There's been some concern so I should clarify: Kim Kim was not triggered by that scene in the game. She was upset that the game developers chose to include such sensitive subject matter. If she was triggered then we wouldn't have played at all. Another part of our compromise that wasn't discussed in the video was that Kit go back and play a mod that allowed you to save Sayori so Kim Kim could feel better for the character. -Wyn
Wyn & Kit was so serious. And then Kit blasted in with "YEAH FORGET ABOUT THAT NOISE I WANT MERCH" Almost sprayed coffee all over my laptop HAHA Dammit Kit you're best friend material for sure
I've never played it; I have PTSD and Major Depressive Disorder. I've endured... Horrible things. I get triggered into flashbacks easily by specific types of things. As much as I like horror films and games, I have to be exceedingly careful about the content I choose to watch or play or read. I can understand KimKims aversion and distaste for it completely. But I also understand that those who are not affected in the same way as I am deserve the peaceful enjoyment of whatever they like to watch, play or read. I feel like you guys came to a good compromise. Reminds me of a dispute in my mom's system over fishing. As in, going fishing. The body is not healthy and can't handle much for excursions and they suffer when they disregard physical symptoms and limitations. Also, fishing is an expensive hobby all around. But one of the system members kept pushing to go and finally ignored everyone and went anyway. It caused a lot of upset. Those who were fronting after had to deal with the physical fallout; money was spent that wasn't expendable at the time and a handful of the system members had moral objections to the hurting of fish. So it was quite the kerfuffle. The good news is, they decided since he was very passionate about fishing but that they had limitations, that they would set aside money for fishing simulators and add-on content, and also to arrange one supervised trip a year with my brother who also loves fishing, with the concession it would be catch and release only, to try to meet halfway on the animal cruelty issue. Emotions calmed down. Everyone is more or less satisfied with the resolution. There's often smaller disagreements and compromises, as there tends to be when many people are weighing in on an issue. Working together is important every day. I'm glad you three were able to sort it out so that everyone can enjoy their own time 💕
You guys should watch The Game Theorists videos on it, if you haven’t already. They really break the story and the characters down and reveal some amazing info that might help Kim Kim feel better about the game because it’s really interesting and ground-breaking in the gaming world ❤️
I'm obviously way late, but I feel like adding that Game Theory really plays up the horror element, adding new jumpscares and similar content to the review itself, which can be very alarming. Watch carefully!
First of all, the thumbnail was absolutely hilarious! Props to whoever made it, they made my day. Secondly, yet another beautifully done, highly informative video. Personally, DDLC is one of my favorite video games of all time. But I can understand where Kim Kim is coming from too, as (spoiler and trigger warning) Sayori’s suicide hit very close to home for me and was quite difficult to swallow.
I had a major panic attack at that part too. I knew it was coming. I was playing with my brother and that came up, I threw the computer into his lap because it hurt too much. I didn't get to see the glitching, but I saw so much of myself in Sayori. My little, Alice, came out for a few minutes but couldn't handle it either so I came back out and had to explain to my brother that I was okay. I now love the game but still can't stomach that scene entirely.
If you haven't done one already, I'd like to see a video which explains how all of you coordinate your efforts to make the videos in which several of you appear. The continuity in such videos must be hard to achieve, and I imagine achieving it requires quite a number of tricks. It'd be fun to learn the process. (It might also help other DIDers who want to do similar work.)
