Tail of the Dragon - Tempers Flare 

A big AMEN!

Agree with Henry!!!

The speed limit is only 30mph if they catch you. :) I feel the need for speed.

Btw.... US Hwy 129 is a national highway. Your county taxes don't contribute anything towards maintaining a national highway. All of us pay for that.

im sure the hundreds of thousands of visitors every year pay much more in taxes than you. they are vital for you economy

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At what point were they "douche bags"? You might want to look in the mirror next time.

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Sorry but this road is a major entertainment draw for the area. Many locals probably make their living off the tourism that the Tail of the Dragon brings in

@@chrissyfowler3613 Highways are NOT entertainment.

The speed limit on the tail is 35. At what point was the car going excessively slow. Maybe the car was enjoying the road. I believe this rider is arrogant. Doesn't help the motorcycle community get a better reputation.

There's this thing called consideration. Yes, the cage driver does have the right to drive at any legal speed, but if they see traffic building up behind them then they could easily pull over for literally a few seconds to let it pass. Especially since the cager was obviously not in a hurry. It's called consideration for fellow road users.

I agree with you this clown gives the motorcycle community a bad name posting videos of arrogant rants over other drivers driving lawfully

That only works if a person knows numbers and can read.

It's your ride, go your own pace and be safe😊

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That’s why they caught up to them twice 😂…they were holding up traffic and should have pulled over…how many times have you slayed the dragon? 😂😂😂

​@@johnstowe3267 wrong. Those wanting to speed through there need to pull over. How do you expect people to pull over for you so they can attempt to get back on the road with people flying around curves? How many different people should they pull over for to make it 11 miles down the road? Is that how you think people drive on a racetrack? The idiots on that road are not waiting for people to reach a pull out. Nobody is required to use a pull out.

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​@@RoadKing05FLHRcoming from the person passing people on it lmao 🤣 stfu

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They should’ve just pulled over to let the faster traffic pass…the end!

@@johnstowe3267 entitled prick.

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Hey Brucie, I don't live in bum fuk Tennessee, so the only reason I would travel that road is the beautiful scenery and twisting roads. It would 100% be for my pure enjoyment. So go play sheriff on property that you actually own.

​@@guylupo2564Right?! I am a tax paying citizen and can ride where ever I please, Im a man and nobody is gonna tell me Im not welcome on public property

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Even if he wanted to pass you really can’t cross the double yellow on TOD…just curious have you been on TOD?

Where is the video of you riding TOD 😂

Troll

@@chrissyfowler3613 Sorry, bit confused, would you like a vid of me riding the dragon, or a vid of me sitting behind a mini van and beeping my horn and flashing my lights at a family out on a fun family drive? 🤡

@@cphillips3513 no reason to flashlights and beep horns. Just ride normal!

You will have to tell me at what point he was riding like an idiot??? He didnt pass on a double yellow, he didnt buzz them....he showed FAR MORE restraint than pretty much ANY rider I ride with.....jsut because he talks in his helmet about the fact that the people in the van were intentionally going as slow as possible doesnt make his riding and different....the van was a bunch of dicks

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You wanna enjoy the view ..... Then pull over and get a good look . Others shouldn't have to sit behind you doing less then the speed limit ....

That Honda should’ve pulled over it’s common knowledge on this road to pull over to let faster cars pass

@@GrumbleB the limit was 30, dickcheese here wanted to go 40 and stated honking at the people going the speed limit

@@saturnkingofmushrooms7821 you need to get your eyes checked sonny boy.....

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WRONG!!! When you are holding up multiple vehicles you are supposed to use the pulloffs to allow them to pass....THAST WHAT THEY WERE BUILT FOR

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The driver of the vehicle that you are behind has every right to be there. I f don't like following people you need to pull over and quit pushing. The road is not yours. Rode for over 25 years and never seen such JERK.

Hard to enjoy when you're going so slow you almost fall over

What a cow! So sorry you had to go 10mph under the limit most of the way- and then SHE got upset with YOU! People can be such asses…

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But if you're obviously holding up traffic you need to use the pull off for a few seconds. Unless your ego is too fragile.

@@jdpalmer1 there are a lot of people racing on the road. It's not safe to enter the roadway. It's only 11 miles, a person should be able to go 11 miles without pulling over for reckless people. If a person did pull over then then will find more people coming behind them again. It makes no sense at all. Those wanting to race are the ones that need to use pull outs. It's the people racing that create a problem. It's their problem.

@@RoadKing05FLHR I don't want to race, I just don't want to get stuck behind someone that can't even go the speed limit. Pull over and there will be no problem getting back on as soon as the group of people stacked up behind you are past.

@@jdpalmer1 or you could just pass or pull over

@@RoadKing05FLHR So your ego won't allow you to let anyone pass you? Too sad.

