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All Mortys become evil. Because of Rick's. Rick's then go to a different universe where there is a morty Who is not evil yet. Much like adults ruin every child . Once they become adults and lose their authentic love. We lose the our connection to them and their inocence. And move on to pay attention to another child who is not spoiled by the toxic and cynical ways of life
Sounds suspiciously similar to the "cycle" of _"The Hero's Journey"_ Trope: Season 1: "Call to Adventure" -> (Threshold) Season 2: "Challenges" + (Temptations) -> "REVELATION" [S2E10] Season 3: "Death & Rebirth" [S03E01] -> Transformation Season 4: "Atonement" -> (Return)
While I get why they're doing what they're doing, I still hope we're gonna get at least one episode per season that pushes the greater story forward, be it Evil Morty or something else.
Honestly I believe that if nothing happens this season it will happen next season. First time we encountered Evil Morty was in season 1, the next time was in season 3. While I'm only going off of two data points I feel like this might become a pattern. Where they do something every other season.
@@The_Dragon_Tiamat That's true, but in s2 we got Bird Person's wedding and Rick's imprisonment, so every season there's something bigger happening during at least one episode. I hope that continues.
Král Václav I. im sure it will. its to good of a show to just stagnate on tropes just to turn a certain demographic of fans off completely from liking it.
I took it more as support for the Rick/Morty duality theory. Morty is getting smarter and more in control, whereas Rick seems to be distraught in his loss of control.
Interesting way of looking at it. Now go do anything a man can do. Join the women writing staff and write an entertaining episode of Rick and Morty cuz they all are and that's the point. Fuck you! Tiny Rick yeah!!
Morty is a young Rick and Rick knows it which does annoy Rick but he understands without all these adventures and mishaps Morty will never get to that level or understand the world from a scientific view just writing this just made me realise why a Mortys brain waves block out Rick's they are the same but just inverted canceling each other out until morty thinks like Rick or Rick's brain waves are getting weaker while Mortys gets stronger therefore make Mortys mind a cloaking device as he's a teenager and his thoughts are all over the place and often confused or conflicted internally
Something you didn't cover was the growing bond between Rick and Jerry. Rick is giving Jerry more chances as Jerry shows more independence and a willingness to try to be a better man without begging for help. Is this a sign that Rick can be a better person? Or that Jerry is going to completely usurp Rick in the future?
Interesting to note is that in the Rick and Morty comics a Jerry fucks up the Citadel of Ricks I can't remember the specifics, but iirc he becomes a dictator figure or something. (Interesting note, that specific issue also refers to the Rick we follow as C-137, so it might be an adventure not followed in the show, or it might be that there are multiple "central finite curves," or that the comics might not be canon, etc. It's too much to _really_ worry about, though, so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ )
I don’t think there is a growing bond between him and Jerry. He only tolerates him because he is his daughters husband. Jerry is trying to become more assertive and independent but he still is kind of a dufus.
I think the line "your boos mean nothing I've seen what makes you cheer" are for those people who praise the show before and are now going to find a way to say it's not that good anymore
I'm pretty sure they wouldn't consciously flip off their audience by saying "we don't care about your boos because what entertained you was garbage: our previous seasons." Once you have an idea of meta commentary, or anything else, deduce how likely it is to be true. Because that was dumb as shit
Claudia every character in the show is a shitty person. Rick just stands out bc he’s smarter than everyone else so he’s “allowed” to show his shittiness more
@@FuryClouds This take is so empty. The cringe post on reddit about "having a high iq to understand this show" was admitted by the guy to be a shitpost. Everyone gobbled it up, and now you have hot takes like yours. Rick was never nice, from the first episode, he literally made his grandson smuggle a seed up his butt. Honestly, takes like these are more cringe than any reddit post.
@@therandom58 No Morty, Beth, Jerry and Summer aren't shitty people because they try to be good and do the right thing. They fail because they're human but at the end of the day they try to be better whereas Rick doesn't.
Abandoned Hope them trying to be better is a rather new thing btw. For most of the series they’ve been content with being shitty people. And Morty has gotten worse if u ask me. Also striving to be better doesn’t make u a good person it just means ur a shitty person striving to be better
I love this show because of how actively the creators denounce their more toxic Reddit-ass fans. I can’t wait for the Evil Morty thing to be resolved because he’s suddenly eaten by a giant space snake in an after credit scene. Then for him to be back seasons later because obviously there’s another version of an Evil Morty that didn’t get eaten by a giant snake.