Aw you guys I love that you shared this, I think people often think it’s all either happy families or all out war in a DID headspace when actually there’s a lot of little compromises all the time. Or big ones 🤣 and yes, bribery is most definitely a thing in our system too 🙈 -Ash 💜
I've been binge watching your videos the last few days. I wish you could return to RU-vid. The way you describe your experiences resonates with us and brings us lots of comfort. What you're doing in this channel is very helpful. You most likely have your reasons for not being around here anymore, and I wanna say I absolutely respect that
I’ve never commented before but I figured I should tell y’all how much I LoOoOve your content!! My roommates and I sit down and watch your videos every time they come out. Your lives are so fascinating and you’re such entertaining story tellers! I literally gagged from laughter when Kit said “FUCK that noise... I want merch!” Keep it up! I just joined your patreon
I'm extremely suicidal at times and honestly.... I played Doki Doki and laughed really hard the whole time. I think I was laughing so hard as a method of self-soothing because I don't think suicide is funny in real life. I was so startled by it that my first reaction was uncontrollable lol. It got to the point that I wanted to play more to see if I could predict what might happen next. Idk, my reaction was definitely a coping mechanism because if I saw people do those things irl, I'd be crying... A Lot. But, I also make jokes about suicide at my expense as a coping mechanism around ppl I trust very much. I'm so sorry that KimKim has been having to go through with this. Having both of you be at odds must be frustrating :(
Oh KimKim you are adorable. The editing in the beginning with KimKim just saying "we are going to talk about this stupid game that I hate." And then jumping to a cheerful Wyn. Gave me a good chuckle! Glad most of you enjoyed the game. It's so interesting!
I love that shirt. Yuri is my favorite because I like her design and personality. I want to replay it someday. Maybe when the next project from the developer comes out.
Oh I totally relate to the needing merchandise of a new interest. If I find a new thing I Love I need to gather things about it and have new knowledge about it.
I just read up on this game. Sounds super intense. It’s interesting that you are able to play it. I see why Kim-Kim could be upset. While your not doing it to deliberately hurt her, she’s probably feeling a bit betrayed because of the trauma in the game. So when you ask her to step back, does that mean she can go somewhere else in the headspace and be oblivious? I think it’s awesome that you respect her wishes and not have any game material around. In saying that I’m just so proud of you all!
I fully understand where Kim Kim is coming from. I don't really like how *spoilers* Sayuri's suicide is just used for cheap spooks. Like, the depiction of her depression was pretty good during the build up to her death, but after that it just becomes torture porn.
@@GavrielAbrahams You're welcome. Yahtzee's review of it pretty much sums up everything you need to know about the game, though I'd like to put a small trigger warning for all the sex jokes he makes in his reviews just in case that's something that bothers you.
Your videos are incredibly educational, very interesting, and it's fun to get to hear from everyone! Even on the serious videos it's still great to hear from all of you and hear your story. Keep up the good work!
I love this game but would NEVER recommend it to anyone who suffers with mental illness. If you think you would be fine playing this game, go ahead, I really enjoyed it for the horror. But if that material bothers you then definitely stay away.
I like this video, it does a good job of explaining the challenges of solving conflicts within a system, while at the same time showing that the interpersonal relationships between parts/alters in a DID system are really not that different from other interpersonal relationships. The only difference is that we have to share the same body, which makes it more difficult in a lot of ways, but also can make us closer emotionally than any two or more people who have separate physical bodies. It can be very difficult to explain to non-DID folks how interpersonal relationships within our systems are similar-ish, but yet very different... But I think by telling this story, it will help them to understand it better, which will help to normalize our experiences. So thank you for this video! We really appreciate you-all doing such a good job of educating about DID! - Leyna
Can definitely relate to situations like this, including forced takeovers. We all try to be respectful and aware of where we are all at with things. If issues arise the first step is to try to talk it out together and come to a resolution that is fair and works for everyone. If that doesn’t work we get our practitioners involved to help work through the issues. Our Littles have actually dobbed us in to one of our practitioners, who they absolutely adore, because they weren’t happy with any of the resolution options that were being given. So they did a forced takeover and contacted her to complain and ask her to tell us off. She found it absolutely hilarious 😂
Her normal video makeup takes a long time. We've been super short on time between school, work, and RU-vid so for now the necklace will be her indicator haha -Wyn
To Kim Kim: I do like the game a lot, but I can very much understand why it can be triggering to someone, especially with what you've been through. I am really glad that you all came to an agreement so all of the members of the system can enjoy themselves, while not harming the others. You are very brave for finding a way to work through it. Have a nice day!
"...if you hate the game as much as I do, comment below and tell Wyn how stupid it is..." Thank you, Kim Kim. We laughed so hard and we needed to pretty badly.
I love this video so freaking much. And like all your vids, it explores deep and sensitive issues in a way that is vulnerable, well-balanced, and honest. It made me laugh and it also made me think. As a person who doesn't have DID but loves learning about it, I found this topic to be one that I can apply in my own life too, and I can see how much more dynamic and powerful the issue of cooperation must be for systems. Thank you for helping me understand!
