Tarik & JasonR ARGUMENT DRAMA (*SHORT VERSION*) 

JasonR was immature and dense as hell the entire argument, I cant believe Tarik argued with a wall for an hour and not lose his mind

Jasons whole argument is that he interacts with women irl and he has a wife therefore he cannot be sexist which is hilarious

jasonr is that friend where you call them out for their wrongs and can't accept that. A friend will be there for you but a great friend will be there with you trying to correct your mistakes.

7 years of built friendship, and just one issue just broke that apart. Tarik is not wrong, I’m with Tarik for standing up and saying it’s wrong for Jason to behave as such a way and i think that’s a TRUE friend, pointing out the wrong in you and is not a yes man to everything that a “friend” would do. Honestly it’s all in Jason, i don’t know if he is just purely just denying it in confusion of his action or he’s really trying to manipulate the community of “justified acts”. Heck, it shouldn’t have escalated into this if he just admitted it, given of the evidences of him dodging women in matches

JasonR is only looking at his side and that's the definition of an L friend

rule of thumb: don't be friends with people who expect you to do things for them just cause they're your friend, I've been there, shit never ends well. friendships arent transactional

tarik basically said “im not fixing your mistake”

this concept of a "character witness" doesn't actually matter. the argument of whether or not jason is a sexist person to the core of his character doesn't matter. what matters is he engaged in sexist actions. intentions or reasoning aside, the actions were demonstrably sexist, and that is not a debatable point. that is a fact. and if someone (e.g. tarik) doesn't want to support the person behind the actions, that's a completely reasonable position to take.

This felt like 2018, Tarik taking a MAJOR W

dude a real friend is someone who slaps you back to reality when they believe you've done something wrong. man like i wouldnt want a friend who would back me up just because lol. if i did something wrong and im not even aware, a real friend would care enough to tell you to get your shit together because they want you to grow and be a better person. and thats exactly what tarik is doing wp by him.

tarik really repeated the same thing like 20 times and jasonR was too thickheaded to listen to any of it, this man really tried to gaslight him fifteen times by flipping it to seem like Tarik was the bad guy

Tarik often sounds goofy but it's nice to hear him be mature from time to time

Tarik tried hashing it out at least, not a lot of people would have the patience to talk it out lol. The most he's done is saying he doesn't agree with what Jason been doing, not like he's been talking shit about him. As a friend, you shouldn't be a ride or die like in those friendships you see in movies, disagreements happen and if you expect your friend to fight battles they dont agree with then you're delusional.

JasonR's whole excuse is kinda like the whole "i'm not racist i have a black friend" right after saying something racist.

“I’ve hanged out with girls so I’m not misogynistic!” How old is this guy ?

Jason Q&A: 1. Are you dodging women? No. My game and pc crashes all the time. 2. Are you dodging women? Yes. Out of respect for my relationship. 3. Are you dodging women? No, I've played with women before on unrated and customs. 4. Are you sexist or misogynistic? No. But you chose to be a girl about it. 5. How am I an L friend? You are not defending my character. 6. How am I an L friend? I don't want you to defend me but you should've said I met Jason and he's not sexist or misogynistic. 7. How am I an L friend? You met me and my wife. We are not sexist in our in-person interactions so obviously we can't be sexist/miso ever. 8. How am I an L friend? You're neutral and that's fine. But you can't be neutral because you aren't defending me but I don't want you to defend me.

forcing someone to be on your side? yikes remember, this is also the same person that said "You cant even see" to Wardell, because of his eyes. Wardell said that is racist and he can still take it back, Jason *R* stood his ground. edited quote, but still same energy.

TL:DR jasonR doesn't realize his behavior is clearly sexist behavior and wants tarik to say he is not those thign because he don't act sexist when he hangs out with tarik and his girl, and tarik doesn't seem to have the hearth to just straight up tell him that he in fact is sexist, because that behavior is sexist, you can't be sexist with some girls and not sexist with others.

Tarik is a walking W

Bro, him saying "He plays with multiple women" so he's not sexist sounds a lot like the "I have black friends so I'm not racist argument".