So, Rick is a bad person, who's secretly a good person, but he's way too toxic to realize how toxic he actually is. Except he totally does, and that leaves him constantly depressed and hating himself, a cicle he can't break out of because of how that depression and toxicity makes him perceive everything. Just like he's always been. Got it.
well when you try to define something so circumstantial like ricks choices (or the choices of anyone with zero necessary connections to things) in absolutes like personality traits yeah things get a bit complicated.
Thank you for pointing out (again) how fan favorite Rick is actually not only a bad role model, but an actual villain that ends up incredibly lonely and sad. The heist episode is actually really depressing, about a care taker destroying his kid's dreams for his own selfish reasons. It's child abuse over and over again. It's nice to see how Summer has gotten to a point where she has stopped caring about her grandpa's approval, not waning to go to boobland with him and calling him out if he is being an ass. While the producers are still showing Rick as a miserable character, it's increasingly harder to have empathy for him. If you are a shitty human because you lack the capacity to make things better that's one thing. But if you are a God like creature, having the knowledge and power to solve basically every problem of the universe... What a coward at best and villain at worst do you have to be then to reject that responsibility and to use that knowledge "to have fun" instead. Rick is repulsed by the cat's actions but refuses to see his own most of the time. Which also makes him a hypocrite.
Well there's no way to predict how it will develop in the future. What I think though is that they spend too much time addressing what the "fans" want or whatever. The fact that they address it in a fourth wall break every second episode doesn't exactly scream "we keep doing our own thing without distractions".
@Reggie Cyde why? The show has done that for all of its other characters since episode 1, why should Rick be excluded? Hell, Rick himself has had plenty of humanizing moments throughout the show, so it's kinda arbitrary to take issue now.
11:52 - The eruption of fans against the final season of Game of Thrones was not at all about fan expectations being set too high. Everyone other than the show's creators was on board to keep the show going much longer (including George RR Martin). In fact, the effort to subvert fan expectations has affected the show (and most fans would prefer a well-written idea they figured out the end of through literary analysis than a show that did manage to surprise them in a negative way). But sure, let's blame the fans of a created thing for why they no longer like said created thing instead of the people who actually dropped the proverbial ball.
I'm glad that they have slowed down this season, the destruction and rebuilding of the citadel, rick's imprisonment, Beth and Jerry's Divorce all could have been big long stories, not crammed into a single season. I hope they keep this pace
@@harrisont2004 Doesn't that already happen often? Like when he shot rick in the head during a hostage situation with summer. The gun turned out to be rigged but he woulda killed him otherwise!! oof.
The over cynical fan aspect... God, in the last two months I realized how the internet is. Like all the fandom stuff, but for me how cynical it is. *Nothing* is 'good' anymore. It is either trash, average or a masterpiece. Not everyone is like this, but the majority keeps flocking to the 'best and perfect' shows. I've been actively watching theories, games and youtube since 2011. I grew up with it as I am 19 now. And it made my mind cynical. I judge all the content I watch and find little mistakes everywhere. Stories with plotholes and inconsistencies and editing mistakes etc etc. It sucks. I just want to enjoy my shows. So my advice: try to just enjoy what other people created with (hopefully) effort and their heart and soul. Not everything has to be thought provoking or perfect. Sometimes it just 'is'. 14:16 *everything* has to be clarified these days, which is also a trend I hate. If you're doing something you have to make it *abundantly* clear what you mean and what you're not saying. Sometimes even when you *do* make it clear people just skip over it, forget it or ignore what you said and keep going to the comments anyway.
Loretta...if you want people to care what you think, don't point out that you are 19. I know you probably don't feel that way yourself, but to most older people (and I don't mean significantly older) that just says "Go ahead and disregard anything I have to say, I'm 19 and I'm posting on YT, nothing I have to say at this point in time should be heard by anyone"
@@mightyone777 It would depend on how the phrasing is meant. People certainly grow wiser with age. Which can often times mean that a older persons opinion is more valueable because it is based on more experience. You could be a super intelligent 12 year old. Pretty much anything said 12 year old has to say about society in general can be disregarded, the 12 year old has no meaningful experience with societies to be making judgement calls, no matter how intelligent they are.
