Tamiya XV01 vs TT02 Type-S Rally Race-off - Lancia Delta vs BMW Z3 

Thank you so much for your kind words! Glad you enjoy the fun we have, and no, we really don't take it too seriously, it's just 2 old guys having fun with RC cars! I really appreciate the comment - wishing you a lovely weekend my friend! :))

@@MarkBryanRC Thanks it was great! The Wife, kids, and I got to do some driving out in the sand and dirt this weekend end. While I was cleaning up my TT02 when I got home to put on the CVA super minis that came in while we were out of town I was thinking of you guys. Can you do a little video of how you clean up and maintain your chassis after a run? Thanks again guys really appreciate you! Love this channel

@@GrandTrunkWestern85 Sounds like awesome fun with the whole family running RC's! Your TT02 will be amazing with those CVA's fitted. Good idea for a new video, Freddy - I'll see what I can do! All the best to you and your family! :)

Thanks for watching and leaving a nice comment, Jeremy! Yeah, that XV01 is a real beauty - I think I need to give it a better motor and see how it flies then! All the best my friend! :-)

That's music to my ears, Lee! Definitely a passion and a hobby for lifelong kids! Nothing wrong with playing with big boy's cars. Oh, you are looking at other Tamiyas because you have caught the bug - it's a common effect!!!! :)

Ha. Yes I've got the bug! Can I ask a quick question, please? Now that I have two controllers (a Carson stick and an Etronix wheel), chargers and some batteries, when I buy my next Tamiya will I just need an ESC, a servo and a receiver and then I can use my two controllers to bind to the receiver? And if so, do I need to get specific receivers, or are there universal ones? New to all this!

@@leewprice I don't think it's easy to get the separate receivers for these radios. What I do is fix the receiver into the car with velcro, and just swap the receiver between cars! Saves a load of money and only takes a minute to do the swap! So you only need a servo and ESC for the next car!!!

Cheers Mark! Two views - you are spoiling me my mate! Have a great weekend! :))

Thanks very much, that's really nice of you to say, I am very happy that you enjoyed it my friend! Hopefully, more like this to come! :)

Thanks man, that is really nice of you! I agree the Delta is by far the better looking car, although the stickers on the Z3 are a very old motorcycling joke from the 90's! However, this one is much better, artistically, but has very few views - I would love your opinion! : ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-EqAHXuDBQlI.html Best regards, Mark :-)

Cheers my mate Tibs! Glad the fun comes across in the video, as it does in your vids mate! Well, I should be decent around that track, must have done over 500 laps around it by now!!! But yeah, still hitting those blasted trees! Who put them there? I'm sure they move into the path of the cars when I'm not looking! :D

Thanks very much Derek! Well, as you can imagine, we have used this course so much that I could almost drive around blindfolded! As Rob has been working away, we haven't run on it much in the last few months so it's getting overgrown - and the blooming parkie should get his finger out and mow the grass! That Goodwood meeting sounds awesome, I would love to go to that - but luckily it sounds like you are gonna show us some of the good bits - looking forward to that mate! :-)

Oh my BROSKI!!! I hope you are not at the doctors for anything too serious! Glad to keep you entertained for a few minutes - thanks for leaving a nice comment my friend! :))

@@MarkBryanRC I was at the back,spine specialist n he looked at my MRI n gotta get a couple more n might be able to walk again after a few surgeries

@@STEVOD313 OMG Broski! That is amazing news! I am so happy for you! I have all my fingers and toes crossed for you, Bless you my friend, hang in there brother, there is light at the end of the tunnel! :))

Haha, that's brilliant! We should have done that on the video. Thanks for the smiles!

