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I swear ... I had to replay that because o was shocked

It's more common than you think. For every successful idol, there must be 100 who didn't make it, for one reason or another. It's brutal, and unfair.

Maybe being an idol was not meant for her

If I were her I would have left after like 2-3 years lol

well that's the k-pop industry.

yeah especially after the Harvey Weinstein scandal I don't trust Hollywood anymore and I feel that case was just the edge of the iceberg

@@emi-ts1ko Well I can't hold it against Hollywood cuz there's still plenty of good people there, especially the people he took advantage of, and they're probably in the majority anyways. I just say keep the high art and good folks, but feel free to weed out the bad same as with anything.

@@emi-ts1ko yup there is so much more pls explore it way worst what they do to artist it’s sad

Lol, same.😂😂

Its really sad and its even sadder when you know that some people think its common :// people who don't live that are lucky. But hopefully it's true that it's not everyone who are like this. Some are good, I wish them all the best

this comment !!!!!!

I mean it's prevalent in most entertainment fields as well but yea is mostly the consumer faults tho we can't really know what's going behind close doors so it is better to just watch the play going outside and don't get too invested into STANNING per say

As much as I know how fked up hollywood and NFL is, I don't think I'll ever stop watching either of em, but yea u make a good point, if everybody gets together and stop consuming it all in one day, kpop or otherwise, they'd have to make some changes, cause we're the ones who's paying their bills... but what are the odds of the actually happening though, wouldn't hold my breath tbh

@@cantersboone3911 there has been changes gradually The earlier Kpop system was even more harsher and nasty but now the companies know many eyes are on them especially INTERNATIONAL FANS are quick to act and mail the shit out of the companies We as consumers still can't change the whole landscape yet but we can still impact little by little

@@Sivzram yes that’s what I was thinking. We should start to demand more from the company and less from the idols

hoping it will get better🤞🏻

If they just wanted basically some unreliable ....untalented or having no expectations the industry won't have survive 10 years also look well thx to some bad sides u might think unfair They wt have discovered such good artists with great personality ...I think many many think u need only to dance and be a beauty but how many are prof dancers and being idols are a complete diff level...u have to be an entertainer. ..model ..prob acting like pros too ...they keep pple to match 2gether for their futur role play in a band ...Look at Girls's generation .....they are recognized ....and it proves that its not by chance they chose pple...Then S.Korea has a long History and into a modern society....they are still pushing pple to have unrealistic matching or goals

@@han660namun8 i know, I have been a kpop fan for more then 10 years so I know and heard a lot more then I mentioned. It's just that I worry as artists and idols are also human.

@@MitsukiMimichoe its wht the public , fashion agencies ... ".new world " ....youth are expecting ...tell yourself that Fans need pretty faces , good shaped and cute singers .. to buy albums stickers or collabs products....and look at your photoshoot ...and so on so there's a few portion of trainees that can suit all those infinite options ....Being an idol isn't interesting at all for me ....You don't need to be such to make a living working rather with composers , small labels , ceo 's being more creative but i admit that some pple were made for that life and enrollment ....The judges felt it....it's because being a fan still works , pple are demanding all that things that agencies are strict and tough...I think IU and newbies are good but what I don't like about is that youngters are taking them as models and having a lot frustration ...Then by last ....There's nothing wrong with those idols , artists to pretty themselves ....it comes with ...I think it enhance their personality and inner self as well. It's really inspiring having idols that have taste and a good sense of beauty and modesty ...I like the fashion and i think everyone likes sweet pretty faces ...it usually comes with a good character in their case. S korean have a good sense of fashion and even women dress with elegance

i’m so worried about younger idols like enhypen

Smart and beautiful too.

if she had debut then, I have a sneaking suspicion that she would be 2nd gen's most eloquent speaker

Yesss

if im not mistaken she went to prestigious school in korea

Too smart for her own good. Its sometimes better to be dumb as a female.

i agree! ◡̈

Aww thank you😆

Samee

same! she's extremely well-spoken and good at explaining :)

I agree, i like her personality ☺

yeahh same i thought she really looks like her, Nayeon and Lia 😂

oh myy, trueeee !!! 🥺💗

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to me she looks like wjsn’s Exy

@@yupitsme7574 I was about to say Exy too!

look at your likes

Damn I commented this forever ago, didn’t realize it amounted to this much 😲

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@@cozykiinss Congrats you deserve those likes

Obviously since she's taking up tons of acting classes

🥺🥺🥺

Same

Being a lawyer is a waste of time especially for a woman. The job requires you to basically function as a man. She should get her degree, etc and find a rich guy. No one is more cold, calculating, and manly than a seasoned female lawyer. Look at her vibrant feminity disappear after 10 years being a lawyer. I rarely see happy female lawyers who are not divorced/unmarried.

exactly

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i mean i agree, but then that might discourage them and they might have really had a chance and could have made it. They could have been the next Jennie Kim, but after they watched this video they said nope. I think you have to try the things you want to do for yourself, you can’t always count on others’ experiences to guide you

@@user-vt3ce3my5l ?