Context: JasonR called Tarik an "L friend" for not helping him when people were giving him death threats and stuff from him dodging girls, and then it evolves to both of them trying to sort this out and giving reasons for their opinions, with Zellsis as a middleman. This is a short version because the full argument was over an hour long

Jason mindset is literally: “Yes Man” = True Friend A Honest Realist Tarik = L Friend

Dude this is devastating to me. I've been watching both of them since they were first friends in CS, making videos in CS together in Rank S and FPL, just having fun and chilling. It was the whole reason I started playing CSGO in the first place- it looked like so much fun to do with my friends too. They were good and funny people. And to watch Jason try and pressure Tarik as his friend to support him is so far removed from what I thought he was. You were wrong, you dodged queues because your teammates were female, that's just WRONG man. Even if you believe you've done nothing wrong why would you try and rope your so-called friend into this? He's your friend! He doesn't owe you anything and you don't owe him anything! Friendship isn't something you take part in to try and get something out of, that's not how it works. You give and you don't expect anything in return, and so do they.

JasonR being an L friend for real... trying to force Tarik to defend him is just weird. Tarik can't defend him when there is literally proof of vods everywhere of him dodging and disconnecting... JasonR personality when meeting Tarik has nothing to do with what JasonR does in his stream cause he kept using that excuse for Tarik to support him. JasonR is the one being an L friend.

Zellsis had the best reactions during this LMFAOOO

If you guys want the full hour long argument, let me know by replying/liking this comment, just don't know if enough people want it yet to post it

Had this shit up on my second monitor live laughing in ranked

"I've played with girls, I've played with my wife and I've played unrated with girls" dude is doing more against himself than he could imagine.

This is literally Tarik arguing with a brick wall, JasonR is just being immature lmao

he's really expecting friend to defend on something controversial. I'm pretty sure jasonr new this would stir up some controversy if he dodge with a girl on his team but he still chose to do it. Now he's expecting his friend to defend him. Thats kinda ridiculous. Maybe jason just wanted comfort from friend to see if he's okay from death threats and stuff but that was the wrong way to approach it imo.

I love the part when zellsis not interrupt them

jason is objectively wrong

poki: "inv me to jumpscare jasonr" 💀💀💀💀

How did Tarik not go insane talking to a brick wall

Summary of the argument is: “I’m not asking you to defend me” “Why didn’t you defend me”

JasonR is low key an L for expecting Tarik to defend his name when he’s being sexist 💀 like I understand joking about it to a certain extent but you shouldn’t try to force your friend to defend your name when you’re doing something wrong.

C'mon, how can tarik defend jason on this one? Like "Oh, I've hung out with jason and he is a good guy"? lmfao.

Thank you for this, I missed the drama and was like wtf happened! LMFAOOOO THE MESSAGE FROM POKI LMAOO

the pokimane and kyedae messages were making me laugh SO HARD

Sexist or not it doesn't take away from the fact that he did those things. It doesn't matter if you're not sexist in real life or in other situations the mere fact that those things happened not only once but on multiple occasions is enough for an apology or smth

jasonR should make a podcast because of his ability to talk for an hour without actually saying anything

why does he keep saying tarik is on a neutral stand when he's clearly saying that he doesn't agree with what he's doing

Idk, in my opinion Tarik is actually a good friend. He’s trying to have Jason acknowledge that they can have opposing opinions, but Jason is being an asshole by forcing him into this “friend” needs to support everything you do concept. That ain’t how the world works. If you just have yes men around you, and not someone to call you out then they ain’t real homies. It can be objective or subjective, if you don’t agree with it don’t force yourself.

I'm glad so many creators and viewers are taking this incident seriously cos it isn't isolated to JasonR's views. This is a systemic problem and it's wasting all of our time and energy when we could just be doing our things.

I like zellsis stance he was a good middle man here

Its not being a "friend" its you being a decent human being knowing what's right and wrong. Its obvious where JasonR stands.

tarik is just living by the rule of if you have nothing nice to say dont say anything at all and jason thinks he should have nothing but nice words to say

this is really interesting their definition of friendship is different. we shouldn't talk about which is right or wrong because hearing Jason's situation probably comes with a lot of stress I just hope they work it out thou.

everybody who uses the word "cancel culture" in an unironic way automatically loses all credibility. holding people accountable for their actions isnt cancelling anything

Jason: it’s your job to defend me as my friend Jason literally one second later: it’s not about you defending me Man this is hard to watch. Tarik being dead logical and to the point and for what

