T-54 vs CENTURION Mk.3 | 100mm BR-412B APBC Armour Piercing Simulation

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The T-54 and Centurion are 1st generation Main Battle Tanks, both entering service shortly after WWII. The tanks proved to be extremely successful, with derivatives of both still in service today.
The simulation presents the result of a100mm BR-412B APBC round impacting the upper plate of a Centurion Mk.3 at 1000m. This round featured a blunt nose, making it especially effective against a sloped plate; while this will not turn it towards the armour, it does help reduce the amount the round is turned away from it. The shell is assumed to impact around/in between the track links which are often mounted on the upper glacis, however it is likely that the round would still penetrate even when striking the spare links.
For the simulation, the BR-412B round has been modelled with progressive hardness to post-war good quality standards (upto ~600vpn around the nose). The Centurion Mk.3 plate has been modelled to 260BHN (equivalent of British I.T 80 armour). The explosive filler was omitted for simplicity but may not have detonated due to the chamber being ruptured.
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@SYsimulations Год назад

It wasnt long until this plate was upgraded, either with an applique 2" one or replacing it with a thicker monolithic plate. Both of these should stop the round but the turret maintained a similar level of protection.

@tommeakin1732 Год назад

It's only logical to do a follow up sim of this round vs that upgraded plate at either the same range, or a closer range where the round has a better chance! Who knows, perhaps you could split that into a couple of sims; one with a the thicker monolithic plate, and one with the 2" applique to see if there's much of a noticeable difference there

@gargean1671 Год назад

Turret was quite badly protected, in both penetration and survivability regards. As for tank in whole... I would disagree with you that Cent was widely successful) If one look a bit deeper into it, it will become clear how objectively awful it was in most possible regards, and most of its export success wasn't really export success but politics or lack of choice for receiving state.

@tommeakin1732 Год назад

@@gargean1671 There's always one guy that has to try to bend innocuous and uncontroversial statements to fit their obviously politicised and biased perspectives. If you want to find examples of politics being the primary result for a piece of kit finding *a lot* of export success, you basically exclusively have to look at the countries that are the prominent empire builders of the day. Individual deals can be political between any nations; but when it's on a large scale it either means the kit is good (in every way a piece of a kit can be good, including cost and availability of parts), or the nation in question is one of the day's big empire builders; or it's a bit of a blend of both if all in question are lucky lol

@xXx_VECTOR_xXx Год назад

Hmm, what about simulation Maus vs Ping Pong ball AT LIGHTSPEED?

@Hydrazine1000 Год назад

The RU-vid algorithm presented me with this beauty from the Battle Ship New Jersey channel: Apparently in WWII the Japanese devised an aircraft to kamikaze fly a 20" diameter shaped charge, backed with 6400 lbs of explosives, to sink battleships. With an assumed 1:7 diameter to penetration depth, that shaped charge would have been able to punch through more than 11 feet of battle ship side armor. See ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-9KlFxbF8hrs.html Now, that would appear to be worthy of a simulation attempt!

@tokencivilian8507 Год назад

I think it's safe to say that even without the explosive filler, that Centurion would be messed up badly. Great sim as always SY.

@Vlad_-_-_ Год назад

The filler does not behave like you see in War Thunder, making a massive sphere of shrapnell. In fact there would be not much difference in fragmentation between a solid shot and a shell with bursting charge at all. From the point of view of the crew, if the shell enters the hull and shrapnells they will at least be injured if not dead all the same and the tank is out of action at the very least. Why do you think nobody bothered with adding some kind of burst charge capability to sabot rounds ? It's just not needed.

@morgus9892 Год назад

The filler of the round got completely destroyed, it would not have exploded.

@FlourescentPotato Год назад

imagine a shotgun blast of metal chunks exploding into the metal box you're sitting in. It's not even debatable that this would be awful

@morgus9892 Год назад

@@FlourescentPotato That is sadly not how it works, at best if the filler round penetrated a perfectly flat plate it will explode and just extend the initial cone of shrapnel entering the tank. Filler is only really useful on ships and that's only with big enough calibers.

@Mach-2-Fishbed Год назад

@@morgus9892 That's not what the British found. When they tested Soviet BR-412 they noted that "The detonation of the explosive charge has the effect of shattering the rearmost portion of the shell into five to six pieces as the shell exits the rear of an armour plate, supplementing the large spray of secondary projectile fragments and spall from the armour plate itself." You also need to consider the filler itself and what effects it may have. The Soviets used A-IX-2 for their filler, one of the more important elements being the 23% aluminium powder. This gave it a fairly dangerous incendiary effect. Those aluminium particles can also form a layer of aluminium oxide over them, which can delay the burning further increasing the chances of igniting flammable materials. This is one of the reasons the Soviets used A-IX-2 for just about every APHE type round but used A-IX-1 for large HE-Frag rounds.

