star Trek, and it is also one of my favourites!

@@xxxxx-iu4fw Yes!!!!!! It’s probably my favorite TOS episode. Although “Naked Time” is up there.

superb episode

That's one of my favorite episodes too!

The crystalline entity episodes of TNG are a great tragic story. It's a giant organism that fed off the living creatures on federation planets, but Picard recognizes it as a creature that's just living its life. He has a line about how we don't think a whale eating krill is evil, it's just feeding.

thats one of the things I admired about this particular godzilla movie

Ppl say this movie doesn't deserve to stand on the same pedestal as other Godzilla stuff. I genuinely thing that ppl should step off their high horse and enjoy it for how genious it was.

​@@alexs5814Nothing genius about that goofy movie made by a ego director

For a contrasting perspective, the Monsters franchise is more-so the opposite. It is been revealed since the very beginning that they are falsely taught that humans, especially, children are “extremely toxic”-only meant to harvest their “scream energy”. Yet Sully manages to break the chain upon discovering Boo, implying that not all humans are as “toxic” as they believed to be.

Yeah.... real shame!

cuz How To Train Your Dragon was dumb down version of these movies he mentioned duh

I love those movies🥲 Hold a special place in my heart

​​@@weirdcherrytasteyuckIt's not dumbed down. It has a story of it's own so the empathy of the "monsters" dragons here in this case are not as showed or high lighted why? Because it has a different story line. HTYD 1 can be as deep as the stories here, but not in the way CA is trying to convey for the "pure" or "scary" monsters here. IT'S NOT DUMBED DOWN!! JUST NOT AS SHOWN OR HIGHLIGHTED!! UGH. It has the same philosophical value CA has been trying to convey in!!! Empathy for the pain or suffering they face as being unusual and out of the norm for the world we "Created"/"Ruled" >:((

I imagine that's because we didn't write them to be monsters. A monster is something violent, if not explicitly malicious. A monster is a beast, a predator if it's cunning, that goes out of its way to invade places it does not belong. A monster is cruel, envious, greedy, violent, proud, and undeterrable. A monster knows no fear and cannot be reasoned or bargained with. A monster is arrogant of its strength and believes itself beyond the reach of death itself. A monster will demand all of creation bow before it, for it has no equal. Come to think of it, only a handful of people fit this description. Certainly not any animals. Only the worst of _our_ kind can truly be monsterous.

@@NitroNinja324 To be honest I think some whales are probably monsters. They are surely smart enough to understand the difference between good and evil. So with that in mind, there's surely whales which also veer into the side of evil, whatever "evil" is to them. After all, it's a known fact that some pods of certain dolphins such as orcas are friendly toward other creatures, while others are highly aggressive. Some orcas swim with pods of other whale species, and others will brutally dismember them for fun.

@catpoke9557 Intelligence gives you the ability to discern kindness and cruelty. While kindness can become more deliberate, cruelty can equally become more poignant.

“Man is more frightening than Gojira”-an actual quote from the movie

Shin Godzilla never actually died at the end of the film. The creature only wanted to seek safety from all of the horrendous suffering inflicted on it by its own biology desperate to survive. At the end of the film, it’s shown to have not died, but in a “hibernation” state where parts of it began evolving into humanoid hive minds.

@@asleepyb0i400 he died though. He was basically frozen alive WHILE he was in an evolving/hibernation like state.

Tbf he was a living breathing doomsday device

Those people he killed could have had full, human lives. I see their tragedy’s, but I can’t feel bad. It’s very nihilistic how it’s always, “Humans are the real villains” and never, “That evil bastard Godzilla needs to die” Aside from GMK and Minus one.

I was totally expecting it to come up. But perhaps that would’ve been too obvious.

I remember that one, 'Lon Po Po' by Ed Young, adapted from a Chinese version of the story

@@emilyclark3725 yeah, loved the art in that one. Watercolor if I remember correctly. And you're 100% correct. It was from a Chinese tale.

Even more poignant as both Japanese sub species of wolves are extinct due to humans

Yeah!

I mean, who doesn't?

Thank you Gorosaurus, you truly live up to your chad status.

@@BurningGGaming I'm more likely to root for Mothra or Gamera, the only Godzillas I really cheer for are MV and Showa and sometimes Heisei towards the end of his series, and I just feel bad for Shin. I don't really cheer for Goji otherwise.

