A lot of people are commenting about your EQing but if it sounds good in the room, it's good. It's hard to judge from a video how it would have sounded there but I couldn't hear anything terrible so good job! If the client is happy, it's good.
Blimey you've made life complicated for yourself. You leave the L&R running full range ? and you hard EQ the subs to the point of not working . You mention phase, well you will have phase problems in the way you run the system. Your observation of the room and its problems were well founded. Please consider that too many knobs are not a good thing. I am not a luddite and have used digital for many years it is way better than analog. ( My first desk was a Soundcraft Series 1 way back in the late seventies ! ) But consider digital to be like using a computer for the first time, if you don't know your manual systems in theory & practice well, you will only make the same mistakes faster & worse. Best of luck I mean no offense. Regards Rob
I’m glad you’re not using graphic EQ, but I think you should reconsider the amount of EQ you are using. Generally subs only need narrow band cuts where there are aggressive room modes and not a low pass because they generally don’t reproduce frequencies that will compete with your mains. I do run a gentle high pass on my main tops matrix so it doesn’t have too much low frequency information repeated. I only run EQ cuts on the mains for problem frequencies that are causing feedback and only gentle and wide cuts if I need to do some tone shaping. Often less in more. If you have the subs and your crossover set well, you generally shouldn’t need to EQ your channel strips too aggressively either. I’m happy you’re actively doing sound and getting your hands dirty! Keep doing and learning everyday.
Probably THE BEST working explanation i have seen this year… anywhere on RU-vid. Well done - great to see the band sound. Keep it coming plz! Thank you 🙏
Great video !! I have just got the presonus studio live 24r and this was very helpful, not the same system I know,but similar surface control . It also has Q-mix which each band member can control their own in ear mixes . Still learning the system. Thank for some real world mixing . Some big halls can be a real challenge ! 😎👌🤙👋
Hey Shawn, I have a 24R as well. I have a playlist on that console too. I am still digging into it, all the videos are things that I am learning as I go. ru-vid.com/group/PLxszCPSjfl3t-aIyDwJHkT1rgO2nh4eXi
I use the same M32C as in this video and my band uses the Q-mix system for their in ears as well, no complaints with that actually unless they use an android phone for some reason. My biggest problem is my band is always late so we have short short sound check and the rooms always have crazy reflections with marble floors and walls. Oh well
my rule of thumb is “if it sounds good, it is good” everyone is dancing, the singers look happy, the band looks happy. who frickin cares what the eq looks like. trust your ears
i start laughing when he works on the subs till the end of the video, you made my day with that stupid equalizing, I call that video - how to bring a system down without touching the master faders ! .-)
@@billylaguardia look at the equalizing, you bring the hole System down in every step you do, what will you do on a open air with 10.000 or 30.000 People ? Order more stuff or 20 Delay Lines ?
Right at the beginning you couldn’t even hear the subs. He has no bottom end coming through those subs. Any bottom you can hear is coming from the top speakers. You should probably just put them back in the van
@@rusinjeff5959 1. This was filmed on a GoPro strapped to my head pointing at the floor. Which as we all know is the pinnacle of sound capture. 2. Did you only watch the video on your phone? Despite the lack of a quality capture device, I stand by the mix which for my taste has a good amount of low end that is tight and controlled.
Theres some interesting stuff in your video but Holy Candlesticks.. taking 80Hz out of the subs and rolling off the Vox at 200hz? I'm off to play some reggae and weep into my beer!
The subs are fed a full range signal via a matrix. The built in crossovers have a very gentle slope. This means that higher frequencies from 90-150hz are being duplicitously set to the subs and the top cabinets. This to my ear sounds muddy. I like the subs to handle a very narrow frequency range around 40-75Hz and the tops handing 75Hz up. The way I mix, this achieves a very tight low end. Try it, 40-75 is perfect for dub.