@🙂Happy Feeling🙃 if u ever debut i’ll be the first to stan

JYP did them dirty tbh

I guarantee if she had the idol image and personality they would have debuted her in a group. I’m glad she’s doing her thing now solo, jype didn’t help her at all.

@@Thesilentvoice... in a way I'm kinda glad she didn't stay... if she had more success they mightve turned her into a robot in a way. Now that's she's on her own she can be herself and do the music she wants and she is a queen shining every day

Just please refer to her as Jamie, she said that is her artist name and prefer being called Jamie

@@Error-ko6pp Jimin is her real name. Its okay to call her with the name which we've known for years and which is literally her birth name lol. She wants to be called jamie because there are many popular jimins in the industry now (even though she should've been the first one)

Interesting you should say that. She's auditioned for quite a few musical theatre roles.

Yeah those comments never sit right with me. I've seen so many boy group fans shame girl group members for "sleeping their way to the top"... like??? is sexual abuse funny to you??? It's sad

why do i get the feeling its April..

@@vacationbonerschool There was a comment someone made that was along the lines of "Why are we shaming women for "sleeping their way to the top"" when we should be shaming men for "withholding a promotion until their get sexual favors" and I think about that a lot.

@@vacationbonerschool "sexual abuse funny to you???" It's only 'abuse' when you're forced to do something or experienced something against your will. Girls who voluntarily slept with a CEO to get ahead have no right to scream 'abuse'.

@@_kags_ Wow. That really is a powerful statement, I agree 100000% that the double standards are awful. It's rooted in the patriarchy.

what you on about she is definitely top tier looking that tells us something doesn't it?

@@juunataku I think they mean she doesn't fit the Korean beauty standards or their beauty standards the companies screw beauty standards its all just for marketing this is why screw the kpop industry seriously they make so much people work so hard just not to make it?

Yeh! Some of them didn't even knew how to speak Korean when they debut

please don't blame idols who have good looks, blame those company

@@junkyupedia7348 It is the company who gives them chance...so yeah it is the company..

I heard Olivia Hye trained for ONE DAY!! (Loona)

@@pay9011 I heard that she also trained longer before going to bbc

@@illuminari3466 yeah. There's no way training for one day can yield that much talent. But I think it still indicates she's very talented. It's also an impressive factoid. 😄

The people who trained for little amounts of time have probably already been singing or dancing before joining the company.

@@Lizardlarry2000 Yeah, there are idols who had to learn by themselves during a long time.

Johnny trained for 8-9 years but not straight 8-9 years. He would only train in Korea during summer vacations and go back to US after. So approximately its 4-5 years of training which is an average training years of most kpop idols.

@@tealotter5620 actually, if he only trained for 3 months every year, then technically he only trained for 27 months which is like 2 years and 3 months Edit: I calculated the number of years/months wrong🤡

@@jessicayiting4217 which would explain why he wasn’t in the lineup since the other boys who trained year round probably improved faster form practicing more

he trained to debut in exo !!

rightt :/ so glad. i’m so glad he’s living his dreams

True 💚💚

@No ThisIsPatrick yeah I am so happy they left jype and got7 are still together 🥰🥰

yeah I'm glad they're doing better now!!

They are now better than ever

@Khushali Joshi i am also curious

Yg🤢🤢🤢

I understand this feeling... I got terrified at first ...But she fell in love for him too, and she still married and happy with him, have 2 cute kids. And her brother a famous idol from 1st generation, is pretty closer to him and who adores his kids and he is in YG with their group sechs kies. I saw her in an interview and she looked so fine, she kept smiling...don’t know.. we don’t know their story, but they are living happily all this years.

@@makijacki1586 there's this thing...called grooming...might have heard of it?

