After talking to a Technics Namm rep we have verified some crucial information on the new Technics 1200 MK7 Turntables. Sorry for the audio quality, it was an impromptu meeting. It gets better about a minute in.
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The price being $999 still can't get me to buy these, I can't tell if its arrogance or indifference that they've not added any new technological advancements to these tables. I mean, at least internally ground them, geez its 2019.
@@stevenmcguinness4751 True but in the 90's they had virtually zero competition... a lot has changed in 30 years, they should consider hiring some younger consultants or something because backtracking the price is proof they aren't aware of how the market changed since then.
this is a dope review. i’ve had my 1200s since 98’ and bought the pair for $1000. i also have a pair of vestax pdx 2000s and those have the strongest motors i’ve ever felt along with a ultra pitch control and a reverse button. moral of the story, nothing is beating the standard 1200 mk2’s
I believe the official way Panasonic pronounce it is Tech-niques, like you. I thought only us Brits said Tech-niks... I can’t change to the official pronunciation now, it’s been too long.
Exactly. Technics itself pronounces it "Teck-NEEKS" in its U.S. advertising ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-XUdaZ-oyoEo.html. In Japan it's "Teck-u-NEEKS" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-d7ebWunlhUk.html. Even in Britain (where the "Tech-nicks" pronunciation seems to stick) the company pronounces it "Teck-NEEKS". Used to argue with Gizmo about this all the time until some of the ads popped up on youtube. Haha.
I pronounce them tech-niks aswell. With a c. Not a q cos with a q is technique. As in thats a good technique you have. They should of spelled it with a q if tgey want to call them techniques shoukd they.???
I bought the PLX 1000 and the 1200mk7. I really like the 1200mk7 for turntablism and everyday dj use. I still like the PLX 1000 for mixing. Either way, they're both my babies. 😁
The Technics MK7 is one product I wish you would have tested and reviewed. Those decks looks really nice and always out of stock - yet I hear they have a dead zone between the +- 7 and 8 on the pitch fader.
I love the all black stealth look. The tone arm is🔥🔥 I haven't spent any money on my m3d's in over 10 years. Definitely a time for an upgrade. But I'm keeping my m3d's for a bit just incase.
I got to scratch and mix on these for two days. And I really don’t feel the difference from my M3Ds. But I will say the pitch and the motor haves more torque that’s about it. I think they need to got back to the drawing board and add features like ultra pitch,self ground,midi, and a interchangeable tonearm to go back and forth from straight arm to s arm. 🤷🏾♂️ And $750 starting would be the sweet number.
Maybe I interpreted it incorrectly but it sounded to me that the guy was saying these are not built as good as the old ones. Not made is good, no new features, no new motor, and a thousand bucks each. Thanks for the video!
My mk2’s i’ve had since the 90’s are still going strong but ima put those away & purchase me a pair of these mk7’s. I cant wait!! I hope technics developes a mixer to match them.
Exactly, no Technics setup is complete without a Technics mixer. I still use my Technics SH-EX 1200 mixer to this day, and even though it works perfectly, I think it's time for Technics to make an upgrade. It just looked weird to see that Pioneer mixer, marked with the Technics sticker on it. But I digress.
Yea i agree, they need there own technics mixer. It would be great if they came out with a modern mixer with serato integration, pads & built in effects.. that would be a good way to please all those complaining that the new turntable is the same as the old one & the reloop is better with modern features. But that might be too much to ask for.
@@mrbowtie64 I agree, for those that use time coded systems, it would be a convenience while, not compromising the quality sound that Technics mixers always had. And the EQs are second to none, they are still the absolute best, according to my experiences using many mixers. But Pioneer mixers wouldn't be my first choice, if it wouldn't be possible to bring my Technics mixer to a venue, or club, then and only then, I would resort to using those pioneer mixers. But I would never buy Pioneer mixers for my personal use.
That's definitely a more acceptable price point. Still high, but I'll still go for this over a Super OEM any day. Hopefully that price drop also applies to the SL-1500C.
The real question is, do they absorb vibrations as good as the former models despite having all the dampening material removed? The rep is a nice guy, but when I asked him about it, he said, “well you know most folks will be using this for DVS”. Something to think about.
I can’t get excited about a deck that has left the building for many years and returns with a hefty price tag attached. I get it ..it’s a technique TT but now there is reputable competition that has more under the hood. We are also on the verge of leaving the era of tonearmism (made up word🤣) as well. I think despite its iconic history it should be priced around $799 which is considerably fair by industry standards. Toto were not in Kansas anymore. The reason I arrived at this opinion is because of the lapse in time since release of the last TT and it’s fair to say the game has changed! A couple of years and you release a new model -yes..leave the game for decades - show and prove!
