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Tainted Grail Kings of Ruin Review - They Fixed EVERYTHING in This Prototype!

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Awaken Realms sent us a prototype of Tainted Grail: Kings of Ruin to review! Having just launched their new Gamefound campaign, their highly anticipated stand-alone sequel to Fall of Avalon already reached their goal in just a few minutes, take that Kickstarter! With an all new story and a total rework to menhirs via waystones, Kings of Ruin promises to better balance its rules and mechanisms while getting rid of the grind so players can get to explorations faster! No more going through tons of encounters for resources, the gameplay through story chapters is much smoother with less rulebook problems. Now is a great time to be a Tainted Grail fan, because they're also releasing updated 2.0 versions of previous campaigns like Red Death, Age of Legends, Last Knight, and the base game!
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Table of Contents:
Intro/Overview: 0:00
Component Pros: 6:08
Gameplay Pros: 9:50
Story Pros: 27:19
Component Cons: 32:48
Gameplay Cons: 38:30
Recommender Score: 46:20
Ashton's Score: 50:07
Daniel's Score: 54:43
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18 авг 2024

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@4469luis Год назад

I wish you were given more Kickstarter and gamefound games to review. You guys are way better at reviewing games than those other channels.

@kanalune Год назад

I definitely feel like their reviews come from a more sincere place and they aren’t afraid to point out the bad things. Very refreshing from the extremely positive reviews from other channels

@kaijuh Год назад

BoardGameCo And Quackalope feel attacked by this comment lol Those guys are the undisputed kings of Hyping everything.

@nihilistick 6 месяцев назад

Quackalope might be the worst review channel ever. That dude overhypes every single thing if he gets pocket money for it@@kaijuh

@Jsleezy_2000 Год назад

I can’t believe I look forward to hour long board game reviews! You guys are killing it. So entertaining and funny while still delivering outrageously good insight. I’m here for it!

@CB-yh3db Год назад

I had seen so many Kings of Ruins previews I was going to skip on this one. Glad I didn’t. This one was by far my favorite. I love the personality you infused into this review.

@Shelfside Год назад

Glad you enjoyed it!

@Rokku82 Год назад

The amount of effort you have put into this review is insane. Not only did you discuss the pros and cons of Tainted Grail / Kings of Ruin but you also give good critical feedback and possible ALTERNATIVES!!! to fix these potential issues. So many others just give a high level preview with catchy sound bites and hardly handly critical feedback. I hope Awaken Realms deep dive into this video and take all your feedback into consideration because I truly think it would lead to an even better game. Props guys!

@vlowolvtake1797 Год назад

I love Daniel's enthusiasm😍

@djfusion2808 Год назад

I’m loving the massive production quality increase lately guys, great introductions!

@beakerkell Год назад

Man, this was the review I needed. My first video of yours and I will definitely be watching others now!

@rabbit11comics39 Год назад

You guys have quickly become my favorite game reviewers. Daniel always has me laughing my ass off. So good.

@Gooch337 Год назад

This is fantastic. Not only funny, but full of real pros and cons. Well done guys

@hobby_quick Год назад

"They fuckin' did it!" mate, I absolutely cracked up at that! 🤣

@biglew031 Год назад

Great vid! Need y’all to do more Kickstarter/Game-found content. Really not many others that do reviews on crowd funding games. You guys give great insight what these game are and can be. Appreciate ya.

@Shelfside Год назад

That's the plan! Thanks for watching!

@blackemerald Год назад

Loved this video, you've covered stuff in KoR that other reviewers haven't and given me far more to think on regards backing the game. Also you're style is great, I've subscribed and watched a good few hours already. Thanks for putting so much effort into your videos and analysis!

@Shelfside Год назад

hey awesome to hear, got lots more stuff coming! -Ashton

@mathieulabrosse8671 Год назад

Really love the energy and sometimes vulgarity in the video, feels like a friend showing me a game! Keep it up!

@ryokunn1 Год назад

I watched this video when it first dropped months ago, and I’ve come back to watch it again (and your FoA reviews, again) while trying to decide what to add to my pledge. Great reviews, very informative, and love the constructive criticisms. These have helped immensely, and are also entertaining in the best way! Would love to see reviews for TLK and AoL 2.0 when that comes out. Hope you do more TG content!