@@MarkBryanRC thanks for the videos, from 🇺🇲

Thanks for the nice comment and for watching my videos! Yes, you usually do get what you pay for, the Type-S is slightly less expensive but IMHO just as good! I've had my XV01 for 5 years now and have never needed to adjust the drive belt!!! It just keeps going! 😎👌👍

Much appreciated, Sean! The rally cars are probably my favourite type of car to run at the moment, but that may change the next time I take a buggy out! All the best from Mark! :))

Hi Del! Hope you are well my friend! Well, the XV is a wacky design for sure, but it kinda makes sense when you build it! The TT type-S is more straight forward, but the suspension setup is a million miles better than the stock TT. And with the little boost that the Torque tuned motor gives it, it certainly felt faster than the XV, and the stopwatch proved that to be correct! I think the XV really needs a better motor, then it would be victorious! Thanks for the interesting comment, as always, wishing you and yours a lovely weekend, mate! :))

@@MarkBryanRC Thanks, Mark - are there any plans to up-spec the XV to a Torque tuned motor? Then you could have a rematch : )

Hi Del - I think I will go straight for a sensored brushless in the XV - the chassis should certainly be able to handle it, that should perk the little fella up a bit!

@@MarkBryanRC And with a sensored setup you can use our old friend the TBLE-02 : )

Yes mate - she's already sitting in the chassis waiting to be re-setup for brushless mode! :)

Thanks for the fantastic comment my friend, wishing you a lovely weekend too! :-)

Haha! Yeah, I did hit that tree hard! Thanks for the comment matey - always appreciated, have a lovely weekend! :-)

Mark Bryan RC anytime mate I always look forward to seeing your videos 👌😎

Thanks for watching buddy! It sure was fun to do - both cars are great to run on that track! :-)

Hi Sean! Thanks for the comment mate. Loving the XV01, I have had no issues or breakages so far, and it has had a lot of use (and crashes!) Recommended by me, definitely! One of my favourite runners, just stick a battery in and go! All the best, have a great Sunday :)

Thanks Jay! No I think the motor may be the difference, the XV01 has a Johnson silver can (stock) and the TT02s has a Torque Tuned (stock). The suspension on both chassis is very similar hence so is the handling although the XV01 turns in better due to the weight of the front motor. I still prefer the driving experience of the XV01 but the TT02s is awesome value for money! 😎👍

Thanks JD Bro! Yeah, I love these rally cars, look great and nice to drive! :)

Many thanks Are! Yeah, the XV comes with a Johnson 540 silver can! Need to give it a better motor soon, but it runs so good in standard form, I left it alone for too long! Time to upgrade I think - it sure could handle a hotter motor!

Cheers Tony! Please don't apologise - I am just so grateful for your awesome comments mate! Anytime brotha, you are a really good man! Hope you are healing well, speak soon my great friend! :))

Yeah healing well, I've took another week of because my nose is still sore and dont want to take a chance getting it knocked in work because as you know being a Prison Officer is not the gentlest of Jobs lol 😵 carnt wait to got out with my Rcs and do some running videos, sick of being indoors mate😥 anyway I'll be up and Running soon Kiddo 👍😁👍

Great to hear that mate - you can't be too careful, especially in your job! Take it easy mate, and I hope you get out and about with the RC's soon! Hang in there bro! Your mate, Mark...

Thanks Charlie! Well it was just a bit of fun, really! But the Type S sure is quick! Too bad we can't get the XV so cheaply over in the UK, 215 Eur is still the cheapest I can find! But yeah, most of us would be happy to own both of these lovely Tamiyas! Wishing you a lovely weekend to my good friend! :-)

Thanks Mike - much appreciated my friend! :-)

Cheers, Chris! Now that's a good idea - queue another video! I might just upgrade the motor on the XV for that! Hope you are having a good weekend mate! :-)

Cheers Bro! Hehe - good reason to go for the Johnson - I never knew they burnt up like that! I hope you are feeling better, I just watched a replay of Stevo's live vid and heard you were on meds - get well soon bud! :-)

