Taking a look at the Asetek Simsports 27nm Invicta Wheelbase and Forte Wheel! 

Was thinking exactly the same thing.. now pondering on selling my dd2!

If ya don't mind me asking, why's it "not anymore" for you?

@@coliimusic sure, no problem. At 54 I'm getting a bit old for it, I know people race at that age and older, but the stress and frustration I found meant I wasn't enjoying it anymore. I've had plenty of fun racing since the early 90s, but now I get much more pleasure watching others, especially 'Grandad' Dave!

@@cafepuschkin3955 I'm 63, When am I to old? When I cannot get out of the pits...or cockpit.

Damn i'm 66 and I still love the hell out of it.

@@cafepuschkin3955 I am trying to get my dad interested of sim racing, he's in 70's and used to drive rallye in 80's :D

Was simagic mentioned in this video?

Yes it did you nob

Did you even watch the video before commenting??

@@jonneymendozapeople can comment what they want so sit back and be quiet Logitech boy

@@SIMRIG412😂😂😂 I don’t know why this made me laugh 😂

Simucube is still better and nicer

@@SIMRIG412maybe only thing I don’t like about simucube is all wheels need to have battery only thing stopping me of getting it

@@SIMRIG412 ultimate is better not the pro

When things are almost perfect it's hard for it to sound anything but an advertisement 😂

@@davecamyt Understandable. Maybe you could have mentioned that it's still pre-order phase or that shipment can take a few weeks/months. Just for the impatient kids. Other than that, I can live with the orange buttons. 😆

@@davecamyt have you seen the other kit Asetek have brought out? They have a La Prima kit that goes toe-to-to with the Logitech DD and can be fully upgraded to match this spec with a PCB swap

Yes I have. It's genius 👍

@@EikeSky ive never seen asetek mention that you could get invicta performance out of a la prima... they did say you could make the la prima a forte which would indicate the la prima must be using the same motor as the forte with the same slew rate but obviously detuned by the PCB... the invicta is a different motor entirely i believe since the slew rate is far higher, and the slew rate is mechanical, it cant be changed with electronics. also if you check the specs and description on the asetek website they state the la prima can be upgraded to forte spec only, no mention of invicta which would make perfect sense to me.

Thank you mate 😁

Still bought mine. I was really going to get one of these but its still a bit too early to judge. I also prefer simucube's way of mounting

Understandable position. I’m still assembling my list/waiting on some parts to be available for my rig…I figure I’ll give them another month to sort the initial issues and see what’s up then.

@@secularist1969 yo update, i have had my SC2P for a day now and just wow! Im coming from an entry level dd and i cant even compare the two, literally. The software is always raved about and i see why, but the way the motor feels and reacts is what really blew me away. I can feel everything 🥹. I honestly don't see it getting any better than this, i would highly recommend it!

Sorry Jon. Have a great weekend mate 😁

@@amigoz3201 I can't help it if you found the pedals uncomfortable. Maybe you have funny feet? I have heard the VRS pedals are great, although I can't justify buying a set when I have lots of superb sets of pedals already. I never ask companies for gear in case you wondered. I assume you're joking when you suggest I've been paid for a video on a product, so I'll let that slide. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

@@davecamyt props to you Dave, that was a very civilized response to a trash comment. Much more civilized than I would have been 😂

Did you watch the video? If I was being paid, then it would have said 'Paid Promotion'. Failing to do that is against RU-vid's terms of service. Anyway, thought you'd unsubscribed?

@@davecamyt HI Dave looks like I have stirred something up by my comment apologies for any negative comments that seem to be coming your way that was not my intention at all.

I'm currently testing the Forte. It's incredible 👍

@@davecamyt do you notice much difference in performance between the two?

