Nice minimalist setup! I’ve been on leadership teams at 3 mega churches - People like to see full sanctuaries - it’s a psychological sign that you’re effective and 100% efficient… Moving to a larger space will reck your attendance unless you first pack out 2 or more services per Sunday…
Looks awesome. I'm a Pastor of a new smaller (growing) church in Crestview, FL (High Praise Crestview) and have to do all the tech stuff myself. These videos are a huge help. Everything looks so good. I am having a tough time making things looks this good but these videos will hopefully help. Great job!
You could tuck a couple of mics located under the cymbals, and just bring them into the mix lightly to get around the issue of visibility and the delay from the crowd mics.
A change that I made at my church that helped quite a bit was switching from cardioid to super cardioid mics for vocals. The smaller pickup pattern means less drums in the IEMs and it also made the drums feel quiter in the room. Great video!
Pro Presenter 7 Has NDI. Using NDI Will let you send lyrics and and NDI for full screen output along with NDI audio for when you play videos to OBS. No need for that Atem . But if its not broken don't fix haha
Thanks for the tip! We actually use the ATEM to switch between two input devices for the LED wall. It enables us to switch seamlessly between the pastor's computer and the ProPresenter computer.
Hi, It was a great share! I have been trying to create a better setup for my Church, and it is under process. We have finalized a few things and your videos have been a great help with that. I have learned from this setup as well. I will share this within the group, and hopefully, we can all find inspiration from this share! Thanks a lot for sharing such an amazing video, it really was a great watch. Hope to watch more videos like this in the future!
Thank you so much for all the content you put up. Our church is small and I can say conservative, and it seems like tech is not a priority for our leadership. So it is my prayer that one day we will have the means to do some upgrades to your sanctuary. In the mean time, I will continue enjoying your content.
If you’re looking to change to lighting software I would suggest Lightkey, it’s affordable and connects easily to fixtures. Plus you can run midi commands from pro presenter easily to automate lighting.
I really liked and learned a lot about live sound and Your use of the led screen in such a small space. My church is about that same size and I'm having a lot of the same issues that you were having. Looking forward to watching more videos so I can as much as I can. I hope your videos are Taylored for DUMMIES.
Love your casual info filled presentation! Fresnel's are better than your LED pars! Fresnel's are used for "washes" and "fill". Your short streams clips look like you need a lot more front fill - even faces are too dim on camera. Light the faces better with you 3000k Fresnel's at 45 Degrees ( to keep off screen). Keep on! The good old "restart" trick is great!
Thanks for the tips! Worship looks dark on the stream by design. We prioritize the look in person over the stream and prefer that the front lighting on the stage be on the dim side during worship (which means it's dim on the stream. We do boost ISO a bit during worship to compensate). They are perfectly exposed for the message though.
Excluding the LED wall, can you share how much a set up like this cost? We have a small church plant in Colorado and are in the process of getting land and a building. Just looking for some references and cost ideas for a set up like this. BTW, I might get to see you at ChurchFront Conference this year. So I hope to see you there. Thanks!!!
Hope to see you there! We honestly don't have a total cost added up for anything. And prices always seem to be changing lately anyway. You'd just have to research the gear we use, that you would also want, figure out current pricing, and then add it up. If there was anything you saw that we didn't give the name of, just let me know at dillon@collaborateworship.com and I'll help you connect the dots.
Hey Kade Thanks for everything you do, you guys have helped me a ton with setting up my x32. Can you you make a video on your P16 setup, specifically the grouping, I am interested in how you are using buses to send (p16Keys,P16 drums etc) are you sending Keys L and Keys R to a bus and then sending that bus to one channel of the p16?
Glad we've helped you! I have a video in the works on how I mix in-ears and I'll be sure to add a segment in there about how things are routed to the P16. - Dillon
Excellent tour! You have a really nice setup. I love the fact that you're using some older things, while not as "sexy" as the newer things, still work. ;-) Can you please elaborate a bit on how you connect/use the Roku? Thanks!
Thank you very much for this interesting tour. I am leading the technic team of a small Baptist Church in Neu-Ulm, Germany. I appreciate your minimalism setup approach as we are in a similar situation also not having huch money at hand. I really learned a lot from your channel and keep on doing so as I subscribed to it. Thanks a lot for all the cool hints especially on the X32 we are also using! While I myself understand English quit OKish I would love to find a similar channel in German for my companions. That's why I didn't decide for one of your training courses so far which I certainly would have done if being in German. Have you got a tip for me on that issue? Do you know guys in Germany that proceed as you do?