I can't agree with Kimkim on this one. Just because the game may be triggering for some people doesn't mean it's a topic that shouldn't be used as a plot device. I've actually been very close to going through that particular initial plot twist myself, and was very impressed by how much they got right. I found it reassuring that this was an experience that other people were able to articulate. I've healed from my past experiences without any real trauma, and I can understand how this game would not be good with people PTSD or similar disorders. That said, I don't think it makes sense to blanket say that these plot devices are wrong. They explore some important, very real scenarios in a compelling way. They also do an execellent job of deconstructing the genre.
Ah, so that's the story Julie was referencing in her interview. Conflict between alters sounds like conflict between any other people except that alters deal with unique situations that come from sharing a body. Glad you guys found creative ways to work things out! (Also I love how Kit's solution was so her, and it actually worked) :)
I absolutely love Doki Doki Literature Club. While I can see why some people may struggle with the serious matter, myself I appreciated seeing things that I struggled with on screen for the first time. I feel like they handled the serious content matter surprisingly well considering, but I can completely understand why Kim Kim would be uncomfortable with it. I'm glad you could all work something out!
Lol I’m glad Kit didn’t get triggered by the game. Cause I ignored the trigger warnings and thought I could handle it but nope. It’s an awful experience when you get triggered but I’m glad Kit is ok and you were able to work everything out!!
I feel like there aren't enough channels like this! I've learned so much about my own system from all of you. Really want to do the same, but it's something that makes me nervous. Thoughts??
I sprained my ankle the other day and your video just cheered me up! It's great that you can find ways of dealing with inner-system differences (I dont know if theres a word for it in english, but in German the word "Meinungsverschiedenheit" literally means differences in opinions). On another note, since you all seem to be enjoying Anime: did you ever watch "Angel beats". It's by far my most loved Anime-series. Lots of love from Germany ♡
Oh uh Kimkim there's a file in there that triggers the first run thing of Monika and stuff. If you guys remove it, then it will run like normal and what happens with Sayori won't happen. It also has a little twist that got me a bit shook.
You look really nice today tho, Kim Kim (just sayin cuz I know how hard it can be to feel nice in your host’s body) all of you are pretty rad by the way, this video really shows how respectful and responsible you guys can be as a system
I really enjoyed watching someone play the game but did find it unsettling and and somewhat terrifying. I had no clue what it was going to be and after finding out needed to watch till the end. The same part about Sayori really made me upset and not feel good. Overall it was a great concept for a game. Definitely scary.
Thank you again :) a great video, I'm at the beginning of discovering my parts, and find myself loving something then having thrown it away!! Or for example one part of me loves this cereal and I ran out of milk, and then I went shopping as another part knowing I had to get milk, later the part who loves the cereal went down at night to get their favourite snack and there was no milk, then heard a laugh and "that will stop you eating yucky ****(the cereal)". So had the thought, "oh my goodness I am going behind my own back!". I felt completely nuts. I am a way off system co-operation but its great encouragement to see and I feel less coocoopuffs. ^^ thanx
tbh i also really enjoyed how smart the game is, too. my best friend hates it for the same reason kim kim does tho. i don't care much for horror, but i watched several gameplays. the characters by themselves are quite endearing, and i can relate, but the horror stuff is so intelligent i love it, even though every gameplay i watched made me more anxious lol. my best friend saw that part and he got PISSED and hated the game. he does respect the fact i like it and enjoys my fanart though. he is very clear about hating it regardless, and i don't blame him so it's all good haha
Kit: "And then I was like uh yea no forget that noise, I still want merch" AS;DLKFASDLFKJASDF I DEAD ASS LAUGHED. The difference between Kim Kim and Wyn's seriousness versus Kit's humor is hilarious.
Psst-- Hey! ... Over here! Wha- What?! You keep quiet & I'll give u a whole ton of Pokemon shi-- No way! That goes against my--Wait--Did u say Pokemon?!.....................😜 awesome guys, Merci's.