@freedomisntfreeffs Год назад

It would be very interesting to see how much the Centurion Mk.5/1 variant with the 2-inch plate welded on it would perform in the same situation, and if it mattered.

@SYsimulations Год назад

It should stop the round, and may simulate that at some point :)

@Postoronniy Год назад

@@SYsimulations Would you consider testing that against BR-412D round too, to see what difference in performance there might be? And also maybe BR-412D against M48 UFP?

@peasant8246 Год назад

@@Postoronniy BR-412D (APCBC) would be inferior against highly sloped plates like this.

@petermcglone135 5 месяцев назад

In the Arab Israeli wars there were cases of Centurions stopping as much as 10 hits and still in service.

@ThatZenoGuy Год назад

Yeah expected result. 100mm cannon was quite powerful and Centurion had armor comparable to the Panther.

@u.m.9931 Год назад

No, it had better armor (at least the upper glacis) but it could barely hold against both tiger's and panther's gun (pen was around 138mm at i think 1500m and centurion upper glacis effective thickness was 140mm

@ThatZenoGuy Год назад

@@u.m.9931 The UFP of the Centurion was comparable to the Panther. 3 inches at 57 degrees vs 80mm at 55.

@KidAmogusSussy Год назад

Could you make a video showing how the dozer on MBT's affect the penetration of a round? Thanks and keep up the great work man

@kobeh6185 Год назад

That explosive filler would probably push the half of the shell exposed to the perforation right into the crew compartment

@ant4812 Год назад

That was cool. How about 20 pdr APDS Mk.3 vs. the front of a T-54?

@ant4812 Год назад

Or perhaps Mk.1 would be better for comparative purposes?

@WavyTail 6 месяцев назад

The Mk 1 would not pen at all but maybe mk 3 would pen

@TheBaseUK Год назад

A significant emotional event

@Thurnmourer Год назад

I like how at first it looks like the armour will stop it but the round just gouges it right open with its arse end.

@kubald3863 Год назад

how long does it take to simulate this scene and what graphics card do you have to compute this?

@petrkdn8224 Год назад

graphics card dont compute these simulations, its the CPU, and for high quality simulations it can take 1 to 2 days, but it really depends on the complexity and detail level, you could abosuletly make a simulation (which is deemed detailed enough) to be simulated in couple hours, or a simulation so detailed it could take weeks or months to simulate

@jintsuubest9331 Год назад

In his case, about half day is the correct time period.

@morgus9892 Год назад

Could I propose a simulation of 2 shells, BR-365A and BR-367 against Panthers UFP? I would love to see how they would compare in that aspect.

@Sebmundo 3 месяца назад

For 85mm? I don’t think they would penetrate

@samray2895 Год назад

T55 was the best tank of its era, good gun, decent armor and excellent mobility. So sad to see those tanks being dragged out for a way that it no longer belong

@safn1949 Год назад

LOS of 139.54 mm M60: 3.67 in (93 mm) at 65° 8.68 in (220 mm) LoS M60A1-M60A2-M60A3: 4.29 in (109 mm) at 65° 10.15 in (258 mm) LoS I served on the M60A1

@evanwilliams1839 Год назад

Unsure if these are requests or commissions, but I think a super Pershing against the front plate or turret mantlet of a Maus would be cool

@SYsimulations Год назад

They're a mix of requests and my own choices :) I can tell you that both of those parts of the maus would have no problem stopping the pershing. Thanks for the suggestion though!

@corncraftknives9391 Год назад

Hey, I like your simulations! How do you know the material data such as strain rate depending Flow curves?

@SYsimulations Год назад

Thanks! You can find decent ones in journal papers but ive adjusted the parameters myself to better reflect reality

@corncraftknives9391 Год назад

@@SYsimulations I See. Which material data do you use for input besides the flow curves?

@4T3hM4kr0n Год назад

0:49 hoaaa DAMN look at all that Paprika going into the fighting compartment

@peasant8246 Год назад

Would be interesting to see a comparison of the same target against BR-412D APCBC shell. It might even bounce with minimal damage on the other side of the armor.

@AFT_05G Год назад

Why would it bounce off a relatively thin plate like that?

@peasant8246 Год назад

@@AFT_05G Smooth nose wont "bite" into the armour as well as a flat one.

@limibaen 2 месяца назад

@@peasant8246 the plate would still crack

@mrstronk 2 месяца назад

I love how the 100mm gun for the soviets was so advanced for its time, it was left completely unchanged until the first T-72 was produced with their new 125mm guns in response to NATOs new MBTs with applique armor

@random_potato2549 8 дней назад

didnt they use a 115mm for the T-62 and T-64?

