The original origins of the characters are essential to the entire TMNT universe. You wouldn’t have a Batman whose parents are still alive, a Spiderman with an Uncle Ben that was living, or a Superman that wasn’t from Krypton. And you can’t have TMNT with out Splinters connection to the Shredder.
I hate how modern Hollywood has this insatiable urge to "modernize" older franchises by completely changing aspects that are integral to the story, or overhauling it to the point that it is only a shell (pun not intended) of the original. This movie seems to be in the former camp, and while it will be nowhere near as bad as Disney's 'Snow White' or Seth Rogen's last project 'Santa Inc.' it is still a perfect example that Hollywood thrives on nostalgia and lip service about being a "fan" of a franchise, because no matter which iteration of TMNT you grew up with, Splinter's connection to Hamato Yoshi is a constant in TMNT lore.
TMNT has always done this though? The franchise started in 1984 and has been changing ever since. Do you seriously think the franchise would have lasted this long if it hadn’t changed with time?
@chey6073 My issue is not the concept of "change" itself, but the logic of the changes. Series will inevitably change over time. For instance, you only need one glance to see that Optimus Prime in Transformers Prime is quite different from Optimus in Transformers Armada. What gets under my skin is when showrunners make changes to satisfy their ego regardless of if it makes sense or to purposefully drum up controversy. You are completely right that TMNT would have faded into obscurity without change. My point is that the changes here did not feel sensible. For comparison, the Shredder in the 1980s cartoon is a goofball, which is significantly different from how he is in the original comics, but it works because he is still a competent fighter, and his bumbling behaviour matches the tone of the show. When TMNT 2003 decided to change Master Splinter's origins and make him a mutated rat, they kept the ties to the original comics by making him Hamato Yoshi's pet, who learned his moves through mimicry. Donatello, in the 2012 version of the TMNT has an awkward crush on April, but it works because it plays into the trope of "nerdy guy that is awkward around girls" and he is the "nerd" among the four brothers. The Seth Rogen movie made Splinter a mutated rat that taught the turtles how to fight by having them watch RU-vid videos... does that sound like a ninjitsu master to you? Rise of the TMNT practically gave the directors a manual on how to make Splinter have a more light-hearted, 80's feel without tossing his martial arts background to the wind, by making him a Bruce Lee homage that got mutated, with his skills getting a little washed up over the years. April's design in the new movie is so unlike the character that without her yellow jacket, the fact that her prior incarnation was also black (ROTMNT), and them mentioning her name often, she could have easily passed as an original character called "July Washington" which the film for some baffling reason did not do. So why not? Well, because the directors know that "modernizing" a show or franchise, a.k.a "changing things for the sake of getting to say you did it," is controversial and drums up attention on the product. They know that they have the benefit of telling the older fans to "f- off" since it's a work for a newer generation, failing to realize that the word of mouth from older fans is valuable.
Here are my 4 reasons why this movie was disappointing, 1 the origin story was lazy and awful. 2 the turtles called master splinter dad. 3 the word sus is used in the movie. 4 the whole movie was jam packed with pop culture references.
WHY ISNT ANYONE TALKING ABOUT MIKEY! they absolutely destroyed Mikey. Mikey has always been the soul of the boys. The light, fun party dude. Its as if they switched Mikey's personality with Donnie. Why is Donnie cracking more jokes than the actual jokster MIkey? Mikey has the least lines aswell.
Exactly!! Mikey barely made any jokes and Donnie for some reason was a confident jokester, rather than the tech whizz that the Turtles fail to understand. Donnie being into video games and anime feels more like a Mikey thing, especially when Donnie should be into more sophisticated things.
The movie wouldn't be so bad if the origin story wasn't retarded, it would also be better if they didn't shove the entire movie with lame pop culture references.
I too was upset what they did with Splinter. Spot on observation. I'm for modernizing and making things more relevant, but man Seth, Judy like Michael Bay, cared nothing about how to make this an authentic Turtle movie. It was funny at times, and I like the way they made them more like teenagers in the movie, but they really messed the characters, especially Splinter.