Bro I fr couldn’t take Zellsis’ point seriously after seeing Poki’s PM 💀💀

8:34 lmao the frustration of tarik when jasonr still didn't understand that he's not neutral about it, that he has a stance on it and is against it

right after tarik said "if u dont want to be seen as this guy, stop doing things that makes u seem like that" jasonr said "lets move on, this conversation went nowhere". bro still thinks what he doing isnt sexist and that he is right

honestly its kinda sad to see this friend ship get torn apart. everyone is like hating on jason or whatever but u gotta realize the position of them both

the whole avengers coming up in his whispers and stream chat is amazing

tbr if you go back and watch the vods of rank s and the old csgo days you can clearly see most cs pros acting this way and in other ways. many csgo pros have changed their tune since then but its kind of crazy how its just 1 dude at this point being called out.

“it’s not what you are underneath, it’s what you do that defines you.”

JR : " Why are you taking up a neutral stance about this matter? You know me and my wife and you knw I dont do that kind of shit so why don't you tell the people." Also JR : "I don't need you to defend me.. This isn't about defending me" Bro this guy is an absolute clown

not kyedae and poki messaging tarik for duoing w jason XD

This just makes Jason look even more like a clown 🤡. Tarik is being really chill and civil about this holy fuck I was getting pissed when Jason just kept repeating the same terrible arguments without seeing Tarik’s point. Why should your friend support something he doesn’t want to support? If my friend supported something indirectly racist why should I stand up for him? My friend shouldn’t be putting me in a position that would compromise my values.

9:29 "All good" -Yay, member of Optic Esports

jason really is a child ngl

BRO JASONR IS SO CRINGE OMG

i feel what jason feel but i agree with tarik opinion tbh, being a "friend" doesn't mean you have to agree with anything your friend said

I never thought I’d hear Zellsis this level headed

came here from twitter bc i missed what happened lol

the part where tarik is being the most W friend ever is when even after he argued with jason, he still doesnt want his chat to go out of their way to bring jason down. bcz thats honestly what a real 7 year-w friend would do.

I'm not gonna go out and search for these VODs cos there aren't any 😂

8:25 when he said "I guess I'm just old school man", I thought he was gonna follow up with like "women don't belong on games bro"

I think Jason wanted Tarik to say that Tarik does not think that Jason is a sexist in real-life, but he does not agree with the shit he do in game. What Jason do in game is compltetly not accpetable and he does not support it, and Jason should change it. But from what Tarik saw in real-life from hanging out with Jason, he can say that Jason is not a sexist and a women hater in real-life from his perspective.

The Score Esports will for sure post a video on this drama by this week for sure.

The funniest thing about all of this is it’s just going to make Tarik’s view count even higher. Goddamn Qt was tweeting about this, all it did was raise the Content King’s profile on Twitch.

I love how everyone pulled up in valorant chat LOL

jasonr just changing reasons everytime the qn is asked again. I also think tarik is pointing out what he had done rlly wrong as being a true friend.

friendship is about not defending your friends on absolute everything, if your homie is wrong you tell him and we stay cool about it

thanks for uploading

JasonR is saying "you're not understanding me" when there is nothing to understand. Tarik has done everything in his power to avoid attacking Jason and he just continued to gaslight him.

Little does he know jason is actually the L friend

Damn it's a wrong time that my internet cut off. I missed this stream.

The problem is that jasonR def feels emotionally hurt cuz his friend didn’t back him up, but like once time comes he will realize that Tarik was probably the nicer people around him

Jason thinks friendship is when your friend agrees with you blindly. This is not a gang where you have to defend people regardless. Character witness or not, JasonR has proven again that he has sexist tendencies. His chat is also incredibly toxic with actual cancerous mods. If people don’t like you, they don’t support you.

Jason's logic is so fucked Imagine you kill a person and then try to defend yourself saying that you've never done it before and try to make your friends support you.. insane🤣🤣

the way Zellsis entered the convo had my dying bro

Back then, they're arguing for fun but is it a real drama now?