Cause it’s his movie 💪

👍

Hilichurls in genshin impact also aren't evil by nature (fucked up curse happening there). Though they now resemble monsters, they were people once

​@@typowynieogarwhy do so few characters have sympathy for the hilluchurls? I'm know the majority dont know that they're actually cursed humans, but I mean that none Express sorrow remorse or a sense of longing for a situation where we dont have to fight them all the time :( I only think this because one of the commision quests show it's possible to communicate them, albeit primitively

@@mentlegen3887 1% of the time - they may be doing absolutely nothing harmful, 99% of the time they are near other dangerous as fuck things

Omg I thought of them too. They love yummy foods. U can even put on monster masks and go say hi. And when u do, they’re a really jolly lively folk. They dance with u, follow u around, and eat foods, expressing gratitude

When you see a perceived "enemy" doing something you yourself enjoy, it connects in a very special way. That's how empathy is born, and it's so curious how it seems to happen more often on games, movies and books rather than in real life.

Ive never looked at it that way. Bloodborne is my favourite game ever, and it has been since i played it in 2018 but you just gave me another reason to love it and hate it at the same time

Vicar Amelia is also MAJESTIC compared to the Cleric beast, or the vast majority of the other bosses in a way that just makes the WHOLE thing feel like a Princess Mononoke level war crime against a "beast" that frankly doesn't deserve to die. . .

@@KS-bo5bg oh my God Yes! Majestic is the only word I can use to describe her!

Oh man... Much like Ludwig in the DLC. I remember feeling so bad for him after the fight :/ When you talk to him a second time (wearing certain armor sets), there will be dialogue where he asks "Are my church hunters the honorable spartans I hoped they would be?". You can either tell him a comforting lie 'Yes', or a horribly unpleasant truth 'No', since the hunters over the years had become blood-drunk*. Telling him no, he says "Oh my... just as I feared. Then a beast-possessed degenerate was I, as my detractors made eminently clear.." he rabidly neighs and whinnies as he then succumbs to beasthood then says "Does the nightmare never end?!". Interacting with him furthermore will just play dialogue bits of him making crazed beast noises. Telling him yes, he says "Ahh good, that is a relief. To know I did not suffer such denigration for nothing. Thank you kindly. Now, I may sleep in peace. Even in this darkest of nights, I see... The moonlight." Then he goes to sleep, peacefully. Further interacting with him will just play play sounds of him snoring and sleeping. Also that 2nd phase theme for Ludwig is godly. Btw if there's anyone that's reading this that still hasn't bought the Bloodborne DLC, go buy it! Go go go! Edit: woops, missed a few words

Funny. The one that did it for me was Orphan of Kos. It was just a newborn who doesn't know of anything and the few moments where it looks off in the distance is still etched in my mind. It just felt wrong fighting a newborn who is thrashing you with a placenta

Basically the least evil monsterverse villains

and then there's Ghidorah who just wants to see the world burn. did kinda feel a bit bad for the left head tho, he was just a curious little lad who wanted to lick everything unfamiliar pfff 😂

@@ruffruggednraw Well yeah but the Skullcrawlers are just animals too- not their fault they're an invasive species with hyperactive metabolisms leading them to consume everything in sight.

The MUTOs are some of my favorite kaiju of all time, both for their astounding creature design and for their story, and how the two mesh together. You look at this thing and you can be scared of it, but they also look like a natural animal that could feasibly exist in some long-forgotten ecosystem.

@@dracodracarys2339To be fair, even Ghidorah has his own sympathetic qualities. It's never explicitly said, but it is still implied that Ghidorah is trying to conquer Earth because he has nowhere else to go. He's an alien from space, but then why doesn't he just leave back to his home planet? Maybe because he doesn't have one, not anymore. Ghidorah doesn't terraform the planet because it's fun, it's because he wants to finally have a feeling of being home. And it just so happens that this terraforming of his would be lethal for 99% of living beings.

Unfortunately I find myself in neither of them

l feel the same so often. My personal favorite monster is Godzilla, as his existence is generally framed as something overwhelmingly strong and beyond our full comprehension such as Legendary Godzilla is or a pained beast that never needed to exist, as Shin Godzilla was. I especially resonate with Legendary Godzilla though, as he just kind of exists and that to humanity warrants the battering he gets by the gunfire, missiles and oxygen destroyers people throw at him. They hatch eggs of dangerous parasites he needs to stop, they release age-old aliens that try to terraform the planet which he needs to stop, and then after all that they try to make a mech to kill him and take his role! And in spite of all this, he never just gets fed-up and tries to nuke all of humanity, which, being king of the monsters, he definitely could do as of the end of his second film in the Monsterverse. In this sense, who is the real monster? That's also why I loved Nimona so much! The movie reframes the blame from monsters and outsiders of the kingdom to the system that the kingdom runs on. I don't wanna spoil too much in case someone hasn't seen it but I think you will really like it!