@@user-vt3ce3my5l To be fair.. we really don't know. Nor do we have any right to declare something to be one when we really don't know what's going on. By this logic, you could really call anyone that is dating someone *particularly* younger than them to be a groomer. So, yes, in the way this was shown in the light, it's disgusting, immoral, but we can't really have a debate or whatever unless there are hard facts. However, I personally don't mind as long as they're both consenting adults.

@@makijacki1586 the issue is, he admitted his interest when she was still just a child and literally failed a group so he could pursue her. If she was a consenting adult the whole time and he didn't ruin other's careers, it would be a different story.

O wow, literally same

Sad

I understand you. When I was a member of a dance crew, the “leader” most of the times during rehearsals was pretty rude with us, shouting using bad words to us just because he was mad. He even treat me like If I was trash, he was a complete nightmare and after I quit he never apologized to me or even the other guys and girls that supposedly were his best friends.

That's a sign of a really good empathetic person. Good for you!

same, even tho you aren't being mistreated you feel like the bad person

can i get to know you?

Huh I’ve never seen videos like those

@@shhd2105 there are a lot of “JYP is the worst boss and human being ever” videos or thumbnails that take out of context pictures of idols crying to make it look like they suffer on a daily basis.

@@trodat07 oh I don’t really watch kpop commentary channels if they have the google voice and don’t show their face maybe that’s why I never say that.

@@Anna-hi3zp i mean you really can’t pin-point a certain company but yes the probability of that happening is very very high

Us fans are also the reason why kpop is getting so harsh. The more we demand, the more we make the companies push the trainees until they just can’t. We are also the reason why some trained longer and didn’t debut, and others debuted even with a short training time. Obviously, not ALL fans are like that. But because if most fans who are demanding more and more, we make the companies be really harsh to the trainees.

Yess, same with (G)I-DLE!

Even them should go through approval of their music from higher ups before releasing it so i believe there are so many songs that they might want to release but they aren't allowed

There are actually more idols who can produce their own songs, but in the end, the final say isn’t on them.

Also Seventeen!!!!

@@WHAT-pv8pt yes, got7 is the proff of it They produce their own songs, but jyp didnt like them, so most of the times he changed the songs multiple times

Yeah.. I came here and was happier that they left.

I don't think this is the right thing to say here. not saying them leaving jype isn't worth celebrating but leaving the industry and a company are two very different things. I'm a got7 stan too and I consider them lucky for being able to debut in that company. if those from big companies get mistreated, imagine those who came from companies that are not visible to the public. it's unimaginable what they are asked to do (I hope this doesn't offend anyone, I am in no way attacking)

@@crystallymoon yep, they are still in better position than the others. Whatever happened in the past, as long as the company adheres to their contractual obligation, then it's all good. Remember that when the members signed the contract (or their guardian) they are aware to all of it, but they still pursue this career.

They didn't even wanted to leave tho, they were gonna sign again but it was jype who said 'we don't want you all' so they decided to leave as a whole, they also sadly left at a really bad time cause they are gonna start enlisting m. Let's hope team Wang manages got7 brand after this.

@@yellowmesh7821 that was a mistranslation. a few of the members were willing to renew their contracts but with the condition of all 7 of them renew. since not everyone want to renew, got7 decided to leave as a whole. for group management, I'm sure they'll figure it out with time. all of them are doing well with their solo stuff now

SM gets 300,000 applications a year and they have a 2-3 dozen trainees. Of those, few will debut.

similar odds to winning a lottery.

I think she meant a decade and half a year but still that's mad

@@kc2513 actually if you go to her video where she talks about her story, she clarifies that it's 15 years. So it's not 10 and a half years.

She was supposed to debut with wonder girls but she rejected the offer.

@@chekkyjeanfortich9271 well then I guess it’s her fault

it is because she is not good enough to debut and hearing her covers, I can say companies know she does not have the it factor

Thissssss

thank you 🥺❤️

Gina is 34 I think ? Coco calls her Unnie, which means she's older than her, so in her thirties.

hoping the same 🙏🏻 thanks for watching ◡̈

Thanks to bighit it starts to shift

@@meLisa-gp6lo I am not sure about that.

@@alliahrose2878 why? what happened?