@satanihelvetet Год назад

Great video again! Could you please do a T-55 vs Centurion Mk X, in both directions?

@SYsimulations Год назад

Thanks! Ill be doing more with these 2 tanks in the future as there was kind of a leapfrogging upgrade race between the 2

@SuperIv7 Год назад

Did not even realize that Centurion armor was that weak. 76mm @ 57 deg is less than a Panther. In contrast, as we all know, T-54 had 100mm @ 60 deg front armor plate.

@kimjanek646 Год назад

It's the exact same amount of armor as the Panthers front. Unless you use 85mm instead of the official 80mm figure.

@AFT_05G Год назад

@@kimjanek646 Make Panther G UFP 85mm as most blueprints say, decrease it’s repair cost a little bit and move it to 6.0.Please Gaijin!

@kimjanek646 Год назад

@@AFT_05G Officially the Tiger had 100mm, 80mm and 60mm plates. When the British meassured their captured Tiger it was 102, 82 and 62. Most vehicles had some slight variation in armor thickness compared to their official figures. Just because some vehicles had more armor, doesn't make it the norm.

@TonysGemstoneDesignswithGCS Год назад

I would like to see the reverse - Centurion Mk3 20Pdr Vs T54/55

@cerdic6867 Год назад

Some cent mk3s (mostly the ones converted from mk2s) had a 120mm glacis.

@GodKitty677 24 дня назад

mk5/1 76.2 + 50.8 mm (58°) Upper glacis. mk3 76.2mm

@jintsuubest9331 Год назад

T55 has 100/60. Amx30 has 80/68. M60 has 110/65. Leo 1 has 70/60. And type 74 with 80/65 So 100 non cap AP at combat distance is the benchmark? Then I have the question of how well will leo 1 turret front hold.

@kimjanek646 10 месяцев назад

Can you do a simulation with flat armor? Maybe Tiger II H turret from 500m or something like that.

@michaelsalazar7331 Год назад

I wonder how the long 88 would compare against that plate. Bounce most likely?

@SYsimulations Год назад

I would assume shattered bounce and would push through a plug, with maybe some of the round's base going through. Might simulate that at some point :)

@kidpagronprimsank05 Год назад

For Tiger I I guess it will. But for King Tiger, not so sure

@AFT_05G Год назад

@@SYsimulations Long 88 cuts through Pershing’s armor like butter shouldn’t it do the same to Centurion’s armor considerin their effective thickness is pretty much the same?

@ZayP730 Год назад

How about 84mm apds vs the front of a t-54? Im curious if it would go through or not

@xModerax Год назад

I wouldnt wanna be on the receiving end of all that spalling, thats for sure!

@Marcos-lh3gw Год назад

how do you do these simulations

@MemphisMG86 Год назад

do you think about to do sims vs turrets

@viktordragovich94 Год назад

What about t55m? It will be interesting to see how it versus against 90mm or 105mm

@haiangnguyen2528 3 месяца назад

pretty sad that IS-3 not be in TankFes this year

@richardque4952 Год назад

During the 1973 arab israel war.soviet do not provide 100mm apds rd.only older apc ammo. Just how effective when use against centurion.and m60?

@ragnarokstravius2074 Год назад

Are you sure this is a Centurion Mk 3 glacis? Wikipedia says that the Mk1 had 76mm on the glacis, but that uparmored to 118mm on the Mk2, why would the Mk3s have less armor?

@hi_-bz7wf Год назад

Could we see if the centurion could take out the T-54 at this range?

@kimjanek646 Год назад

Easy peasy lemon squeezy. Not through the hull though.

@tijay190gg6 Год назад

Can u try 380mm canon from Sturmtiger vs modern mbts like abrams or t models

@tedarcher9120 Год назад

Wasn't the point of soft metal for blunt nose shells to improve penetration by not cracking as easily?

@kimjanek646 Год назад

If it was soft, it would just get squished like lead. It still needs to be as hard or harder than the armor plate.

@tedarcher9120 Год назад

@@kimjanek646 of course it was harder than the armor plate, armor was around 220-260 hb , soviet shells around 300-400 and american and german shells around 600

@johnathancooper3897 Год назад

Shouldn't the BR-412B perform better in this task?

@WotansCry Год назад

in the light that the centurion came to existence only to have a tank who could withstand the long 88 it is quite baffeling how they came up with that weak frontal plates, upper or lower ones.. Even the turret is not totaly save.

@SYsimulations Год назад

I believe it was actually supposed to be impervious to the short 88 of the tiger 1, which it kind of is. But I agree, there should have been a bit more foresight

@yusufgenc7274 Год назад

Which analysis program are you using?

