Well he does just refer to superheroes as 'supers'. And then you have the line "I'll sell my inventions so that everyone can be SUPER. And if everyone's SUPER, no one will be".
“YOU SLY DOG, YOU GOT ME MONOLOGUING!” That’s honestly one of the funniest lines in movies, especially when you know that it’s basically them mocking the whole VILLAIN MONOLOGUE cliche😂
It wasn't the first time the movie mocked it, either. Remember Frozone's story in the car. Also, I don't think ANYONE could've played the role as well as Jason Lee did.
Syndrome is also probably the most dangerous and evil villain that Pixar has ever done too. The fact that he serial murdered dozens of Superheroes and manipulated them into trying to relive former glory all for the sake of building his robot to kill Mr. Incredible… Like Jesus Christ. That is so messed up.
@@NintendoSunnyDee Nah, he wanted to BREAK Mr Incredible and prove he was nothing. That's arguably even worse because it resorts to killing and destroying everyone and everything around him just to spite him. His death comes when it becomes clear he will stoop to ANY petty low just to give Mr Incredible the ultimate middle finger, up to mass murder and child abduction.
Syndrome is my favorite Pixar villain. Honestly one of my favorite villains in media ever. Not only do I like his sick design but also how he managed to build his hierarchy from the ground up using his vast intelligence. Plus, his dorky yet dark personality is very entertaining and never gets old to watch. All around, Syndrome is a very entertaining and amazing character and ABSOLUTELY tops Endeavor as a villain
While those two certainly share certain personality flaws, they’re still very different character. I agree Syndrome is a better villain but is he a better character? They’re different enough from each other that I’m not sure it’s fair to compare them like this.
Actually, I was thinking you were referring to Endeavor from My Hero Academia but now I realize you meant to say Evelyn Deaver. And yes, she’s just a worse version of Syndrome.
My favourite part about Syndrome is Capes defeat him twice. First was Bomb-Voyage putting a bomb on his cape and dooming him to lose everything. Second was his death.
Syndrome was truly peak Pixar villain. Nobody else can compare. Especially since his goals and ideals aren't inherently wrong, however the way he went about them is. The only thing that makes him a villain is that he was killing supers and willing to also kill their families, even the children, to accomplish his goals.
Technically, The Incredibles was made before Disney bought Pixar, and even still, Pixar is it's own studio. I do wish people would recognize "Disney" as "Disney Animation" by itself more.
@@OpticalSorcererIf it's owned by Disney now it's technically Disney regardless of if it happened prior to purchase. So calling Syndrome a Disney villain isn't incorrect
@@tanandalynch9441the movie was released in 2004, two years before disney brought pixar. Sure, disney owns the studio since 2006, but Syndrome is a villain from a pixar movie.
I just noticed because of this video, that Buddy had blonde hair that was most likely dyed to match Mr. Incredible even more. Syndrome has red hair, further cementing his separation from Mr. Incredible
well, hair changes when we age. Melanin and all that, genes unlocking, but that's a nice catch. Maybe he did dye it read or let it go natural to revoke MR I lmao.
Im still shocked by how mature this movie is for a kid's movie. I remember watching it for the first time when I was 8. The suicide scene confused me so much. I even asked my mother what suicide was. It was one of my first experiences with darker themes
Syndrome is also a disturbingly accurate depiction of toxic fandom: Buddy thinks that just for being the n°1 fan of Mr Incredible, thinks he is going to be his sidekick (sense of entitlement) and when he gets rejected, gets angry because his hero didn't act according to his expectations (lack of self awareness), thus lashing out against the very thing he claims to love (use of violence) and declares war against superheroes (willingness to burn everything down over a perceived slight).
Buddy wasn't a narcissist , he became a narcissist later on. People in pain only think of how it makes them feel , and feel alone as a result. I think that might have been the second time he lost a father.
Also to add: Kronos in greek myth is the Titan of time, and his death signfied the end of an era. By using it as his password, Syndrome was basically saying his plans were going to cause the end of an era The Time of Supers would come to an end
I'm just realizing Gazerbeam, carved the word "Kronos" in tbe wall. That's crazy to think now that while he was there, he managed to find some information and in a desperate attempt before he died, tried to leave a clue for whoever may ever find him. That's chilling. Great job Gazerbeam
It took me years to realize that the skeleton is what remains of Gazerbeam, like he was present at the wedding but went missing. The fact that he found the caverns to hide himself, carved the word KRONOS and stay there for years until he died.. is just really sad.