Thanks very much! The DF-03r is a very fine chassis! I would love to own one some day, when funds allow. Yeah, I have a few cars running Turnigy 13.5 brushless setups, a great choice for these rally cars. I hope to upgrade my XV-01 very soon. As you say, not massively faster, but a nice boost in speed and even better, more pulling power and longer run times! Many thanks for watching and commenting, I appreciate it! Best regards from Mark :)

Thanks for the positive comment my friend! :)

Many thanks Sam! :-)

Thanks very much my friend! Yeah, the XV01 is awesome, but does have a tendency to oversteer a little more than it should (although oversteer is better than understeer IMHO) Agree that the overall balance of the TT02 is better out of the box. Thanks for the great comment, greetings to you from England! :))

Many thanks Alan! Yeah, sure do need to cut that grass - the park keeper is getting very lazy! Well, it was a fun little test, even though not too scientific! I did tot-up the rough prices of the hop-ups included in the Type-S kit over the stock TT02. It added up to quite a big difference, well over £80 if I remember, not including the suspension arms! (CVA shocks, Torque tuned motor, full ball bearings, high torque servo saver, Carbon fibre shock towers, full turnbuckle set - the list goes on!) So I think it would be most cost effective to just buy the kit! Have a great weekend my friend! :-)

Cheers Mark. I already have bearings, shocks and motor so I’m part of the way there 😬. I’ll have to do a cost/benefit on the rest. I don’t even know what a high torque servo saver is all about! I’ve got the torque-tuned motor and the Tamiya brushless so I have options there. I’ve seen loads of other hop-ups like the speed gears, motor mount, , ball difs and one-way front dif too. If you fully loaded it, you’d spend as much as a real Lancia Delta!

Sounds like you have a well sorted TT02 there, Alan! You have the most important bits! If I were you, I wouldn't even look at the ball diffs or one way diff, too expensive for little return in performance! You are right, you can spend silly money on these little kits - I also concentrate on value for money and the best performance increase per pound! If you haven't seen the Type-S unboxing I did, I go through all the hop up parts there. Have a great Sunny Sunday Alan!

One last thing Mark .... is your mate really tight ‘cos he’s still using his first digital watch from the ‘80’s 😬

Haha! Love that comment mate! Thanks for the smiles! Yeah, we are both stingy old gits - I am still using the Acoms transmitter I got with my fist Tamiya, the Monster Beetle, back in 86! Truly though, we both love all things retro and don't like chucking things away. I still use my Seiko analogue watch that I had for my 18th birthday, still keeps good time. Rob's is actually a modern retro copy - booo!!! :)

Cheers Mike! Yeah, I always root for the underdog too! Yeah, the track is a little wider than the XV and I think it has slightly more ground clearance, combined with the extra punch of the standard Torque Tuned motor it just has the edge! Have a great weekend my friend! :-)

Thanks very much - and yes, the TT01 Subaru is a lovely Tamiya RC! :)

Hi there and thanks for the great comment! Yes, the XV01 is expensive. But this is not the standard TT02! This is the TT02 Type-S, it costs about 130 pounds UK, as opposed to about 110 pounds for the stock TT02, but it does not come with a body. It is so much better than the stock TT02, I will leave a link to my unboxing of the Type-S so you can see the differences. Sorry if you already know all of this! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-j6ILQAGym2A.html I also have a build series of the Type-S where I show how to do the simple mods to increase ground clearance for rallying! Cheers! :)

@@MarkBryanRC Oh, I only noticed it wasn't a regular TT-02 just now! Thanks for the response, any advice much appreciated! As I said, I'm still learning about Tamiya but I guess I'm gonna stick with it for years to come. I love building, upgrading and that there are so many spare and custom parts available. Painting perhaps not my thing yet ;) Another skill to master then ;) EDIT: Yeah, being a beginner and all, I'm going for TT-02. Checked the prices and in my country it's 145 pounds for TT-02S without body and motor, 110 pounds for TT-02 with motor and Lancia Delta body and 190 pounds for XV-01 with Lancia body&motor. Step by step, I think. I'll change the bearings, diff gears and maybe add some alu parts and be good for some time.