Hey Frank - I am not of anyone in Germany who provides training. How well do you think it would work if we added German subtitles to our course training videos?
@@collabworship hi, I'm also a sound guy in our church in Germany. I would like to do the subtitles for the course or even speak a German version. I understand English quiet perfect.
@@collabworship I am overwhelmed by the spontaneous promise of help. Thank you so much for this 🙏. I'm not sure if my point was well taken, though. For our technical team (currently 4 people) I am looking for support for the whole training package "Church Sound Made Easy | Stress Free Training for Great Sound in Church" and not just for this one episode. Subtitling this training completely in German seems like a considerable effort to me after all. I am not sure if this effort is justified. Hence my original request, if you know of a channel that offers such or very similar training in German online.
@@frankl.8831 We are currently working on translating "Church Sound Made Simple" into Spanish. So your request was very timely as we were wondering if we should looking into other languages as well. I'll see what we can do!
You could do Underhead instead of overheads if you still wanted to be able to have that sound for your live stream. They sound a bit darker than an overhead would, but its cool.
That is a good setup bro.. However, there is an easier way actually to get lower third into obs studio, but it's just that, you only need a little skill in html and css.
We actually don't use lower thirds at all anymore since our LED screen is in the shot and displays the lyrics in the camera perfectly well lol. Might have to look into the method your talking about out of curiosity though.
@@collabworship as you use it more and more and unlock it's power, you'll be glad you upgraded. I really love it because it has so much more power and things we can do. One thing, being able to make ANY screen do whatever we want it to do. We have 5 screens. One main control screen, one for front, one for stage display, one for live feed and one for the lobby. The lobby runs our announcement loop that is totally separate from our loop and screens inside the auditorium. It runs on a loop constantly regardless of what we do inside (unless you do a clear all or something). It's really awesome. I love it and 7 runs just as good on a PC as it does on a Mac. We recently switched to PC for several reasons, but it runs beautifully, unlike 6. It takes some learning on how differently it does some things but it's worth it
Have you pondered using close mics for your cymbals? We saw COTM doing it and made the switch a couple of years ago and have been pretty happy with the results
We just upgraded the firmware to v1.06 on all our P16’s (we have a x32 and 6 P16’s); now with the upgraded firmware, we get a high-pitched squeal in channel 2 (vocal mic) on all P16’s. Mic in the house is fine. This began only after we upgraded the P16’s. The x32 has current firmware. Help?!
I would reach out to Behringer and see what they recommend. Is installing a previous firmware version an option? We haven't upgraded the firmware on our P16's at all. They are all working so don't feel the need to chance it lol
I love how non-production people (ahem musicians... yes, even myself) throw so much shade about vocal tuning. Until they hear themselves back on a livestream. LOL.
Looks great! What’s the square footage of that room? And what’s the square footage overall of the entire building? We are a mobile church and are looking one day to lease or buy a building.
I'm pretty sure I've been in your booth....it looks really familiar. Are you in Owasso, by chance? I think our church's youth group had some meetings there a few years ago.
@@collabworship I love it when I'm having to run sound during our Celebrate Recovery program and run the slides too, on those off days when, for whatever reason we end up without a sound man. Just to get through practice and get it all set up and they still have the lyrics, as our sound booth is downstairs and the rest upstairs
Here's the fixture: www.homedepot.com/p/Hampton-Bay-1-Light-Black-Warehouse-Pendant-Hanging-Light-with-Metal-Shade-AF-1032R-BK/313213138 Here's the dimmer pack: www.homedepot.com/p/Lutron-Caseta-Smart-Dimmer-Switch-and-Remote-Kit-for-Wall-and-Ceiling-Lights-150-Watt-LED-Bulbs-P-PKG1W-WH-R-P-PKG1W-WH-R/206754146
I Hope someone can answer my question. Are you plugging your tops and subs into a power conditioner also or are you not. Just making sure what I should do for my church
@@collabworship my church PA system has 3000 watts between the two tops and another 3000watts for the two subs. Should I get 4 power conditioners then. I also need to plug my pianos(2), mic, wireless in ears
@@lovefirst6157 Probably 5 of them then. We use these: sweetwater.sjv.io/dan0QK Have to look into how many Amps your gear is pulling. These have a limit of 15 amps. Our JBL SRX828SP pretty much maxes one out on it's own.
Live stream sounded really good, but that snare drum is disturbing me, there's a weird frequency coming from it 😅. Two Q's, do you compress all the vocals using the X32? Are all the effects coming from the X32?