@@QueSeraSeraaaa In one of the deleted/story board scenes, he was injured and basically spent his final moments there from the omnidriod, carving out that word before perishing.
I don't believe that Buddy would have turned out any differently if Mr.Incredible had not rejected him or been nicer about it. One thing many people forgot is that Mr.Incredible also saved Buddy's life. So he could just as easily have been eternally grateful to Mr.Incredible and treated this as a wake up call to become a better person and pursue a new path. Buddy would have found some other reason to pursue this dark path as he was clearly trying to be a hero for all the wrong reasons and there is likely external sources that could have contributed to his Megalomania.
He prob did not notice the bomb,hence as if he did he could have removed jt himself. So in his head,mr incredible just jumped on him while he was trying to help,like he was not letting him help so he really wanted to "work alone" P.S: i havent watched the movie for years,so i dont remember if he did notice the bomb,forgive me if i got it wrong
Honestly, I don’t think Mr. incredible is responsible for how buddy turned out. Sure he may have played a role in the creation of syndrome, but it was made clear through the dialogue near the beginning that, but he was already on stocker level of obsession with Mr. incredible. So I’d say Bob was perfectly justified to be fed up with the kid at that point.
To be honest, saying Mr Incredible holds any responsibility for Syndrome's actions is kind of missing the entire point of Buddy's transformation into Syndrome. No one made Buddy into Syndrome except Buddy himself; in their very first interaction, it's established that Mr Incredible has been, at the very least, incredibly patient with an obsessed fan ("I've been nice, I've posed for photos, signed every scrap of paper you've pushed at me...") only to find that the nice approach has encouraged Buddy to actively put himself in danger. Like...Buddy ended that night almost being killed and we're supposed to what...feel bad that Mr Incredible didn't continue to put this kid who clearly has no idea how to actually handle himself in danger? Buddy is constantly placing himself first right from when we first meet him - he even *pulls Mr Incredible away from Bomb Voyage and almost lets him escape* because he wants to whine about not being allowed to be a sidekick. There's a reason why there's so many callbacks to Buddy's dialogue and actions once we learn Syndrome's identity: Buddy-as-Syndrome is fundamentally the same as he always was, he just became a lot more bitter and acquired the means to vent his pettiness onto other people. One of the most overlooked moments in the film is when we see Syndrome's flashback to the "I work alone" moment. In the scene as it actually played out, Mr Incredible was holding Bomb Voyage and all his attention was primarily focused on ensuring the villain didn't get away, the line itself is almost a throwaway comment and clearly one that's intended to wake Buddy up to the fact that he's butting into a situation he truly (as a minor, if nothing else) has no business being in; however, in the flashback showing how Syndrome saw/remembers that moment, Mr Incredible's attention is focused on Buddy, the line is treated as a dramatic rejection, and Bomb Voyage is nowhere to be seen. It's so quick but it perfectly captures just how self-serving Buddy's memory is at that point - the cold reality is that Mr Incredible never owed Buddy anything and Buddy himself spent that entire scene getting in the way...yet Buddy was still so obsessed with Mr Incredible (and the rejection) that he completely twisted the memory to make that moment all about himself and paint Mr Incredible as a bigger jerk to him than he actually ever was in reality, all because he can't accept that he was never entitled to or automatically owed anything by the man he chose to idolise.
@overlydramaticpanda That, and Buddy himself missed the point of being a superhero right from the jump. See your idol busy with a terrorist with a vest made of bombs, and an injured civilian within potential blast range? Offer to use your rocket boots to get him to safety. The injured civilian was about as important to Buddy as Bomb Voyage was in the self serving memory.
I'd never thought about his parallels with Dash before. That's an amazing insight! Helen definitely had a had in tempering the kids. Syndrome strikes an incredible balance for the audience, between empathizing with his motivation and beliefs, but understanding that his actions are still pure evil. Your point that he fixated on one bad experience with one person, while ignoring a much larger issue, is also spot on. Analyzing good villains is so educational for a fledgling hobbyist writer. Minor note, but you say "actually" in a lot of places it's not needed. Your energy is great and your excitement is infectious, but using it to emphasize most of your sentences can actually have the opposite effect. Just something to keep in mind for future essays.
well jack jack actually shows his powers first to the babysitter if you check the extras but people who didn't use too and or still have the dvd wouldn't know that
What always scared me about Syndrome is that for fifteen years, Bob just forgot about him. For him, he was just a random kid who he had every right to reject, not being the greatest role model in that moment, but still saving his life and trying to keep him on the right path by making him face the consequences of his actions. He probably already forgot about the incident a week after; yet Buddy was so changed by this incident that he spent the next fifteen years planning his revenge. Who knows how many other people secretly had grievances with Bob that he didn't know about; loved ones of people he couldn't save, loved ones of villains he defeated, other disappointed fans like Buddy. Who knows how many people he didn't remember were planning their revenge on him for reasons he didn't know. The thought that simply putting yourself out there as a superhero sets you up for a life of constantly having to reckon with the fact that someone you pissed off a decade ago could suddenly come in and ruin your life at all times is not only terrifying but also just sad.
