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Synergy VH4 vs Diezel VH4 - Can the Synergy module go toe to toe with the legend?

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In this video, I shoot out the Synergy Diezel VH4 module against the legendary amp its based on
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Signal chain:
Mayones Duvell 6 Standard loaded with Dimarzio Titans
Egnater SS4 amp switcher
Lichtlaerm Audio the King in Yellow
Diezel VH4 / Synergy VH4
Two Notes Torpedo Live with an IR of my Mesa 4x12 OS with an SM57
Time stamps:
00:42 Intro
01:49 Test Setup
03:37 Module with VH4 Power Amp
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03:38 Module Blue Channel
04:09 Amp Channel 3
04:41 Toggling Blue Channel / Channel 3
05:12 Module Blue Channel
05:43 Amp Channel 3
06:13 Toggling Blue Channel / Channel 3
06:35 Module Blue Channel + OD Boost
06:59 Amp Channel 3 + OD Boost
07:19 Toggling Blue Channel / Channel 3 + OD
07:47 Module Blue Channel + OD Boost
08:02 Amp Channel 3 + OD Boost
08:17 Toggling Blue Channel / Channel 3 + OD
08:47 Module Red Channel
09:09 Amp Channel 4
09:32 Toggling Red Channel / Channel 4
10:22 Module Red Channel + OD Boost
10:47 Amp Channel 4 + OD Boost
11:11 Toggling Red Channel / Channel 4 + OD
11:49 Module Red Channel + OD Boost
12:05 Amp Channel 4 + OD Boost
12:22 Toggling Red Channel / Channel 4 + OD
13:15 Module with KSR PA50 Power Amp
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13:16 Module with KSR Blue Channel
13:32 Amp Channel 3
13:47 Toggling Blue Channel / Channel 3 (KSR)
13:59 Amp Channel 3 + OD Boost
14:20 Amp Channel 3 + OD Boost
14:40 Toggling Blue Channel / Channel 3 (KSR) + OD
15:26 Module in Randall RM100
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15:27 Module with Randall Blue Channel
16:02 Amp Channel 3
16:36 Toggling Blue Channel / Channel 3 (Randall)
17:04 Module with Randall Blue Channel + Od Boost
17:23 Amp Channel 3 + OD Boost
17:41 Toggling Blue Channel / Channel 3 (Randall) + OD
18:04 Final Thoughts, Observations & Conclusion

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4 сен 2024

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Комментарии : 62

@scottpeters4401 3 месяца назад

Close enough for Rock and Roll as they say..I wouldn’t be able to tell which was which,especially in a mix..Every module I have heard sounded really good..

@FlankinspanK 2 месяца назад

the d rect thru my mark 5 fx loop and 2003 recto 412 is stellar

@ryanmccabe7821 14 дней назад

Great vid. The different poweramp comparisons really show the significance of the poweramp colouring the tone

@eds4754 7 месяцев назад

can’t wait to check this out! thanks for doing it, love how you present this stuff. Would be great to see how some digital emulations stack up against these too. VH4 is such a beast of an amp, I don’t think anything is quite the same as owning the full 4 channel monster.

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 7 месяцев назад

Cheers, mate! Yes, the amp is still the king of the hill but looking at what you get for the money, the module is hard to beat. I just bought a Tonex pedal, so I might end up looking into the digital side too

@eds4754 7 месяцев назад

@@TheOtherJohnBrowne Absolutely! Also been very impressed by the VH4 pedal based on the comparisons on youtube. I think you’ll like ToneX once you’re up and running, it does a solid job of capturing rigs. The algorithmic stuff is awesome too but takes a few more considerations to match tones (but with the ability to adjust like the real amp). Curious to see how you get on!

@lordgraga 7 месяцев назад

Kinda subtle, but I definitely draw the same conclussion as you: There's a sense of "immediacy" in the real amp's preamp that you don't get in the Synergy module. The low end in the module sounds slightly more congested, and transients are ever sos lightly less pronounced. Depending on what you want from a Diezel VH4 it's probably fine. I really liked Zach Wish's demonstration of the amp because he hit some of the low gain tones/rolled back tones and really showed the authoritative definitelion and low end end bloom that this amps gives (German style of course).