@braendofc Год назад

ms paint

@SYsimulations Год назад

Paint 3D Jokes, its ansys :)

@RedVRCC 2 месяца назад

RIP driver

@dariuszwandtke1622 Год назад

kazdy pancerz jest do przebicia, czolgi to przeżytek !!

@kidpagronprimsank05 Год назад

Reverse with 20 pdr against T-54 given it was the reason why 105 came

@utkarshtrivedi8870 Год назад

That 100 mm Soviet gun was one of it's kind, really good.

@SYsimulations Год назад

It was, strange they didn't develop sub calibre rounds for it until the 60's though

@ATruckCampbell Год назад

I wouldn't want to be on the other end.

@tin9759 Год назад

doesn't Centurion have an extra 50mm plate in front of the 76mm plate?

@petrkdn8224 Год назад

Later versions, the mk3 only has the 76mm plate

@Ampex_ Год назад

Centurion Saturday?!?

@KonradlLarsen Год назад

Do a Napoleon era canonball vs a Stuart

@christuxford4462 Год назад

This is why the Israeli Centurions remained hull down on the Golan Heights.

@342Rodry Год назад

I saw that plate and I knew inmediatly the centurion was fucked

@ToVarish_ZhukoV Год назад

Br412D will be better than B shell I think

@mrcarroll8309 Год назад

That could not have gone any more through than that

@TuAFFalcon Год назад

I will take 100 T-55's thanks.

@fabio6170 Год назад

T80bv when?

@justinblin Год назад

Wish he had a witness plate just make sure

@SYsimulations Год назад

Hahah not sure that necessary for this one...

@thezig2078 Год назад

I thought Cent entered service in 1945

@SYsimulations Год назад

Afaik production yes, service no

@thezig2078 Год назад

@@SYsimulations i am quite certain one British brigade in Germany received them, but it was too late for them to fight

@nelsondfg211 Год назад

Su-152 vs modern mbt

@adsd8413 Год назад

Thats non pen for war thunder

@adamlazic493 7 месяцев назад

BR-412D is best

@randomssss184 Год назад

Hello

@meccnr3536 Год назад

ouffff...

@undeadnerd7102 Год назад

A 10 30mm GAU 8 vs T 72 front armor?

@SYsimulations Год назад

No chance of going through, the front is equivalent to ~400mm+ depending on variants...the gau8 cant pen 100 at best

@undeadnerd7102 Год назад

@@SYsimulations still interesting to see the impact though. I know it won't go through but it'll still damage it + irradiate it a lot

@idontlikecommunists9677 Год назад

@@undeadnerd7102 it wouldn't irradiate it

@Kefp_mimi 10 месяцев назад

Ah, the CENTURIONMk.3, a masterpiece of defensive prowess! Clearly, the Allied strategy was all about finding the perfect hill to hide behind and tilt that armor at just the right angle - because nothing says "invincible" like a tank playing hide-and-seek. Meanwhile, the Soviets went for the avant-garde approach, opting for tanks that practically hugged the ground, making them the ninja warriors of the armored vehicle world. Just slap some sloping armor on there, and voila, you've got a Soviet tank ready to defy the laws of physics. Because who needs good ground clearance when you can have a tank that's practically a pancake on tracks? And of course, let's not forget the joy of cramming a driver into a metal can - because comfort is overrated, right? Ah, Soviet armor design, where "impossible" is just another word for "challenge accepted." Because, really, who needs things to be good anymore?

@CCP-Dissident 6 месяцев назад

It's almost like dwarfs designed Soviet tanks

@obeyobay9146 Год назад

You called the t54 a first generation mbt but it was actually a medium tank

@SYsimulations Год назад

Its both, yes there were heavy tanks in service at the same time but its still a 1st gen mbt. The cent also had heavy tanks around it at the time too

@АнтонМасленников-ы2е Год назад

@@SYsimulations T-54, T-55, T-62, early T-64(with 115mm gun) are 1 st postwar gen medium tanks, T-64A(with 125mm gun)(1 st mbt), T-72, T-80, T90 and all modifications are 2 nd postwar gen, T-14 - only one 3 ed postwar gen tank. That's a russian classification

@Adven_morTens Год назад

Есть пробитие!

@Burboss Год назад

a meatgrinder...

@beenborg5431 10 месяцев назад

proves how bad the british tanks were in the cold war :/

@yourzorge Год назад

False

@MrBonako Год назад

А ведь он не должен был пробить броню. Пробивать броню могут только танки НАТО

@just_one_opinion Год назад

can you also show a REALTIME speed for these penetrations? Be cool to see how quickly it goes down.

@SYsimulations Год назад

it would take less than 1 frame of video so cant be done unfortunately

@just_one_opinion Год назад

@@SYsimulations I believe it, many 1000x fps velocity. Some of these partial penetrations seem like they would be survivable at low speed but in reality would be not. THANK YOU!!!