I Remember watching this Movie on Theatres and was surprised Bobby was Syndrome as it was a Twist we haven’t seen yet,Syndrome is what the Reverse Flash becomes,a Toxic Fan that took things Literal and wanted to be like his Hero despite not being the Same that led him to a Darker Path by Rejection,as time goes by he became Unstable,Dangerous,and Unhinged to Others and Himself that he couldn’t see his Blind Jealousy that his Machine could Outsmart Him,Syndrome is One of the Best Well Written Villains of all Media.
Basically, think what could've happened if Batman rejected Tim Drake from becoming Robin. Basically, Tim Drake was the only one of the Robins that wanted to actually be Robin. He practically forced Bruce to make him Robin after he found out where the Batcave was (at least i think that's what happened). He didn't know the consequences of being Robin, and it costed him the life of his father and the trauma of his mother. So, he learned what it meant to wear a mask and become a hero.
Imagine Helen tells Bob about Voyd, it would probably be like. Helen: She became a superhero because of me! Do you know how amazing it feels to know you inspired someone like that? Bob: *remembers* Bob: That's great, honey
Now that im older i find more sympathy for bob when it came to buddy. He was right why should he be responsible for a kid that isnt his and buddy had already shown that he wont listen to mr. Incredible and let a villain put not only bobs and his life in danger but also innocent people because he couldnt handle the word no. Then buddy has the gul to get angry when put in his place. Buddy was not entitled to mr. Incredible's time or attention.
Plus Buddy didn't even care enough to leave upon seeing Bomb-voyage. He instead got closer and jeopardized everything, ensuring that Bomb-voyage escaped yet again.
While I liked part 2, Screenslaver wasn't as compelling, as we get no detailed flashbacks into superhero prejudice or how badly superheroes ruined her life; just a brief flashback with her own monologue.
Yeah like her motivation was pretty biased because we only see it from her perspective. Also doing what she did because the supers didn't show? Bruh they were outlawed of course nobody showed up they didn't wanna risk it. She got mad at supers for her father's stupidity. It wasn't stupid of him to call for help, it was stupid to call for a group of people he knew damn well couldn't help.
PS: (pardon the double post) I noticed that the name of the project "Kronos" is symbolic. In Greek mythology, Kronos was the king of the titans who were the rulers before the Greek Gods. The point of Syndrome's operation was to destroy the old "titans", to make a new age of "Gods".
This is a bit off-topic, but it's videos like this that make me hope Pixar will start bringing back more Villians into their films and I hope Elio their next film will give us a villain.
Something I realized is that despite his hatred for Mr Incredible, Syndrome/Buddy actually never fights him directly. They all either fight his weapons or fight him indirectly. In fact, the only super that actually fights Syndrome/Buddy directly is Jack-Jack in retaliation for trying to take him away from his family
That line near the end where Syndrome mentions that Jack Jack might even make a good "sidekick" is the most unsettling of the movie. It implies that Syndrome plans on putting him through the same emotional torment he felt he was subjected to by Mr. Incredible.
This is a bit off-topic, but a while back I read an article about the behind-the-scenes of Elemental that originally there was supposed to be a villain, but scraped it because every idea they had on it would turn Elemental into a superhero film. Then I jokingly said that they would have made the Incredibles but with the four elements. Now thinking about it they should have added a villain-like Syndrome into Elemental as a foil to the main characters to show what they could have been if they hadn't changed, basically a toxic relationship.
I think the great thing about syndrome as well as that in a way anyone could end like him. I’ve had people I looked up to as a kid and try to be like them but didn’t understand the work it was to do what they do. But I accepted that and moved on. But of course there will be those who don’t. And that’s syndrome
So when Bob was looking through the list of people Sydrome terminated and how gazerbeam was there, in the flashback of Bob and Helens wedding gazerbeam is I'm front row as well as a few other hero's in the back pews, this means Bob felt comfortable enough to reveal his and his wifes identities to these people, he wasn't flicking through hero's that were killed, he was looking at his friends, close friends.