Hello again, great to read you! No worries, I think you are making a good choice, the TT02 is a good basic platform, and as you say, there are many ways to upgrade and hop-up. The best thing is you can do it in stages and a bit at a time. Yes, you've chosen some good upgrades to begin with. I have another video about cheap/no-cost basic upgrades for the TT02 for rally running, take a look if you are interested and good luck with the new RC! Part 1: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-hoooFKgkJLw.html Part 2: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-60zIwIzAd64.html (but don't cut down the uprights as it's a bit tricky and easy to get wrong!)

Uhh, and still amazed at your driving skills. I would definitely have crashed into those trees 10 times per round and spun the car even more if I had a try. You should try a real track and show the young ones some skills 🙂 That track in the park is starting to look like my track on the lawn 😉

Cheers Mikael! Yeah, the Type-S is excellent, so many hop-ups included in the kit for only a fraction of the cost of buying them separately. Haha - funny comment, the stickers are an old motorcycling joke from the 90's (Porking, not Rob is King :D) Took them off yesterday and put the type-S stickers on, looks better now! :)

That's very kind of you to say, Mikael. Well, I should be decent around that track, must have done over 500 laps around it by now!!! I have learned that a little restraint is needed on the throttle, fighting the urge to just go flat out all the time! Yeah, since Rob has been working away, we haven't run on it much in the last few months so it's getting overgrown - and the blooming park-keeper should get his finger out and mow the grass! :P

Cheers! TBH I think both are cracking rally car chassis. I also tweaked the XV suspension, putting longer shock bottom links on and stiffer oil. I think it works as well as the TT, but has a little less ground clearance, after the mods to both cars. Thing is, the XV has the motor in front of the front wheels, this weight distribution makes it prone to oversteer. The TT is more neutral with the motor in the middle. So a slightly different driving style needed for each car. Both awesome, but the TT is still cheaper! :)

@@MarkBryanRC just to let you know I'm the founder of Paddlesworth rc and we are currently starting a tamiya rally track if you want to check us out on RU-vid or Facebook it would be great if you could come down and check out one of are events as it is a camp site as well pm me on Facebook if interested we do 1/8th rally as well its all about rally 😁

Cheers mate - I'll take a look! I'm near Birmingham, where about is Paddlesworth in the UK - nearest city? :)

@@MarkBryanRC we are almost Dover Kent UK but would love for you to come and get some footage it's early days for the track started the building but weather changed so we are going to put a track on astro where we have shelter basically we only have 150 people max an an event so there is no queue to use tracks we have 1/24 1/35 Indoor crawler course 1/10 out door 3 tracks and a big ramp that I managed to hit at 70+ and jump 233 feet of 🚀😁 so a weekend of rc madness we even had excavators it's a free invite but if your interested join Paddlesworth rc on Facebook and pm me on messenger thanks

Sounds like an awesome setup! I would love to visit, let's see what we can do when all this Covid-19 madness is over! :))

Hi Joseph! Thanks - and you managed to get hold of one? Wow - I did see them come in stock at Time Tunnel Models a few days ago and was amazed to see it for sale! It's a great build, you will really enjoy it. I have a build guide, but I'm sure you won't need it! I'm still running the stock Johnson motor. Like in this video, I enjoy exploiting the great handling and finding the best lines around corners. I wouldn't go too mad, Sport Tuned brushed or 13.5T sensored would be my choice. All the best, have fun! :)

@@MarkBryanRC - I will definitely check out the build guide. Thanks for the input on the motor!!!