Tarik is honestly so much more emotionally mature than jason

you missed the part where Jason told Tarik he was being "a girl about it" still not sexist or misogynistic btw /s

Zellsis giving “my parents are fighting” vibes lmao

Below is just my interpretation of the short version of this argument and some of my thoughts. tldr; JasonR explains why Tarik is an L friend, while Tarik explains he cannot condone the actions of JasonR in Valorant. Tarik is JasonR's friend, having also met JasonR and his wife in person, assumed that Tarik would defend him. JasonR calls Tarik an L friend because he didn't take his side during this whole debacle, whereas Tarik stands firm that he does not condone the actions of: muting female gamers, queue dodging females, and overall subtle misogynistic behaviours. JasonR for the most part doesn't like the fact that Tarik isn't helping him at all even though he was his friend, since he exclaims that Tarik should know that he isn't misogynistic in real life. If this is starting to get repetitive, then yes, you are correct in thinking that way, since this is the core part of the argument that JasonR repeatedly regurgitates. On Tarik's side of things, he believes that he is still a friend to JasonR, but just can't defend what has already be seen by the public. From the argument, the key points are established, and just comes down to what ideologies they have and how they conflict. JasonR has said that because he's married he can't be a misogynist, and wouldn't do anything misogynistic...(but clips and other anecdotal evidences say otherwise). This kind of seems like an "I have a black friend therefore I can't be a racist" argument, which does not really make for a strong arguement. JasonR extends this to Tarik as his pillar to support that his IRL image is not misogynistic. Tarik has seen the evidence of JasonR's behaviour against women in Valorant and "does not support those actions in any way shape or form". Seems simple, misogyny is bad. Tarik openly states that he did not slander JasonR's name or his character, but rather just the actions that were done. Tarik seems to just wants JasonR to apologize for whatever he's done and move on with a better mental (but obviously this would mean the JasonR would have to admit wrongdoing). The arguement kind of devolves into what it means to be a friend. In many cases, friendships are formed through mutual likes and are strengthened through resolving conflict between themselves, meaning friends are those who understand or try to understand each other. There can always be a difference in opinions among friends, but it becomes more challenging when the difference in opinions are on moral stances. It seems that Tarik's and JasonR's understanding of friendship differs. JasonR has said that he would back Tarik up no matter what if he was caught in the same situation, a decision motivated by feelings and emotions. Tarik on the other hand wants to defuse the tension by specifically indicating that he is not fine with misogynistic behaviour that had been displayed, a decision of moral high ground. We can see that Tarik is more logical and is trying to be understanding to JasonR, but JasonR seems to disregard this and continues to pelt Tarik on why he should have defended him as his friend. P.S: I have not watched the full version of the arguement in its entirety, and these are just my opinions. There may be some things in the full version that may not be indicated here since these are what I have seen in the short version. I hope that there will be a conclusion soon, as more exposure of JasonR continues the more people who will leave valorant because of the growing toxic environment that is not being monitored. Instead of taking concrete sides, its better for the community to collectively rule out misogynistic behaviours, though it may not always work out, I hope that the valorant community continues to grow. Me: War is bad! You hear me, Putin! (Not going to blame Russian people, but the Russian government and oligarches)

lmfao Zellisis getting all the tea

This argument feels illegal to watch, why tf did they do it on stream??

Thank you for the short version, btw can anyone who watched the full thing confirm that nothing of importance was missed in this video?

Seeing this argument as it went on making me mad, but hey at least there's all the whisper and zellsis pov which is keeping me in the argument

Jason is such a walking L, the fact that he wants to influence so much in his "friends" opinion says it all, Imagine being an L friend because you are not okay with his actions lmfao but boi oh boi if you have a different opinion on his chat, he will instantly ban u unless you gift him 10 subs

kyaede and Pokimane whispering tarik LOL

Was this in the recent VOD?

was casually just watching his subs go up the whole time

Props to Tarik for wrapping it up by saying that they BOTH went in circles…I know it went on for a lot longer but I would be getting a lot more riled up than him…

Lets pretend Tarik wasnt at the viewership he has now... Would Jason be complaining about an L friend??? or is all he cares about is the "public" not knowing. Sounds like manipulation to me sorry Jason lol. He should of just waited to let this blow over but nope

It wouldn't be a meme if the public didn't think it was true, so Jason needs to prove that wrong if he wants everyone to get off his back about it. He can quickly stop everything by just not doing what he's accused of.

Twitch chat trying to make Zellsis plug his twitter during this