Syndrome could serve as a cautionary tale in the sense that being a hero doesn't exempt you from being kind and gracious. And taking accountability for your mistakes. Mr. Incredible was cruel to Buddy and in a way that came across as blaming him for the failure. Not that I am justifying Syndrome's actions. Having suffered doesn't make it ok for you to make others suffers.
Buddy refused to accept no and not only caused a very tricky villain to continuously roam free, but put many lives, including his own, in danger. Mr. Incredible had to let Bomb-voyage escape because Buddy couldn't be bothered enough to accept no. Buddy is a civilian child with no powers or training. He's a liability and Mr. Incredible had no choice but to be cruel.
Mr Incredible wasn’t even cruel, he was frustrated that this kid wouldn’t leave him alone whilst he was on the job. Buddy had been bothering him all day at a fan club meeting, broke into his car, refused to listen to him then broke into an active crime scene. If anything Bob was showing restraint by not turning Buddy into a pasata
I do, though I frankly think it should’ve been done way sooner, at a better time so that it could’ve been executed properly, maybe with a better villain and plot. Still of course addressing the aftermath of the island being found, funeral for the fallen supers, maybe seeing former supers as politicians or something! Just anything better then what we got.
If you think about it, All Might and Midoriya is exact opposite of Syndrome and Bob. Where all might supported Midoriya and helped him get stronger regardless of what others thought/ what happens to him, Bob only cared about his image and put Buddy down because instead of teaching him what it means to be a super hero
Exaclty Bob doesn't see the value of having a sidekick like All Might did for example Buddy: Displays Gears and Bravery Bob: "Go away kid this is my spotlight" Midoriya:" Displays Bravery,Hero Move Analysis dispite being weaponless and powerless" All Might:"This child has selflessness and remained me what it is to be a hero"
@@tanandalynch9441That's true. Though I personally like to imagen that Syndrome tried to contact her about making a suit with a cape but she refused. By this point though he had such a big ego he made his own suit and even added a cape on believing he knew better that the professional who'd created them for years.
I gotta say syndrome is way better villain than Evelyn in the franchise because he wanted to become the only the Superhero at the city by killing the other heroes with the omnidroids including Mr incredible's colleagues who were last seen at his wedding before the superheroes became illegal after the suicide and the train incident which it was the last time Bob parr ever seen them again. He did all of this because mr incredible rejected him when he told to go home which causes him to have a grudge against him. Evelyn on the hand, she was too predictable for a twist villain like she wants the superheroes become illegal forever because she snd her brother's parents died to a home invasion where it mostly their father fault as he tried call superheroes but stupidly didn't realised that supers are illegal at that time meaning they can not response or appear to stop the crimes which got their father shot dead because he didn't went to the safe room with his family which the dumbest thing to happen.
He didn't want to be the only super. He wanted even supers to be rendered obsolete. "When everyone is super, nobody will be" Basically he wanted to sell his inventions to the public so that way there'd be no need for supers at all. Really the only thing that makes him a villain is the fact he was killing off supers to do it.
@@QueSeraSeraaaa I really like that part. That scene is only positive about the sequel. I think the weird part is that the family doesn't know that jack jack has superpowers which it shouldn't be a surprise since Dash and violet has their own powers. Like the babysitter has lost her sanity and memories of the situation.
On the point of evelyn's father, yes he was dumb. The reason the hero didn't show up however, is much darker (at least to my perspective). It depends on the timeline, but whoever he called might've already been dead. It took years for Syndrome to put his plan into motion, and he did kill a lot of Supers. The question is, was one of the Heros he called killed by Syndrome at that point?
I think the Omni-droid is better than Syndrome and I would’ve preferred if that robot had more screen time or at least been the focal point of the second movie instead of… Evelyn. I only say this because Auto from Walle is not classified as a villain.
It would be interesting if we had his story take place in between post Buddy Pines and his goal to eliminate Supers and building inventions and weapons
Whilst in concept that's a good idea I highly doubt that modern Disney would allow a film like that to be created, at least not without some heavy restrictions. Syndrome murdered literally hundreds of supers, put countless civilian lives at risk and likely causes massive warfare within external conflicts if his mono log about selling his weapons is true. Disney would never greenlight a big budget animated movie that included those elements. If they allowed it to happen they'd strip out or change a lot of the things he did so it could be more marketable.