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Back in the 70's I used to ride the Dragon all the time, nobody was there and the rider had the feeling of being in a near primeval wilderness. I got quite fast on the road and had it memorized, I could ride it safely but I worked my way up to it. Some of the curves were reverse banked and there were places the road was in poor condition. I also rode the Cherohala highway a bit while it was under construction. All these areas were quiet and very scenic. I hate these places now and I'd never go back. It's all been destroyed, I'd get more of a wilderness experience in NYC Central Park than I would on the Dragon. I'm hoping that a horrific economic catastrophe will put an end to *all* tourist traffic in these areas and that peace and quiet will someday return. Back when I was riding I was going solo and cell phones didn't exist. Back in those days you play road racer in the mountains and fly off down a hillside at high speed - it might be the very last thing you do. Thanks guys, you've all trashed the place beyond recognition, it's all gone, all destroyed. TVA sure did help by destroying the wonderfully scenic Little Tennessee River below Chilhowee Dam. It's all an ugly mud hole now in fall and winter. In the early 70's this entire area looked like something out of a movie, scenery so wild and magnificent that it belonged on postcards. To heck with each and every one of you responsible for destroying these unique areas. May millions of fleas infest yer armpits! Same goes for everybody that ruined Wear's Valley. I used to ride my CB450 in that area a very long time ago when it was all small farms and a tiny little community place with a church, a store/gas station, a few other commercial buildings, and that was it. A neat ride with sharp curves, hills, spectacular scenery, and hardly any traffic. Today the entire place has been trashed beyond recognition with tourist garbage and "mountain homes" everywhere. And now every few years the place experiences big firestorms that burn down a lot of that crap, but they'll build it right back. Only a grinding economic calamity and decades long depression will return all of this back to where it used to be.

😆.... you one of the assholes going 5 under the speed limit aren't you..?

@@GrumbleB lmao Have a good day and stay safe

I would introduce this horn blowing clown to my rear bumper.

@@raytycker1656 you're so tuff 😂. Probably gotta Biden sticker on that bumper too...

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Well if you do not like it do not ride a Harley Davidson no one but you picked out a 1000lb oil leaking over price junk bike.

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can't pass on double yellow.

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That's what you should tell the ppl in the suv

You mean the people obeying the speed limit? Grow up!@@logut80

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​@@jamesadams2334person was going under the speed limit. Please learn numbers.

Yeah, but at least go the speed limit. There's a difference between going slow and going the speed limit.

@@briarfox637 you will never know.

Ohhh, but the opportunities you have. Too blind to see. Many Americans would love to have the opportunities you have.

@@ericwilson178 TF are you talking about?

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so if we mic'd your car you are saying you never say a word even to yourself...sure bud. I would bet my life income that you invented sport bitching based on that comment.

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It is not a state Highway. It is a US Highway

@@jnel57 State Hwy County Hwy this guy is a complete douche nut!

Can't watch any more. My pard andi on a performance modded Harley and a Victory, WILL NOT ride it on a weekend because of the clueless slugs that a) won't use the pulloffs or b) watch mirrors, c) single up and let you pass. When with the Dragon, we are there for the ROAD AND RIDE, NOT the freaking scenery that never changes! We often even pass crotch rockets or adv bikes because they are just flower sniffers, duck-walking selfish no-riders. We feel your pain!

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You ride in your vehicle....I DRIVE my vehicle.....

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The tail has paved pull offs every 1/4 mile or so in either direction. It’s customary by locals and regulars to utilize them if faster traffic comes up behind you.

@@WVRider304 yes there are pull offs meant for slower vehicles. This is common knowledge but the person driving obviously didn’t know. I’m thinking it would be great to have signs that are a little clearer for drivers so they know. It would make it much more enjoyable for everyone on TOD

The car driver was a jerk, there are turn outs for a reason, use them! In some states you could receive a ticket for slowing traffic on roads like that for not using the turn outs. God only knows how many dangerous situations this drive has caused and will cause for their inconsiderate attitude toward others. You missed a lot you do not even need to pull off all the way, just move to your right give a wave and let the bike motor by you in a safe way, it is easy and many drivers understand how this works. They gave the guy the finger, not a potential finger mind you, so assuming some road rage was certainly justified. Folks that ride motorcycles on beautiful roads like this are their for the enjoyment and there are always a few who want to make a point of ruining that enjoyment, and for what purpose. People must deal with reality and there are times one should be courteous. I understand how folks get tired of thousand of motorcycles invading their local area and many being asses, but this was not the case here.

Seems we need signs now for common sense. Ida just overtaken

Speaking of interstates and "no minimum posted speed", go right ahead and putt-putt down the interstate and see if you don't get a ticket for impeding the flow of traffic. The posted speed limit is the expected speed of traffic.

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Very interesting information!! Thanks for sharing!!!

Another thing to consider is the time it takes for first responders to get to the remote parts of the Dragon. There’s a helipad across from the Harley store in Tallasee on the TN side. That’s the closest a helicopter can get to it. Robbinsville is the closest on the NC side. Sometimes, there are no police within 30 minutes of the Dragon and medical help is at least that far. The store at the NC end in Deal’s Gap is in Swain County, but is isolated from the rest of the county by 1/2 hour drive thru Graham County. Graham County will respond in an emergency, but it will still take a while. US 129 used to be a truck route, but they are now prohibited. Once in a while a truck driver ignores the warning signs and causes mayhem on the mountain. Again, emergency services could be 45 min to an hour away.