Monoochrom no its not called wisdom with age, its called experience. i could be such experienced at 12 yr old cz i have read about the experiences older people encounter with, so I dont really agree with you. intelligence is not really associated with experience to my opinion
@@vibewithme2089 I didn't know this conversation was happening. I had my notificationa turned off, haha. I mostly said my age to clearify how long I've been on youtube. It just made sense in my head. Some people are better with words than others. People with less intelligence can still bring interesting facts or ideas to the table. Age doesn't matter much. Experience is important in life, any experience. Mental, emotional or physical. I might be experienced in one thing, like living for a long time and what comes with it, but I do have other experiences I can base my ideas and thoughts on. Older doesn't always mean wiser, but in a discussion like this a lot of other things are important. Culture, experience, morals, ideas and ideals. Btw if people want to disregard my comment because of my age, that's their problem. I just wanted to rant a bit and if anyone agreed/disagreed or wanted to add to my comment then I'm fine with it.
What do you mean? Season 6-8 gave us every single fan service moment we could ask for.. and a whole lot we didn’t lol isn’t that how you write a super awesome show, add some epic dragons and plot armor and you got genius 💆♂️
I also love how they cat, as much as he tells jerry not to question him, essentially begs to other people to questions him. Which leads to him getting kicked out. Almost as if to say as much as this show says it’s for fun, where would it be without them. The cat always rang to me as a kid who wanted attention but wanted to do it posing as if it wasn’t what he wanted. Playing cool. But when he finally finds other kids who don’t give a shit about his “quirk” he finds that he’s just a regular loser who can only impress other losers through the quirkiness.
I'm seeing the balance of a healthier family dynamic. I've also noticed Rick isnt hammered almost at all anymore. Instead he has a weird bender with the dragon and then goes back to his normal life with his family. The family is accepting each other for who they are and not allowing false expectations of anyone get in the way of it. Rick is the one struggling the most bc of it but he's still healthier
This is one of the best analysis I’ve seen. Tbh before this analysis I just thought that Rick and Morty just lost it’s creativity and that this show will turn to bad cartoon sitcom. But now I just think that the writer’s are brilliant again and I’m excited for the second half of Rick and Morty. Just thanks!
I like how Dan Harmon's mentality is that they don't owe anything to the fans. It's true, they don't but neither do the fans owe them their attention or a positive response to whatever they are doing. How about instead of constantly referencing how much they won't bend over for the viewer they just don't do it? As for "re-centering" the characters: I guess I must have misinterpreted what the show was going for but if it is indeed being like the Simpsons or Family Guy or any other long running sitcom then I don't see why I shouldn't just watch any of those instead.
I like that little and question there: the why not watch other shows. Well firstly the characters and the situations they find themselves in partnered with the improvisational nature of the witty dialogue. Rick and Morty may have a similar structure to a lot of other animated sitcoms, but offers different character dynamics world views and characters.
I respect the hell out of the creators for not bending over to the fan theories, and just doing what they want to do, and that they do not subdue to the overarching plot. Remember House HD? After some time i only watched it for the story, and i could not care less about all the patients they cured, as this was the same episode over and over again.
Tyank you for this. I get bothered when peole say this season isn't good. The character development is beyond great. Rick being dismantled helps us understand his pain.
WTF why does every one see rick erasing Jerrys memory as a good act , he is priving jerry of important growth we can see resolution in jerrys actitud and eyes when he sais "some one has to remember" Rick is not helping him at all by erasing hes memory , he is just keeping jerry helpless and not letting him mature and become stronger
@@DeathnoteBB I think it's a general consensus that it flopped because the writers saw everyone could predict the endings (which tbh isn't that bad it means your writing is following a good flow and is clear enough that arcs can be understood and followed to a logical conclusion) so they tried to throw a bunch of "subversions" into it which made it just kinda unsatisfying in all.
Tiktai But again, that’s not the fandom’s fault. Predicting how a story ends is half the fun of stories. Everyone does that. Fandom has a lot of toxicity but something that everyone has done since stories were invented? That’s not it.
@@DeathnoteBB No no, I didn't say it was the fandom's fault for that. It's the writers fault for feeling that they need to subvert the fandom's expectations
I dont understand how a fanbase can ruin a show. The creators should be happy we are having so much fun with something they created, but it should not bind them into doing whatever the fans imaginations come up with. They should just keep up doing what they were doing as obviously that is what was successful.
@@cjg8763 well due to thr fandoms little stunt when mcdonalds started releasing the sause again and the whole "only smart people watch rick&morty" its kinda pushed some people away from the show which would stunt it growth not improve
@@kinroga LOL the whole "smart person" thing is a copypasta joke. Secondly, anybody abandoning a show they enjoy watching just because some lunatics saw the sauce joke and then went crazy at McDonalds, as if it were the show's fault, are just dumb. The show never solicited such behavior, that's on the people who did it. It was just another joke in a show full of jokes.