Good day aldone, great job on this. Yet again, i eill sleep on this vid (literally) i love your voice and i love to think about what you're talking abt while i transition to sleep.
Just realised while watching the video that Syndrome's villain name might be a play on his Hero Syndrome complex both as a kid and even as an adult as a villain.
Incredibles Villains in a nutshell Incredibles 2 villain: hypnotizes a few people to make sure supers stay illegal Incredibles 1 villain: murders over 20 supers and plans to destroy a city with the same robot that killed all those supers so he could pose as a hero
Amazing thumbnail btw I love this. Incredibles is an amazing movie. Always. I don’t have much to say other than I feel like you pretty much said it all.
Super true, Syndrome is perfect and Evelyn sucks, it was for me obvious she a villain the entire movie, her motivation is lame and the only thing she has is her design 😩, syndrome has design but also carisma and porpose 👏👏👏
I'd wager Syndrome is one of the best villains 'in general', let alone just Pixar. Seriously, I miss villains as ruthless and competent as Syndrome. Feels like they're becoming more and more an endangered species
He is not just the best Pixar villain, but he is also up there with some of the best villains in superhero movies period. Right there with The Joker, Thanos and Magneto.
I think it's a testament to how good the Incredibles is because I can watch hours worth of people talking about the characters and I still come out with new knowledge/opinions
Remember when twist villains in Pixar movies weren’t only not that common, but they’d do an excellent job with the twist villains as well? I blame Disney for that.
At that point in time, nah. The law was already in place and villains were having a field day with what they could get away with. (Or likely quit/moved into civilian jobs, more long term goals of making things worse. As we have seen in real life, politicians and suits that act like villains. We’re just needing the hero to finally be made.)
“And when I’m old and have my fun I’ll sell my inventions so everyone can be superhero’s everyone can be super and when everyone’s super 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😈😈😈😈😈😈😈 no one will be 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂”best line in the movie and a solid evil plan
The english name carries quite the meaning.. Syndrome... the syndrome of so, so many things. Luckily the hungarian dub, which I grew up watching weekly, did the name justice too. His dubbed name is "Shard"
What's ironic is that Syndrome got defeated twice thanks to his cape. His first defeat was caused by the bomb from bomb voyage, causing him to lose his sanity and start his villain arc. The second one was caused by his plane, resulted in his death. I guess he doesn't learn his mistake. Really too bad.
In a way, buddy and bob aren't so different, b's in their name, both wanted the thrill, fame, and didn't realize there's more to life. The only sad bit is syndrome had no girl friend or wife to start a family with since he was so hellbent. So his experience was daunted. But I don't want people acting like he's innately evil and selfish, at least, if they don't see bob is at first as well, which shows us anyone can grow up and realize the hero part to being super.
What if Buddy actually was a super and just didn't know it? His power being super intellect? No normal kid would be able to invent a pair of rocket boots that worked as well as his did.
Also how was Mr. Incredible supposed to know that? And why was the fact he broke a few bones more important than the dude trying to literally commit die.
How long do we have to wait for another Incredibles movie? I hope it’s not another 15 years. Because I wanted to see the Glory Days of Superheroes before Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl get married.
While I agree with your assessment of the second movie I believe you're not exactly correct on the villains motivation, her motivation from what I can understand is the idea that people rely too much on supers and as such refuse to do anything or themselves, as they believe supers will just show up and fix anything so they don't have to. She believes this because her father could have saved himself but he was so reliant on supers that instead of taking any actions on his part to save himself his response is to try and contact the supers to do it for him, and she sees this sentiment in many more people as well, people who refuse to do anything to help themselves because "The supers will help me" so they take no action. She wants them to stay illegal because that would force people to have to act for themselves instead of waiting for someone to save them. You're also slightly incorrect about Syndrome also, he was always a narcissist even when he was a child, he was essentially stalking Mr. Incredible and Mr. Incredible initially tried to be nice about it , it wasn't until Buddy almost got himself killed and let the villain escape that Mr. Incredible had enough and stopped being nice. Like Buddy broke into his car and had been tracking his location, and despite being told repeatedly that Mr. Incredible didn't want a sidekick and that all of this could result in Buddy getting hurt he wouldn't listen and didn't care. He doesn't remember Bomb voyage because he didn't matter to him, he doesn't remember the bomb that was put on him because that also didn't matter to him, the only thing he cared about was Mr. Incredible and himself so thats how he remembers that scene, not being scolded because he almost got himself killed, not because he wouldn't listen, not because his actions let a villain escape, but because Mr. Incredible scolded him.
