I have been using this side spin forehand and it is actually easy to conform to . I find it very effective. At times I will give it a little more side brush. Really good tip.
@@dublintabletennisclub it worked.. my friends were like did you watch some RU-vid video again 😂. I'm very inconsistent though between the forehand loop and this spinning shot. Need a lot of practice. Always learning from your videos, extremely helpful ! Keep them coming!
Ha awesome! I do have a different style video coming out this week / for the next few weeks! I will always be doing live watch along stream during world championship in 10 days! Hope you join in :)
Thanks and yeah can be achieved by any level as long as they do not over do the wrist and swing. Quite effective in consecutive rallies as at that stage no opponent pays attention on the other opponents body language. Rather just watch the ball and provide a reactionary reply! Let me know if it works for you :) Loved to hear some feedback regarding its success or not!!!
Thanks for your comment :) I am doing a LIVE Q&A tomorrow (Thursday) from 4:20pm Irish / UK time. Let me know if you have any questions / suggestions for me!! I’ll have a table set up so I can even demonstrate / answer TT questions :)
Great tip, thank you. Have a tournament coming up so will certainly practice it and try it along with your other tactical tips. Request: could you please do a tactical video on how to return/attack long pips and short pips? I have a real problem with understanding how to handle those. Thanks in advance.
Short and long pips are two different things to be honest so it would be long enough video. I think for a short term help contact another RU-vid channel who plays with Short pimples. She makes tutorials in German, but has great English to help :) Her channel: ru-vid.com We actually filmed a video on short pips that will be out next month. But, yeah contact her and she could help :)
This tip is new to me.i shall try it coach!thanks for the interesting technique.never thought about that.usually i just do normal top spin but this lesson is the game changer!
Yeah could really work especially if you see that your opponents forehand seems to be stronger so it’s a nice way to have the edge over them and even prevent them from attacking you!!
Thanks :) Yeah it is easy enough to adjust and learn. Just try not to over do / over think it and let your adjustment do the trick with a standard follow through!
Donic "DOTEC" blades have this angle built in the design I am using the Waldner Dotec carbon and finding my loops are getting blocked off the table a lot more often than before, the flat hit is also sharper...
@@dublintabletennisclubyou are right. Here i sometimes play with someone who hits very strong side spin very sharp on the corner of table and i had huge trouble with it. I am not used to it but had hard time with side spin (from him). Heavy side spin could be troublesome
Uhh that is an interesting idea!! There is not one known tbh and to copy this FH version onto the BH theory would be worse. As every shot would over swing to the right as it would never really counter the spin in the first place. HOWEVER, if we apply the "mirror" theory / effect (which I made up in my own coaching philosophy haha) it could work kinda. The quality of spin might not be as effective against the opponent as the F/H version, but the placement on the opponent side could mess him up by exposing the "Pocket / Jamming" area of a player. (the space around opponents own elbow and pocket) This is a great question and I will put into the test on my own time. If works I will make a RU-vid video for it :) Thanks again!!
As a left-handed player this could be wicked for a right-handed player not expecting it since it goes to their far backhand side. I'll start working on that. I will video a game over this coming weekend and include this. Have a great week. Stay well and keep on pongin'
Yeah it could be one hell of a tactic to use to push them wide on their backhand!! Look forward to your video :) And thanks, I have less than 48h left before I leave and I will like I have to do so many things to prepare and finish before I go off 😅😂 as always right
I'm left-handed and can attest to the fact that my forehand loop with sidespin to a right-hander's backhand drives many of 'em crazy. It's tough to block effectively because it's tough to determine the amount of topspin. Of course, I vary it by sometimes pulling my wrist back and going to their middle or even their forehand side. (For players 200 points or more above me (I'm around 1450 at Ratings Central), it's not that much of a problem.)
Hey mate :) Yeah trying my best to go through all the footage. I played for almost 2h so there is A LOT to go through, but I will because I do not want to cut anyone out! Hopefully I can start editing next week so it will be out by end of next week :)
@@dublintabletennisclub is it definitely coming out 😅 I’m really getting back into table tennis, I’m getting a table for my birthday in 2 weeks, what one would you recommend? Outdoors
Ah mate it really is haha 😂 I flew to Germany almost immediately after that to another table tennis club to coach in their camps. Trust me, I HAVE to upload that video 😅 It was sponsored and all paid by an organization so they want it as bad as you do!!
