"Tartini Tones" BEATBoX SAX Tutorials - 

im trying to do this on clarinet, but i cant make figure out how to sing while playing. do you have any advice?

Noah S It is the back pressure on the reed, no doubt on that. the voice could never be loud enough to interfere over the saxophone's sound. But the two effect are linked as it is the same mathematical wave interaction, and so the same frequency relation.

yes you can do this on the piano - Leonard Bernstein demonstrates this by silently holding a Perfect Fifth and striking the Fundamental tone below (or vice versa) and the overtone rings out.

would you be able to see the subharmonic note on a spectrogram, or only its overtones? Like, is this just a psychological thing or are these tones actually being produced by the instrument?

Nah. If you take the the audio track from this video and isolate the perceived fundamental you will not hear it.

Nope combination tones are a very real thing, check out Sideways's video called "Invoking the Voice of God", he explains them really well. The gist is that perfect fifths create the illusion of a major 3rd above and an octave below

i know about combination tones, and yeah, that video is really good, but i'm still sceptical that this is that, rather than acoustic phenomena.

I record it, and put into low-pass filler to cut out the real sound of sax, lower sound still there.

It's essentially a high frequency verision of the beat you get from two close frequencies. The freguency of the low note is the difference between the frequencies of the played and sung notes. The beat is so fast here that you hear it as a pitch.

Haha. Though definitely try it with the low Bb, like Colin Stetson does. (See comments below)

Will definitely give it a try thank you!

Hey Jared! When you say you do multiphonics on trombone, are you talking about singing and playing simultaneously? The trombonist in the German trio "Three Fall" does a lot of this (almost the entire time he plays). Sometimes the Tartini tones are more apparent, and sometimes their not. I think he usually sings an octave plus a third above the note he's playing, which theoretically should bring out the tone 2 octaves below the lowest note. But it all depends on how well the two tones (the trombone tone and the voice) blend. Good luck!

Beatbox Sax Thank you! This is just the type of thing I was looking for. That group is killer!

I use subtone a lot in my various playing styles, so this is definitely a good skill to get down. However it can take a long time (like so many of these techniques) to get the proper feel and embouchure strength. I'll probably do a tutorial someday on subtones, but basically it comes down to bringing your jaw way back on the reed while using extra support from the diaphragm (my abs usually get pretty firm while doing this!). Also, while dropping your jaw, the muscles around your mouth must remain firmly in place. I've also heard other people mentioning to take less of the mouthpiece into your mouth, although I think more about sliding my lower jaw back instead. And seriously I only learned to subtone below a low C on my tenor within the last couple of years (and I've been playing for almost 20!). Good luck!

Yeah, he's definitely carved out his own niche. He uses this technique in a BIG way on his tune To See More Light. Halfway through when he nails the extreme low note, he's still playing an alto (low Bbs) while humming Fs. There may be a little bit of help from the recording as it sounds SO big, but very cool nonetheless.

Thanks, I'll give that track another listen. He's certainly proved me wrong about several things I thought would be impossible on saxophone.

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Markus Sæther video?

Did Adam Neely mention this video?

got me. LOL

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+Jonatan Becerra Yes, this is what I use. I play a Concert B (Tenor C#) and hum a Concert F# (Tenor G#).

Have you done it yet

I had the same issue at first. Make sure you are making the sound out of your MOUTH, not your nose as you would when you hum (so you are quite literally singing rather than humming). Also, you might have to do this really loudly at first. It's a lot harder to sing into the saxophone if you are doing it quietly.

Yubetcha not singing the right notes

Yes

Thanks so much!

Thanks so much!

Wrench Breaker if you mean the same note as he is doing it's played as Playing G on your alto and singing the D above it. To find a perfect 5th just count to five starting from the note you start on going up. Ex. 1st G, 2nd A, 3rd B, 4th C, and perfect 5th D

no i thought there would be a different interval because its a smaller sax

Wrench Breaker ohhhhhhhhhhhh I'm sorry then. If you haven't found out since you asked a month ago, it is the same interval. Happy playing! :D

its fine! :)

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+thehumanswissarmyknife It definitely takes some ear training and some music theory knowledge. If you know what the interval of a perfect 5th is (such as a C and a G above), you can play the bottom one and sing the uppper one. If that's tough to do, play the upper note, then hum that outloud while then playing the lower note. If you don't know your intervals, just google something like, "music theory intervals." Good luck!

+Beatbox Sax thank you so much I would also like to say that you are the best saxaphonests I've ever herd!

Bb Tenor tartini tone is equivalent to an low f on bari

Your voice would have to be very deep

Tried it on bari and it just overtones the fingered note

arifreeman it's similar but I think it's actually something different. Adam Neely has a video called 'the third sound' that goes into depth on both

I've looked into both and I think the fifth interval really does generate a difference tone an octave below the root, whereas Adam Neely was talking about sounds generated by the human ear itself. Adam's examples had a really different effect. They sound like they are coming from your ear, and they aren't represented on recordings. Whereas difference tones are. They can be EQ'd and measured. Difference tones are a big part of synthesis too.

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