Thanks so much for posting lot of us really appreciate have not gone dark side yet on my heavy bike but will soon we are being ripped off by MC tower companies mega high prices and almost no mileage
@@jerrywhitejr6645 you're a fucking moron, I've been riding darkside for several years! Handles everything much better than a motorcycle tire and last 10 times as long, dumbass!
So glad to see this. I haven’t pushed my wing with my BF Goodrich DG yet. All I’ve heard was there’s no way you could/should run the dragon like that. I love the perspective of this video. Great job
haha you just commented this video on my post on fb and this is almost exactly how i could describe it.. sure it felttttt different but i don't think it was compromising at all. maybe the people that went darkside and didn't like it just suck at riding bro! XD love the scraping
@@luedog8385 - ...lol. You are clearly speaking from having no experience with them yourself. Sure, the shape is different so many just assume, but we run less air which allows the tire to flex as can be seen in this video. Same traction, better traction in the rain, excellent stopping and longer wear. Almost 60K on my bike; 23K with a car tire and I've never broken traction.
I remember the era of the motorcycle rear tyre. Some of them had harder and squarer sections than that car tyre. And people wondered why their bike handled so badly, with the back stepping out all the time. You'd think people would fit them just to sidcar outfits, but no, even solos were fitted with them. Presumably they thought they'd never lean the machine, but just steer. Crazy.
Still, a LOT have been doing it for years. I've been on many forums on the subject for months and yet to find someone that had problems or issues with it. Most say they will never go back to MC. I saw only 2 persons saying they did not like the feeling. Will install one soon on my vtx 1800.
@@indigo196799 i’ve been writing for a long time and yes people have been begging other people to do it for years. It’s so weird like ride your own tires don’t try to convince everybody that alone is suspicious
@@JM-ym8vr You really saw some people "begging" other to go with car tires? Yu have any idea why some people would do that? Some would have benefits for this?
Obviously a hot topic, as there are current comments on a video posted nearly 4 years ago. I'm not sure how good an idea it is, at least for how/what I ride. But anyone considering it should also think about having a tire tread-shaved/edge contoured so it is less square. There are places which will do this. Common among the autocross crowd for front tires, because the outer edge gets wrecked easily.
@@JM-ym8vr I think that's unfair. He was leaning hard enough to scrape the undercarriage. Did you not see the sparks fly? OK, he's not scratching in every turn, but that doesn't mean he couldn't if he wanted to... I'm an old 'scratcher' who's tried a huge variety of machines and competition - from North African desert races to riding the old Nurburgring in a fully enclosed Ecomobile - and this video really made me want to try a car tyre on a motorcycle!
That's nuts! It appears to have more tread on the road than MC tire leaned over. I have felt tires do that on cars when pushed, no problems occurred and they are much heavier.
@@v908😂 absolutely not. Have you ever actually looked at how much the contact patch is on a typical bike? It's the size of a quarter. This tire is no less that that, and looks to be quite a bit more. I have a 2002 Goldwing and it is remarkable how little contact that there is with the road, and the bike still hugs the road.
@@scootterpootter Yes, I have measured it (on my ST1300 and my Goldwing). If you feel the contact patch is only the size of a quarter, you have obviously never measured it yourself.
@@v908 yes he is losing significant contact patch when leaned over. From a tyre with significantly more contact patch than a motorcycle tyre. So with significantly less contact patch whilst leant over he still has more than a bike tyre.
Hi Mike just cought the vid Great job riding.I have the dark side tire getting ready to put on my wing to try it.I see air pressure is across the board.what did you run in yours. Thanks.
Many of the custom bike builders use car tires on their bikes on the rear. The really wide tires they use are clearly car tires. They don't seem to have a problem with this. Another thing is for all the "experts" out there, your car's camber angles adjust for turning and the car tires DO ride up on the outer edges on the FRONT of the vehicle, so that idea that they are not designed to run on the edge of the tire is not entirely true. I've never run on the darkside, but would not mind trying to see how well it works on handling. I'm not going to go into a curve trying to scrape anything, but a lot more miles would be nice on the rear.
Never had a cop inspect my rear tire. So what it is illegal. Big deal. Insurance company will never know. I have a son that totalled out a m/cycle and my truck in 6 months. An adjuster never saw the bike or truck. UNLESS you have the TIRE ITSELF cause an accident, then you are ok. Motorcycle tires blow, go flat. Just like car tires do, you ever HAD A BIKE TIRE GO FLAT ON YOU? WHILE RIDING? I have. It's really no big deal. I've had one blowout on a car going into a turn. Big deal. You are obviously motorcycle shop ready. Go get one tire installed 300 plus dollars, or, do it yourself, like I do. I've changed hundreds of tires in my life on different vehicles. That's right. HUNDREDS. Many heavy truck tires and I know what causes tire failures.