@@GigEmBQ92 Anytime, Joseph - cheers! :)

Thanks Basher Boi! Yeah, I really like both chassis, I don't know which to choose as best, they are both great Tamiyas in their own ways! Have a great weekend bud! :-)

Thanks a lot Brent! Yeah, not the most scientific tests, but fun to do anyway! Gotta agree with ya bro - they are both excellent Tamiyas so they both win - after all, it's only fractions of a second and they are both great to drift on the loose stuff! Have a great weekend my friend! :))

I agree - the stock XV01 doesn't have the clearance that the TT02 type-S (modified) has. I think that would be a great fight! :))

Hiya Pete! Yeah, this was just a bit of fun really, we ran the Type-S last time we did a comparison at the track with the XV and Robs TT02 Lancia, it was much faster on a lap than both the Lancias! This time the XV was much closer but only on one of the runs, I think I got lucky! For some reason the Type-S seems to have a lot more punch out of the corners, maybe I got one of the better Torque Tuned motors, they all differ a little bit in performance due to the manufacturing tolerances. Hehe - I thought the stickers on the BMW were funny back in the 90's - it was an old motorcycling joke from one of the popular magazines back then, and they gave away free sticker sheets with "porking" as the theme - basically a pig on a bike! I should probably swap them for the TYPE-S stickers that came with the kit! It's my daughter's 20th today, so a few celebrations and some friends over. Hopefully a bit of RC tomorrow. Enjoy that beer mate - and yes, make that tag video before I hit 60 please!!!! :P

@@MarkBryanRC Enjoy the birthday celebrations mate. So how long have I got till you reach 60. Having seen your youthful appearance I'd imagine there is a good 20 years to go ! 😉

Oooh you sweet-talker! Very kind of you mate, only 4 years to go! She had a lovely day, thanks! Nice weather for it! Enjoy sunny Sunday mate! :)

Hello, Michael! The TT02R is more difficult to turn into a rally car. It is very different to the TT02S, which can easily be turned into a rally monster, due to the better suspension arms (in my opinion). The XV01 is superb out of the box, but costs a lot more money. If money is no object, the XV01 is the way to go! All the best from Mark... :))

@@MarkBryanRC good morning Mark. Thank you so much for your answer. Just what I needed to hear. I really enjoy your videoes and will look forward to built a rally car with help from your videoes 😄👍. Have a wonderful day . Cheers

You are always welcome, Michael! Have fun with your RC cars! Cheers! :))

Hi Gary! No worries mate! The XV01 comes with all the hop ups you need - including metal bearings and oil filled shocks. If you go for the TT02 basic kit, you need to order the metal ball bearings and Mini oil filled shocks as a minimum for a good runner. However, I recommend the TT02 Type-S, which has tons of hop-ups included, bearings, oil shocks, carbon shock towers, upgraded suspension arms and much more! Check out my TT02 Type-S unboxing and you will see what I mean! A standard servo will fit either chassis just fine. Good luck and happy RCing! :))

Hi Mark, thanks for the help. I thought the TT02 type S is road based? I thought the TT02 was for a bit of road. if I am wrong I will look at my options again

Hi again Gary! Yes, the Type-S is road based, but is very easy to convert to rally, at no extra cost! Check out this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-NW2vRh0LlT0.html ...and this one shows how to alter the suspension travel: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6kWMvdDhoiM.html

Hey Carmine! Great to read you brother! Well, the only thing I did to the Type-S was to fit the alloy propshaft (which aint gonna make it faster) and to shave some plastic off the A-arms to give more travel, other than that it IS standard! Yes my friend, we definitely need a new track - it is so rough now, but a good test of how the cars handle the rough! Fingers crossed for ya mate, you deserve a few new RC's!! All the best Mark :-)

That was extremely NICE of you to say Brother!! 😁 Thank you. There's ONLY TWO ways I'm getting ANY new Rig.... I get my Inheritance. Someone buys one for me, or Paypals me the$$$ to get one.... Definitely NOT an enviable position I'm in. 😞 Hey! Got nowhere to go but UP! I remember EVERYONE who had helped me in this Godawful situation... They will ALL be getting something special from me!! I just gotta hang on that long... 😉 Hey, I thought the Turnbuckles were an add on. Were they in the Kit?? I tell you - that TT02-S is one Hell of a good value for money!!! 👍👍 I hope you guys have a GREAT weekend! HEY! Where's ROB'S Friday Video? 😋