I love your videos. They are friendly and relaxing and instructive for someone who had a partner whom I believe has DID. I love her so much but much to the dispute of her new partner (he says its all in my head) one of her alters became fixated on him and in increasing amounts took over my partner and directed her at him breaking my heart. Finally one night she switched half way thru dinner and to cut a long story short walked out with the intention of getting to this other guy whom we had previously shared a house with as roommates. At times this alter would say she wants nothing to do with me then the girl I knew would counter this but became weaker and increasingly over ridden when in the presence of this guy. He thinks its all in my head. I have proof its not but at this point I dont really care what he thinks. She has stayed with him at times telling me she wants me back and wants to come back then switching away and saying she has to stay with him. The girl I knew often is bewildered when faced with me and looks upset and tells me she misses me. Unfortunately to all intents.. The alter that likes this other guy has dominance most of the time. He doesn't believe in it so alter B says to him "I want nothing with xyz". The girl I knew comes out in smaller and smaller amounts to tell me she loves me. She is kept tied to this new guy and I guess just accepts it. He monitors all her emails and social media and blocks me. She unblocks and he reblocks. Its possible a alter is doing the blocking. I dont know. Everyone has their own opinion. At times for a "singleton" mind such as me it has made me feel im losing my sanity trying to understand it. I keep coming back to the fact I love her and many of the alters grew in time to be good friends. Just one or two came to hate me. It seemed with another guy to focus on the ones that hated me gained a way of obtaining full control. I try to maintain contact but get blocked them unblocked. Others say she wants nothing to do with you, then the next day she messages me so proving them wrong. I could write a book on all the events which confirm either fantastic acting or DID. I dont doubt she could do well (acting) as she is talented but I believe its DID and she reluctantly accepted this until he came along and said no she suffers no such condition. Considering past events in her childhood the chances of a personality disorder not existing are practically zero. She has never liked to think anything is different and becomes angry (it seems she switches) if anything is suggested in that way. Yet all is explainable if you accept DID does exist for her. A example conversation "I like it when she drinks as I become more powerful". Around him or anyone else she will deny any issue and they will all give me the evil eye and say your wrong you have the problem. If I get her alone the alter concerned will admit its existence. Sorry I am writing a lot. She is now with him many months and in another country now. I cannot win as the new guy does everything possible to stop her talking to me including accessing her phone and accounts. She tries to talk but is extremely careful what she says to avoid making him enraged. Whatever control and lack of privacy she has doesnt seem to bother alter B at all. He is just perfect to her. I dont know if I have lost her forever. I dont know what to do. I dont believe in giving up on someone I love and who seems buried inside her. I know shes still there watching. I know I would break her heart if I gave up on her because of alter B. Maybe she would understand. I have terrible separation anxiety and have cried everyday since she left. If I had the chance I would encourage her to seek a formal diagnosis for everyones benefit. Her privacy is important to her so theres lots I wont say here but there are so many effects from her past it seems only a complete buffoon would not see there are different things going on. He just wants to keep her away from me. He is quite successful. Through it all I still love her. I cant turn it off.
Because I picture you as the separate people you are, I find I lowkey resent Kim Kim's inability to give you space to enjoy something you find interesting. I guess I just personally need boundaries and frankly I don't like being told what to do lol. But in this instance I guess it's like when my brother plays the TWO songs he's written, in his room, for HOURS as he tweaks chords, and I just have to live with it.
Huh. Never thought that DDLC can make people experience so intense feelings. I myself suffered a lot with flashbacks, depression and quite severe suicidal ideations for as far as I can remember, but I wasn't as impressed with that scene for some reason. It didn't trigger me. It made me feel sadness and compassion for both Sayuri and the protagonist, which I don't mind, because it's an uncomfortable, yet still beautiful feeling. I'm really glad I'm still capable of that. Monika really pissed me off, though. And that's about it. I guess I have somewhat desensitized myself to such things at this point. But realistic bullying scenes, child abuse and stuff like that in most movies are definitely one of the hardest things to watch.
Great video topic and you guys did a good job at telling your story clearly. Hope you're all doing well and loving yourselves! you also have awesome hair!! Stay cool x
3:41 you get random emotions ex machinama that stop you from doing stuff too?,i get the angry stuff too now. Im pretty sure it happened with other stuff too.