Why are you not using Titanium wear pads instead of steel; the steel give off yellow sparks, the TI give off white sparks, look cooler at night and last longer!
@@sherrysetliff2502 Why is it that no one sees that he's riding on the sidewall of a car tire? Even worse, on both sidewalls. It may look good on paper. Would you drive that road in your car at that speed with 10 lbs of air in your tires and feel safe? That's what you simulate when you ride the sidewall of a car tire. It's not rocket surgery.
@@fredd103 You must be visually impaired! He is NOT running on the sidewalls. if he was he'd be in ditch! Rewatch the video and pay attention to the tread pattern and where it is on the road. CT's have been used on motorcycles for decades. There are thousands of riders using CT's these days since the MC tire makers can't seem to make a tire that last much longer the 10K and costs well north of $200 for most heavy cruisers which amounts to around one riding season for many riders. I've been running the General Altimax 215/60 on my Liner for around 60K now and can keep up with any bike I care to except the crotch rockets....those guys are nuts! This same condition exists on your Corrola or Tahoe when cornering. If motorcycles weighed 1000# more, tire deflection would look like this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZZ1uCH9ay1k.html Unless someone has personal experience with this or any other endeavor in life, it's not wise to show one's ignorance by spouting nonsense as fact.
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-rjHwQHs-rlo.html in this link the guy said he got 23K miles on a cheap tire. he says what tire & how much too. with ANY tire, there are wear marks built into the tread. most are low & across the tire. some are marked other ways. so if this guy bought a tire with 30K mile rating then I figure he still got a steal seeing as how name brand MC tires are 175 & up & this guy bought 2 CT's for less than 1 MC.
That convinced me not to go to the darkside. If all you do is ride the interstate it might be fine. But in the video he is getting on the side wall. Radial tire sidewalls are made to flex so that the tire tread stays in contact with the pavement. But the sidewall is not made to run on the pavement. That is why on a radial tire there are more plies of rubber, and steel than there is on the sidewall. The curved surface of a motorcycle tire is made to contact the road surface in a turn.
One CT is meant to support 600 to 800ils for 30-40K. Most heavy cruisers weigh in at 650-900lbs. There is more steel or kevlar in CTs and they weigh more. A MC Tire contours the surface that contacts the road around the curve of the tire. A CT all of the contact patch is in contact with the road 85% of the time or more. No Chicken Strips that most Cruiser Riders get on MC Tires and that Crazy Sport/Super Sport Riders make fun of. There is merit in using a CT on some bikes and with the style of some riders.
Not once in this video is he even close to the sidewall .if you look at a bike ride it only rides on very little rubber in the turns.a Bridgestone drive guard has a double sidewall and is a run flat as well.much safer than a motorcycle tire in my opinion. Plus have you ever heard of a car tire on a motorcycle causing an accident.
Paint on the tread and sidewall before and after will put to rest your sidewalls running on the road assumptions. facebook.com/groups/349806738763554/permalink/349807082096853/
This video is my buying point to go to the Dark Side! How much PSI you running in your tire? That was a flauless ride floor boards touching 16 times and tire held to the road great!
38-40 psi depending on your weight...I weigh 180 lbs. & I like 40....no floorboards...those are stock pegs with peg pucks on them....ride it like you stole it!!!!
Karl D don't listen to the Johny guy... If you look at my conversation with him he's a complete asshole. He said the same thing to me but he also told me that cops will pull you over and give you a ticket. He's a troll. Darkside hater
A. Leate a troll lol ur butthurt cause I proved to you it's illegal it's ridiculous that people don't understand that it's illegal to use a non DOT approved tire
Johnny Nihgerssteell oh you call me butthurt because I called you butthurt. Really clever. I just chimed in to remind you that nobody cares about you're opinion. You are so desperate to make sure nobody uses a car tire. Guess what? There's people all over the world doing it. If it was such a problem I think you'd be able to look up some examples to use for "reasons not to use CT" but all you can do is make up fake stories and imaginary friends getting tickets for car tires. You have no evidence. Just theoretical scenarios.
I had to stop reading the comments...it’s amazing how uniformed people give opinions like they are experts 🤦🏽♂️....the side walls of car tires are not designed to be ridden on period. I doesn’t matter if you run a car tire with less pressure so it flexes.