They didn't partner with granite, They purchased intellectual property, the right to use basically everything granite created with simucube from hardware schematics to software programming. the result of which is Asetek are aloud to use the simucube QR design and expand upon it which they have... a lot of the software is very familiar to what simucube offers they just blatantly renamed some sliders, corner force assist is blatantly simucubes static force reduction, anti oscillation is blatantly simucubes ultra low latency which is specifically designed to reduce oscillation etc. They really did put that IP to good use and took everything good about simucubes and rolled with it BUT im pretty sure it wasnt what you would call a partnership, asetek was essentially a customer after the acquisition given the right to use what they like to springboard the project much faster. I do think it works in simucubes favour for Asetek to be successful as they now own shares within Asetek. The motors used by both companies are completely different aswell, Asetek using a custom specced mige motor and simucube developing their own in house i believe so when measuring the slew rates they would have likely been done under different conditions and under the conditions Asetek chose the simucube 2 pro could well have registered an average 6.3 and the mige motor could have achieved 9.4 which would explain why it feels far snappier, who knows under the conditions simucube tested the mige motor might achieve 12nm/ms and the simucube 2 pro 8.

I've been using an SC2 Pro and I feel this is a better all round wheelbase. I've put mine up for sale and using this from now on 👍

If you've bought into Simucube already then my advice would be to stick with it for the time being and see how the Asetek stuff pans out in terms of ecosystem and, more importantly, reliability. It's not like the Simucube just suddenly became crap overnight because a wheelbase with subjectively slightly more feeling came onto the market, and you don't know how Simucube are going to respond in terms of FW and SW updates, and it's these that are mostly responsible for the feel of the wheelbase. Personally I've always felt that the SC2 bases are a bit too polite and a bit too smooth, but I'm not going to rush out and buy the Asetek stuff until the dust settles and we can get feedback from customers and not just "Simfluencers" - no disrespect at all to any of them, but they do tend to get their kit for free.

@@slaphead90 it's not like I needed another wheelbase though is it? If it wasn't better (in my opinion) than the SC2 Pro I've been running I'd have put that back on. I have every faith in Asetek and their products, but you're right, just wait If you own the SC2 Pro already if you're uncertain. 👍

@@davecamyt It's very easy for you to say that you're ditching the old in favour of the new because you get sent this stuff for free a lot of the time. I've nothing against that at all, but bear in mind that the rest of us need to factor in spending a couple of thousand for what, at the end of the day, might be just a very slight improvement depending on your usage case. I can afford it, but as the SC2 is already performing for me, despite some minor complaints, I see no real reason to "upgrade" until such a time as the Asetek ecosystem has matured and we see real world feedback in terms of reliability and customer support.

@@slaphead90 yes I get what you're saying 👍

Yes I saw that, but which maniac is realistically going to do that? When you think of which way you move the wheel there is no way it's coming off.

@@davecamyt I think my concern would be if the tolerances reduce with time, cycles and wear and would the force needed to dislodge reduce. Unlikely but you never know.

@@SuperBomars I agree it shouldn't which is why they're making some changes. 👍 It's hardly comes off by itself 😂 You have to really use some force to make it happen, and in no way the normal forces which would be applied.

I'm testing the Forte wheelbase right now. If I were you that would definitely be on my radar. It's superb 👍

Thanks Dave I will wait for that video , but great work love you racing videos inspires me

Yes I think the Asetek base felt more responsive than the SC Pro. On iRacing the SC now has 360hz ffb so that might be a consideration as Asetek doesn't

@@davecamyt great thanks. I don’t play iracing, I’m currently solely focused on LMU when I do play. How does it feel on that? Also, the front mount solution, that all good. No flex. I have the P1X cockpit so will need to change the front plate to accommodate

@@brooksy2622 yep, front mount it perfect. Base feels great on LMU 👍

@@davecamyt perfect. I shall buy based on your recommendation alone ;) If I’m not happy, you’ll be hearing from me lol hopefully race and beat you soon on LMU!

@@brooksy2622 make sure you use my link to get 5% off 😁

Hey buddy. The Invicta pedals are amazing, but very stiff. Be warned 😁 I'm testing the Forte wheelbase right now and it's incredible. 👍

@DaveCamYT thanks for the reply. Would you say I'd be better with the Asetek set-up I memtioned, than the Fanatec DD2 and Clubsport V3 pedals then yeah?

@@donsummers7627 yes 100 % 👍

@@davecamyt top man. Cheers.

you didn´t liked the Moza R9?