Agree on the snare. We've been trying different heads and tuning to get it right, but still not where I want it. May end up trying a different snare altogether. Yes, we compress all the vocals using the X32. And yes, all the effects come from the X32. The only thing we are doing in Ableton is vocal tuning.
@@collabworship Thanks for the reply. Regarding the snare drum, try changing the drum completely (if there's a budget for it), it could be the type of drumming interacting weirdly with the heads, that's if all the tuning is right. Alternatively if it doesn't work, tune high and get a Big Fat Snare head to get that far sounding snare.
I believe it's the "iConnectivity AUDIO4c". Gives us 4 channels which we use to split out to... Channel 1: Click Channel 2-3: Stereo Tracks Channel 4: Individual instrument (Typically used when a team member is gone, so they can adjust that instrument at the mixer) Not the most user friendly audio interface from our experience, but it gets the job done.
Did you try using different HDMI Cables? From what I understand, it will only give you that error if you're also using an HDMI cable that is capable of detecting HDCP errors as well.
Question: those drum dampeners and cymbal guards are the only thing you use to not make the drums so overpowering in a smaller room? We have the same issue.
We also use specific drum sticks that help a lot. One drummer uses these: www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/VSM7AW--vater-sugar-maple-drumsticks-7a-wood-tip The other one (whos more heavy-handed) uses these to help reduce volume even more: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ZSDMPGB/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&th=1 It's also a lot of communication with them. Let them know every time their volume is too much until they eventually get a feel for what you're looking for. Could take a while, but they'll eventually feel it. If they have in-ears, you have to remember that they hear it differently than everyone in the congregation, so they may just not know how loud it really is unless you communicate it.
@@collabworship Do you do anything to make sure that they're in ear mix is loud enough? Even with a healthy amount of gain (~-12db) on each drum channel they still have issues hearing themselves in their ears and I think they play louder because of it.
Yes. No IEMs or wedges for preaching. Our room has a very short decay time. And the main speakers are very close to the stage, so it is tolerable to preach without monitoring.
There is, but the amount depends on your setup and computer capabilities. We have Ableton running at the highest sample rate so we're mostly just bottlenecked by the X32 USB speed. Comes out to around 7ms I believe. A little too much of a delay for monitoring your own vocal, but not noticeable through FOH. That's why we send the pre-Ableton (raw, un-tuned) signal to our P16s for in-ears. We explain it in much more detail in this video: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4KIl03ScPIo.html
They are wired. Everybody just uses an extension cable. Since our stage is so small, you're not doing a lot of moving around anyway, so wired works for us.
All depends on the speaker and the power conditioner. We have one power conditioner for both speakers and one for the subwoofer. We use these: sweetwater.sjv.io/c/2552214/937020/11319?prodsku=M8x2&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.sweetwater.com%2Fstore%2Fdetail%2FM8x2--furman-m-8x2-power-conditioner&intsrc=PUI2_7338
We prefer acoustic drums, and they currently sit really well in the mix (unless the drummer gets too crazy on the cymbals, which hardly happens anymore).
@@lovefirst6157 Just normal extension cords. Just have to make sure that you get the correct gauge for the power it needs and for the distance its running. I think that we just stepped up one size from what the speakers included IEC cable was to compensate for the extra distance.
@@collabworship Blessings Ps Kade, You mentioned that you use your space as an event center during the week. I am a Pastor in the South Jersey area, and I am considering doing the same. However, I was wondering if you could tell me a little more about that and also if you have run into any problems about being selective with who you allow to utilize the space and what they utilize the space for?
@@josemlopezjr Its definitiely a learning curve, and has some frustrating aspects, but has been an awesome way to free up money for our church. The event center covers all of our building expenses which is awesome. It even provides a side gig for some folks in our church that need the extra cash, since you have to have a cleaning staff to take care of things in-between events. - Dillon You can shoot Kade an email with any questions you have here: kade@collaborateworship.com
They connect to the X32 via ethernet. You can send up to 16 raw channels to them, and then dial in your own in-ear mix (including custom EQ for every channel).
@@Dannys.channel Sure does! There's a dedicated ultranet port on the S32 digital snake that does just that. We only have one ethernet running from the board to the snake.
I went back and forth for several months when deciding to go to a silent stage and almost purchased P16, then went with P2s instead and use wireless transmitters for all of them. The batteries (two AAA) have lasted a year and I'm still on a green light for all of them except for the one P2 where someone didn't turn them off. Either way it was a good decision. You can adjust via phone app for mixer (just make sure you choose the correct Bus); as clumsy as I am, the wireless totally rocks! One less thing to trip over. 😀