Pretty uniformed like that comment. The evidence does not support your claim. The bike does not ride on the sidewall at all. The sidewall does its job under load and deforms to ensure the tyre has maximum contact with the road.
@@JM-ym8vr Once again that's not evidence. I have ridden the same bike with motorcycle tyre and car tyre. Each have their strengths and weaknesses but, on balance, I go with the car tyre. I assume for you to comment you also have ridden both ways. As to comment without understanding is simply displaying ignorance.
My insurance company rep stated I would NOT be covered in any accident if I had a car tire on the bike.... You might want to check with yours, opens you up to a huge liability.
Calling what your Agent said BS.. I was in a crash. My State Farm agent credited my ability to keep the bike up. due to the increased traction footprint by my smarter choice of tire! The at fault party paid my claim!!
A car tire was not made to work in those conditions. It shouldn't be going on it's side, where it's most vulnerable. There's a reason why bike tires are arched that way. That's just asking for a rear slide mate, because the side does not prevent aquaplaning.
I hate to tell ya, Buy I will. Car Tires have far superior grip in the WET. than any Motorcycle tire could dream of!! (Think -Contact patch) BTW- No one in their right mind rides fast in the Rain!!
Dark siders are almost exclusively guys with giant heavy bikes that don’t lean much they are way better in the streets and let’s face it they are cheapskates 😂 If you actually ride a motorcycle and not some slow ass Harley or Goldwing you’ll appreciate actual motorcycle tires.
If your involved in a wreck and there is a smart insurance claims agent you will have no insurance because you have an automobile tire on your bike not a motorcycle tire. Your claim is voided. I grew up with my State Farm agent. Would you put bike tires on a car... One of my customers had this happen to him, it cost him big bucks plus he had to pay the car he hit repairs out of his pocket. I've been working for a motorcycle dealer over 20 years, play your game and come out a loser.
IF..and I do mean IF there was a question regarding equipment malfunction then the tires might be brought into question, but most accidents are due to speed, mistakes, etc. Insurance merely determines extent of the damage then factors in the cost of each item to replace and repair your bike. If you have a car tire installed, they will calculate in the cost to replace the back tire with a motorcycle tire. If you receive the check then replace it with what you want from there, but if your bike is repaired by a dealer then they will install a motorcycle tire.
I hate to burst your bubble. But your agent friend is an Idiot,and full of crap! My State farm agent credited my ability to keep my bike upright when I was hit, due to the increased traction footprint on my Smarter choice of Run Flat tire. The at fault party paid my claim.
All the resource tire companies put into keeping you as safe as they can on two wheels and you think your quality to override their massive shared study and put a dumb ass car tire on a motorcycle. Really Really bad decision that may cost your life. Explore the technology and a proper bike tire before you hurt yourself. Peace
Waiting for anecdotal evidence where a car tire was directly related to causing a motorcycle accident. I'll wait. This is also coming from a guy who DID have a motorcycle accident while darksiding on a VTX 1800. It was attributed to my lack of riding experience, as the car tire never went out from under me, nor lost traction.
Tom LaGesse if you were right, all f1 and super bike world champions would be running car tires, as performance and safety go hand in hand. So you are saying your ego trumps hard work and years of research and engineering degrees. Your thinking is as shallow as a car park puddle
@@michaelirish1445 I am right. So are all the tens of thousands of other darkside riders with millions of real-world miles on a car tire. I can't count how many times I've seen a FB post regarding MT rear tire failure, with some resulting in fatalities, yet not a single one reported spontaneous catastrophic failure has been posted regarding CTs on a motorcycle rim. 🤔 As for all the so-called "experts" in their fields, even experts can be wrong, as evidenced by the aforementioned real-world scenarios. Using your ill-conceived logic, though, racing slicks are perfect for the race track for Indy, NASCAR, and other racing performance circuits. But, that doesn't translate to real-world practical every day use in a soccer-mom SUV. So feel free to relieve yourself of your self-imposed cranial-rectal inversion, and let people ride the way they choose... especially based on empirical data.
Tom LaGesse so the think you’re “right”. If you were, all the tire companies would be following your advice. The old saying “ if you are good at something, don’t do it for free”. And this is why the tire companies ain’t paying you. Peace
@@michaelirish1445 I don't think I'm right. I am right. I am saying, without equivocation, that there is not one single piece of anecdotal evidence of spontaneous catastrophic failure of a car tire on a motorcycle rim. I don't deny the engineering is designed for a motorcycle tire. What you fail to grasp are the legal and back door financial reasons motorcycle manufacturers don't put their stamp of approval on it. Now, can you come up with any evidence to the contrary?