@marinkovic87 7 месяцев назад

Honest channel, honest reviews, honest guy. Thanks for all the work you do and giving us your content, John!

@bhosterman 4 месяца назад

Great video. I think in the context of a mix you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference. My ear hears a bit of sag in the amp under hard chugs. A blooming effect where the module sounds more instant. But just ever so slightly. Slight resonance and presence differences too. Again, all would be rendered moot in a mix. I think the character of the Diezel is there in the module.

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 4 месяца назад

Agree

@fredcolameo3095 7 месяцев назад

The module sounds very authentic. That would make it even more similar in the mix. And I certainly wouldn't notice any difference on stage. But what's most important to me is that I love this sound. Thanx, good Work..

@DeathMetalDevin 7 месяцев назад

They did good on that one! Great video too, thanks John

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 7 месяцев назад

Agree!

@Sagerydian 7 месяцев назад

Sehr subtile Unterschiede. Man müsste schon Haarspalterei betreiben, um die Unterschiede zu erkennen. Aber das tun wir beide nicht. Sehr guter Test, danke!

@lukzriffs1564 7 месяцев назад

The Module is pretty close . But that vh4 is just beautifull , optical and Soundwise ! ❤

@NickLeonard 7 месяцев назад

Great work as always! Sometimes I feel like the amp sounds a little more open in the mids, but other times I don't hear any difference, so it's damn close! Once again (I saw Kyle's video) I'm surprised at how big of a difference the power amp makes. I though maybe Kyle hadn't dialed them in perfectly, but this confirms it for me. The Randall seemed closer to the VH4 than the KSR.

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 7 месяцев назад

Thanks Nick! Yeah, I agree. The Randall surprised me a bit

@cycliclife7999 7 месяцев назад

Great video. Thanks for your honest thoughts! They're much appreciated. I can't wait for the VH4 preamp pedal review

@istvannagy9633 7 месяцев назад

I can't wait to see if the preamp pedal will sound/feel better than the module,like it was in the case for the Herbert module. Thanks you for showimg us more information on the Diezel stuff than the company itself! Great video,John!

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 7 месяцев назад

Cheers!

@amirtak9886 7 месяцев назад

Sounds super close. I sometimes think the synergy modules are better value for money than the actual amp.

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 7 месяцев назад

Often times yes. If you have a module carrier of some sorts, the modules are a great bang for the buck

@amirtak9886 7 месяцев назад

@@TheOtherJohnBrowne yeah the powerball is amazing too. And way cheaper than the real powerball

@tutatis96 7 месяцев назад

@@amirtak9886idk here in Italy a used Powerball 1 costs less than 500

@amirtak9886 7 месяцев назад

@tutatis96 in America its 2K usd

@zanthraxus 7 месяцев назад

Ah, Diezels ;) The module really sounds awfully close to the amp! Great tones as always! Cheers - really looking forward to the VH4 pedal. Time to revisit all those Diezel tones in the meantime!

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 7 месяцев назад

Cheers mate! Me too

@idiotburns 7 месяцев назад

Sweet, I am excited for this video, thanks!

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 7 месяцев назад

Hope you like it!

@idiotburns 7 месяцев назад

@@TheOtherJohnBrowneSo far the module/amps do seem most different when using boosts

@FlankinspanK 2 месяца назад

the head has a certain midrange gaaaaaangk sound that is subtle but very important

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 2 месяца назад

On point!

@ChrisCardenDrums 2 месяца назад

I've never heard any other piece that is as huge and articulate sounding playing chords as a legit vh4. I understand it's ungodly expensive and the synergy would get it done in all practical purposes, probably, but I'm also a guitar player, I don't really do practicality LOL

@RiffsAndLifts 7 месяцев назад

I was already looking for this video on your channel. Cool that it dropped now. Btw. right now I’m torn between buying your Randall and buying a Hagen and using it with my syn2.