@Shelfside Год назад

Awesome man! Yeah more reviews on the way, I think we'll try to get AoL 2.0 :) -Ashton

@roadrunner00721 Год назад

Just discovered your channel for this review. You got a new subscriber! Loved the video

@toaofpi Год назад

I just watched your Tainted Grail review, followed by the second mini review once you finished it, and now this, all back to back, for over two and a half hours of Tainted Grail reviewness. And I still have no idea whether I want to late pledge or not, and if so what to get. But you've done a great job with the videos! Now to go check out other stuff on your channel...

@yesmadx 11 месяцев назад

Me too man. I live in another country with strict taxes on importing, so I'm trying to get only the necessary. Which would be either the FOA Expansion, while purchasing the base game here to skip taxes or buy the KOR base w/ stretch goals, that would make an even bigger box with higher change of a big taxes. FOA seems flawed on reviews, but even so, it is well ranked on BGG. Which means that can be a decent fun. Probably. KOR fixes a lot of problems but stands at a higher costs to me, which I don't know if it's worth because I don't own FOA. There is also the chance of a company in my country bringing KOR as retail, as happened with FOA. Tough decision to make.

@Shelfside 11 месяцев назад

Be careful when it come to bgg scores for kickstarter exclusive games because that means it got less exposure from the general board game public and instead has inflated scores from people who were either already inclined to like it or are already superfans who keep up with all the kickstarter updates. If you like the aesthetic and story hooks of Tainted Grail, I'd say first and foremost figure out if you like the cardplay, and if you do I'd highly suggest KoR over FoA, which at this point I'd only recommend if it turns out you're a big fan of Tainted Grail and want even more after playing KoR -Daniel@@yesmadx

@george-dm Месяц назад

Too fun and enjoyable to watch. Straight to the point with your little touch that gives us really nice reviews. Thank you a lot!

@sd3693 Год назад

I hope the "Fall of Avalon 2.0" update incorporates some or all of these fixes back into the original game.

@francispham6113 Год назад

This was an amazing and comphrensive video, you could not have done a better job! Definitely convinced me to buy :)

@biobauerelke4549 Год назад

One of the best videos about boardgames i saw in the last months. WOW! Keep going!

@Copterman Год назад

Excellent review. You guys should have tons more subscribers. Keep it up!

@Shelfside Год назад

Much appreciated!

@primusinterpares5767 Год назад

So happy for Tainted Grail! Such an impressive improvement!

@barryc6785 Год назад

Put a large 🌞 for start of day & 🌝 for end of day, an ‼️ for triggers at the top of the card

@Shelfside Год назад

Actually a great suggestion lol -Daniel

@adam551982 4 месяца назад

Id like to add how right you were about the trick to writing rulebooks; dont make goofy rules that arent intuitive to begin with. It really is that simple. So many devs make this error and its frustrating to have to continuously read a rule to pound it in to my head bc it is not intuitive at all. Cheers for that comment, ill be repeating it to all these crowd funding devs in the future.

@blizzyblake 11 месяцев назад

I never thought I'd watch an hour review on a game. You made it interesting and compelling to keep watching! Thank you! I agree with everyone else here, most thorough and interesting review for a game EVER!

@leviberruezo5862 Год назад

First of all, What an amazing video! thank you for your work. I wanted to ask something. I have never played tainted grail and I normally play more dungeon crawlers type of games. Now, should I start with Kings of ruin? or Fall of avalon 2.0? Just because I have heard that there is more encounters on fall of avalon. Thank you in advance!

@Shelfside Год назад

Good question! We haven't played Fall of Avalon 2.0, so can't speak too much there, but if you're looking for a more streamlined experience, KoR definitely more like that with the less open-world-ness. Again, only speaking from our experience on the prototype :D -Ashton

@nathalievazquez4708 Год назад

My favorite TG:KoR review by far.

@jakubmarkiewicz1769 Год назад

One of the best review/comparison I seen in long time. Good job Sir.

@wolfmathes5684 8 месяцев назад

great review. wish I had seen this when the game was still available for purchase ^^

@adam551982 4 месяца назад

So uh, did they make those time narkers congruent? One looked circular and the other was an hr glass. Hope they fixed it.

@nofriendzplaya69 Год назад

This review was amazing! You've earned my sub!

