@@kid45620 that’s awesome. So chi is currently developing different batteries for the Talaria Sting but nothing is available at the moment. It’s also a different connector for the Talaria than the Sur Ron.
Great Vid! You REALLY got my attention with your comment about being a bigger rider @6'2" 260 lbs, I thought I read that the Sting maxed out @ 220 lbs. You have given me hope, I am 6'4", 270 lbs. Did you make any changes to the suspension, like a stiffer rear spring? Thanks!
I’m glad it helped you out. It claims to only support riders up to 220lbs but the frames are much more rebuts than let’s say a SUPER73 and that will support a rider over 300lbs so I think that rating is way off. There are tons of heavier riders out there on Sur Ron’s and Talarias. I did not make any changes to the suspension and really haven’t needed to. I may down the line but it’s not critical.
Tit for tat, the Sting should be a better bike, but I don't like it. I own both. My biggest beefs with the Talaria: 1. The throttle control at slow speeds is a deal breaker for me. It's jumpy and dangerous...even in Eco it feels jumpy to me. The Sur Ron has a much more useful throttle response curve for me. I find it way easier to keep my wheelies up and control my jumps at the track. 2. The seating position is hard on my back. It angles downward too much and it sits higher than the Sur Ron so whatever spacers or down stem you use, the bars are going to be 2 inches lower than on the Sur Ron (the flip side is the Talaria sits 2 inches off the ground, but that matters less to me). I guess the sting is more comfortable if you like hunching? That's not for me though. I like to ride more upright. I'm 5"10 for what it's worth. 3. The weight of the bike is something you feel a lot on trail riding. Every so often I encounter a tough situation that I can't clear while riding. I have to get off the bike and carry it over something. Doing this with the Talaria is much harder. I'm only 150lbs and not a beast of a man though. Also, These are mountain bike shocks. Mountain bike brakes. Adding another 20 lbs to these already strained parts is probably also bad. I would guess more fork failures on average. Faster brakes fading on average. 4. I'm not crazy about how the battery jostles around. I think the tray is going to brake if I don't strap it down. The pros. The Body of the Talaria is wider and feels great between your legs. The back swing arm can take a larger tire which is a big deal in the long run with an upgrade. It sits higher off the ground. It is quiet. I do like the ability to switch regen braking on the fly, and mode 4 is badass and extreme regen so that might help with the brakes fading faster. The Sting does look cooler imo and more like a motorcycle. At the end of the day, I find the Sur Ron easier on my body, easier to lift into a car or on the trail, and it's a more fun and nimble to ride. On a checklist, the Sting blows the Sur Ron away, but I don't ride a check list.
Wow, thanks for the detailed comment! You make a lot of great points. I hear what you’re saying about the throttle because a buddy has one and his wasn’t flashed like mine was. EBikeZilla flashed all their bikes going out so the throttle control is a LOT more smooth. I’m 6’2 and I love the seating positing more on the Talaria. I actually don’t feel too hunched over and there’s a lot more room for me to move around and in general. I just feel more comfortable on the bike. As far as the weight goes, I definitely hear what you’re saying since I do have a bike rack and getting the Sur Ron on it is a breeze but the Talaria is almost unmanageable by myself.
@@easyheimer interesting. I keep bringing up that ebikezilla thing with the people I bought it from and they shrug their shoulders and say it's bullshit. I don't know who to believe at this point. Also interesting on the seating position. Given that the average American man is 5.93 in, and I'm 5'10, maybe my take on that is a little bit more useful for the average user. Only 15% of the population is above 6 ft
@@easyheimer So just talked to the guys I bought it from Today, and they said the newest batch they got in have better throttle control. They claim they will look into flashing my controller. If that can be improved, I might just keep this bike.
@@easyheimer the fit and finish and overall quality is better on the sting, and it feels like a premium product maybe the little extra weight helps out here but the extra power makes up for it. The only thing I can think of that was better on the Sur Ron for me was the front end felt lighter and it was so easy to wheelie, the sting needs a bit more effort to get the front up but once you get the balance point there's not much between them. I've been explaining the difference between the two bikes to people that have asked me by saying the Sur Ron feels like an upgraded MTB compared to the sting which feels like a lightweight dirt bike
@@bevbiltgarage9791 I agree 100% as it does have a more premium feel to it. That 6000w (1000w difference) in power from the Sur Ron’s 5000w definitely makes up for the extra weight. I also feel a bit safer on it being a bigger guy. What do you think of the gear box vs the primary belt? What’s your thoughts on the required oil changes?
@@easyheimer coming from gas powered dirt bikes the gearbox and oil changes are details that show the development work that has gone into the bike, using proven reliable durable components also adds to the premium quality product. Personally I like the idea of changing the oil because this makes me feel like part of the process and being responsible for the condition of the powertrain. Although I have to admit I never had a problem with the belt drive on my Sur Ron X, I just feel more confident in a mechanical drive but it might just be me
@@bevbiltgarage9791 I actually didn’t even think of it that way. I also don’t mind the oil changes if it means it’ll prolong the life of the bike. As someone that also comes from gas bikes I like the fact that the gearbox is sealed so nothing can get in there unlike the belt.
@@easyheimer thanks for your answer! I heard that this is a common issue on the Sur Ron if you jump and don't be a featherweight. There is a support bracket for the Sur Ron and Gritshift offers one for the Sting.
@@Jitkoa1 yeah I mean there’s always a possibility. Just order the support when you order the bike. Do you own a Sur Ron or is this your first dirtebike?
@@easyheimer I ordered a Talaria Sting and hope it will arrive soon. Unfortunately there are no Gritshift parts available in Europa and I would have to pay a lot for shipping!!
what info is out there on street kits for the talaria in the usa? really would love to use this as a secondary city commuter vehicle/ fun haver but not sure if it need to be registered as a moped or if a pedal kit is needed and what the implications are for those scenarios. I know it probably depends on my state so MA if it helps
Hey easy! I can’t find the length difference between the stock sur ron and stock talaria. Would you happen to know? I saw someone say they could fit their sur ron in their Honda Element and I was hoping to do the same if I buy the talaria.
Go with the sur ron if your main concern is size. Go with Talaria for all the other reasons. By the way I'm only 2" taller than you and the Talaria would fit you just fine.
Just looking at the thumbnail. I wish I had the Talaria instead. The geometry is more aggressive and the stance all together looks a lot better to me. Oh well
@@easyheimer just have too much invested in the sur ron by now.... including 70ah battery 🤷🏽♂️ if I get another bike it's gonna be the electricmotion with clutch.
@@easyheimer thanks! Do you know if I can have pedal kit and rear pegs installed? Gotta look into a little more but have a similar setup on my Ariel rider and often ride with 2 people
Absolutely! But the issue is it’s constantly changing with inflation which is why I didn’t include it. I apologize. I’ll probably add that in the description.
@@tomdangelo4060 definitely not messing with you. Top speed on both bikes is around 47mph. That’s what it says on the Speedo but GPS real world speed might differ a couple mph.
So what you're telling me is two guys that used to work for surron started a million-dollar company to go into competition against Surron sounds like a fairytale to me surron owns both companies they are in competition with themselves that way they make all the money that sounds a little more Legit To Me all the guys that own surrons are going to want the new coolest thing plus new customers what happens they sell more bikes that works a lot better than a new model and everybody will be fussing over which one's better than the other one and what happens they sell more bikes
If you don’t believe me a quick google search will fix that. They are NOT in competition with themselves. That doesn’t make any sense. Two different companies buddy.