Hey mate :) I haven't uploaded much yeah, but honestly I have been filming loads of videos that just need a decent enough time to process through. Honestly could have over 15 videos now ha Yeah I wasn't and only recently gone over this weird hurdle. I will and want to get back into this channel. Love this sport and the community involved in it now! Reached over 10k subscribers already!!
This is a slight forehand top spin, not sidespin. Your explanation is right, but need try to hit the ball more on the front of racket and bend in the right way. If you use a slow blade and a soft rubber it's easier to learn.
Yeah technically it has no real “sidespin” to the shot. But, for approach and explanation reasons I do find it easier to explain it that way :) I am doing a LIVE Q&A tomorrow (Thursday) from 4:20pm Irish / UK time. Let me know if you have any questions / suggestions for me!! I’ll have a table set up so I can even demonstrate / answer TT questions :)
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hi coach, new setting is much better. i liked it. to be honest i didn't know that we should keep tge bat in line with the arm. most good players where i am playing (for fun) kind of bend their wrist in all possible ways ))) hey would you have anything to say for those playing for fun. we are not young anymore and find it difficult playing for points. we simply don't even count. what we do is playing for long rallies. most of us don't even have proper technique. all kinds of folks with different levels )))) do you think we should just play as it goes or focusing in two three different kinds of shots or else ? thank you in advance for the possible tips or advices
Great comment :) The wrist is more old-school approach. Even now most players adjust the wrist at most by 20%, but sometimes they don't because they would rather focus on SPEED and not spin. Over power the opponent rather over spin them if that makes sense. Kill the rally basically. I say apply the 3rd or 5th ball attack training style. Someone serves or feeds a simple ball in a specific section which then is replied in the correct way and then just follow up with an open attack so your opponent can try to counter it and you go off in a rally. Example: Serve short in opponents FH, opponent replies with a flick (great way to practice flicking with a realistic serve) to your FH / BH long (your choice) every single time and you counter with an attack. They will try to counter you and you get to practice multiple things at the same time. OR skip the serve, just feed a medium fast long serve into a position. You reply with a medium fast counter and opponent replies into a specific position for you to practice slight movement and more realistic concept of a rally. Don't need to count, but stay focus on ALL parts of the build up. Do not just throw a half decent serve and or ball just for the sake of it. That then has no purpose of quality.
Ha do try it and see how they have a hard time to counter it! To “block” a heavy smash isn’t the easiest thing to do. Possible, but the more effective way is if you do see a smash 💥 (and not just a fast ball) coming your way then try to retreat from the table as fast as you can. While keeping your racket more forward than your body. Because the movement will help you to give time to react and read the placement while having your arm stretched forward gives you a chance to block it effectively. If you get your speed / reactions to move faster back over time, then I would say try to you counter it or at least lob it to set up your own heavy counter attack Hope this made sense :)
@@dublintabletennisclub , today i had no chance to practice tilted because people arrived very early because winter is here -5C ! For the block it makes a lot of sense , ..so many things to improve at the same time. Keep you in line after my vacation to Dominican Republic . Thanks.
Oh can you explain in more detail please :) I am doing a LIVE Q&A tomorrow (Thursday) from 4:20pm Irish / UK time. Let me know if you have any questions / suggestions for me!! I’ll have a table set up so I can even demonstrate / answer TT questions :)
You have to paint the ball so that rotation is clearly seen. So far it looks like you just place the ball a little more to the left, not actually doing much sidespin. At least I do not see that sidespin in slo mo shots.
Ah here I must of hit close to a 100 balls (off camera) ha no way I have the time to paint them haha Yeah you're right :) There is not that much "spin", but again I am not trying to show that you NEED that much. It is not a serve and works more like a deception move.
hehe. at 7: 24 wrong tip, bro i think. I always use top and sidespin, also against backspin. because if you get a heavy backspin, it's easier to hit the ball back if you hit the side of the ball because then there's less spin energy on the side of the ball...