@@RacingTherapy yeah I really do like it and think its the best bang for buck DD out there (well that and the R5) and would recommend it to anyone that asks. Same as anything, just ant to improve my setup year on year.

You would have to use a button plate. I'll have a video out soon on just this subject 👍

@@davecamyt Thank you very much Dave.

@@davecamyt When did you plan to release that video about button plate, I'm browsing the net and I'm not sure how to do it all, I'm afraid I'll buy something wrong, ormake something wrong. PS: Dave, would you allow me to paste my video on your videos in the future, I'm looking for my audience, it's about racing simulations and the like, I can't wait for your new video, cheers👍

lol that was a waste. For 2nm you won’t use and only expensive wheels work on sc2 wireless and usually those wheels aren’t worth it

@@SIMRIG412 waste? I get no more oscillation on this thing compared to alpha and not lose detail,superior software,and if Im ever getting that lazy to swap a battery after 3+ years that cost a penny then…What are you even talking about

Why did you sell the alpha u? What don’t you like?

@@tbGTR the oscillation was driving me nuts!i could dial down wheel rotation speed etc to get rid of it,(i did) but then it just feelt ”off” and lost some details from the road. I was more in the settings then actually playing.. i like to hold the wheel light sometimes when on a straight etc but then it started going left right and never stopped on the straight. Got the sc2 pro and instantly i could have the rotation speed i want with 0 oscillation and keep the details from the road. Just poof all fixed that i was annoyed with.

I'll probably use both tbh. The Forte wheel is so much better to use than I thought it would be 👍

You will be able to buy them separately so you can use whatever wheel you like.. The Forte wheel already has the QR fitted 👍

Yes all done with the software for whichever wheel you have 👍

I guess it's all about the quality of the motor itself. The higher the torque the more responsive it'll probably be at lower values. That's just a guess from me though 😂

That's quoted by Simucube. Asetek tested it and those are the numbers I provided 👍

@@davecamyt That's so misleading. A Big BIG NO NO. You are taking the word of Asetek and agreeing with them? Have you done your own testing for this ? You also did not disclose that the 6.2 number you used was provided by Asetek.

@@StatsGam4er This seems like standard practice to me. A company needs to measure/benchmark their product and compare with a competitor. They have access to their product, the competitor's product and their own testing equipment/methodology. They test both their product and the competitor as similarly as possible.... They don't have access to the competitor's exact testing set up... They can't just take their competitor's word for it especially not knowing their specific testing setup and methodology If you believe they are being disingenuous in their testing that's one thing. But this is what happens with nearly all consumer electronics. NVIDIA doesn't take AMD's slides and then run their own test and post them. They test both on their own machines and report those numbers. TVs, Mice, Phones, etc... All these companies are doing this. Some have 3rd party reviewers that can independently test their claims. If anyone thinks either company is not accurate they can simply buy both products and set up their own well controlled independent test and report back their findings to the masses. EXCEPT... that's not a trivial thing to accomplish. Asking Dave to do so is pretty ridiculous. He doesn't even consider this a review. Nor himself a reviewer. He states that ALL THE TIME. Including the beginning of THIS video. This type of measurement is not easy to repeatedly take. It's likely that the set up between Simucube's measurements and Asetek's are different. There's so much variance in how you measure something like Torque slew rate, it can easily account for the differences in measurements. Are they measuring from -10NM to 10NM? Or 0 to 20NM. Are they measuring static starts or while already moving? I'm not kinematics expert but coming at Dave for just trying to use products and give his experience is bad form IMO. Go shout at Simucube and Asetek and tell them you don't want to buy any of their products until they agree upon a standard test and put all their products head-to-head. I'd love to see that. But I'm not holding my breath

@@StatsGam4erhe said „quoted by simucube“….

The 6-9 in iracing does not translate to Nm. It's just a strength number. I have a CSL DD which is 8 Nm and sometimes my iracing setting is 12 or higher. But yes, I think the 18Nm base would be more than enough for most. Just a lower slew rate but a rate that pretty much matches the Simucube ultimate I believe.

Get a CSL DD if you plan on using 6-9Nm lol.

I clearly say in the video you have to buy those separately.