Okay, but what if Splinter is an unreliable narrator? In the 2003 and 2012 series he completely omits his connection to the foot. I don't know why he'd omit being Yoshi, or being his pet, but it can still be fixed, IMO. They can also bring in the reincarnation angle in the sequel from the IDW comics. That'd be badass, and it'd explain why they're such proficient fighters despite only having learned from movies.
#1: That is one of the best opening statements I’ve heard in a long time. You captured the pop culture history of TMNT perfectly.👍 #2: You’re one of the only reviewers that actually explained the plot. 👍👍 #3: You come across honest - and backed up your points with examples 👍👍👍 Well done! Keep up the great work - looking forward to more reviews. 🤓
The design aspect was actually a part i really enjoyed about the film. Grotesque animation can be pretty fun to watch, and i think this film pulls it off pretty well
I don't really hate the movie but I get where you're coming from. One thing that you didn't mention which I like to point out is even though the kids voice acting the turtles is great, the turtles are...bland. They all feel the same and it just seems like they don't have their own personalities. Donnie didn't do anything nerdy except make an AOT reference in the end, Mikey was just...there and wasn't really that goofy or clumsy, he was mainly chill actually, Leo barely acted like a leader, all he did was give a speech in the end and that's it, and Raph had this cool urge of rage to fight but that was only in one fighting scene and we didn't see much of it. Turtles barely had almost to no character development and when they supposedly did, it didn't feel like they developed at all or anything.
In their defense They’re teenager in high school Probably 14 to 16 And it looks like they want to keep the monies coming Their characters could eventually bloom in the next movie
@@nwokedidaniel7553 yeah but I don't think that doesn't mean they shouldn't have different personalities. I mean look at ROTTMNT, they did it very well with balancing the teenage part of them and their specific roles.
@@nwokedidaniel7553 The tmnt are not supposed to be in high school anyway. they shouldn't even have iPhones. They are mutant turtles trained to be ninjas they not supposed to be like average human teenagers
I agree it's not our cup of tea. Leo should be more level headed leader who is the most mature out of his brothers but that don't mean he can't have silly moments, raph should be in more rage, sarcastic, and all action, and he can have silly moments too. To start I don't like Donatello's voice he sounds like a little kid idk it just doesn't fit.Don is also level head and more logical of the group. The glasses were unneccesary I'm tired of that trope where glasses= nerd. he was nerd without them. Mike wasn't any different. When it comes to references I would expect it from mike but not too repetitive he supposed to be the most lighthearted one of the group but that doesn't make him silly or stupid. He's the most talented out of all his bros
I gave it a chance, but none of the characters grabbed my attention to go back and see the next movie. I felt the movie was rushed, and the story sucked.
I don't know man, this just seems a bit out of touch. I think there's so many versions of the turtles already and this one is just another take for a new generation. You only really talked about how upset you were about how they changed the origin story of the turtles, but as someone who grew up watching TMNT 2003, I actually connected with this movie more. At the end of the day it's about the characters journey and to me they felt like the turtles. I enjoyed the new take on their origin story, and I'm excited to see how they will go about changing things in the future, especially with the ending of the movie putting us in territory we've never seen before! Also Trent Reznor killed it with the soundtrack.
Came to RU-vid for a like opinion. So disappointed with how trivial they made the backstory. The new direction has not treated the original material with love, cashing in on a generation of dad's that will take their sons to watch what looks like an awesome movie from the trailer.
The movie was good for what it was. I prefer a more tradition Ninja Turtle story though but I was fairly open to its creative differences. One big disappointment to me was Splinter especially since he was voiced by the legendary Jackie Chan, I felt like it was a huge miss opportunity to get him done right and cool.
I don't understand why this movie was made when they already had the rise of the teenage mutant. Ninja turtles could have just taken that movie to the next level
As soon as I saw the box office cancer that is Seth Rogan was directing I gave up on it. Just a mindless cash grab is all this franchise is at this point.
Seems to be this weird thing going on where people on the internet seem to want to convice people who like things not to. I saw this with last of us where you had people who loved that series. Then you had this group who did not like what they did with it and the change's they made who seemed to be on a mission to get them to hate it for some reason.
Where in the video did I say anyone should not like the movie? I said didn’t. But I’ve never said, and will never tell anyone how they should feel about anything.