Thanks for the insight. Something I found very interesting is that they, Panasonic/Technics went through the trouble of giving us the replaceable RCA and power cable, why not internally ground it? Something else, they removed the heavy rubber base to shave off weight, is that really a good thing? I mean, if you are playing vinyl, because you had an unexpected glitch with your DVS, that heavy rubber base may come in handy. I did hear someone say that it seems like a copy of a Technics and not the real deal...I still have my MD3s and plan on handing them down to my son and or grandson because they are the best built electronic equipment in my life time...just saying. Thanks Cleveland, I do appreciate your videos and insight. Keep up the great work.
Love the review ( kind of review), I have an original pair of the Technics 1200 that work flawlessly and a Bozak CMA-10-2D mixer too. I learned using the knobs on the mixer.
It is especially more appropriate for the MK7 to have a separate grnd wire considering you can use any generic rca cables . It was always there because of the remote chance of interference into the audio path. Using an rca shield cable is a hack job. They would not gaurantee the connection of a shield cable in an rca lead without extensive testing . So especially now that the consumer can use whatever cheap or poorly shielded rcas they like Technics are guaranteeing the best possible signal. And what's the big deal every mixer has a ground pole. No electronics professionally manufactured ever rely on a shield cable for grounding or earthing alone period.
$999 Street price ($1200 MSRP) sounds about right. I don't have a problem with it considering the M5G's was around that price range. The Denon VL12 (while probably not a good selling deck is at $899 street). Technics will always be a little bit above the competition but will still put themselves at their own price point. I'm sure some of us spent some heavy dough on the good ole Pio CDJs back in the day but guess what those have very little value now. At least Turntables will hold it for a while and I don't see that changing.
People seem to not have an issue to drop $1000 or more for a phone that may last you 2-3 years. I'm not sure how a turntable that will probably last you the rest of your career is all of a sudden too expensive. These are not toys or gimmicky devices, they are tools of the trade and the investment if they suit your purpose really is very good value for money. You are a pro DJ bringing his own gear and these fit your style? They will pay themselves back in what, 6 months tops? People complaining here are likely just here to complain and jump on that bandwagon, they are not professionals who consider these a longer term investment and frankly a really solid one at that.
I hear what you’re saying, but I still feel like Technics dropped the ball with this one. This was their chance to come back in and just dominate the competition if their price point was more competitive.
I think the objection to the price is based on the durability/features of other TT's people are currently using that they purchased at a lower price point. Most people looking to buy these don't have TT's at home that's falling apart. Most people are buying these simply cause they want something different. A lot of people want them cause of the name and when it comes to features it wouldn't be an upgrade when compared to other brands on the market. The durability case for Technics don't hold the weight it once did. Some people can't justify paying 1k for these when they got another brand at home 2-6+ years old that does the same thing. They paid 200-400 bucks less for it and there's nothing wrong mechanically with the ones they already have.
Yeah, but the phone will come with features and technology from this decade, also phone brands never shitted on the DJ market saying their product was never meant to be used by us, tried the high-end audiophile market then backtracked when that didn't go so well ;) I have two 1200's and a reloop 8000, DJing + productions pays my bills but that doesn't mean I am ok with overpricing TT just because it has a technics logo, nostalgia can only take them so far. We have to remove the platter for reverse and LED options using a dip-switch!? WTF is this 1997? lol
Welcome to 2019.....so many comments & opinions I could write a book or have a big group rap session on these! DJ'd back in 1985 w/ SL1200MK II at $300 each. You were getting around $300/400 for a 4 hour gig, club rates were a lot lower. Sold in 1993 & got 90% of my money back & went CD route...big mistake! Got 'em back soon after. So much has changed in the industry with DJ styles / equipment / technology. Hopefully, your making decent gig money, so this turntable is the cost of doing business. Initial thoughts...…...Agree that $799 would be the sweet spot for cash layout, sorry Made in Malesia is a turn off (My Made in Malesia Tandberg cassette deck died in 1993 ,the Made in Norway one in 1980 is still working), lighter weigh & eliminating the rubber base was a BIG mistake, adding a few updated features like those mentioned below in other postings would have helped. Maybe Technics should have started a new line under the Technics name..........like a Technics SL-2400 & have it mirror a Reloop or incorporate features that newer DJ's want. I feel Technics is more of a pure DJ / Vinyl / Scratch / tool type turntable & is staying away from software & plug in technology. It should have a 3 prong ground with optional ground wire if your DJ application requires it. Back in the 70's & 80's the design philosophy was to build the best you could and don't cut corners & people will buy your gear. It this philosophy still possible today? You cant be everything to everybody. You cant always rest or your prior success either. It seems so many of the comments about the next model of the SL 1200 is that it is so much like the previous SL 1200. It boils down to are you a 1200 user or not? I remember dubbing Rappers Delight from my Technics SL 1300 turntable and home stereo onto a cassette for a party tape for my college party back in 1979. Nobody knew the song at first. Seems like yesterday!!!