@@kairabanzon3928 I'm not an army, so obviously I don't know much, but there are some videos on here analyzing BTS's interactions with their managers which suggest that they're being abused. Don't quote me on that, I'm not an expert, I'm just making a suggestion. On a semi-related-but-not-really note, one company that I do believe is shifting the k-pop industry in a better direction is Starship Entertainment. They let their idols speak freely about subjects which are controversial in Korea (LGBTQ, BLM, gender roles, the age hierarchy, etc), there's no suggestion of abuse towards their idols, and hell after Wonho left Monsta X they created a sub-company so they could continue to represent him as a solo artist (Wonho used the money from being a k-pop idol to support his family, so they literally made a new company so he didn't have to lose that 😭) Fun Fact (I just think it's adorable and I need to share): Taeyoung (from CRAVITY) had his hair dyed LGBTQ flag colors including the LGBTQ flag (rainbow), the bisexual flag (blue, purple, and pink), and the lesbian flag (orange, white, and pink) :)

Can you tell me more about it, because I was planning to move to South Korea for my masters.

Woah

Stop spreading fake news about Korea.

yeah and its all covered up by pretty faces

no it does not you actual lunatic

Even if someone wants to date outside of their age group, when it's a teenager, esp. a younger teen, it smacks of pedophilia. Make no mistake, the "dating" isn't about shared life/romantic experiences when there's that large an age gap (20+ yrs). It's about taking sexual advantage of someone over whom you hold power.

Not at YG recruiting his now wife as a trainee, when she was aged 16. Rumour has it he let her group flop, so he could have her. He obviously stood a better chance with an ex-member of a defunct girl group. Had he supported Swi.T, they could have gone on to bigger and better things, placing her out of his grasp.

thank you jae for stopping by❤️

Yo sameeee! Those outfits were horrendous and I just knew deep down they hated it too. They probably hated the song too.

Yess , I thought the same thing

Wasn't zimzalabim a well acclaimed song by the general public tho? I even heard people say it was a "cultural reset"

@@chaizan9733 it wasn’t received well by the Korean public, it did better worldwide

Yes the outfits were horrendous but the song was very well received by the listeners specifying the uniqueness of the song unlike other kpop songs.

Oh yes , I remember her and the rest of sr16g who didn't debut. I was waiting for them to debut since they were formally introduced to the public, did some variety shows, and even featured to sing in Shining Star. Its so sad that they didn't got to debut. But I'm still happy with aespa's current line-up.

@🙂Happy Feeling🙃 i don't think that's true, sm always wanted to debut 4 girls as the new girl group and i just have a feeling that they company made it clear to the rest of the girls who made it to the debut line. i think when koeun heard that she didn't make it, she left along with the other ace trainess who are lami (kim sungkyung) and nakamura hina.

Sometimes other trainees outperform you it's life, SM wanted 4 girls who all could sing and dance and had the look Lami and Hina weren't good singers and Koeuns visuals and dancing wasn't up to par for what SM wanted

@@RichRichification well in that case i believe sm lost so many talented beautiful girls. i love and support aespa the way they are right now but they could've been a 9-12 member group!!

@@ghinaanjum9101 again it would depend on the company's vision and plans for the group, bigger groups have a possibility for more fans (a bias for everyone) but it also comes with more costs (more stage outfits with variations). You could say sm could've made Aespa 9-12 members but we could say the same for rv (who debuted between bgs who had more than 10 members) 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️

wow she should write it in english!! i'll let her know ◡̈

In Gina’s personal vlog though, she’s been praising JYPE and said it “feels like home.”

@@veeveegem Got7 case is because their fans over babied them . Its an industry ( in the company eyes ) . JYP himself can't and won't take care of you forever just when you're trainee ( debutee prospect ) or your below 3 years in debut . After your 3 years is between yourself/group and the company .

@@evanyong5871 yh but the company is responsible for them, responsible with promoting them and many other things. Got7 was forgotten.

@@veeveegem could you put the link cause for some reason I couldn't find it

@@evanyong5871 umm no one babied anyone wtf are you talking about?? The fans don’t expect JYP to take care of them forever they expect the company to promote them like they should and give them a bit more artistic freedom

ar the right place 😜

thank you so much 🥺❤️

@@Rilaccoco when im sad your videos always make me feel so much better so I hope i was able to return that feeling even if it was a lil bit !!I hope you have a great day/night !! (P.s. I look forward to your next cover)

wholesome

I wouldn't say it is worse, it is just shitty but not worse, I was abused before and while it was frustrating that people would do nothing but I would still be thankful to them they are not like abusers and at least I could have some nice conversations. They are not friend material but definitely not as bad as abusers, especially when you have no one of your friends around it help to keep sane if you can at least talk with someone without being trashed.