The movie was funny and made for a new generation. I took my kid to prescreening and everyone was laughing and cheering in the theatre. Plus they handed out posters and a cinema comic . I get that you loved the original version but you have to let the new school have their shot at it and put their spin on it, if not we’re just gonna get the same thing an it fizzles out.
@@ALocalClown While it is more of a social politics thing, some people found April's race-swapped design to be a disingenuous manner of adding "diversity", as it would have been better for the re-design to be an original character
@@taoloveunot necessarily because in the Mirage Comics shredded with a simp, 87 tv show shredder was a man child, 2003 cartoon literally made their origin story non-existent because Shredder did he even care about Hamato Yoshi. He just wanted to know where the krang where, but he stood in the way of that which made Splinter and the turtles enemies of the Shredder and even in the show when Splinter meet up with the shredder he doesn't even care about him only cares about fighting the crying because Shredder is a krang that's a huge change, 2012 brings the original rivalry back but then it changes the origin again where Shredder and Hamato Yoshi are brothers, the Michael Bay movies they changed everything about the trolls origin, something thing with rise of the tmnt
The art styl they were going for was the look of doodles someone drew in a notebook when they were bored in class. To fit in more with the Teenage aspect of the film.
Haven't watched the movie yet, but knowing how over exaggerating this gen is when a movie comes out I can't trust reviews. I appreciate you for being honest than to pretend to like the movie.
If adults like the movie then kids are going to like the movie. Think of your favorite movie as a child and you will see adults thought those were good movies too. Home Alone, ET and Batman are just a couple examples that we loved as kids and adults liked also. So we do know if kids will like it... they won't.
Nostalgia is clouding your mind My siblings watched this and all of a sudden have become obsessed with the turtles I’m 20 so maybe I don’t have as much history with Tmnt but I do love a refresh of something and kids will grow up with this Movie
L take my guy, traditions are cool and all but if you want that version of the turtles just go back and watch it. I don’t see why people want the same shit made over and over lol
I don’t understand that theory of seeing the same shit over again in just a different animation,the movie was dope a lot of people mainly hated because April is black smh,it made sense to me
I mean, stuff like Shin Godzilla, Shin Ultraman, and Shin Kamen Rider change somethings while also keeping it very traditional. All three of those films were well respected by their individual franchises whilst exposing new fans to the source material.
When we walked out of that theater and my friends said they loved the movie I laughed until we got to the car. To this day, I still believe they’re trolling me.
Well here's the honest truth here in the UK. When the first two movies dropped in the 90s the cinema's were packed for weeks. It's a week later, my son and I finally went to go watch it, on our own. No one else in the cinema. And there was so little action in the movie. After 30mins my son started using the empty cinema as a jungle gym. Unfortunately it sucks. Only saving grace is the toys, just watch the old shows with your son then buy him the new toys which is the only improvement on the old 😢
I appreciate your honesty about the empty cinema! The new toys are affordable versus the NECA overpriced collector figures. Seth Rogen is as dumb as Kevin Smith. They both ruined evergreen franchises: TMNT & He-man.🙄
I think they went too far w Splinter… I went to watch the movie w my 7 year old… it was kind of disgusting! If they are going to introduce an LGBT character they could think about some other characters not the turtles and that includes Splinter… my opinion!
Well said my friend the turtle to be honest only fought twice in the film didn’t even use there weapons 🤦🏻♂️ why these day no one can follow the source material🙄
Really bad writing. Animation was interesting, not as good as Spider Man stuff. Will definitely not rewatch. The April character was weird, puking all the time. And the "Milking" joke was not funny the first time and was made like 10x after.
I went in completely blind, only to take my nephew, had no expectations and was completely in love with the film 😍. Everything you point out as a negative, the grotesque features of the humans and the mutants, the straight forwards villain plot, the focus on the teenager vs single dad relationship between the turtles and Splinter, the clean hiphop soundtrack, everything! There was even moments that had me in tears! Great film. Would very much rate it to younger and adult audiences.
haven't watched, however now knowing that change in the origin story with how they learned ninjitsu is a major deal breaker for me to solo it. I'll take the nephew tho, his favorites are the 90's live action and the TMNT film in 2007
Alright, about 2:21, that was the point, it wasn't set to look like a comic book like Spiderverse, but more like a doodle in a notebook. Not perfect at all.