Yes, he says that while contradicting his own statement by having the big lizard destroy almost all of Japan, and for basically no reason either than that of making Godzilla known as a villain rather than having to be shoehorned into becoming a hero, let alone an “anti-hero” despite the damage and death he causes.

@@justaguyonyoutube4592 That reason being Godzilla was literally a metaphor for nuclear war, he’s been mad into a protecter while still maintaining his roots, just cut a bit short.

@@paleospino4956 Lmao didn’t you get big mad for correcting you in one of your cringe-inducing debates? You ain’t going nowhere boy, I’m taking you into the bushes.

@@justaguyonyoutube4592 That wasn’t a debate brother, you took it too personally for whatever reason. And once again, I’m not even mad, lol.

​@@justaguyonyoutube4592maybe because it was an anti nuclear warfare ad basically Also for being affected by the atomic bomb

That was an awesome game!

Haven’t heard about that game in a while. Never thought of it that way because I was pretty young when I played it. But you are totally correct. I felt pity for that dragon and loved him from the start. Thanks for reminding me, will definitely play this one again!

And it's kind of awful how it ends with all the wild tricos just...dying en masse. It wasn't their fault, they were brainwashed. Like the black trico who fights yours ends up just being confused and afraid once its mask is broken off.

@@dracodracarys2339 yes, but luckily at the end there are baby Tricos shown, implying the creatures haven't totally died off and are possibly able to repopulate!

One of my favourite characters in fiction is Korabas, the otatarel dragon from Steven Erikson's malazan book of the fallen. A colossal dragon who's corpse was reanimated creating a being that was an essential part of the series's magic system, at the cost that she becomes the eye of abnegation. The point where the stillness of matter becomes absolute, destroying any and everything in range. She's chained for millennia, then released by a mad god to break the system by which humanity could use magic. Pursued by the rest of her species there are two passages from her point of view that are heartbreaking to read, a being that seeks only to create, something. Anything.

Well, not quite. I think I know the painting you're talking about. That small dragon was likely one of the earliest paintings about that story, and thus the most accurate. Back then, humans didn't get very big - George was probably about 5' 4." The "dragon" in question was probably some species of monitor lizard, which could exceed 6 ft in length when they got lucky. It likely was an intimidating creature for George to fight, but in reality it was just a lizard minding its own business.

that's why I call him Frankenstein. I always felt like he deserved the name.

I wouldn't say he's human, more like he's humans

​@@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong V Rising named the monster "Adam" and I think it fits perfectly.

Wait, what minority does Godzilla represent? Mutants?

​@@reallycantthinkofausername487 I think the original commenter just wanted to convey that Godzilla is a monster who can be interpreted as being "oppressed or attacked for being born too different", like the other monsters. Don't take it too literally -- Godzilla doesn't actually represent a minority. Maybe it'd be more factually accurate to say that Godzilla (at least in Japan) represents Hiroshima but that's not really important for this kind of interpretation lol

Oh yeah!

same

Same! I feel bad if I kill anything to be honest

good! that's a great mindset to have in this wacked world@@YukiTheCat15

@@YukiTheCat15 Any normal person would

*Gojira

do you mean the novel by E.E. Knight?? That entire series is SO good, and it was so refreshing to see not just one novel, but an entire 6 novel saga, from the perspective of the other side. One of my favorite series of all time!

@@artificiary_ yeah. That one exactly!

Thanks for the book recommendation

I just finished Knight's Age of Fire series recently. His depiction of dragons and reasons for their different stereotypical habits are such an interesting, unique take. I found the ending to be a bit weak, but the journey was astounding.

that episode was insane. it’s so traumatizing to watch but so sad for the argentinosaur

I'm curious if you're old enough and American enough to have watched Ol' Yeller. One of the earliest instances of the innocence of my youth being shattered.