@osman_ajmal4011 Год назад

First video I've seen of your channel, and this was an amazing review. You've definitely sold me on this game even though I've never heard of it before, and I'm actually considering picking it up now!

@Shelfside Год назад

awesome to hear! It's definitely an awesome story -Ashton

@_The_Rake Год назад

I have TG: The Fall of Avalon and have yet to play it. I'm wondering how much of the 2.0 changes match the improvements in Kings of Ruin and whether it's worth buying.

@Shelfside Год назад

Unfortunately we don't know the exact details of the 2.0 changes beyond the component list (new rulebook with new mechanics like fast travel, hundreds of cards to replace old ones), so it's hard to say for sure -Daniel

@piotrjasik2835 Год назад

You need to play ISS Vanguard - yeah it's a different setting, but the writing is on the same level as Tainted Grail, and the gameplay part is literally your suggestion - simplified to dice rolls and map movement, with lots of ways to manipulate the dice. I'm just a couple of sessions in, but I already like it more than Tainted Grail and don't feel like I will skip the gameplay loop just to get to the next story bit

@Shelfside Год назад

well that sounds awesome. Hyped to play that one! -Ashton

@RatWithaTool Год назад

"Huge knight with small horse" got me to tears.

@vinnieyang5422 Год назад

That was amazingly through yet super entertaining!

@PresterJohn19662 Год назад

Gréât review, makes me feel better about backing. Never played the original but I had to get it now. Well done

@tasujturlaj5272 Год назад

Those two-sided location cards, where you can explore both sides - it's like Upside-Down in Stranger Things!

@dsaashley Год назад

what a superb review. I sold my TG because of the grind. backing this. Any thoughts on whether the update fixes issues in the original campaign

@ericdaoust8789 Год назад

I never write RU-vid comments but thank you for this review, It seems that what I disliked with the original is mostly fixed and what I like (story and combat, yes I really like the combat) stayed.

@Ahatch0788 Год назад

I think Tainted Grail combat would benefit from being a deck builder like Tainted Grail Conquest

@travisengland3882 Год назад

Will you be doing a review on Tainted Grail Core 2.0?

@Shelfside Год назад

No plans for it rn, but if Awaken Realms is down, so are we! -Daniel

@realarete9544 Год назад

Wow, great work on this video. Subscribed. Also, digging the new look for TG in the form of KoR.

@jeremyacker7765 Год назад

Was recommended your video and it was great, instant subscribe.

@Anarchosyn Год назад

Hah, your 'announcer voice' affectation is pleasant to listen to. Solid preview.

@killmeh2 Год назад

9:15 - they fucking did it! :D This review alone made me pledge, awaken realms should pay you commission.

@shaynegrieve Год назад

Firstly, one of the most comprehensive and consistently entertaining board game reviews I’ve ever watched. Been hunting for more content just like this. You had me so amped and keen, but knowing the fight mechanics are tedious/repetitive has made me grow ever so slightly skeptical. Do you feel they can tweak this or is the train left the station?

@Shelfside Год назад

I think it's fine as is if you enjoy it, but I'm someone who found it be meh in the first place, and after finishing the first game, it's just tiring for me personally since there's no fundamental changes. If this is your first Tainted Grail game, I don't see it as an issue since there's drastically less fighting in Kings of Ruin! And even if you do eventually get sick of it, hopefully that's from having a Tainted Grail campaign under your belt lol -Daniel

@Kelfecil Год назад

Thank you so much for making this HUGE video with so many well-explained criticisms for both pros and cons! We are now 100% sure that Tainted Grail is not for us. We enjoyed Etherfields for the first 5-6 hours (despite how bad the rules and learning them is with the game) but Tainted Grail just feels like "great story, boring mechanics". It was quite clear that you both loved the story in Tainted Grail and that was pretty much it. 😅

@Arnikoochak 15 дней назад

Thank you very much! I do hope you review Tanares Adventures sometime!

@samardzicemir Год назад

Great video! I'm only 26 minutes in and you already got a new subscriber :) Quick question, since there are so many pro's over the Fall of Avalon, should I still get FoA (as I really want to)? I would hate it if the gameplay is so different that I ended up not liking it over KoR. Basically, what is the difference between FoA and FoA 2.0 that they are releasing? What will be improved in FoA 2.0, if anyone knows?