@@cjg8763 the fandom is one of the most toxic on the internet which is saying something. And the creators have told off those fans for yrs now esp since they have also been harassing the creators about shit. I bet they regret creating pickle rick. This and the McDonald's bs over a sauce that is terrible (thats the joke. Rick and the agent has terrible taste) have made most people hate the show and creators preventing more people from liking the show. They are lucky a large amount of people already liked the show before this shit or it would have been canceled. No show with a small but crazed fan base gets renewed. Now if it becomes like the simpsons it'll be terrible in a few yrs.
What I don't understand is why these people are saying "oh he's very smart and sometimes does good things but he's not a good guy or a hero you should be emulating" when the series has never portrayed as a hero...? Literally the first episode intro, neutrino bomb? It feels like she was reading a script but never having watched the show, and the people who wrote it not having watched it either just read a summary or something
@@JMarchel From what I gather she thinks the show is somehow "tearing Rick down", and throughout she implies that it somehow glorified him as a hero when the show never did that and isn't tearing him down any more now than before, that's why we said it seems like she was reading a script without having watched the show. If you don't see that you didn't read either comment very well.
@@TheKapowz continually they have tried to be more clear about how Rick wasn't a hero. It wasn't clear enough for a lot of fans in s1 and s2, so it got more blatant in s3 with characters literally dressing down Rick to the audience. But the biggest one pickle Rick still seemed like a crowning moment of awesome to fans. So they're even more blatantly showing how Rick isn't great this season. No one is saying he was great in s1, just a lot of fucking people didn't get it. Also this show is created by two people and their videos are very well researched. I think you're reading something into this that isn't there.
This show has actually helped me shed one big prejudice I used to have: my lifelong belief that most women can't be funny. Some of my favorite R&M episodes that keep me laughing despite multiple views were each written by different women (I looked the writing credits up because I was like, "What genius wrote this?!"). I can't believe some fans have complained about the female writers! I'm grateful for them, because they've helped me grow as an individual.
It'll be 10 episodes long by the time it's over, similar to the other 3 seasons before it. Plus many more episodes to come in future seasons as they were greenlighted for 70 more episodes after season 3.
I was a little annoyed at the meta content and self-contained episodes, but I really like how the devotion to disjointed stories gives us such unique moments and storylines. Also adds to rick's degrading character and morty's growth.
I don’t know how you can say that the previous 3 seasons were any less critical of Rick. He’s basically been depressed and suicidal throughout. But it’s hard to turn down any price to have unlimited power.
All good points. I also want R&M to be this generation's Simpsons. With the keen insight you offer here, I have confidence they can do this long distance run, perhaps more successfully than the Simpsons even did.
Sounds like an adequate response from writers frustrated with a fandom that keeps trying to guess where the story will go next. This fandom needs to be quieter.
"Rick and Morty season 4 makes a point of tearing down the myth of Rick." ... Wasn't that the point of season 3? I'm pretty sure season 4 is meant to be post-tearing down.
Kind of? Season 3 started it and Season 4 is really exploring the effects and more of Rick’s psychology within the dynamic. Besides, in this season, Rick is at the bottom of the totem pole.
@@kaitlnwhite6809 I mean that's fair but season three was all about showing how destructive Rick is and how he is actually kinda evil. In the end, the family tears him down by putting him beneath *Jerry*. This season, I think, is less about tearing him down because he's kinda already been torn down. We're now seeing a Rick that is no longer looked at through a god-like lense. The family already is disillusioned with him and he has to deal with that. Sorta like there's movies about the collapse of society and movies about what's after society collapsed.
@@ObaREX I think The Take is mostly talking about how, when you look at Rick and Morty through just a textual analysis, Rick is seen as essentially the "smart guy who is in pain because he's smart." Which is a trope you see pretty often. And even in S3 this was the case. I mean there's even the line about "what's worse is you're smart" line from Rick to Beth. This presentation of Rick is why 20-something dudes who think they're smarter than everyone else love him. S4 is 100% trying to skirt that notion by showing him as actually the piece of shit that he is.
Edward Gil Let me start off by saying I love how you put Jerry in asterisks as if the notion was painful to type out and that you were actually chill and explained your opinion. Thanks for both of those. I think what I meant to say was, and you elaborated on this in your explanation, in S3 we saw how Rick lost his standing in the family and how they became just as disillusioned as Morty and Jerry were. We saw how his power waned, and now we’re seeing the aftermath of his loss of power. I think one of the reasons he seems so much worse in this season, in particular, is because he has to use more underhanded tactics to do whatever he wants.