Very true on your own preference of how to attack it. It is actually how I thought and viewed it when I was learning and developing my own technique. After getting better and more consistent I noticed doing it on the side of the ball instead of traditional top is actually less useful and effective. Sidespin provides more momentum so harder to control for first bounce, harder placement for faster shot too so it curled away from the table and worse the bounce is HIGHER on the sidespin than top.So it was easier for opponents to get some contact back. A good topspin ball forces Gravity to take affect so the ball dips down straight after reaching highest peak. Short term, sidespin approach is fine. Long term when you face stronger opponents it won't have it's effect as it used to.
@Dublin Table Tennis Club Yes that is true --too! :) this is the reason why we love TT so much. In my level, i make the side/topspin shots and win so many point against right handed players . because im left handed. this shot,- i call "hook loop" or something haha :D - so, this shot jump onto the right handed player body or elbow and very annoying for the opponent :P and sometimes i can make a very LOW side/topspin shot, that is so effective :) because if you want low trajectory ball, you can swing the racket 45 degree forward and upward at the same time, but i use my wrist to make sidespin and hit the ball on the side. if the loop goes high, you was pull the racket 60 or 90 degree UPward. sorry for my english :D
Yeah haha Hook loop could be a good name! But, see having to adjust yourself soo much in such a fast pace rally is not a good thing. It is great to know this knowledge and apply if and when you need to, but this can't be your normal shot for looping. The game and sport is too fast to react in such a perfect manner. So work smart and not hard by counter it with pure topspin effect against stronger players :)
@Dublin Table Tennis Club Yes. In my level, i meet slower players, but this is a good idea, i will use more often :) thanks, keep up the hard/good work!
I have yeah haha 😂 it’s mad cool, but unrealistic. We tried to coach someone using it and of course it could never beat the real thing of multi ball training.
@@dublintabletennisclub I am 51 years old and playing Eleven forced me to try table tennis outside of VR and I was amazing! Beat a bunch of regular players at my local club who could not believe I have only played VR table tennis. Your talking about Eleven table tennis? there are currently THREE table tennis games for Oculus and the other two are so unrealistic its insane! But most find Eleven TT to be super realistic (AI Spin is turned OFF by default which feels very unrealistic, as wel as adjusting your bat in game to match your real life paddle ! )
Hitting one of these and then hitting a down the line shot seems to be unbeatable if you manage to force your opponent into that position (unless they do a Timo Boll hand switch)
its a good tip, but this is more of a placement tip than spin, you are producing very minimal side spin with this technique. you are simply changing the angle in which you are driving the topspin. which is fine, but its really not my sidespin, you can clearly see in the slowmo its almost entirely topspin
Yeah I see what your saying! For me it was just how I understand it in my head haha Plus, in reverse I have seen in the past that asking to place a ball on a specific area tends to not work because they try too hard and make a mess. For psychological reasons I always try to explain the technique more than focus only on one specific thing. It gives players more confidence and belief if they understand how and why :) Still you comment is bang on!!
But, why use that trick only against stronger players? I haven't train it yet, though I plan to do it, but I think that using it against all is a good way to train it "in real play".
Yeah it for sure will work for your level / less experienced opponents, however it should not be a move you should be doing it all the time, but rather when and if you need it. If you can counter-spin and over power your opponent then do it :) Best to keep it simple to stay as consistent as possible!
Eddy should make a new title for the video... HOW TO BEAT MA LONG, hahahahhaaha. Or: How to sidespin like XU XIN, hahahaha, his sidespin is just disgusting!
Hahah the Xu Xin one got to me 😂 But, yeah that sidespin is a killer thing to do in rallies! 9/10 times it puts you on the aggressive side and you can dominate the next point by simple placement in an open area
haha FACTS!! I am doing a LIVE Q&A tomorrow (Thursday) from 4:20pm Irish / UK time. Let me know if you have any questions / suggestions for me!! I’ll have a table set up so I can even demonstrate / answer TT questions :)