I think there is a connection to the Shredder visa vie the post credit scene. If Utrom wants Shredder and the foot to go after Splinter, then there must be missing pieces to the narrative that wasn't revealed to us yet. I don't think they would ask Shredder specifically to go after Splinter and the turtles unless there was some sorta personal history there. All in all I enjoyed the movie thoroughly.
Personally I enjoyed the movie. Mainly the fact that they had actual teenagers voicing the characters. I really think the biggest downfalls of this movie were April and the weird backstory of splinter. I thought it would have been very cool to see Jackie Chan playing splinter knowing his backstory but this very normal rat was kind of lame. I understand the wokeness but the April/Leo thing was just weird. I didn’t mind the minimal usage of weapons as Seth Rogan clearly talked about focusing more on the fact that they are teenagers. I truly think if they kept some of the original origin story it would have been much better. It was a refreshing that Leo wasn’t the already wise and infamous leader and Mikey wasn’t a stereotypical surfer (mainly because that’s outdated). Donatello was cool again with a more modern take on nerd, however it would’ve been cool to show more intelligence while still keeping that teenager vibe. Raph could’ve been seen as eh or cool. Personally I saw it as him before becoming the more dark angry vigilante style character(since this is like a first outing origin) however could be seen as them trying to just change him from being angry. I really think if they didn’t change that cheesy splinter backstory and gave april more of an original look it would’ve been a lot better (meanin she was always generally an attractive character). I’m not sure if you’d agree but if those parts were changed it could’ve been one of the better iterations
Seth woken took it way up the assignment by Red Cloak and the mission to destroy the once great Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles sadly was accomplished. Maybe next year someone with intelligence will finally use the Idw comic story lines.
While I disagree with your opinion I will respect it for you not trying to convince others who enjoy it to not be on board with the movie. Not every continuity can be enjoyed by all the fans.
Thanks for watching the video. One of my goals is to separate myself for typical movie channels by letting everyone know that my opinions are just opinions. I don’t begrudge anyone for likening something I don’t. I hope you will revisit the channel.
Could not have disagreed with you more on this. Thought this movie was phenomenal. They were legit ninjas just look at the first scene with them in it again. The whole Splinter origin story was hilarious. The personalities of the turtles were definitely there but im thinking theyll all be brought out to the forefront during the next one. Leo was definitely the leader. Donnie was the only one trusted with a phone he was able to drive so well. Mikey's connection to surfer dude mondo not to mention the whole def being the most skilled fighting wise him doing the most damage during the fight scene trying to get April's scooter back.
I know it’s your opinion but that’s a pretty bad take on this movie. You mentioned that the turtle were trained to kill like in the comics but no other tmnt movie or show has mentioned that, so it’s like just re-read the comics. There’s nothing wrong with switching things up especially if it works, but it may just be nostalgia for you my guy
As a ninja turtles fan who liked this movie but didn't love it, I can definitely see some parts in Mutant Mayhem that won't work for most fans. So I respect your opinion.
Why do people like Mutant Mayhem (and the 2020s, for that matter) so much and are excited by the upcoming MM sequel and Tales of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles anyways?! My best guess is that it’s all for the wrong reasons, like they would defend anything by the same company that gave us Dan Schneider, wouldn’t stop owning Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (though Rise of the TMNT does slap), made Ariana Grande big despite her adultery towards her ex-husband (while Jennette is the more unpopular one despite being less problematic and more realistic, yet people choose her crazy-in-a-vile-way character from iCarly/Sam & Cat). Honestly, they should have the same standards) and defiled Stephen Hillenburg’s grave for money (meme aside, that means whether or not they killed him; they probably didn’t, but still, they would disrespect his death by making SpongeBob more and more popular when it really should’ve ended with the first movie in late 2004). It’s like the don’t want to see April O’Neill in her 1990s design even though it’s not too offensive and actually the most attractive she’s ever been even after all these years, I mean, if they think her design in the original TMNT show is whitewashing, then I guess Megan Fox (from Bayformers 1 & 2 as Mikaela Banes) as April O’Neill would be too and these mid-2010s TMNT movies she was in (mainly the original) are exactly how you make TMNT disappointing and Mutant Mayhem/Nickelodeon/Seth Rogen/Dan Schneider shills just don’t see it.