Seams like the whole community criticizing them made a difference, not enough of a difference for me though. There was a time that every single Pro or enthusiast DJ either had a Technics or a Vestax, every producer had an MPC, ASR, Sp1200 etc... those brand loyalty days are gone. The ones who still have brand loyalty to Technics already own a pair of Mk2's and these don't look like enough of an upgrade. Good luck Technics, you're gonna need it. Thanks for the vid Terry.
I still have both of my 1210 since the early 90s in black practically brand new as I take care of my stuff. I'm thinking of replacing the RCA cables with gold plated ones and maybe changing the S tonearm to a straight tonearm. Other than that. My babies are intact since day one. If I remember correctly. I bought mine for about $500.00 each.
According to my Pops he brought his first Technics 1200 new for $350 each back in the 80s. With inflation seems like $1000 is about right. 2k for something that’ll seemly last your entire DJ career with minimum repair if any...If only laptops worked that way lol
I got my Technics 1200 (grey) for $400 and Technics 1210 (black) for $450 back in 1995 :) that's only $50 more than your pops spent 10 years earlier, so if we add $50 every decade they should now cost $600-$650. Lol :D $1000 or more for just one turntable seems ridiculous :-O but like you said though, they do last many, many years, decades!
L. D. i wont get in to the rate of inflation verses but it wasn’t as sharp in the 90s. most people now arent able to price their services correctly bc wages haven’t kept with inflation. ultimately affecting us all. but the truth is Technics price is spot on
I bought one Silver SL1200 for $399.00 & that was in 89. Then i ended up buying a pair of Black SL1210 for 390.00 in 92, so i guess $999 is about right.
Denon can’t even move their VL12’s off the shelves for $899. $799-$899 tops for these. $799 more like it though. Sorry but going back into the market with this high price point is going to make them the underdog compared to other companies. I rather buy 2 Reloop RP-7000 mk2’s for the same price as one of these. They do the same exact thing.
Shout outs to Inka One!, he gave me the exact same demo on the unit lol. I loved being around the technics booth.. Scratch, DXT, Jazzy Jay, Q and Yogafrog... Rich Medina, Miles Medina.. Large Professor.. and I'm forgetting couple more line up.. anyways.. good memories.. name 2019.
Kool. Im thinking to get rane 72 mixer or the reloop elite mixer. All to mixer or nice. MK7 looks very nice and they last 4 very long time. I still got my second MK2. They still working with no problem.
Got them for $885 for one before tax, two after tax came out to $1771.19 at Guitar center. I basically preordered them and kept calling in every few days complaining about the wait, they ended up offering me the discount so I wouldn't cancel!
It started with rumours that Technics is bringing back the 1200s. Price range $1499 Then reality set in and it’s here, the price gossiped at $ 1200. Today we hear the $999, which if one thinks it’s a price drop, I think it’s still expensive. $699 to $749.should be an apt bargain. Technics should also consider a $100 rebate when buying a pair.
@@lp6132 7-8% i don’t think they fixed the problem , it’s not a problem for most djs , because if you speed up the track that high people are going to notice on the dance floor plus it sounds whack, I build up the speed as the mix goes through the night .the mk7 can hold the speed better that most of the digital turntable out there , your not going to be riding the pitch fader 🎚 through intro mix of a song ,but yeah they are no match for my mk2s and mk5s Analog pitch faders .
@@Rickky007 i agree with you in regards to speeding up songs too much. The thing is though, i mix old skool hardcore rave from early 90’s and songs can be pitched up and beyond 8 and still sound good based on the music. If i was mixing house or hip hop then id probably never really need to go that high. I think i will get on better with the technic mk7’s
*Almost every OEM TT does the job pretty well with DVS. Playing real vinyl in a club is a different story. So please state this when comparing turntable products.*
Same torque & no ultra pitch makes me sad, plenty of decks have better torque these days & scratching has moved on from ahh & fresh, people use ultra pitch scratch records for complex phrasing, higher torque & ultra pitch are essential for that I wouldn’t bother with these, only nostalgia makes them appealing
Reloop 8000mk2 looks like Fisher Price toys with all the buttons and shit on it. I need a clean turntable look that plays vinyl and I can mix with. If I need extra I will buy a midi module.