​@@davecamyt It was related to the comment starting at 38:10 "fully loaded" 🙂

546+37+37=620 😁

I've never used the 12nm moza so couldn't really compare, but the La Prima is superb 👍

The FFB is going to be way more detailed on the Asetek compared to the Moza. I have the Invicta

I've got the ultimates on right now 👍

They did. I'll be looking at that next week 👍

@@davecamyt brilliant, look forward to watching as usual. Good luck in the PESC race tomorrow & hope your practice pays off💪

@@liamconway3965 thanks Liam 😁

He is getting paid to mislead people....

I am?

The 8nm is quoted by Simucube. Asetek tested it in exactly the same way as they test their own devices and the number was much lower. Maybe Simucube tested it a different way who knows.

@@davecamyt I tested yesterday the asetek base and is just 4nm/s .... 🤦😂 👍

@@HDRGamingHub 😂

I've no idea if they will have any sales 🫤

If you look at the la prima set, it's even cheaper. I've been excited about these wheelbases for months now.

if you want to buy the asetek hardware i would recommend buying it from pure sims which is in the UK, i have purchased from them before and they are pretty damn excellent, and ofcourse being in the uk there is no import duties to worry about. i ordered an invicta from them yesterday and they expect them in march sometime as its currently on pre order. the invicta wheelbase and forte wheel comes in at around £1800 but if you install honey into your browser that will find a discount code for you dropping the price by about £45, not much but its something. If you buy direct from asetek the shipping costs are astronomically high.

@@jinx20001 ill look into it thanks for the reply

@Jack Todger A particular niche, I guess. When I can bench 500 lbs. I'll buy one 😁

They sell/or will be selling an adaptor to work with a bunch of third party wheels. Check out their site, I'm sure they'll have some details on there. Or I believe there are some RU-vid videos from a trade show last year showing them off. A simple search should help you.

@@matta2738 thanks I did have a look but couldn’t see it on website. Dave did mention he had a QR but it could be pre production I guess.

Asetek will be selling a mechanical QR (which I have) which just bolts to your rim like any other quick release. They will also be releasing a QR with a usb port so you can use the base for data/power 👍

@@davecamyt epic you’re a legend thank you.

It's provisionally sold already 👍

Lol, I commented before I heard you say it’s for sale. I really like this asatec wheel base. I might have to buy this

@@beyondtheapexracing i have a simucube 2 pro for sale, 6 months old... cheaper than the asetek thats for sure lol

@@jinx20001 how much?

@@beyondtheapexracing sorry i totally missed your comment until coming back now to check, i sold it for £850.

No, I don't believe so. I can't see Fanatec allowing their electronics being used through someone else's QR 👍

I'll be releasing a video soon where I talk about the wheelbase during a G Challenge race. In short, I like it a lot 👍

I had a VRS base and in my opinion this is way better 👍

That may be the case, but in my opinion the product is better than the SC2 I've been using. You could also argue that the 8nm/ms quoted by Simucube was done with their own testing. Asetek wouldn't just fire random numbers out there if they couldn't show their wheelbase was more responsive. I'm not a fanboy of Asetek btw. I'm a fan of products which are better than the ones I'm using and that will always be the case.