Okay, I haven't watched the movie, but what do you mean there's no shredder and splinter learned through RU-vid? Especially since that's Jackie chan, that's a waste, what the fuck?
If I’m being honest, I personally feel as if this review doesn’t do the movie justice. This is very much targeted towards groups of teens. Not even with that point, the visuals in this movie were highly experimental and stylized to look like doodles or comics. And, it’s refreshing that Shredder isn’t here in my opinion. When was he not the big bad of the series? Also, the new direction for the plot in my opinion is kind of good. I feel like it was done well, especially for a PG movie. I feel like mainly kids are supposed to enjoy this film, as it’s not half serious. But, I don’t see why an adult would have much of a reason to trash on it. I respect your opinion, I just personally wanted to voice mine on account of how well I thought it was.
They could do the reincarnation route that IDW did. Splinter wasn’t a pet rat of Hamato Yoshi, but a lab rat. Reincarnation could explain how they were able to pick up ninjitsu very easily from watching old movies and stuff. Seeing Shredder in the sequel could unlock those lost memories from their past lives.
And here I thought having the same opinion of how much that made TMNT work as a whole, then be shocked all that is pretty much erased for this movie. Sad thing if kids have no idea who TMNT is they will think this is the true story of them. Real Smooth Seth Rogen. I really searched the internet as way to watch it out of curiosity. Couldn't even finish watching it. I watched just enough of it to say. Why did Seth Rogen say he is fan? A fan don't do this. A fan makes it better. I watch a lot of fan made stuff. This is a joke on screen for this movie. Personally this isn't for hardcore fans in my humble opinion. If you enjoyed cool 😎. But I was deeply disappointed.
@@bowserbreaker2515 The RU-vidr napoleon blownapart did a series of videos covering fake martial artists That is basically what splinter taught the turtles in mutant Mayhem and it almost got them killed If shredder is going to be used in the sequel then I'm sorry to say these turtles are done for due to their lack of true martial arts and ninjutsu abilities.
@@bowserbreaker2515 They're going to have to heavily Nerf the shredder in the sequel, which is going to make a lot of fans angry /upset and would basically downplay the threat that the shredder is supposed to represent to the turtles and splinter What's even worse is if you watch the post-credits scene they seem to be making him into a mercenary (similar to bane, Kraven the hunter and Deathstroke) and what's even worse they spoil the identity of this version of the shredder in the opening scene of mutant Mayhem by making him the guard that got his I scratched out by super fly The TGRI mercenary who was hired to capture Baxter stockman and his mutegen So they're basically going to be race swapping shredder and making him a former goon of TGRI.
April O Neal is black now? Damn the ever changing of characters from their original form or race which is unnecessary. Just make a new character if you want to do that.
It sounds like he wanted the original turtles story. It wasnt that. It was really good tho. It looked amazing, the voice acting was awesome. The sound track was amazing. The theater crowd I was in gave a huge applause at the end.
First hand knowledge?!?😂 you wanted a flashback of splitter learned how to fight from his human master ?!? Like why would he be teaching a rat kungfu LOL
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Just came back from watching it, really disappointing. Love the animation, but yeah, the story is all over the place with its tone. Like two different writers working on it. One, you got some really cool fight scenes with few comic book moments but then "drunken stoner" needed to change the origin completely and make gross jokes on supporting characters and bad dialogues for villains. Should've just made Baxter Stockman into a fly so the tragedy is real. Superfly is an annoying forgettable villain. The turtles' designs were great but didn't like that they wanted to go to school, very lame in the end. April O'Neil, why not make her fit at least. Should've went for a tomboy type of reporter, similar to how current Lois Lane looks otherwise that's not April O'Neil at all. Also why make her vomit? Really pushing the grossness on her here. It really becomes a mean-spirited type of movie not a fun dark one like the 1990s. Don't get me started with Splinter now french kissing another mutant...