@Shelfside Год назад

Unfortunately don't know, Awaken Realms still hasn't released further details on what 2.0 FoA changes. All they've said is wider generalizations like a fast travel system, less resource costs for less grind, better balance, etc. but no specific details as to what's being changed. -Daniel

@samardzicemir Год назад

@@Shelfside still sounds good enough to try it out. Thank you!

@williamgarcia-medina9989 Год назад

Nice battlestar galáctica poster

@emanuelsantiago6734 Год назад

This is what i needed considering the new kickstarter. Idk if fall of avalon 2.0 fixes all the issues with the 1st game but thinking i may back for Kings of Ruin and play Avalon through the future digital version. Either way great work as always

@Maspital Год назад

Would you recommend getting Fall of Avalon with the new 2.0 changes? :) Also, great video!

@Shelfside Год назад

Cant say for certain at this point because we don't know the specifics, just that the rules have changed and that a bunch of cards are replaced thanks to the component list of the 2.0 upgrade kit (it's just a bunch of cards and a new rulebook) -Daniel

@Roufus55 Год назад

I was 100% excited before this video. Now I'm 10,000% excited.

@sluukes Год назад

Love the energy and humour Daniel!

@CarstenBernstorff Год назад

OMG love your review style .... soooooo subbed :) great work

@Shelfside Год назад

Much appreciated!

@stevenamamoto585 Год назад

Glad to see corrections of things that drove me from the game. For me though I found the world was not one that I wanted to explore.

@Kindlesmith70 7 месяцев назад

Difficulty includes both a time and skill. Dark Souls incorportaes both. Do you want run into boss fights to triumph by learning the fight, or do you want to spend time gathering up resources, equipment, and stat increases to make the fight quicker? Your threshold for patience is part of what can make games difficult.

@theoverzealouscollector8198 Год назад

Great job- just subbed I just bought the first game, does the 2.0 rules for It fixed some of these issues ? Thanks

@petestead2737 Год назад

They are doing a 2.0 update pack in the current kickstarter that addresses some of the grind issues

@F.S.P.73 Год назад

This review is gold!

@sharkey1337 Год назад

That Pokémon battle at the start sold me on a sub! 😂

@kennethdwyer3143 Год назад

Exceptional review, great job

@wilsonmcwilson4813 Год назад

Great review! Thanks a lot!

@CptLordCockburn 4 месяца назад

Great f-ing prototype review man!!!

@drasher25 Год назад

Fantastic review, thank you! I especially appreciated the breakdown of everyone's opinion of the combat system. It struck me as meh in the original and this seems like more of the same. I'm on the fence on this one, and if I do go for it wondering how deep I should go. I'm interested in your opinion on if the monster minis are worth it. Do they hang around on the board for a while or are they just out and back into the box?

@Shelfside Год назад

They definitely stay around longer than previously cause they can no longer disappear on their own, but if your playstyle involves hunting them down the instant they spawn then the minis may not last that long still lol. I'd say if you love minis then go for it, but otherwise leave them out if their presence doesn't make the vibes better for you -Daniel

@ogeert Год назад

Great review, very good video. Keep it up!

@buhg1 Год назад

That is so wierd! The thing you hate the most is actually the reason I backed Kings of Ruin :) - I loved the combat system and diplomacy system in FoA - But me and my wife also had an approach where every combat we did and discussed together.

@Shelfside Год назад

oh interesting! Yeah I liked it at first, and had a lot of discussion with DAniel on fights, but eventually we just kinda tired of it haha. Can see what you mean! -Ashton

@CB-yh3db Год назад

Whoa special FX are phenomenal.

@OmfgItsSteven Год назад

Having a bunch of different characters is cool but I don't like to see it coming at the cost of big imbalance issues which seem to be a recurring problem in Awaken Realms games. I also feel that some mechanics such as insanity are just thrown in to be more thematic, but they don't really improve the game well. Pretty awesome at a lot of the other things they changed though, especially reducing the grind!

@DoppelgangerF02 Год назад

you guys are GOIN HARD.

@roodkaak771 Год назад

best review of this game bar none. absolutely loved it.