My views aren't based upon "Looks" & "If I Need" thoughts, it's on actual features that I utilize and benefit from as a turntablist. I prefer using DJM900 mixers with 1200 decks so when I jump through cues while playing I use Serato needle drop on vinyl or for triggering cues I go directly through the laptop (1-0) during performances. I like using DJM850 and up series of mixers because of reliable on board beat & color effects along with dedicated lines I can access on the fly while live performing. Reloop RP-8000MK2 will cover my needs of accessing cues externally with a single press of a button. Ability to tone play through scales on top of that with ease offers added value for me while manipulating the record freely in motion. Dicer & DDJ-SP1 are great tools & I know there are other midi options out there but all these options require extra setup space and time which is an inconvenience playing between other DJ's. Since this feature is built right into the Decks and Reloop is known for handling bass feedback response better than Technics while on stage, I'm willing to take my chance and do a switch for this new Reloop deck. As for aesthetics the original 1200 series are beautiful and if you're playing like Joe Claussell or Gilles Peterson then your more than covered with the new MK7's. Plus the MK7's would look much nicer in a traditional booth or home installation. Not knocking the MK7's, they just won't serve of any value to me moving forward as in valued functionality since these other brands have stepped up to the plate making high/er quality & reliable turntables as well.
They're still a bit tacky cheapo, I've stripped many Technics decks and they're built like an M5, absolutely no room for anything unless you chop away stuff, I've also internally grounded these decks, power input and tone arm, and had slight issues with the LED's still being lit but the idea of putting both hands, at the same time, on to un-earthed electrical, Mains Power machines in a humid enviroment like a club...nahhhhhh y'allright ... I don't want one if it's free
Cleveland Terry Bowens that’s a very strong statement. I’m looking forward to seeing them in person. I might also parting with my 1210’s from 1989 and upgrading.
i have damn near flawless m3ds i bought of CL 2 yrs ago for $900. I then looked online and purchased two new tone arms, pitch controls, and rca cables for backup. I probably will never sell them because i love the feel of the analog pitches. my audio technica 1240 decks you have to get that pitch totally perfect to mix because it's digital. they drift apart faster i guess. maybe i just don't practice enough on the 1240's but why would i if i just play better on the old technics. i would need to log a few hrs on the new techs to see how i feel about their digital pitch first before i decide. i would sell the 1240's but would probably only get $500 for the pair now because of all the options on the market.
I'm gonna stay with my 26 year old MK2's. Still work and look like they did in '93. I hear the new MK7's are not even made in Japan and are made by a third party that was tooled by Technics.
where is 50% pitch?????????????? How to do those advence vocal phrasing ? with such small pitch range? Just do that and technics will be back but for now ..... I will stay with my Vestax PDX 3000 mkII
Totally, it's a big deal for scratching and even for mixing it's nice to have the option. Most importantly, +/- 50% pitch is the type of "carrot" a lot of DJs need to give up their old 1200s and buy new ones. I can't even fathom how a DJ would look at these decks and complain about the lack of "internal grounding" over the lack of pitch range. Sigh.
@@ClevelandTerry I don't think it's about everyone DJing the way I want them to, its about enticing DJs to give up their old 1200s for new ones and I don't think internal ground is going to do that. I think Technics is missing a big opportunity to recapture a lot of the market they lost to Stanton, Vestax, Numark, and now a ton of other companies by not pushing that pitch range up. You may not follow any of the scratching /juggling /trick mixing and that's fine but the added pitch range has become even more important in the past 15 years.
On the other hand I got my PLX1000s almost brand new for less than half retail. Considering how turntablists worship the Technics brand name and how the previous models stood the test of time perhaps these will hold their value on the second hand market and that will make up for the 300 dollar price difference from the Pioneers. Well see I guess but I wont be getting them as only beat mix and don't really care about how my turntable performs as long as it doesn't drift an ridiculous amount.
Ive got the plx 1000’s too. How are you finding them ? I just mix / no scratch, and find that no matter how accurate you get the pitch to match the beats, after about 30 seconds ( if that ) they start running off tempo and you end up back on the pitch again. Ive heard that the pitch on these mk7’s is actually alot better for mixing but has a dead spot between 7 - 8 % and the isolation is meant to be bad. Although people are now saying that technics have rectified the issues for the new batches that are being released. Whats your views on this ?
What Hi-fi already reviewed these Malaysian made models and noted they do not have the same build as the G models made in Japan. At this point your buying a name.
It’s made differently, it doesn’t mean it’s made poorly. It felt damn good to me but I haven’t thrown them in a crate and transported them for months and years. Time will tell.
Cleveland Terry Bowens A common practice in the high end market is to not produce the low end product then charge a couple of hundred extra for the name placed on it.
@@keithparkhill8546 My point is that they did not have a unit to properly test and a superficial inspection does not tell a complete story and that I will reserve judgement until I see some less superficial reviews. So basically my point was exactly what I wrote.
I honestly think the new technics are a waste of money and Real reason technics We’re gone for 10 years is because they went bankrupt with the bad sales of the technics dz1200
I love controllers as much as the next person, but I can't say that a controller is better for DJing. A controller is more convenient and better for unstable places but using turntables is something spiritual more me.
respect to techs but they're overrated. now they're just doing shit new ttb manufacturers are doing digital pitch sliders and now "fiberglass" bottoms instead of rubber for dampening smh.