Rick is showing morty how to be a genius which involves killing dreams and expectations as learning to not harbour these thoughts or feelings as facts makes it easier to navigate life and logic ,ureka moments as a scientist maybe random and not what you expect as the same as life.... Rick morty does meta commentary and 4th wall breaks so much most people can't tell if a spade is a spade or a giant stylish spoon altogether trying to always defy expectations, rick very human because any normal person would act just like him with such power of knowledge and expertise... Anything else is left to the imagination and imaginations run wild, we still got phoenix person, fart and evil morty to flush out in a way they are giving the fandom what they want but just not in the expected way just like the show always has... Its not rocket science lol
Thanks for all your insight! Your channel helps me appreciate and look at a lot of my favourite shows and movies in a deeper way. I’m addicted especially with all the Rick and Morty content! 🙂
While watching it, aside from the first and last episode, i wasn't really into this season, but after looking at it as a whole, this was actually a pretty good season.
How do you sattle a fart? At first I'm like what? And then LMFAO I didn't catch that until the second time I watch that episode! 🤣 Morty called him a sad old fart, and Rick thought Morty just called him a sattled fart. Still makes me laugh.
For me season 3 spent too much time trying to be what the 'fanbase' wanted it to be, so to see it diverge from that this season is something that makes me hopeful for the future.
Season 3 focused too much on family drama and character development. These elements were always present, but more in the background. Personally, I really miss unsure and unconfident Morty and drunken yet genius Rick dragging him around all over the place on wacky adventures. Awe geez, Rick, what happened? Still though, season 4 seems to be shaping up as better than season 3, IMO. Not to say S3 was terrible, just different. Just my $0.02. PS I do hope they follow up on the Citadel / Evil Morty story. Out of what little serialized elements there are to this show, that's the one I'm most interested in.
I don't see Rick as a role model but I do like characters like him. Dealing with somebody like Rick would be a pain the ass in real life but he's a fun character type to watch.
Idk. You cant really dismiss fan expectation wholeheartedly. Its a thin line. Something shouldnt be 100% fan service, but it definitely needs to be acknowledged, and shouldnt be purposefully undermined. Afterall, creators are often the ones that promise us such lofty ideals in the 1st place. They take the laurels when we like what they made. But they walk it all back if we hate it.
Love this. Rick is bs, and glad to see that the show recognizes this even if some fans don't. The opposite happens with Jerry. Jerry is the biggest scapegoat of this show.
Just a quick one; the failure of season 8 of GoT (or realistically seasons 6-8) was not due to a 'fandom trap.' It was due to 1) crap writing 2) showrunner narcissism that assumed that fans would just swallow crap writing.
While I think its nice that the creators are concerned with the opinions of their fans, i believe its wildly unjustified to put the pressure they feel squarely in the laps of the fandom. They have made a wonderfully introspective and satirical show and want to keep that up, but it should go without saying they're only competing with themselves. The fact that they have captured the attention of so many, that such a large number of people find their plots relatable is a huge win. Every voice, whether critical or not, is applauding the show. I agree they have sent a clear message that they will not give in to fan service, to ignore fans completely is kind of a Rick move. I hope they don't fall into the szechuan sauce trap of focusing on the fringe instead of the core, because so far, the core is wonderful.
People hated season 8 because it was a rushed garage fire of a season written by people who shouldn't be anywhere near a TV show, and not just because it didn't live up to fan expectations.
I was with you till the got fandom broke the show, and that’s not true. Why is it that fans are getting blamed for ruining shows, when it’s clearly the writing, directing, and predicting that failed the show. Got, Star Wars, Charles’s angles. Them blame the fans for it when really it was just bad writing.
What a shit take. Rick has always thought of himself first. To ruin your point, in the first episode he literally made his kid smuggle a big seed up his butt, and when it didn't work out, told him he had to do it again. 0/10
I honestly never thought so deep into any episode to the point in disrupting the creator's creative flow. I am just more upset that there arent enough episodes in season 4!!
I personally think this has been the greatest season so far. Not only that, I think it was revolutionary and will be emulated for generations. This is the future of televesion, folks, make your notes.
I feel like this season is gonna be a filler season. Where they're all gonna be a bunch of nonsense episode that aren't connected. All the episodes they always wanted to make and doesn't do anything for the whole plot.