@@kylegonewild You just had to remind me of that movie. 🥲

I agree. In episode 3 of the HBO show, Ellie encounters a stalker stuck under rubble. From the way it was looking at Ellie, I got the feeling that the person that was still inside was silently begging to be put out of their misery. Also, in the games the runners always twitch and cry when not in combat, which leads me to believe that the people still inside try to regain control but can't.

well, not clickers. you're for sure dead after that.

@@TurokRevolution theres also at least one who’s attacking an uninfected npc and crying iirc so i definitely think the human is still in there

damn i think the twisted mind type transformed monsters are cool and kinda relatable but thats just horrifying

It's not exactly unstated. More like it isn't stated as fact. In the first game (not sure about in the show) there's a character who mentions a rumor that the clickers are all conscious and unable to control their actions.

It also is more tragic when you know zilla is one of the most hated Godzilla kajiu too

Yeah. IDK why people hated it so much, I think Zilla's design was pretty cool, I mean, sure it was different and not as mighty as the Goji we all know, but it had it's owj goodies that made it stand out, plus the series that came out after the movie it's hella underrated.

At least it's surviving son's doing alright

​@@VexxThePrecursor07yea, its a great design for a monster. Just not a great design for Godzilla. If you removed the spikes would you even know it's supposed to be him?

@@VexxThePrecursor07 Because Emmerich did everything in his power to character assassinate Godzilla to the fans. He made Godzilla vulnerable to conventional firearms, always ran away from an encounter instead of actively/passively engaging in combat, and removed his atomic breath (you know, the main signature attack that Godzilla is essentially known for). Also by removing Godzilla's dinosaur inspiration appearance for something more "realistic and animal like", you essentially destroy the core foundation and basis of what Godzilla is. Godzilla is not meant to be something natural on Earth. Godzilla is a reminder of mankind's arrogance to harness nuclear power and playing as God by trying to defy the natural order and mother nature itself. Emmerich did not want to create an American interpretation of Godzilla. He said in many interviews that he wanted his own monster. He only accepted the project because Sony was willing to fork over 250 Million USD to get him to make the film (mind you the last time an American Godzilla movie was brought to Hollywood, the initial cost of 50 Million USD was seen as absurd). When Emmerich read the prototype script from the initial pitch, he scoffed at it saying, "It just two giant monsters beating the living shit out of each other for the last 25-30 minutes. Who even makes movies like this?" Emmerich is hated by every Godzilla fan for a very good reason and I'm glad that he upset that Legendary's Godzilla is a far better Godzilla in design and character to his garbage. Tristar's Godzilla has more relations to Steven Spielberg's Jurassic Park and it no coincidence that Emmerich's film blatantly copies a lot of things from Jurassic Park too. I don't hate the design tbh, I think on it own, it can be a very good monster design. I grew up watching the cartoon sequel and I love it. It just the big issue of the fact that it slapped with Godzilla's name. I used to be many who called it GINO and refused to remember it for anything else but that but I've slowly moved on and accepted Zilla for what it is. Hate the creator, not the monster itself.

sif is a girl, not looking to argue just a common misconception

This confirms that dogs/canines are good bois and good girls

@@mistermidenightnope his Weiner literally flops all over the place and spews cream

I am autistic too, I also feel more empathy with animals than humans. And also found animal stories far more interesting than human ones as well monster stories.