The peak and continuous torque is not relevant simply because DD motors are generally strong enough no human will be able to hold them at peak torque long enough for them to throttle... every single DD motor out there can handle more torque than they are rated at, what company will release a motor for public use absolutely capped to its max? it wont happen, so yes the simucube 2 ultimate could be capable of 70nm (yes im part of the simucube forum too :) ), perhaps the Asetek motor could be aswell, perhaps the thrustmaster motor could handle 30nm... obviously they are designed to run efficiently and reliably and are set where the manufacturer decides it can do that without ever failing. If Asetek literally copy and pasted the simucube software why the hell would that be a bad thing... sounds to me like the very best start a manufacturer could have, its an extremely smart acquisition lets be honest, have your starting point be arguably the very best and go forward from there, its genius. I dont know why simucube owners get so upset that something could possibly come around that does things better, I am a simucube 2 pro owner so it stings a little but ive had my eye on Asetek for a long while now, why? because they did exactly the right thing in purchasing IP from what in my opinion was the best in this game. They took the SQR which i think is the best QR ive ever felt and made it better, its unquestionable, how can any simucube owner not admit that taking the simucube QR and somehow adding power to it is not a genius move? Then they used the knowledge of granite devices along with some code to ensure they have at least the same if not better software, again how can any simucube owner sit there and honestly say that offering basically the same settings as true drive while expanding it to control EVERYTHING else on your rig from pedals to LEDs etc... how is that not just EXACTLY what we wish true drive did?? Lets just be honest with ourselves, the simucube is brilliant, the software is brilliant but Asetek seem to have gone in and improved it EXACTLY where we all knew it needed improving, granite devices have tried to keep up they really have, it wasn't long ago they only could use wheels wireless with 28 inputs, now they have wheels capable of up to 96 inputs with a newly released bluetooth module in some wheels, see the ascher f64 v3 for example... is it enough? nope, there is still no power delivery for wheels using a display for example... its falling behind and thats just the way it is and im ready to accept that. Asetek have even cut deals with big third party manufacturers so they offer wheels that work natively with Asetek hardware, thats one of the biggest moves the industry has seen, it essentially makes every wheel from cube, gsi and many other big boys in the market an official Asetek wheel, thats crazy. Is the Asetek perfect, absolutely not in my opinion, im very worried about certain aspects, it uses a slip ring to deliver power, i dont like that, by design its a part of the wheelbase that does wear over time, how much time is anyone's guess, a long time for sure but i HATE that aspect of it, I dont like the plastic front and rear, i dont like that it appears larger than the simucube bases etc. I think we just have to accept that its ok for something to come along that is as good or better in certain aspects... im ok with it, ive ordered one...

8nm is quoted by Simucube. Asetek tested it and it was 6.3. 👍

@@davecamyt so, according to asetek, granity device declared a fake slow rate? Sorry Dave but honestly this thing seems very strange to me. Probably they used different methods to test slow rate

​@@MegaEgizyour correct. According to Boosted medias video there's 2 different ways they've been measured thus Asatek did their own measurements on the Simucube as a comparison.

I'm just quoting the figures I got 👍

I don't like that numbers can be banded around on videos that haven't been independently checked. Feels more like a paid association ad campaign

See ya

@@matta2738 F$$king troll .... What would you tube be with out them.

Tf are you talking about hes been reviewing for years

Wow Dave you got some real Trolls on your Channel , I will be sure not to make a Comment on here anymore.

Yep, I've looked at products for a long time. Feel free not to watch them 👍

I've let you down. I'll do better next time 😁

@@davecamyt going the extra mile for your viewers i appreciate it Dave

Yep I agree. Whatever base you choose from the current crop is going to be just fine 😁

Davecam is shilling for Invicta.

You better believe it 😁

Have you seen one in person?

@@davecamyt unfortunately not, i had to make a blind purchase since i had no opportunties to try or even see first hand any gear, i went for the moza bundle, it's in shipping right now and i hope i didnt made a mistake... really shouldn't watch reviews of other gears now haha

At least the moza qr is a good one 😁

@@davecamyt i hope there is more than that tho... problem with reviews is that almost everyone is calling every piece of gear fantastic...

Apparently an LMP is even more. Crazy

niels heusinkveld did a video of torque output of real cars I think. Go check it out.

@Jack Todger lmfao okay…

@Jack Todger It is overkill. No one would ever need 27nm peak torque wheel base.

@Jack Todger Aight let that snap on you, you're gonna be calling the emergency real quick after you injury your arm.

If you bought a Fanatec wheelbase, could you use a Simucube mount or vice versa?

@@davecamyt I own a f-gt elite front mount , I can mount both the semicube or the Fanatec DD and many others without any accessories because they are standard , not like the Asetek . And it’s a pity because their products feel absolutely amazing .

Front mount the Fanatec? The holes on the front aren't for mounting. Don't want you to damage it 👍

@@davecamyt the f-gt elite has both front / side mount . Obviously Fanatec DD on side mount and simagic front mount . And the Asetek fits on neither of them . I think they could have made an effort to align their front mount with standard.