Hey mate! Fingers still crossed! Yeah, the turnbuckles come with the kit, as well as CVA shocks, Torque tuned motor, full ball bearings, high torque servo saver, Carbon fibre shock towers, carbon reinforced A arms, stainless steel suspension pivots, alloy spacers - the list goes on! Don't know what's happened to Rob, I haven't heard from him in a while and he's not answering the phone! Hope all is OK! :-/

OOF!!! I HOPE Rob is OK as well. Now I'm worried 😟

Damn Bro!!! That TT02S is WELL equipped!

Great ideas, Bruce! Thanks for the great feedback, it's really useful - I will try to incorporate some of your ideas in future run videos. Definitely not flat out all the time! All the best from Mark. :)

Hi - and thanks for the interesting comments, you have a good point about the motors! As I said in the video and description, we wanted to do a stock test. They were both using Turnigy 3000mAh batteries and have the stock TBLE02 ESC's. We tested the top speed and they are almost identical (on tarmac, anyway!) But I agree the Johnson motor in the XV is a little weak, and the Torque Tuned in the TT feels particularly good, one of the better one's I've tried, certainly feels "punchier" than most! So yeah, an advantage, but that's how they came. Time for an upgraded motor in the XV and a rematch, I think! All the best - cheers! :)

Hello! My Type-S has about 25mm of ground clearance under the bathtub - but I think you could easily get 30mm with some tweaking! Wow, 32 is good for a TT-02! The Type S suspension is so much better than the standard TT02, it's like chalk and cheese! :)

@@MarkBryanRC Thanks for the help! Looking forward to watching your amazing, helpful videos.

Many thanks for the comment, Omar! I hope you are well. I must say I love them both, but try as I did (about 4 more runs off camera each), the Type-S was faster in stock form. The standard road gearing and Torque Tuned motor makes a big difference, I think. So have you tried increasing the Type-S suspension travel and running it on the rough too? Sorry my friend, you need to tell me what FDR means before I can answer your question! :)

@@MarkBryanRC I am well Mark! FDR is final drive ratio: FDR = spur/pinion x internal ratio. You'd need the two cars to be close in FDR, otherwise it's not fair to judge them against each other. ;) If they are too far apart, it would be akin to judging a race car vs a grocery getter.

Ahh - I see said the blind man (me - LOL!!!) Not sure about the ratios, but they are close on top speed when tested on the road, the XV hit 17mph and the Type-S hit 18 mph in stock form. They are still in the same stock form, so pretty close in outright performance, but the stock Torque tuned in the Type-S giving a little extra oomph! So not as different as it may seem! I agree with you that the XV is a better chassis - I just need to swap out that standard silver can and put something it deserves in it's place! :)

I'm measuring 6.5in long x 2.25in wide x .75in deep. Hope that helps

Hello Razif, thanks for the very interesting comment. Yes, the Z3 is more aerodynamic than the Lancia, I can see why the NSX would be good. I agree, the TT02 is a high end killer, such a good chassis. Very cool you have hopped yours up to the max - I bet it is awesome! Best regards from Mark... :)

Couldn't agree more, Thomas! I think this is a HPi body, but it was bought a very long time ago! :)

Yeeeeeeehaaaaa!!!! :D

It's the TT02 Type S Chassis, so very different suspension arms to the standard TT02 kit. More like the XV01 setup, longer arms with stainless steel pivots and C-hub steering - far superior and a great set-up! Check out the Type-S unboxing to see why: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-j6ILQAGym2A.html :)

Totally agree on both points! I've run the Type S such a lot since this video (It now has the Audi A2 WRC body on with all the spotlights wired up) and it's still one of my favourite handling rally cars! :)

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Thank you very much, Jose! I am very pleased you enjoyed the video, regards to you and your family too! :-)

Hi mate - good ain't they? : )

@@MarkBryanRC oh arrr