I am not autistic but found your statement here enjoyable to read as a perspective that is apart from my own. Personally I am very empathetic and have great sympathy for others with their hurts, I became a healer over 10 years ago and feel all the hurts people may have, physical and mental, a person can hide very little from me. I recently found out I am also referred to as a sigma male, which also gives a very analytic view of situations and people. But I do have one issue, which is known as aphantasia, its where your mind is totally blank and no imagery can be created within the mind. All these together give me a very clear vision of the present moment and the outside world. I also used to have a very busy mind where I could not go more than a few seconds without thought comingbin to the mind, the time I became a healer was when I learned to control the thoughts, simply I learned that I was not the thoughts and they were simply a tool I can use that were out of control. Once I learned this I not only have a clear mind but is also blank and and very emotionally aware of my own emotions but also every other person's. The reason I say all this, apart from your spewing of thoughts in a comment as inspiration but also I think there will be something for you here. Over the years I have learned that society has become so harsh with nature being a victim to it like us, there are very little birds, bugs and animals for us to enjoy and experience that as people we are searching for distraction from this. I feel the distractions you have picked are the better choice if I'm honest, those stories can contain inspiration and creativity of imagery and story which is not bad, you are enjoying something that was created with a purpose to tell a story and be enjoyed. But in society today so many choose other distractions that bring them no joy, no way to be creative or simply enjoy a story. The world around us all is bringing such distress and misery for many, and I see it in the faces of people and feel their pains like it's my own. I am someone that talks with many strangers now as it's far easier to help them, but not always and gas to be done carefully, to see the issues that plague them is one thing, but to mention it in an attempt to have them see it is another. People lash out and thrash, and snarl like a dog when faced with the truth, not an exaggeration. The biggest issue we have today is there is very few ways to achieve self worth and fulfilment from anything we do, even if you do a job that would give them, a monetary gain for those actions is given, it takes much of the real reward away. Our hands are often tied by the system of that's not your job let them do it, your not a scientist, your not a doctor, meaning no opinions of scientific or medical value is even considered as its not your job. It's a system of know your role and stay in your lane, meaning no growth or expansion is available. People feel trapped and isolated, and are only given algorithmic paths to walk upon or games that are either numbing and repetitive or filled with monetary hurdles or vast time constraints that make it a job or a heavy monetary burden, all these produce fear or take away the real enjoyment from the activity. There there are people that have found the best way to feel something is to create bad feeling in others as a way to feel something for themselves. Life has become very difficult for many and the route issue is money and those that wish to manipulate others and systems to gain more of it. I say all this as having less empathy for others could be seen as a negative, but after reading all this pain you could be experiencing from others, it becomes a way to dull those incoming pains that would just bring more pain to yourself. I feel its your bodies way of protecting you. So I would say live your life and enjoy yourself as you can give a little enjoyment to those of us that can feel it, you maybe the only person someone meets that week that is happy. Is that a gift or a burden, and is empathy a gift or a burden. It depends on the situation and I would say while the world is bad its a gift, but if we can make the world a better place it would be a burden to not feel the joy of others, I do feel your body would not feel the need to keep protecting you from it so if you saw it as a burden it would be released. If we can strive for true self worth and fulfilment and have no limitations of our experience, then I believe we could all enjoy this world together. Also not proof read, and spewed out just for you and others that may have the patience to read our comments. Much love to you! All of you!

mothra :3

I never realized that pacific rim was an allegory to hurricanes, but it makes sense.

i was about to comment something similar, i'm autistic too and i have always preferred stories about animals or monsters or other non-humans over stories about humans. i especially like it when the characters themselves are the creatures, like in Wings of Fire where the characters are dragons. i find stories about just humans to be rather boring, perhaps because i feel i can relate more to creatures like dragons than to humans, or maybe just because i like animals.

Only for the Godzilla (2014) to basically undo that.

To be fair, they are bad example because they are mostly just big animals, rather than especially monstrous. Aside from things like Fatalis, which are less about defending themselves and more about annihilating humanity.

From what I recall, the hunters actually hunt monsters as a conservation effort, culling the dangerous ones so that the ecosystem can stay balanced, which is why they're so focused in the elder dragons, as they are unnatural creatures. I think the older games even have mentions of a guild that hunts poachers.

​@@cienkitv2854yep there's a lot of fluff dialog about keeping the balance, hunters do all types of things like tranq and tag monsters, reroute monsters that have roamed to close to settlements, and even help stop invasive species from threatening ecosystems. There's a lot that goes into the the world building for the hunters guild, it just wouldn't be as exciting to do those things so gameplay wise it's all about hunting and capturing.

@@infinitezion2029 Really? I would love to play a game like that. The 4X games formula etc is really rung out.

@@cienkitv2854 Yeah, the ones you hunt are invasive, if I recall correctly

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That's actually a very helpful correction. Helped me understand what I just read.

Also as our fears change the scare factor of older monsters falls away until we are only left with the human parts

He probably said that while really high.

To invoke Dark Knight quotes here is a bit of a meme, but "You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain" makes sense to come from Nietzsche-ian roots.

Fear the old blood?

@@thisgoddamusernamestoodamnlong fart the old blood. That usually works for me...tho, I don't think you're supposed to fart blood *per se* -- be it new or old -- but, I'm just another stranger on the internet

@@RevelationsPrimo you hunters are strange ones indeed.

that final battle is so brutal.

Completing a game over 100% has never felt so guilt-inducing! 😅

Smaug destroyed two entire kingdoms to get their gold. lol

That's not true at all, whenever a knight, hero or Saint was sent to slay a dragon it was either because it would destroy villages and poison crops, or ruled over the area like a tyrant demanding treasure and human sacrifices. Dragons were embodiments of evil and greed in mythology, they were very rarely just minding their own business when slain.