@Garretlike Год назад

If you wanna try something more niche in regards of dice roll/dice manipulation/card play for combat i recently can recommend Zerywia. It's more of a classic map co-op rpg adventure, but the combat system is sure fun. (at least for me) the rulebook (v1.0) is confusing as hell though. better watch a gameplay video to see what i mean.

@steveg8984 Год назад

You guys do amazing reviews. TY

@michaelbewick6047 6 месяцев назад

did they ever release this update in the uk. i cant find it anywhere :/

@Shelfside 5 месяцев назад

It's not out yet, but should be shipping to its backers fairly soon iirc, dunno about when/if it hits retail -Daniel

@SeanUCF Год назад

Curious what you guys think about the video game version compared to the board game version.

@Shelfside Год назад

I bought conquest a while back during a steam sale but haven't played yet so I may get around to that, but I mostly care about getting the first person fall of avalon cause it looks like tainted grail skyrim edition lol -Daniel

@SeanUCF Год назад

@@Shelfside Yeah I just saw Fall of Avalon on steam the other day. Looks interesting for sure. I got to spend some time on Conquest recently and it's really good! Basically slay the spire but in more of an open world/Diablo 1 type of setting. Best Deck Builder I've played on PC so far.

@theclash24 Год назад

Grind has been changed...it always has been "the grind" the negative term...when did it become a softer term...

@Filip_eF Год назад

I watched only few minutes. Loving these kind of reviews 😎😎😎👌👌👌

@mateuszkiszlo1059 Год назад

Tainted Grail, but now it works!

@LunaMirage Год назад

Awesome review!

@jcapo5 5 месяцев назад

Hi I'm from the future. This game is great and about 4 times the size of that box

@nimblegoat Год назад

Thanks answered a question for newbies - just get the new one only - ie too much rinse and repeat if get both with same similar fight mechanism

@vlowolvtake1797 Год назад

I know it's a stand alone sequel but aren't the story world connected though? I'm afraid that I will want to know more if I only get the new one. I've seen good reviews (maybe even better reviews compared to the core game) of the expansions of the first game. I'm actually (sorta) watching the new Game of Thrones series just for this reason.

@nimblegoat Год назад

@@vlowolvtake1797 Not sure - I might cave and get both - but my currency has tanked vs USD

@vlowolvtake1797 Год назад

@@nimblegoat Same here...I will probably wait until the very end of the campaign and see in hopes of the currency situation getting any better...for less guilt😂

@Shelfside Год назад

For connected world, while both take place on the island of Avalon, I can say right now that despite having beaten Fall of Avalon, I have no idea wtf is happening so far in Kings of Ruin lol, obv don't know if there's more lore connections later in the campaign. I do know that Kings of Ruin mentions the Fomorians from the Red Death expansion though -Daniel

@vlowolvtake1797 Год назад

@@Shelfside Thank you Daniel🤩🤩🤩Better calm my anticipation...the games are not even coming until next year!

@SarimRune Год назад

Thanks for this. Your critiques of the original game mirror my own exactly. However, I never actually could bring myself to finish it. I don’t suppose there is anything in the new KSer that will improve the original game, retroactively?

@RolandIronfist13 Год назад

Theres an update pack for rules and stuff. You can see it on the page.

@dextersamson8286 Год назад

@@RolandIronfist13 it doesn't update FoA to KoR gameplay. Don't spread misinformation.

@BradLacke Год назад

@@dextersamson8286 The update pack is designed to improve the old game retroactively…which is literally what OP just asked about. I think you’re confused.

@bobbucker5891 Год назад

Take a shot every time he knocks over that mini without moving it to a safer spot.

@drinkwatertopreventkidneys841 Год назад

Is the game difficult without being grindy? Sounds like they removed the grindy aspects which is a good thing, but it also sounds like the game will be a walk in the park. Hopefully there are still ways for this to be a challenging experience?

@Shelfside Год назад

The difficulty still comes from what you'd expect: random encounters gone wrong or explorations that do like half your health. Granted, it definitely is a little easier than FoA because you can heal faster, but if you want it to be harder, you can walk into wyrdness more often, and then past that you can choose to play challenge mode. (And in my honest opinion, Tainted Grail's systems were never hard in the first place, just needlessly tedious and occasionally you randomly suffer huge chunks of damage) -Daniel

@noneyafkn Год назад

Fantastic review 👏

@lp9092 Год назад

1) Re: transformed state: “they fuckin’ did it!” Hahaha. 2) great definition on “grinds” and why they can suck.

