the 1210 and tri-stereo chorus were the units .....man, nothing gets the 80's better than these two. thanks for loving on chorus. its neglected these days
The hardware has more mids, the software is mid-scooped, otherwise is pretty much same sound. The 1210 hardware is also used by Phil Collen in his live rig, so it's part of the Def Leppard sound, too!
That’s the sound!!!! That’s that glistening ‘80’s chorus sound that sounded like it sat on top of your sound that always make me say “Why does no chorus unit or pedal I’ve ever used sound like that?” 😆
Man, I had both of these in my 20 space rack back in the 80s. I hate that I sold them. But now I’ve got the TC 2290 DT which is a great piece of gear (plugin and hardware). Great channel. Love your content. Cheers from Texas 🙏
1210 is rack hall of fame gear. My friend Mark who I went to high school with here in Hawaii is an incredible player and loves his Shabbat. Lovely demo my man!
The Yamaha Magic Stomp with the Holdsworth patches has some incredibly good 80s rack style chorus/modulation as programmed and used by the master himself. You can get a good condition used for one for about 150$.
Hands down the best Chorus/Flanger/Doubler ever built. Love mine to death, I sooo hope someone finally does a clone of the Twelve Ten, or TC reissues it at some time.
That neck though. This chorus is incredibly subtle, at least in the first isolated clip. It's clearly there yet it's kinda in the space around the sound. Hence the name "spatial expander"? What I got kinda curious about is how exciting sounds can you conjure if you use the sides having a different sound in each. For the plugin, it seems like your analog unit has more of the direct guitar in it and has some of that lwo mid oomph left that's absent in the plugin. It's not even a subtle difference, like different versions of the same original idea, not just a small revision or parts tolerances. Yet the price difference is so huge it's hard to say the original is worth that oomph if you just want that chorus gene in your tone. But obviously if it has to be THE TC1210 sound, I feel like the plugin will leave you wanting.
Yeah…I’m starting to wonder if my hardware is loosing some of its chorus umph do to aging parts. 🤔🤔🤔🤔 There’s a benefit of a plug-in. No repair costs!!!!
He had it in his Hold Your Fire tour rig (and all of his rigs since) so I'm pretty sure. Most likely in conjunction with a Dimension D, which was another favorite of his.
Damn.. That chorus is golden, Mike.. This is mindblowin' lush! No wonder this was a Luke-go to... When you don't dare to bring a Dytronics Cs-5 abroad... THIS is the shit... THIS is an analog chorus. Somebody tell Shiva/RedSeven...
Mayyyyybe someday TC make this in a pedal...? THAT would be awesome.. But probably not, because analog stuff require space... It would be a big pedal on a board.. It's hard to find a great analog stereo-chorus in pedalformat.. TC's Corona Chorus is joke compared to their 1210...
I love that we continue to get plugins like this. So convenient. But the hardware sounds noticeably more "expensive" and like an album. It's just a different, more polished and bigger sound. But you pay for it.
Yes! I waited years to buy a hardware version. I have friends that have been waiting as well. They just aren’t even avail to buy! The plug-in is a great alternative
@@BigHairyGuitars You're so right. I have a buddy I've been trying to pry one away from but alas...lol. BTW, love your Rockman XPR demos as well. Talk about unobtainium and cost!
Sounds great. I've been rocking a mini bicomp for close to 15 years. I know there are a ton of great compressors out there, but man I just never feel like I need another one. That was a great buy.
Plugin has a massive mid hump compared to the hardware for some reason? Love this kinda sound though! And Time Stands Still is a tune! Eric Johnson has a great TC Chorus as well. I've always stuck with BOSS Chorus' though for whatever reason
Michael, I finally got a 1210 for my rack. I really love it. Surprisingly to me, it seems to go into the red on the input sensitivity very easily when fed with a line level signal. I’m loading my amp down with a Suhr Reactive Load, sending the line out to my mixer (Redseven MSLM), which has the 1210 in a series loop, then out to power amp/cabinets. All my other fx seem to handle the signal easily and can be adjusted to optimal levels, but the 1210 goes right up into the red even with the input sensitivity on 0 and using balanced cables, ins/outs, etc. Any thoughts on this? How was yours set up in the video? I see you can push the sensitivity up high and still have the LEDs in the green.
Damn What a sound!! this sound like Luke his '90 rack.. I know he used this in his live in Paris (ToTo) rack..What A combination!!! Thx for the review !!!
In that very last clip when toggling between hardware and software there's a significant drop in thickness and some mids when switching to the plugin. Would it be possible to EQ those frequencies back in to get em closer? Maybe even indistinguishable? If so, I'm getting those plugins haha.
Like maybe use an excerpt of the hardware track to trigger a plugin like the Eventide Equivocate (use it all the time and love it) on the plugin track to EQ match em. That could be an interesting follow up vid to this one. On a different topic, you're a really, really great guitar player. Wondering if there's a band/bands you've been in I may have heard of? Or have you always just been a studio guy?