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And its all marked NO PASSING knothead.

...........or just obey the law!

Right you are, I rode my Roadglide faster than they went after they got around the car. Many skill levels riding at their level is okay. Last one of this guys video I am watching.

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It's called double line. Someone doesn't ride

The rider should have just pulled over and waited a few.

Why?

@@stevegay9398 , because.

Most people blow toot their horn as a "thank you" as they pass someone who has pulled over for them...only out of touch anal people honk back in anger.

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That particular bike has awesome power available, apparently you know nothing about motorcycles. You are not supposed to not hold up other folks on roads like the Dragon, you ever wonder why they have turn outs???

@@russjordan6039 not supposed to break speed limit either. If they going so slow why didn't that powerful beast pass them? Crying through the video, feel bad for the teachers dealing with his kids .

@@mamjack6134 Hey bud, make up your mind, do not speed or blow by them and speed. He showed great restraint in making sure he did not put his or the car occupants in an unsafe situation. I am 71 and have been riding motorcycles since I was 9. I have seen these types of car drivers many times, I am not saying they are all jerks, but their lack of road awareness can still kill people.

@@russjordan6039 whippty dooo

@@mamjack6134 Hey dude, your mommy is calling, must be nighty night....

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what a stupid idea!

@@jamesadams2334Well take action or quit the bitching and moaning

Ummm can’t pass on the double yellows here that’s dangerous…great restraint shown here by the riders honking is nothing and I’d have been doing it too

All these negative comments…I just keep thinking that suv should’ve pulled over to let everyone by…maybe it’s their little game pissing off the tourists

No, they are following the law. The posted speed limit is 30mph. Either obey the law or go home! @@chrissyfowler3613

If you did ride you would understand what it's like going under the speed limit to the point your bike is about to fall over.

Get a life man! They should have pulled over to let the bikes pass

it’s common knowledge to pull over for faster vehicles on this road …that Honda suv was rude

That’s why I don’t ride there any more

It’s a good road just have to expect this kind of stuff I guess

Yeah, blowing your horn at someone in front of you that is running faster than the posted speed limit is a pretty d0u€hy move.

He didn't flip him off, the SUV driver flipped him off.

@@briarfox637 I didn't say someone flipped. I simply used that as a metric. I could have said "less time than a hissy fit the length of the dragon's tail", but that would have been much too road specific. I wanted the instruction to be more general.

@@charlesbynum Right. The way I read it made it sound like you were saying it'd take the biker less time to flip him off, flip him the bird, whatever, just to go around him. I was saying the biker didn't do anything. The SUV driver flipped him the bird.

@@briarfox637 the biker in this case was in the wrong with his entitled attitude. He got the #1 signal righteously.

@@johnrenterprises2604 I don't see what he was doing other than complaining the guy was going slow. He wasn't tailgating, he wasn't riding up on him. Did I miss something from the vid?

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Imagine you learning how to STFU 🤣

Do you rip up TOD at night? I’d like to see that vid lol…

Don't do it at night, GO TO A RACE TRACK!

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He wasn't going fast you bleeding moron trying to be a contrarian.

@englishsteel2347 you completely missed the point. Sometimes, one mile per hour is too fast for the conditions that exist , law has nothing to do with it . People need to examine the conditions and respond accordingly. Unfortunately, far too many people expect the government to protect them when they would be better served by good judgment.

@@thomaslemay8817 Missed what point? Your reply clarified my point(to the detail, meaning take good judgement and let motorcyclist pass).... and being that you're a cyclist it doesn't surprise that this isn't registering for you considering the cognitive dissonance you have to have to impede motorized traffic at the risk to yourself and others no matter what you think the rules and personal judgement bias are LOL.

@englishsteel2347 I own 4 motorcycle,

@thomaslemay8817 still a cyclist lol thus a delusional entitled road user by default.

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Thanks..In retrospect maybe it would have been smart to go the other way then run it again. We pulled off to wait for them to get far enough ahead but probably should have waited much much longer for them to get way ahead. Thanks for your comments

agreed! Wish I would have seen a more positive example of sharing the road all around or mental agility to make this into a positive example for motorcyclists…. With that said….Not a lot of ways for people that live in that area to get from the Venore TN area south, or to Venore from the south area without going miles and miles around… a Monday morning could have been just someone trying to get to work or get some errands done… this is a public road with speed limits, this video doesn’t shine too positively on motorcyclists that have to share the road with the other motorists or locals that need that road to get from A to B…. Even for their tourism jobs….Sad video that the rest of motorcyclists will have to work hard as two wheel ambassadors to overcome the negativity that those other drivers experienced that day, even the Harley riders experience likely was more negative dealing with vehicles in front and horns from behind…. Nice quality video though, just wish it was a better example for new riders to emulate… 😢