I don't agree to that quote because it does not apply to everyone. When I was in elementary I had this girl classmate who was being bullied by my 3 other girl classmates. Seeing that, I befriend her and does not let her left alone. After some time guess what? I became the next target. And you know what's worse? the girl that I helped didn't helped me and the remaining girls in my class sided with the bullies (There are only 7 girls in my class including me). Yes, I am mad at all of them. However, I also understand why the other girls didn't helped me that time because they know the moment they helped me they will be the next target. And most of the time bystanders are like that. They are also helpless and feel that they aren't powerful enough to stop the abuser. The safe choice for them is to be silent so that they will not be the next victim.

@@tealotter5620 yeah i agree on that. It really depends on the situation.

@Sugaシ Okay so with that reasoning, why doesn't the abused do something about it? If fear is stopping them, maybe fear is stopping someone else as well. Also, because the abuser had a bad/traumatic experience, it's fine for them to take it out on you? And someone who is a bystander is somehow worse than someone who is inflicting the pain? Nah. Doesn't sit right with me. I do agree that it's crappy for people not to help, but if you're going to consider what the bully has gone through, then maybe first consider what the bystander has gone through. Don't take an ounce of responsibility away from abusers. They are first and foremost the bad ones. A bystander could also be bad, but not worse.

i hope it can shed some light to those deciding to devote their lives to this industry! better to know than it all being a surprise.

thank you ren always!🥺😭❤️

@@Rilaccoco Don't count on those big companies ...You have many CEO , producers that also teach at University or coaching idols ...And those composers , that run many activities , worked for some well known artists ...Please...If you are interested in singing , arts or joining a band...Start collaboring or do small steps with ...The good side ..you 'll find cooler ones and be free ..What matters ...It's not fame or being an idol ...It's 1% of the whole opportunity ...Prove you can work it out and starting a job....Plus...S.Korea is so huge ...You can still record , write , modelling or be an artist before or without starting or being under those 3 or 5 big companies that are still reliable and successful thanks to some unknown pple and talents ....They are still labels or songwriters that no one mind but worked for those last ...Good luck and I really wish I could hear ur singing ...I liked ur personality good luck !!!!!

Yes ....... I don't know why nobody talks about it anywhere , esp. when one of grp members come out as a relative/acquaintance of company's boss , i am like WHAT ???? ( It is possible that these rich trainees are nice people , talented , deserving ,etc but still feel bad coz they MIGHT be debuting by paying / bribing companies .....n it happens in every industry )

Agreed. There are 100% going to be exceptions to this (Wonho, IU, Taeyang, Sandara Park, Eunhyuk, and even Taeyoung/V), but you can't ignore the fact that the vast majority of idols grew up privileged. Many took dance and vocal lessons from a young age, and while I would never try to delegitimize their talent and hard work in the industry, they definitely had a leg-up over other people with less opportunities.

@@nevereverigoteyesonyou8377 sounds like a good way for the companies to make money.

Yes say louder.

Yes say louder.

well said

THANK U

yes, very well said

They're not artists because they don't create anything alone. They're puppets.

@@ALIAOUTSIDERtarotreadings I disagree with that one. Read my edit

is that not ice cream

@@kzdwt9969 i thought it was ice cream too- i think it's actually cream cheese or something

@@qianyue.c i think its ice cream, it seemed to melt. but ice cream w bacon and waffle sounds good tho, i feel like ive seen it before

​@@kzdwt9969 hm maybe i need to try it to know, but i personally don't think ice cream and bacon would taste good together... maybe it does? but yeah. i guess it _is_ ice cream :o

its butter hahaha

I'm just like you but what differs us is that Id rather try then deal with the regret for not trying my whole life. Who knows maybe you could get a good company even tho its not that famous... I hope you do what ever your heart desires and I hope you become successful 😙

😜 thanks for being here early!

@@Rilaccoco just for you❤

In what minute does he mention it? I couldn't see the full video

In JYP, SM, YG, BH (the big four companies) and some other successful companies you don't have to pay for it, but a lot of them (especially smaller/medium-sized companies) you do. It can put people in crippling debt which is actually terrifying.

She didn't have to repay the debt. She talks about it in her latest video with Coco.

​@@gracienoble2880 the big4 spends money and invest for the trainees, the trainees don't have to pay the company unless they insist to leave even before trainee contract expiration

@@gracienoble2880 before bighit was big , the trainers had a partime job like Suga

so much love xo

thank you so much for stopping by!

Omg yeah I forgot the name but she looks so familiar