Well you obviously didn't read any classic dragon stories then.

I said fairy tale dragons. Dragons such as from Norse mythology like Fafnir are quite monstrous.

@@PyritePlays8431 Yes but even in fairy tales, it's usually the case that the dragon has either kidnapped the princess, stolen the kings treasure, or is just a general terror to the land and has some reward for its head. The fact that knights waited until they were asleep or drunk or just minding their own business to kill them doesn't mean the dragons were innocent, it's a common tactic to hunting predators.

not true at all just because a monster is portrayed as inherently evil and seeking chaos and destruction doesn't mean its bad or poorly written it just means its a different interpretation of the subject. Sometimes people want to write a story of overcoming a great evil and often times the story they write is really good it doesn't mean its "Poorly written" because the monster is a thoughtless being seeking carnage. Both can coexist at the same time and have their roles in media just because one is more complex doesn't mean the other is poorly written it just means that a different story and perspective is being told.

@@trollwar3256 Yep. Sometimes you just want a monster to be just that, a MONSTER. Something that knowingly serves evil or who needs to hurt or destroy others (and feels no guilt or regret about it) in order to achieve its goals or even to just exist. Heck, something that downright enjoys killing or harming others. Or all three. If they can make it so you fear the monster ALL THE BETTER. Nothing wrong with sympathetic monsters: I've enjoyed plenty of games and movies where things weren't all black and white and where at least some of your foes were sympathetic or at least redeemable, even the nonhuman ones. But even then, the monsters had to be dangerous, had to be or seem bad, had to have a scary element. But I also have plenty of games and other entertainment where the baddie is really bad and, esp if they look invulnerable, act cruel or haughty (or both) I just love to see them lose.

Alright I get it my take is bad. I just think that it heavily depends on the writter if the thing that is playing the monster role is entertaining/interesting or not.

I disagree, "evil" forces of nature characters like the joker or a monster like a demonic spirit, should exist and can be good characters Not everything needs to have a tragic backstory, to me that's what feels cheap. For example in demon slayer, basically every villain has a to have a tragic backstory and that's what makes them all incredibly one dimensional and boring. The least boring one was douma, a demon who didn't have a reason to be evil, he just did it because he wanted to.

Yeah. No. No one has to do what you say.

"I end up sympathizing with them more than my own species." That seems more of a concerning _you_ problem than an overarching monster thing, dude...

@@mrreyes5004 Why is it a.problem?

MH quests have always been an enigma to me, some I understand like when when the monster has actively attacked a caravan or town, then there's the missions that go something like "those monsters near the town are too loud at night, go kill 'em".

I understand that lore wise hunters are like conservationists killing invasive species but the gameplay reflects that so poorly that it’s hard to imagine you aren’t the villain. Things like the arena mechanic and all the missions that seem to just be kill that animal I don’t like. Without the cutscenes and background lore you’d be hard pressed not to interpret the monster hunter games as anything other than a story about a band of ruthless big game trophy hunters.

Makes me wonder what could constitute as “disturbing” its transformation. What could stop its transformation and turn it into a creature that’s entire existence is agony. The guild hunts them down as a mercy for the poor Magala

…And yet in the second movie the Queen wouldn’t have attacked had her eggs not been unreasonably destroyed. She only attacked when threatened.

@@Yesthatduckthe queen was dominant in the hive mind and exercised control over the warriors and drones. The entire purpose of the eggs was to infect animals (humans) for incubation. She wasn’t looking to peacefully cohabitate.

@lillimichaels2431 LOL The Queen's job is to sit and make eggs. Of course she doesn't attack. Queens are telepathic, basically controlling the hive. @wedge_one I really liked the journey we are shown in Alien: Resurrection. Our former hero is reborn, but now she is the monster. ( I kind of loved this version of Ripley best. I wish we could have seen more of her traveling the human universe.) The alien queen is part of the hero. The final boss is mentally the hero's child. It cries when its mother kills him.

@@Yesthatduck she did try to sneakily open the egg to attack ripley, ripley wouldnt have to burn the eggs if queen didnt do that you can see ripley is just warning the queen with fire and try to back away, but one egg opens and ripley is giving a look like "really?" to the queen and then burns the eggs

@@Badficwriter i only wish they picked less violent method of getting rid of it, it was painful to watch