@BukovTervicz Год назад

This review is so damn good

@eriksjogren800 8 месяцев назад

Thanks for the video

@Shoitaan Год назад

I can't tell if the number of things knocked over is a sign that Daniel has too many things around him or simply that he flails too much XD

@Shelfside Год назад

Naw, Claudyne the Unknighted is simply in my way -Daniel

@mikedjoons3634 Год назад

Love your content guys keep it up! I can highly reccomend sleeping gods for a review.

@Warlock_-iq7jb Год назад

Amazing review!! Nothing else to say.

@Shelfside Год назад

Thanks a ton!

@LPDani123 Год назад

this made me super interested Can you do Destinies next? :3

@BradLacke Год назад

I never get tired of seeing 50 comments about how broken Tainted Grail is by people that have never cracked the box open

@Shelfside Год назад

Tbf Fall of Avalon was pretty broken as a game between certain infinites existing, dysfunctional rules, and unbalanced progression lmao -Daniel

@BradLacke Год назад

@@Shelfside gonna have to disagree there. People say the exact same thing about Etherfields. Dark Souls is a good example of a game that doesn't work RAW. Hard/"I don't like it" is not the same thing as a broken or poorly designed game.

@Shelfside Год назад

@@BradLacke Depends on the commenter and how they describe their problems with FoA, but I'm referring to people who broke the game via early power spikes and then turning the gameplay into a super grindy slog since it was easy yet time-wastey. Obv the game isn't actually hard unless you challenge mode while ignoring the exploit grind spots so yes people who say it's hard and leave it at that havn't properly engaged with it -Daniel

@adammills5629 Год назад

Best board game review i have ever seen

@Tharukan Год назад

Alright, might even get this. Always thought AR Games are games for almost the price of a game with tons of minis but without tons of minis and thus a bad deal, but I got so many minis coming I don't care about that as much anymore. Also thought about getting the Fall of Avalon 2.0, but while it will be better, I don't think they can introduce all these fixes with just rules changes, they would have to change core components, which won't happen. I wanna experience the story of FoA first, but I don't think it's worth it to pay an additional ~150 € for a still suboptimal experience.

@fy8798 Год назад

The idea that "tons of minis" is "value" is inherently pretty clueless and one of the big things holding back the hobby. The reality is that mounds of minis are cheap. Ignorant people just THINK of them as value, so the minis get used to pretty much trick them into getting stuff that's really much cheaper but can be used to overcharge fools. The real value in a game is the gameplay content.

@Tharukan Год назад

@@fy8798 The idea that what you personally deem valuable is the objective definition of value is what I'd call clueless. Minis do have value for me and many different people, be it in increased immersion, to paint or to simply collect. The notion that minis are cheap to produce is, in most instances, just plain wrong. It generally is one of the biggest cost factors in mini board games. In addition, you are either moving the goal posts or were not able to understand what I was saying at all. I was quite clearly not speaking about a game that removed gameplay content and added in minis INSTEAD, I was argueing that a lot of games have as much gameplay content as AR titles IN ADDITION TO tons of minis, f. e. Arena: The Contest/ Tanares Adventures, Stormsunder and tons of others. Lastly, calling people on the internet clueless and ignorant because they hold a different opinion to yours, or in this case, you utterly midunderstood their opinion, is quite a dickish thing to do. YOU are what is holding this hobby back. Cheers.

@christianmendoza1126 Год назад

Wow I found a new top 3 board reviewer 😂🎉🎉

@tasujturlaj5272 Год назад

I usually watched videos at 1,25 speed. Not this one - it's 0,75

@justacynic Год назад

I would thank you for the review except now I think I should back the campaign, which my budget doesn’t really appreciate. 😉

@elqord.1118 Год назад

Super super disappointed as a Day 1 backer of the OG Tainted Grail campaign. They delivered us a beta version of a game. Good concept but average execution. The trodding and padding was just too much. The game had a kickass story that I couldn't continue because the gameplay just turned into a boring and tedious affair. Spend 200 bucks on that baby just for it to collect dust...UGH. Definitely not supporting their storey based stuff anymore