Great commentary. This movie was the first TMNT film to not open at Number One. Barbie has held on to the top spot for three weeks. I think most moviegoers are brain-dead if they pay to see garbage like Mutant Mayhem & Feminist Barbie! Currently, Japan has an important animated film. Hayao Miyazaki's final movie; unfortunately, we have to wait until the end of 2023 to see it in America.
This is for folks that has zero knowledge of tmnt, As a family movie it works tho. i grew up with the 2003 turtles that paid mad respect to the origins and og comic of the team, grew to respect the 87 cartoon and the life action movie is still the best but i love the rest of incarnations that followed. This movie is clearly made for gen z kids not thats a bad thing but to me the modern slang and constant obnoxious pop culture jokes just didn't sit right with me. every version the team makes pop culture references but in this movie it was overdone and intrusive when watching it. To me its not thats what tmnt is about just missed the mark but wasnt a bad movie just completely different take on the tmnt that i found slightly disrespectful to long time fans of the more mature takes on the team.
Ok, so I feel like you only pointed out the film’s flaws (which feel more subjective than objective) and didn’t really point out its strengths (besides the voice acting). Like I’m fine if you don’t like this movie, but calling it garbage makes it sound like “this movie sucks and that’s a fact.” And if you’re gonna be like that, which I’m saying you are or aren’t, you gotta at least be fair. Also, you cut out a lot of the interview with Seth Rogen. He said he was a huge TMNT fan as a kid, and that he never really saw the TEENAGE ascent of the turtles emphasizes. A lot of the creative decisions made were made so that the turtles and splinter can feel more like a real family that happened to be mutants. Splinter being a normal street rat is supposed to paint Splinter as an average stay at home dad, rather than someone who’s from the Hamato clan and must continue his ninja legacy among his turtle sons. If anything I like this version of Splinter more than the Mirage Splinter because it feels like he actually loves his sons. I think Seth Rogen was trying to be more innovative rather than being unfaithful to the source material. Like, as a huge TMNT fan myself I’m working on my own TMMT comic and yeah I’m making some changes. I don’t want to make a carbon copy of the 2003 series, I want to do my own thing. Yes, there needs to be some level of respect to the source material. Michael Bay originally wanted the TMNT to be alien turtles from outer space who came to earth. That isn’t innovation. That sucks. I think Seth Rogen did a great job balancing respect for the source material with innovating the TMNT franchise. And besides, almost every version of the TMNT has changed up the original lore in some way. The 80s cartoon made Splinter Hamato Yoshi, the 2003 cartoon made Shredder and Krang the same dude, 2012 made Krang a species rather than a individual Utrom, and Rise was bay crap insane but still kept the sole themes and aspects that made the TMNT, well, the TMNT. Just as long as they focus on the themes of brotherly love, found family, and heroes coming from the most unlikely of places, etc then you got yourself a certified TMNT classic. Another thing is that there’s no giant laser in the sky thing. That was deliberate misinformation. And Superfly isn’t THAT generic. He try to give humans a second chance after murdering Stockman, but they still tried to kill him even the second time. He sees humans as irredeemable and wants the mutants to become the dominate species, not humans. He doesn’t want to kill them, he wants to be over them. If anything he’s a more extreme version of Splinter, a foil of him, which I think is very interesting. Plus the Turtles and April’s character development is very well made. They do an amazing job at exploring the theme of acceptance, which is what Out of the Shadows tried to do but failed miserably. Although I feel like this version is obviously targeted towards a Gen Z audience, I know a lot of older people who still loved this film. I do wish Nickelodeons would try to make a balance of TMNT content targeted towards older fans with TMNT content targeted towards younger, newer fans. I understand why you don’t like it, and I’m not saying you should like it, I just wish you could’ve given it more of a chance. I know you’re probably ain’t reading allat 💀 but I felt like I needed to turn my rant faucet.
I’m sorry you typed all that because I’m not going to read it. But I never said my opinion was objective fact. But if you liked the movie that’s great. Maybe you would like to watch some more of my videos and see if there is something we agree on. Thanks for watching.
@reviewbomb85 Watching the video I felt like you were trying to say the movie was objectively bad, but that might just be me. Thanks for being respectful, tho
@@reviewbomb85 yes sorry I wasn’t clear, in my opinion the animation makes a big big difference and only for that the movie can be considered really good. I see your point about the other stuff btw