Horror is awesome, anime is awesome. so they must be awesome together. I haven't gotten around to playing the game, its on our computer but the only ones of us who want to play it haven't gotten a chance to. That said most of the problems we have usually involve food and cleaning. Some of us are neat freaks some not, and we all like different food. Particularly the little one who only eats mac and cheese and ice cream. The best and only solution we've got so far is to alternate who picks what to eat that day, and it works pretty well provided someone doesn't force everyone else back when fronting. Which is an entirely different problem on it's own. I kind of think about it as caring for a family.
I'm so stoked that I wasn't the only one who hated ddlc like they shouldn't have picked such a sensitive topic to portray. I wouldn't have minded so much if the creators made an effort to portray depression and self harm a little better but it just seems so forced for a cheap shock value. Oh and I'd say our system works relatively well because we found it's quite easy for us to talk to each other inside the headspace but we do still have a lot of currently unresolved problems which are rather small but still annoying like "Who hid our notebook?" Or "Who wrote on the table in chalk?" Which are more of lack of communication on one of the alter's parts than an actual argument. -Moon
I really like your style where everybody is edited together in a video :) I understand it doesn’t fit every videotopic of course Edit 1: cool t-shirt Kit haha Edit 2: ’I sat down with her’ at 4:22 would that be on the beach? I watched all your video’s but these things still sound complicated to me.
I met with her in the headspace, yes. While I'm fronting, I can go into sort of a meditative state that allows me to see the headspace and talk to the others face to face. If someone else fronts, though, I still go to the dark place. -Wyn
I couldn't even make it through the plot synopsis of that game on Wikipedia without being disgusted and horrified. I do not understand why people like stuff like that.
Wyn and Kimkim - *are arguing* Kit - “while they did that I made a deal that if I could get a shirt I’d buy Kimkim Pokémon cards” Idk I just found that rather amusing...
Very interesting to see how you all worked through disagreements like this. Do you feel that this has helped or hindered building the trust between Wyn and Kim Kim in the long run?
Is this how "feeling conflicted" can manifest for someone with DID, as literal inter-personal conflict? Or am I completely misunderstanding what's going on here?
It’s bigger than just feeling conflicted. We can each individually feel conflicted within ourselves. This is different personalities having different ideals. It’s a whole new level of “inner conflict” lol -Kit
Hello!! So good to watch your vedio on Monday♥♥ A lot of friends of mine also play dokidoki. Although I didn't play it but I know what the big twist in this game is like, and I agree it's horror😂😂 So good to see you finally solve the problem♥♥and Wynn ,Kit , Kimkim you guys are so pretty♥♥♥
I loved it, but my sister seemed to get really triggered somehow when we played it together. She got depressed and wouldn't talk to anyone, this went on for a couple of days. Then, after she had cooled down, she wanted to continue playing. In the end she liked the game more than I did! I wonder why...
I don't know. This feels wrong. It's not OK to do anything just for fun when it makes someone else so upset. Say drinking alcohol might be fun for parents but very upsetting to the children (even when they have grown up). Same is especially true for any horror. You were saying to KimKim not to watch, but she is part of the system, she cannot be fully switched off from it, and especially when you've seen something once, even if it's just a little, sometimes it's really hard to stop thinking about it, and especially when there are people around you who keep reminding you. Seeing how upset KimKim was even in this video where the situation is supposedly resolved, I cannot see how it can be justified by any amount of fun provided to Wyn and Kit.
Oh I totally understand when one part gets triggered (oh! well, upsted! mad, angry about) by a game and the others want to continue!! I don't know if I'd be able to play that game. I already have it but... I've heard if you're sensitive you probably shouldn't... hahahaha.
This video was really interesting! I gotta say I kind of agree with KimKim on this one though. While I understand that you want the free time and space to do what you enjoy, this whole situation feels like if a friend were uncomfortable with something but you kept doing it anyway. Glad you guys could figure it out though! 💕
Gotta love kit's no nonsense solution! I work in a school and one of the little kids i know has played that game (they're about 10) and they LOVED it, its very concerning actually o.O