Talking about how Midas and Behringer Preamps sound different but applying tons of EQ curves that will create more phase issues (and with that: feedback) is just.... i don't know... It sounds like your PA is not meant to be the PA you're looking for. A good PA can sound awesome in various rooms and might only need minor tweaking. Until a channel hits your speakers you've applied like 4 different EQs. (Channel, Bus, Master, Matrix). You lost a ton of volume and headroom with that approach.
Hello. I enjoy watching your useful videos. Can you share how you adjusted the EQ assigned to Matrix in this video? How is it different from the adjustment made to the Main Speaker's EQ? Thanks in advance for your help.
I feel like you’d not understand eq…. Not only did you never adjust any bandwidth you just seemingly drag filters and drop until it sounds better with out really taking a measured approach. To the lighting console for you for 3 months sir
Why do you pick on the high freqencies first, during system tuning? If a sine wave in a one-channel line carries a population of low frequencies which become a carrier wave for higher frequencies, then higher frequencies have a bumpier ride before they start? You only have fifteen volts peak-to-peak according to the DC voltage supply in the analog world. In the digital world, signals become decoded and processed; then re-encoded into the amplifier outputs which feed the speakers and in-ear monitors. Again: Why do you pick on the high frequencies first?
The high frequencies are the first to feed back with this type of deployment and also the most painful to the ears. All inputs have a HPF on the channel which take care of any low frequency issues say on the floor tom or Bari sax.
yesterday I mixed for the first time a band, i followed a ton of videos, mainly yours, sadly it went horribly, my ipad was way too dimm, feedback everywere even tho i applied a ton of eq like you did, etc. in defense we did not have time, before that it began to rain like crazy, were rushed, and also the boss had its methods and i had mine, he said you apply ay too much eq, killing the sound
Welcome to running sound for a band, it’s always going to be tricky. Live music never usually happens in spaces designed for live music. It’s often mixing a band in the corner of a bar or a boomy room. Tough gigs are going to happen, it’s best not to get discouraged and use them as a learning experience. So much of live sound is anticipating problems and solving them before they happen. Using a lot of EQ isn’t a one size fits all approach. I use EQ as needed to get the sound I want and eliminate feedback. The rooms that I mixed in my videos required that much EQ to make the band sound the way I wanted. That band was a wedding band. They had people making speeches in front of the PA, 4 singers, a horn section and were generally in boomy rooms. That much eq was needed as I couldn’t change the placement of the PA etc.. Generally, live sound can’t use preset methods. It’s about training your ears and understanding what methods will work with the rig you are using and the room you are mixing in. Good luck on your next gig!
@@billylaguardia Also they hay in ears, makes everything way easier, please, and i beg you, do a video on bands who use floor monitors and how to route em, if you use pre eq post fader etc it would help us so much!
2:03 - That's not EQing the subs. That's using EQ for gain control. What is that - 18db out of just about every frequency? Using EQ this way adds more phasing issues than simply turning down the gain 18db and using smaller EQ moves. 2:16 - don't you think you should check signal before you start tuning/EQing the system! LOL....... 7:05 - again that is using EQ as gain reduction. Honestly I had to stop watching the video at this point. The techniques being shown in this video are completely wrong. This guy needs to fix his gain structure before he starts to "tune" his rig.
I have a GoPro on my head. The hand held shots are using my iPhone. My video shooting/editing skills are lacking...these are easy for me as an audio human to understand!
This is exactly how to NOT tune a room! You're applying a LOT of unnecessary EQ, you're the example of someone who EQ with their EYES instead of their EARS! You're also ruining the PHASE response! 🤣
Did you watch the whole video? I showed the room, the speaker placement and 4 singers standing in front of the PA. I gave reasonable and logical explanations of why I was doing what I was doing. Assuming I did EQ with my eyes, wouldn't my EQ be flat to appease the comments section? I am not the singular authority on sound. However a wedding band with 12 people crammed into a corner in a country club with people singing and giving speeches in front of the PA requires different methods than a club, theater or arena show. If you have any suggestions that would help a room / set up like this sound better, I would love to hear them. In fact, I have 2 shows in 2 similar rooms this weekend. I will gladly employ any and all of your suggestions and credit you in the video.