Finally you got around to showing the world your favorit piece of gear! Sounds are amazing and tasty playing as slways! Just got my hands on one of these (1210). When is your next coffee and questions episode? I would pitch in how you use the 1210 as both sides have their own independent stereo (!) chorus. Do you use one side mono in, stereo (with Y-cable) on Output 1 or both sides mono in and stereo out using output 1 and output 2? Going nuts would be going in mono and out double stereo, wouldn‘t it? Keep em coming!
Just a curious question about how you have the 1210 routed to the 2290 , with the effects on the 2290 loop , or into a mixer , Sound is amazing , Thanks for all your work on your channel , tons of great info ,
Thanks. In this case, each FX unit is separately connected to its own I/o in my interface. The processing is done in the DAW, similar to how it would have been done on a mixing console.
Woww, love your playing and reviews man. The hardware always lacks that 10% that creates a fatter tone, with a thicker low end and more body. I guess the secret sauce it’s always hidden in the preamps, but coupling this plugin with another brand’s preamp emulation or even a preamp pedal I’m sure can get you much closer. I always combine pedals with plugins. The plugin alone sounds crazy good anyway.
Interesting. It's Learning to Fly from Floyd, but Rough Boy came out 2-3 years before that album, and definitely has that space solo vibe. Thanks for the comment.
Thanks. Check with one of the guys (Andrew or Charles) in the video description of this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bkYknrNEZiI.html
Oh damn that hardware unit in the bees knees. Me wants one but at over 2K it a little bit OP this desktop unit though is right in my ballpark with a little EQ it might be dead ringer for big brother!!! Please do a review on 2290 pronto, I need to hear how this sounds as well, again the original at 3K is *well* out of my league.
Gonna say this about the 1210 plug in. Good enough for the girls I dance with! Sweet I get my 1210 fix! They are apparently coming out with a 2290 in pedal form too!
In researching this hardware unit, they referenced The TC Electronic Stereo Chorus + Pitch Modulator & Flanger pedal. Since the 1210 hardware is now unobtanium, will the Eventide Eclipse replace this?
Great video. Does the 1210 go before or after the 2290 delay? I suppose the chorus needs to go before the delay? But how would one get a true stereo image with the 2290 mono in? Thanks so much.
if you have just these 2 boxes, yeah, you'd probably put the 1210 after the 2290. But people often used to pair the 2290 with a Lexicon PCM70, so the 2290 can do switch duties. The 2290 can do chorus, or delay PCM70 Reverb. OR the 2290 can do long delay and the PCM70 chorus. In larger rack systems, there would be a parallel mixer so all of the FX gets blended back together at the end, so all of the mono and stereo FX come together and go out in one big blend.
The 1210 is being applied in-the-mix. I did this so that I could apply the hardware and software to the same performance. I have another video that I'm working on that will also have the 1210 between the preamp and power amp before the cab.
@@BigHairyGuitars can you please also do an A/B of the unit set the same but one being in pre/power loop and another being outboard fx as you have it now. In general, it’s hard to find info on how the two differ. Not sure how actual records were even back in the day. Yes session dudes had their rack rigs (most useful for live but not necessarily studio) but who knows how they actually cut the records in top notch studios. Therefore it’s not fully known which is the best way to do it. With irs for instance one would need two load boxes for each power amp too so there’s that factor as well. Or just two cabs (but who uses actual cabs these days lol)
I'm looking for an effects unit with analog dry thru. Do you have any suggestions? One unit for live playing would be awesome. I know the Rocktron Intelli is.... trying to get rid of a huge pedal board. Thanks again!
@@lukather1 OH Sorry. I should have caught that. It's early still. ha. The DT version is the closest that you can get without the real thing. I can't find anything else that get's in the ballpark. Maybe a Dim D for the chorus, but it doesn't do the spacial stuff. The plugin is close, it just doesn't have the extra analog heft. But, the plugin is a little more lush as a chorus.
Michael, you mentioned that in the future you would do a video on compressors. Do you have any multiband compressors in pedal format you could include in that video?
I do have a vid on compressors coming. I don't know of any multi band compressors for guitar. I'm not generally fond of multi-band on guitar. Do you know of any good ones?
@@BigHairyGuitars I know of the TC Electronic HyperGravity which can do multiband through the toneprint app. I'm aware of RT ElecTRonix Multiband Compressor, but I've never seen or heard one that I'm aware of. Boss makes the CP-1X which they call a multiband compressor, but I've never used it and don't quite see how to control multiple compression zones with it. Hence why I was asking for your input. :)
I’m as nostalgic about 80’s rack gear as the next guy…but most of this stuff was a pain in the ass back then,and even more now….it’s noisy,it’s finicky…I can get as good or better sounds with modern gear than with the vintage rack stuff….I get it though…I really do…I still have several pieces of my 80’s rack stuff..It’s cool to look back and remember when this stuff was cutting edge technology….
Do you think? In my head, he's a 100% prominent 2290 guy, but the 1210 seems to have only appeared from time to time in his rack. I could be wrong though.
It would be fun to compare the Klark Technik BBD-320, a Dimension D workalike that is dirt cheap and has similarities to some 1210 modes of operation. I also am looking forward to you going further down the 80s cleantone rabbit hole. Active single coils and for Time Stand Still I’m pretty sure it’s a JC-120.