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 7 месяцев назад

Cheers! I hope it was helpful. On the amps, I can only offer terrible advice and that is buy both. I am a hoarding consultant. Hard decision. Both are great imo. I'm actually considering pulling the listing for the Randall and selling the SYN-1 instead as I'm done comparing modules to amps for the forseeable future. I don't expect to have the budget for a Bogner, Fryette or Soldano anytime soon. 😂

@guitashmurtz4772 5 месяцев назад

Hi, thank you very much for this great shootout, I had one more question, is the synergy module sounding closely to the the amp than the vh4-2 pedal? thank you very much!

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 5 месяцев назад

I'm afraid I don't know as I don't have that pedal. I do have the single channel VH4 pedal and will be shooting that out against the amp in the near future though

@guitashmurtz4772 5 месяцев назад

Thank you, it will be great!

@FastRedPonyCar 7 месяцев назад

Sounds awesome but the trick is if you don’t have the real amp to slave its power section, what’s the next best thing from a practical budget standpoint. Duncan power stage, Fryette power station, a rack power amp, KSR lunchbox power amp, or just run into a good cab sim and roll with a DI signal. 🤔

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 6 месяцев назад

That is a great question and would make an interesting video for sure. I don't have that much experience with dedicated power amps. I hear the Fryette stuff is supposed to be great

@FastRedPonyCar 6 месяцев назад

@@TheOtherJohnBrowne With any luck, I'll have at least one video out next week with the SYN1, XTC module and the 2 notes CabM+ and the Waza TAE. Our bass player has my powerstation using it with his quad cortex. It's still a killer device (especially for the decently low price they go for used these days) but, if I'm being honest, it's a bit weak hitting for a 50 watt tube power amp. It doesn't hit NEARLY as hard or as loudly as my SLO or Jubilee, which are both 50w amps.

@gab.lab.martins 7 месяцев назад

Minute differences when in the same power amp, but that can be a consequence of even the way you pick the strings. Sounds really fucking good. I wonder what are the differences between this and the Savage module. Would you consider making a video comparing the "German Giants"?

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 7 месяцев назад

I'm open to make any video if there is a demand/need for it. The problem here is, I don't have a Savage module anymore. It might be my least favourite Synergy module. Unlike the Savage amp, I did not like it at all. I could compare the amps.... but that doesn't really help you, right?

@gab.lab.martins 7 месяцев назад

@@TheOtherJohnBrowne yeah I really love the Savage amp for rhythm tones. But I can't afford it, and it doesn't cover all the sounds I need, so the module would solve the problem if it was good. If you come across one again, I'd really like to see how it fairs against the VH4 module. Is there any you would recommend to approximate the viciousness of the Savage amp?

@kahlrhoam6769 3 месяца назад

Great video, I’m a new subscriber & aw, SH!+! I’ve got a tic-tock attention syndrome. 🙄🤘

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 3 месяца назад

Haha! Cheers

@ITheFight 3 месяца назад

Both sound really good 😅 Is the synergy module relay controlled?

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 3 месяца назад

I believe so, yes

@RhombusZero 7 месяцев назад

Did you mention which cathode settings you used on the module? I couldn't find mention of it.

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 7 месяцев назад

I did not mention it. I used it in the stock setting recommended in the manual.

@idiotburns 7 месяцев назад

note: I for some reason the thought the module was Ch. 2 & 4 from the VH4

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 7 месяцев назад

The VH4s channel 2 is more of a heavy crunch channel. Not a lot more gain than a JCM 800 on that channel

@idiotburns 7 месяцев назад

@@TheOtherJohnBrowneIm over here using my Blue module channel that way, haha 😂

@wolfgangfranken2041 7 месяцев назад

Diezel ❤

@ryanmccabe7821 14 дней назад

Did you ever compare the pedal to the module?

@TheOtherJohnBrowne 14 дней назад

I had both at the same time but never A/B'd them directly but the pedal was great too. Caught the spirit and feel of the amp well

@dblink6228 7 месяцев назад

To my (non-amp elitist, plugin-using) ears there's really no contest. The module gets very close to the general profile of the amp but has very little of its snarling, guttural character. Like if someone could imitate a good singer but by tightening up their throat and sounding stifled rather than being able to let loose. And that's not to say the module sounds bad in general, just in comparison to the actual VH4 I would say it does.