The covers are the ones available from RCF. The bands has a custom stretchy fabric (technical term 😂) logo on the grills. The fabric claims to be acoustically transparent. I would concur with that statement.
Hey Billy, Love your videos and learning a LOT!!! Question: looking to up grade my digital mixer. Presently have a QSC Touchmix 16. I'm stuck between 2 different mixers that I've seen you use (Presonus Studiolive 24R and the Midas M32C/DL32) and wanted to know which one you prefer. I Have a cover/corporate band and would be strickly used for live applications. Looking forward to hearing back from you!!
Hey Sergio! I prefer the Midas for live sound. I like the EQ’s and the general workflow in Midas land. The 24R is more suited for recording. If I wanted a console to use as a studio interface, the 24R wins. I’m building a new M32c system. Keep your eyes peeled for those videos. I am going to make a m32/24r comparison video soon.
@Billy LaGuardia That's what I figured! Thanks for the feedback and look forward to any videos you'll have on the midas M32C and DL32 setup and tips! Cheers
Sure. Digital mixers work just like analog mixers. Assign an aux to a physical output, send to your fx unit, then patch the fx unit’s output to a channel input for the return.
Yes the M32C plays well with Android. You can’t use the mix app on your phone, you will need a tablet. You can use your phone with the M32Q app for individual monitor mixing. You can use the 3rd party Mix Station app to mix on your phone if need be. Some people prefer the Mix Station app to the Midas app.
Pls I will like to know if dis fixture is available for Beringer X32 , cos i don't av Ipad nd I use my fone I mean android fone , pls ow can I go Abt it
Do you think I should change the title of the video? I don’t want to mislead people into thinking that they too can make a band sound good in a difficult room.
Maybe. But based on what? Graphics? So, the way to do this is to make minor tweakings, so that the graphics look nice despite the poor sound quality in the room? Interresting. I always thought that the range is there to be used AS REQUIRED, which is the case. Also, he not only put the reasons in the subtitles, but explained them again at the end. Between a nice looking, inside the rules EQ and a great sounding system, I'd rather go with my ears, instead of my eyes.
Awful room to mix a band. Keep overall mains level low as possible. Drums are mixed to loud (in my opinion). In a live room that small you can almost run the drums without any feed in the house (monitors only). Note- The room will sound completely different when people fill it up....
My mom told me that I’m the best sound man she knows. She also said that a 31 band EQ aka a graphic EQ will never beat a parametric EQ. Please send a video of your system EQ in this room so I and the rest of the comments section know what to do next time we mix there.
11:15 Got us some muse there! Love how quick you are with the iPad, I'm looking at doing more gigs on the iPad myself but I need to improve my speed to match or exceed a standard console
1- Previously record the band for virtual sound check when needed. 2- Teach the band that sound check is part of the show. 3- If 2nd option does not work, get a professional band instead of an ammateur one.
My preferred approach is to smack the musicians across the face with my iPad for always complaining there’s traffic en route , but the previously recorded idea is a good one, will look into it.
I’m just starting to get into learning how to run audio I have an X-32 what do you recommend for a router I see your tablet runs super smooth and no lag
Oh man, it was really laggy in this video. We use a standard Linksys router. You don’t need to go crazy with the router. Obviously the newer the better to make sure it has the latest protocol.
@@billylaguardia I bought a used one on Facebook marketplace but it’s extremely laggy and makes the audio go crazy before it catches up 😀 just wondering what other people use since in your video it looks really smooth
Over all awesome setup however in my opinion you don't have true control of your subs. I thought doing the same setup you have was the best way then I started working with 2 different people one is currently touring and the other one is a former touring engineer. Both have shown me that for basic 2 way setups using a L/R/C OR M fader setup you have more control. Sure you get the Crossover points however when your channel EQs are set properly along with your specific L/R and M/C EQs the sound is more controlled and you can send what you really want where you want it... For example I run 2 bass line a Low and Hi. I do this mainly for monitor reasons however of you send just the low to the subs and send the High to the tops you get a more controlled response from each frequency set...
